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Kanye West Doesn't Want to Bring Back Slavery. He's Trying to Abolish It for Good. The 13th Amendment outlaws slavery, but not for prison inmates.

  

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Via:  badfish-hd-h-u  •  8 years ago  •  49 comments

Kanye West Doesn't Want to Bring Back Slavery. He's Trying to Abolish It for Good. The 13th Amendment outlaws slavery, but not for prison inmates.

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Kanye West, the Trump- and Kaepernick-loving rapper, seems to take pleasure in  bridging partisan divides  in the most controversial ways possible. Yesterday he put on a red MAGA hat and  Tweeted  this:

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Cue the outrage. This time around, West's critics include   Captain America   star   Chris Evans ,   Arrested Development   actor   David Cross , and   Matter of Fact   anchor   Soledad O'Brien . The general sentiment seems to be: Why abolish the amendment that abolished slavery? "Is there making sense of Kanye West's Maddening Slavery Tweet?"   blares Esquire 's headline. Others, such as singer   Lana Del Rey , just couldn't get past the rapper's support for Trump.

But it shouldn't have been hard to discern West's meaning, even if he expressed it in a confusing way. As he later   clarified , he doesn't want to kill the whole 13th Amendment—just the passage that still allows involuntary servitude "as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted."

Without that change, he   writes , the amendment allows "slavery in disguise."

In the years after the Civil War, many black convicts were forced to participate in " convict leasing " programs, where their unpaid labor benefitted private companies. Such programs no longer exist, but as   Reason 's C.J. Ciaramella   noted   in August, many states still force inmates of all races to work for nothing or close to it. The Marshall Project   reports   that "the average pay for a prisoner working a job in a state prison facility is 20 cents an hour." In Texas, Georgia, and Arkansas, inmates aren't paid at all for their labor.

When inmates in more than a dozen states went on strike in August, their demands included "an immediate end to prison slavery." Contrary to popular opinion, "the 13th Amendment didn't abolish slavery," Amani Sawari, a spokesperson for the strikes,   told   Vox   at the time. "It wrote slavery into the Constitution."

Kanye West isn't the first rapper to address this. Killer Mike   covered the issue   in his 2012 song "Reagan":


'Cause free labor is the cornerstone of U.S. economics
'Cause slavery was abolished, unless you are in prison
You think I am bullshitting, then read the 13th Amendment
Involuntary servitude and slavery it prohibits
That's why they giving drug offenders time in double digits.



And in 2016, the Oscar-nominated documentary   13th   explored   how inmates are punished with forced labor. That said,   1 3th   director Ava DuVernay   doesn't seem to be a big fan   of West's views on the subject.

It's possible West's red hat served as a red cape that distracted people from what he was saying. The timing also didn't help, as the post came the day after West   defended   Trump on the   Saturday Night Live   stage.

If nothing else, West does us a service by reminding us that a person's views do not have to be—and, outside the professional political world, often aren't—a perfect fit with any political party's. It may seem odd on the cable news channels to support Donald Trump and criminal justice reform at the same time, but the world is larger than the cable news channels.



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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2  JohnRussell    8 years ago

It is not surprising that someone from a libertarian blog would like to see Kanye West And Trump join forces. 

Does Kanye cheat on his taxes too? Was that the attraction? 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Silent
3  Dean Moriarty    8 years ago

A prison stay isn’t free. If a murderer is getting free meals a roof over his head and healthcare in prison and he doesn’t have the money in his bank account he should be forced to pay it off with labor. Let’s not stick the taxpayer with his bill. Bring back the chain gangs. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    8 years ago

I have no problems with inmates cleaning the prison, working on farms, even doing highway clean-up, but what I think Mr West is referring to here are inmates forced to do "industrial" work and not getting paid for it. These for-profit prisons have industries such as cabinet making* for example. The inmates do the work but are not getting paid for it. The taxpayers are still stuck with the upkeep of the prison even tho the prison CEO is raking in the profits of the industries the prison forces the inmates to work in.

My work desk was made at a prison. Fine craftsmanship, too

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.2.1    8 years ago

Sweatshops...much better word.

A small town here in Arkansas has decided they aren't going to prosecute people in possession of less than 15 grams (?) of marijuana. Just a ticket. That's all. But they'll still take your pot

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.2.1    8 years ago

These for-profit prisons are against making cannabis legal because then they will lose their work force. I think them and Big Pharma are in cahoots. Somebody should do some investigating

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.2.4    8 years ago

Since all of my congress critters are republicans I'm voting straight democratic ticket on November 6

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.2.6  CB  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.2.1    8 years ago

Hi Badfish!

I have mixed views on this topic:

  1. What Kanye said was poorly articulated and that is on him for "messing" it up.
  2. That "unease" you and others sense rises from a singular knowledge that touching the 13th Amendment (in the age of Trump) can be a cause for alarm to even well-meaning people.
  3. Prison so-called "workfare," reminds me of this controversy with amateur athletes who likewise are legitimately negotiating for better terms and conditions. Some question before us are these:
    1. Are prisons properly businesses?
    2. What does a prison entrepreneurial  activity really mean?
    3. Ought the workers have limited rights?
    4. What should we do when "workers" grumble?
 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.2.7    8 years ago

Well, until you come up with a better alternative, then that's that. LOL

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @3.2.6    8 years ago
Prison so-called "workfare," reminds me of this controversy with amateur athletes who likewise are legitimately negotiating for better terms and conditions.

Amateur athletes also have day jobs. Prison inmates have day jobs, night jobs, weekend jobs, etc

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.2.11  Split Personality  replied to  CB @3.2.6    8 years ago

or, one can ask, what is rehabilitation?

or are the incarcerated expected to sit in their cells and do nothing for years at a time.

If we gave them minimum wage while they learned to build fine furniture, or weld or farm,

would that satisfy the 'complaint'?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.2.10    8 years ago

exactly

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.11    8 years ago

How much money is the prison making off of the sweat shop goodies that inmates produce?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.2.14  CB  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.2.7    8 years ago

The solution is to locate and elect a better crop of politicians. The question:

  1. When are we,  voters nation-wide, going to define and vote holistically for a 'greater good'? Our federal government is what it is because of citizens voting their political neurosis and well-states of mind. I, for one, am exhausted from all the political warfare raging on in our country.
 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.2.15  CB  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.9    8 years ago

Yes. This is what is confusing! Moreover, this can be cleared up by a determination of what the 13th amendment meant by leaving prisoners in a "state of slavery." Original intent would go a long way here.

For example: Did the founders have a "private" prison system in mind, with all its 'concerns' and issues, for how such a system could perpetually maintain its 'workforce'?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.2.16  CB  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.11    8 years ago

Yes.

Moreover:

  1. How can we get "rehabilitation" without excessive exploitation. (Agency oversight?)
  2. Is prison workfare to be understood as 'voluntary' or forced labor in this day and age?
  3. Can a prison so-called 'work force' be justifiably "upwardly motivated"?
  4. Can such a work force be allowed to compete against over businesses?

Complex questions. When we think about making changes we have to "take-in" all the moving parts! Looking forward beyond the horizon.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
3.2.17  Split Personality  replied to  CB @3.2.16    8 years ago

Interesting article here.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.2.18  CB  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.17    8 years ago

Thank you for the link. Let me focus on several items from the link:

  1. While incarcerated, the working inmate offsets their cost of incarceration. They earn a small wage while creating a product that can be purchased at substantial savings by businesses and organizations. (RHETORICAL: How much income and of what type is a "small wage"? Is it appropriate to argue that a prisoner is performing slavery if the values of wages is too low?)
  2. Outside private companies can submit to all the necessary requirements and then be exempt from federal restrictions on prisoner-made goods. This is beneficial to the company as well as the inmates employed by the company. According to the Department of Corrections, “The program places inmates in realistic work environments, pays them prevailing wages, and gives them a chance to develop marketable skills that will increase their potential for rehabilitation and meaningful employment on release.” (RHETORICAL: "Prevailing wages" Compared to traditional prison wages? This is a "pro," what are "cons"?)

Thanks SP!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
3.2.21  CB  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.2.20    8 years ago

Oh my, did you. . . go there ? Come here, BF!    96

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Tacos!
Professor Guide
4  Tacos!    8 years ago

People would rather be righteously angry than just ask the man (or think rationally about) what he meant.

I would hope it bothers people that so many people became willfully retarded and assumed Kanye wanted to bring back slavery.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
4.1  CB  replied to  Tacos! @4    8 years ago

I'll take a bite, even it it bites me back:

I am wondering outloud if Kanye would be so loose with his phrasing had he been writing about Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967) - the landmark civil rights decision of the United States Supreme Court, which allows interracial marriages. There is no excuse for not being clear!

And, the question is this: Does "Mrs. and Mrs. Social Media" understand this transmission stream they 'break' on a regular basis or not?!

 
 

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