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Senators Collins And Manchin Are Either Dumb As Rocks Or Lying Sacks Of Sh*t

  

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By:  johnrussell  •  8 years ago  •  75 comments

Senators Collins And Manchin Are Either Dumb As Rocks Or Lying Sacks Of Sh*t

I will keep this short.

Susan Collins and Joe Manchin both announced within the last half hour that they will vote YES for Kavanaugh. They have a right to do that, of course. 

However, both of them also said that they believed Christine Ford. 

You CAN'T say you believe Ford and then vote for Kavanaugh. Can't do it. 

I wrote an article a few days ago saying that the Republicans were going to vote Kavanaugh through  KNOWING that there was a substantial chance that he sexually assaulted Christine Ford. 

True, Ford couldn't "prove" it. But she made a 100% identification. And she knew who Kavanaugh was at the time of the assault. 

You CAN'T say "I believe Ford" was assaulted, but I don't believe it was Kavanaugh. You can't do that and be an honest person. Collins and Manchin would be better off saying "I don't believe her". At least that would be a defendable position. 

As it is now, they just look like they voted against their own consciences. 


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    8 years ago

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Tacos!
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1.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @1    8 years ago

Sorry, but victims and witnesses are frequently 100% sure of something and dead wrong at the same time. Add in alcohol and the passage of decades. Absent corroboration, you can't know the details of what actually happened - even it happened to you.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @1.2    8 years ago

If Ford had said "I'm not sure. I think it was Brett Kavanaugh but I'm not sure."  that would have been one thing, and that would justify what Collins said today. But that is not what happened. 

What happened was a Republican senator saying that she believed the part of the victims story that didn't matter, and didnt believe the part that would have kept a conservative off the Supreme Court. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1    8 years ago

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JohnRussell
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1.3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.3    8 years ago
As to post #1, I guess that is me. 

If you say so. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.3.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.3    8 years ago

My apologies to any I offended....

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2  Hal A. Lujah    8 years ago

Maybe they also think that women belong in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.  I suspect that this will haunt their future in politics.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    8 years ago

You know, this was an example of the worst in American politics. 

Say you don't believe her. Don't say I believe she was assaulted but it wasn't him.

How the fuck do they know it wasn't him? Because he is a "good guy"? Because he is a judge? 

These people are total cowards. I would respect them a hair if they said "she wasn't believable". 

They said "she is believable", but not when it comes to Judge Kavanaugh. Why? She knew him at the time and said with 100% certainty that he was the one. 

Is there "evidence" it was someone else? Of course not. In other words there is actually ZERO evidence that she was sexually assaulted at that time but "someone else" did it. ZERO. 

And yet that is the rationale two U.S. senators just gave the country. 

The Democrats and those who abhor Trump and the current GOP need to take to the streets and rouse everyone for the Nov election. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    8 years ago
Don't say I believe she was assaulted but it wasn't him

DO you believe a woman has never falsely identified an attacker? Do you believe their memories are infallible? Do you believe women aren't humans? .

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    8 years ago

Then she has to say "I don't think I believe her". She said I believe her but Kavanaugh didnt do it.  That is an absurdity given the testimony. 

Collins wants to keep the womens groups off her back and that is why she came up with that tortured reasoning. Hopefully it wont work for her. 

 
 
 
tomwcraig
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2.1.4  tomwcraig  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    8 years ago

Or even made up a story about a gang rape and a story was published about it in Rolling Stone, while sounding credible?  Ever hear of "A Rape on Campus"?  A young woman named "Jackie" was supposedly gang raped on the campus of the University of Virginia around 2012, Rolling Stone published the story in 2014.  It nearly destroyed the career of the Dean of Students and in fact that person's named was printed 17 times in the story along with a doctored photograph showing her being evil while protesters were in the background.  It turned out the entire story was falsified by "Jackie" and the reporter that wrote the article did not do due diligence and failed to interview any of "Jackie's" three friends whom would have told her a different story than what was printed.  "Jackie" even went so far as to pretend to be the guy that she said she was on a date with the night of and masterminded the attack.  All of that was done in order to try to get one of the two guy friends interested in her.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    8 years ago

Collins speech was a tour de force. Her calm analysis relying on facts logic and reason shone a light on the lies of a fear mongering  mob. I credit her courage to stand up for due process and the truth. 

She'd make a great President. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    8 years ago

Sean is Collins dumb as a rock or a sack of shit ? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    8 years ago

She's honest and not afraid of an unhinged  mob.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    8 years ago

She is absolutely not honest.  If she was honest she would have said I believe Ford but I am voting for Kavanaugh anyway because I support a conservative majority. 

IF you believe Ford was truthful then you have to believe Kavanaugh did it. 

Why would she present a mistaken identity? 

If Kavanaugh and Judge were two different people than they turned out to be in high school, maybe you could say "it couldnt have been him , because he was a good boy. He didnt drink, he didnt have questionable attitudes about girls, etc."  But you can't say that about Kavanaugh and Judge. Can't.  To the extent that their behavior and attitudes in high school were investigated, they made it seem more likely that it could have happened as Ford said, not less. 

Collins and Manchin are dumb as rocks or lying sacks of [shit , deleted]

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    8 years ago

If she told a friend or wrote something in her diary in 1982, it would be harder to discount her testimony. But she didn't..

 Alot happens to your memories over 35 years, especially in therapy. False memories arise. Maybe she saw Kavanaugh on tv and decided he was one of the four people who she claimed attacked her in 2012. Who knows what happened? . As Dr. Loftus said over time  ""The original memory is fading, you're reconstructing the event with new information available to you, or new sources of suggestion. You imagine something, and it feels like a memory." 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.4  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.3    8 years ago

So maybe it was Judge and , uh, PJ that did it and not Kavanaugh and Judge. 

LOL. How convenient. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    8 years ago
She's honest and not afraid of an unhinged  mob.

She is voting to keep her job, not for kavanaugh. She ran as a pro-choice republican. By voting for kavanaugh, she is admitting she lied to get votes. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5  Raven Wing     8 years ago

Just more "Party First" and screw America GOP voters. Whether or not the man actually assaulted the woman as claimed, his temperament and totally uncalled for aggressive and party loyalty first behavior during the entire hearing proved he is not capable of being impartial and objective as he should be as a Supreme Court judge. 

My opinion.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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5.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Raven Wing @5    8 years ago
My opinion.

Oh, no.  It's a fact.  That "performance" alone last Thursday was absolute proof of his unfitness if he'd never had a single misstep in his life. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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5.2.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.2    8 years ago
Oh, no.  It's a fact. 

Oh, no. It's a fact that Kavanaugh will be your next Justice. 

Say it a few times out loud it has a nice ring to it.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.2.2  Ender  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.2    8 years ago

His nasty attitude and running to fox news shows all the bias I needed to see.

 
 
 
Ender
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6  Ender    8 years ago

I just listened to her long winded, convoluted, hypocritical speech.

Basically all she said was that she believed Ford but she believed Kavanaugh more. Uh huh, whatever. Sounded like she was just putting out justification while trying to sound sympathetic. Didn't work.

Saying that he would bring balance to the court and restore faith in it? That is laughable. These senators really are out of touch. He will forever be tarnished by this. He has already shown bias in his words and actions.

Manchin will probably be out so he doesn't care. Collins time is up, she needs to retire. She never does anything but talk out of both sides of her mouth.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.1  Skrekk  replied to  Ender @6    8 years ago

This guarantees a boatload of investigations as soon as the new Congress begins, including who ordered a sham investigation and why.    Hopefully it results in an impeachment and a conviction of Kavanaugh, but if it doesn't then both he and SCOTUS will be tainted as long as he's on the court.

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1.1  Ender  replied to  Skrekk @6.1    8 years ago

Yep. For those that say other wise, they are lying to themselves.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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6.1.3  Dean Moriarty  replied to    8 years ago

Yes now that Trump was seen with possible toilet paper stuck to his shoe that is what will occupy their minds for a couple of news cycles. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Skrekk @6.1    8 years ago

If the democrats win in the mid-terms, expect a SCOTUS case to repeal Roe vs Wade to suddenly appear before gangbang Kavanaugh can be impeached.

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1.5  Ender  replied to  devangelical @6.1.4    8 years ago

Mississippi already has an abortion ban bill waiting and ready to be implemented as soon as the SC has a conservative majority.

I expect to see it some time next year.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.1.6  Skrekk  replied to    8 years ago
Nowhere near enough to impeach him of anything.

Impeachment just takes a simple majority in the House.   The Dems will easily have that and there's already enough evidence to prove that Justice Rapist lied during his confirmation hearing.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
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6.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Ender @6    8 years ago

She's said to have her eye on running for gov. of ME in 2020.  She can toss that idea into the garbage can along with any semblance of a "distinguished" Senate career. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @6.2    8 years ago

she'll retire

 
 
 
It Is ME
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7  It Is ME    8 years ago

Senators Collins And Manchin Are Either Dumb As Rocks Or Lying Sacks Of Sh*t

Senator Collins laid out her argument for Voting "FOR" Kavanaugh so much better than the Likes of "Spartacus" and "Leaking Feinstein"....or even "Crying Chucky" ever could. 

Based on this article.....up front and factual makes Someone else....."A box of Rocks"!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  It Is ME @7    8 years ago

The difference in honesty and integrity between Collins and the Democratic Senators you listed is amazing.  I'd also add Hirano, Harris , Durbin and Senator Stolen Valor to the list of incredibly disingenuous Democratic Senators who've debased themselves in these hearings. 

Beside Manchin, I'll also give some credit to Coons and Klobacher for refusing to sign onto Durbin's last attempted lie about damaging information about Kavanaugh in the orginial FBI reports. Apparently they have some limit to the amount of lies they'll  broadcast. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     8 years ago

Personally I think it got to the point some conservative congress people would have voted to confirm Kavanagh even if he dropped dead from a heart attack.

 JMO

Unfortunately, If the shoe was on the other foot I believe the same is true of some of the democratic congress people.

This partisanship shit has basically gotten out of control.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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9  arkpdx    8 years ago

Here is the latest from Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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10  Sean Treacy    8 years ago

It's amusing to see the same people who were so spectacularly wrong about the effects of Kavanugh's testimony and Graham's speech so confidently assert what's going  to happen to Collins and Kavanaugh going forward. 

Some might have been a little humbled by their complete failure to recognize what happened last week, but then they wouldn't be progressives.  

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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12  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     8 years ago
This partisanship shit has basically gotten out of control. It's been out of control for decades. It's just more public now with 24x7 news cycles. I think you may be correct but it seems like a well feed monster that keeps growing a little at a time. As the politicians and powers to be divide up the American populous for gain We the People seem to have less power of even what is acceptable from those we actually hire to govern us. When the employees run the works something seems out of kilter somehow.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @12    8 years ago

The "both sides are the same" people are basically the ones who gave us Trump. I hope you're all proud of yourselves. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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13  author  JohnRussell    8 years ago

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13.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @13    8 years ago

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MrFrost
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14  MrFrost    8 years ago

It's a shame the FBI is so corrupt and did a poor job of investigating Kavanaugh... Huh?

Hey, don't blame me, trump has been saying that the FBI is corrupt from the top down for the last 18 months. 

 
 

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