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Independents Aren’t the Swing Voters This Year. Christians Are.

  

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Via:  xxjefferson51  •  8 years ago  •  98 comments

Independents Aren’t the Swing Voters This Year. Christians Are.
Did you watch any of Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings on TV?

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



Did you watch any of Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings on TV?

If you did, you’ve witnessed the hostility from the liberal left towards the sanctity of life and religious liberty, principles that Kavanaugh’s record has proven to uphold.

Shouts from protesters yelling in defense of Roe v. Wade have frequently filled the hearing room and interrupted the committee proceedings. This is no coincidence. The highly organized Women’s March took credit on Twitter for the dozens of women arrested for disrupting the hearings. 

The liberal left is feeling the weight of Barack Obama’s famous 2008 saying, “elections have consequences.” They recognize they may lose leverage on issues that are interwoven with our faith, namely the sanctity of life and religious liberty.

But in just four weeks, voters will head to the polls for midterm elections, and that outcome is not as certain.

Democrats only need 23 seats to flip the House and two seats to gain majority control of the Senate. Don’t be under any illusions: Pro-abortion advocates such as the Women’s March are organizing in unbelievable numbers to mobilize voters.

Both the right and the left are desperately trying to mobilize their bases and appeal to key swing voting blocks. But there’s a reality few in politics have fully recognized and accepted: Independents aren’t the swing voters in this election. 

Christians are.

It’s estimated that 35 million of America’s 90 million evangelical Christians did not vote in the 2016 election. Since voter turnout always drops off for midterm elections, it’s very possible that even more than 35 million Christians will choose to stay home — unless they are motivated and equipped to use their voice through their vote.

Do you think that candidates who advocate for abortion, the aggressive LGBTQ agenda or think people of faith should keep their beliefs out of the public square would be elected if 35 million more Christians voted?

I doubt it.

Every American should cherish the right to vote. The best way to do this is to practice that right! If Christians are to protect the principles we hold most dear, we must faithfully vote. Otherwise, those who believe differently — very differently — win by default.


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Thrawn 31
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2  Thrawn 31    8 years ago

Didn't realize they were mutually exclusive. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4  MrFrost    8 years ago

No true Christian should vote for trump. PERIOD. Trump is not a moral person by any definition and no way in hell is he in line with any real Christian's beliefs. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  MrFrost @4    8 years ago
Trump is not a moral person by any definition and no way in hell is he in line with any real Christian's beliefs. 

The Christian support of Trump tells me all I need to know about "Christian beliefs". They are empty. The Christian support of Trump simply tells me that, as a group, they are completely amoral. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.1    8 years ago
Sorry but choosing Hillary Clinton is no act of Christianity.

Lol is that what you tell yourself? If the choices were truly that bad then shouldn't you have abstained instead of tainting yourself with one of the most ungodly people to ever live? FFS I am a better christian than fuck head and I reject all deities right off the bat. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.1    8 years ago

If trmp said the things that he said about your own daughter or wife, would you still support him?

 
 
 
Fireryone
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4.1.4  Fireryone  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.3    8 years ago

If trmp said the things that he said about your own daughter or wife, would you still support him?

It's a yes, just look at sniveling ted cruz. 

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.5  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.3    8 years ago

They don't actually care about morals, it is only agenda.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @4.1.5    8 years ago

Did anyone notice I didn't receive an answer?

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.6    8 years ago
Did anyone notice I didn't receive an answer?

The better question is, is anyone really surprised you didn't? it's quite typical too.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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4.1.9  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.8    8 years ago
How many times do I have to repeat that I didn’t vote for either Trump

I'm not buying that BS! The way you gush about Trump, one would think he's the 2nd coming of Jesus. 

 
 
 
epistte
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4.1.10  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.9    8 years ago
I'm not buying that BS! The way you gush about Trump, one would think he's the 2nd coming of Jesus. 

The guy that XXXPalin-for-Jefferson claims to have voted for is nothing like Trump. I have to wonder what occurred to change his mind to become a rabid MAGAite?

 
 
 
epistte
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4.1.12  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.11    8 years ago
Tax cuts, defense build up, the courts. That and the constant bashing from the left in places like this and in the streets.  Given the choice of standing with him and his voters or you and those on your side, there was no choice.  Trump 2020. 

How can you cut taxes and build up the military at the same time?

Stacking the federal courts with religious loons as a way to trample the religious and secular rights of others will not end well for conservatives. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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4.1.13  lennylynx  replied to  epistte @4.1.12    8 years ago

How?  Ask Dubya, he cut taxes while waging two major wars.

 
 
 
epistte
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4.1.14  epistte  replied to  lennylynx @4.1.13    8 years ago
How?  Ask Dubya, he cut taxes while waging two major wars.

We all know how that fiscal policy ended.

 
 
 
epistte
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4.1.16  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.15    8 years ago

Guess again,

President George W. Bush

President Bush  is next, racking up $3.293 trillion over two terms. He responded to the  9/11  attacks with the  War on Terror . That raised military spending to $600 billion a year. The  Bush tax cuts , also known as the  Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act  and  Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act , cut taxes to address the 2001 recession. Unfortunately, the cuts did not sunset when the recession was over. That worsened the housing boom and depleted revenues during the 2008 recession.

He attacked the  2008 financial crisis  with the  $700 billion bailout . Congress added the bailout to the mandatory budget. There it became the Troubled Asset Relief Program .

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5  Perrie Halpern R.A.    8 years ago

This article is closed as a violation of the TOS/ advertising. 

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1  epistte  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    8 years ago

Why was this thread reopened?

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.1.1  Krishna  replied to  epistte @5.1    8 years ago
Why was this thread reopened?

I can think of only one reason-- obviously it was God's will!

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.2  epistte  replied to  Krishna @5.1.1    8 years ago

Praise be to Karl Popper or FSM, whichever works for you. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @5.1.2    8 years ago

There is only the one true FSM! Any and all other beliefs are wrong! jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.4  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @5.1.3    8 years ago

Is this a pastafarian religious icon? 

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.6  epistte  replied to    8 years ago
I'll take the mac&cheese and use the $69.21 on Moose Munch.

I'll probably regret asking this, but what is Moose Munch?

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.9  epistte  replied to    8 years ago
In fact, I had to just go look - they do sell by the bucket. Aren't you from the northwest too? Feel like I'm getting shilled.

Nope. Cleveland area.

For those who are wondering what it is,

I've never heard of puppy chow that is apparently a midwest thing. It also sounds nasty. 

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.10  epistte  replied to    8 years ago
Harry and David puts a sampler in their various Christmas, (I won't beat that horse) gift packages. I'd knock down a frail old lady for a bucketful.

I've sent Harry and David gift baskets to an aunt and uncle that I didn't know what to buy for. They sent a fruit cake.  

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.12  epistte  replied to    8 years ago

The next year I sent them a gift basket from Dean and Deluca.  UPS delivered another fruitcake to my door.

You can see a pattern developing.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6  Perrie Halpern R.A.    8 years ago

The article was reopened when the offending part was removed. 

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1  epistte  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    8 years ago
The article was reopened when the offending part was removed. 

Illogical arguments offend me, so can those also be removed, or would that be an example of tyrannical secular progressive scientific censorship that only MBFC tolerates? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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6.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.1    8 years ago

Because they're illogical. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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6.1.3  lennylynx  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.1    8 years ago

WTF are you babbling about?  Who said anything at all about 'viewpoints?'

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.5  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.1    8 years ago
Why would you or anyone else want to censor political and or religious viewpoints that you don’t agree with or like?  

Do you not understand that I am parodying your emotional and illogical posts?

Religion is illogical.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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6.1.6  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.4    8 years ago

Uh yeah, that is for me to say! I'll call it as it is!

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.7  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @6.1.6    8 years ago
Uh yeah, that is for me to say! I'll call it as it is!

Humans are the only species to practice any form of religion, despite the fact that we are among the newest life forms on earth at 1/3 to 3/4 of a million years old. Homosexuality is very common among other species but religion is not, so being gay is natural but believing in god isn't. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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6.1.8  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @6.1.7    8 years ago

"Humans make illogical decisions." 

Spock to Amanda, Star Trek IV: TVH.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.9  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @6.1.8    8 years ago
"Humans make illogical decisions."  Spock to Amanda, Star Trek IV: TVH.

Religious belief is more common among less intelligent humans.

The key question, then, is why religious people are generally less intelligent. And the authors did not shy away from the answer, offering three compelling explanations:

(1) Intelligent people are generally more analytical and data-driven; formal religions are the antithesis: they are empirically fluffy and their claims are often in direct contradiction with scientific evidence, unless they are interpreted metaphorically – but maybe intelligent people are not that keen on metaphor. Another way of putting it is that people with a high IQ are more likely to have faith in science, which isn’t religion’s best friends (yes, yes, I do know about Einstein’s quotes).

(2) Intelligent people are less likely to conform, and, in most societies, religiosity is closer to the norm than atheism is. Although this interpretation is based on extrapolation, it still makes sense: first, smarter people tend to be less gullible ; second, in most societies religious people outnumber atheists and agnostics - though global levels of religiosity have been declining , and there is substantial cultural variability in religiosity levels.

(3) Intelligence and religiosity are “functionally equivalent”, which means that they fulfil the same psychological role. Although this intriguing argument contradicts points 1 and 2, it deserves serious consideration. Humans will always crave meaning. Religion – like science and logical reasoning – provides them with a comprehensive framework or system to make meaningful interpretations of the world. At times, religion and science are in conflict; but they can also act in concert, complementing each other to answer non-falsifiable and falsifiable questions, respectively. The authors conclude that some people satisfy their desire to find meaning via religion, whereas others do so via logical, analytical, or scientific reasoning – and IQ predicts whether you are in the former or latter group.

It is noteworthy that these three explanations assume that IQ influences religiosity rather than vice-versa, which seems plausible: IQ levels remain very stable after childhood , whereas religiosity levels keep fluctuating – childhood IQ predicts adult IQ, but childhood religiosity is a very poor predictor of adult religiosity.

However, the authors forget to consider an important possibility, which is that the relationship between IQ and religiosity could be caused by a third variable, namely personality . Indeed, Openness to Experience, a personality dimension that predicts an individual’s propensity to display higher levels of intellectual curiosity, aesthetic sensitivity, and be driven by counter-conformist and rebellious attitudes, is positively correlated with IQ, and, like IQ, stable from an early age. Furthermore, there is also ample evidence suggesting that higher Openness may cause IQ gains in adulthood because open individuals are more likely to invest time and resources acquiring expertise and knowledge.

And,

Religious people are less intelligent on average than atheists because faith is an instinct and clever people are better at rising above their instincts, researchers have claimed. 

The theory — called the 'Intelligence-Mismatch Association Model' — was proposed by a pair of authors who set out to explain why numerous studies over past decades have found religious people to have lower average intelligence than people who do not believe in a god.

A 2013 analysis by University of Rochester found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 historic studies.

A negative correlation  between intelligence and religion makes sense if religion is considered an instinct, and intelligence the ability to rise above one's instincts, say researchers Edward Dutton and Dimitri van der Linden in their new paper published today.

Writing for Springer’s journal of Evolutionary Psychological Science, the authors – who are based at the Ulster Institute for Social Research and Rotterdam University respectively – explained their model is based on the ideas of evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa.

Mr Kanazawa's 'Savanna-IQ Principles' suggest human behaviour will always be guided by the environment in which their ancestors developed.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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6.1.10  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @6.1.9    8 years ago
Religious belief is more common among less intelligent humans.

Perhaps because it discourages critical/rational thinking and thrives when there is less rational and independent thought.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.11  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @6.1.10    8 years ago
Perhaps because it discourages critical/rational thinking and thrives when there is less rational and independent thought.

I think that religious belief appeals to less intelligent people who want a simplistic view of the world. It's an emotional pacifier that allows then not to have to be accountable for their morality or to accept their mortality. All they have to do is to convince themselves to believe that some invisible deity will always be there to care for them as mommy and daddy did.  It's an intellectual crutch.  Logic becomes a foreign language. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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6.1.12  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @6.1.11    8 years ago
I think that religious belief appeals to less intelligent people who want a simplistic view of the world.

It certainly takes less effort rather than thinking or contemplating things for oneself.

It's an emotional pacifier that allows then not to have to be accountable for their morality or to accept their mortality.

It's also an emotional comfort mechanism.

All they have to do is to convince themselves to believe that some invisible deity will always be there to care for them as mommy and daddy did. 

Children outgrow silly fantasies like Santa or the Easter Bunny. But not when it comes to god/s and religion.

It's an intellectual crutch.

More like intellectual demise.

  Logic becomes a foreign language. 

Like Klingon.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.13  epistte  replied to  epistte @6.1.11    8 years ago
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My reply wasn't a sweeping generalization, nor was it meant to be an insult. There is proof to support what I said. There are people who are insulted by evolution and logic but that doesn't mean that they are personal attacks or violations of their religious beliefs. 

 

I'd like for my post to be restored.

 
 
 
Fireryone
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6.1.14  Fireryone  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.1    8 years ago
Why would you or anyone else want to censor political and or religious viewpoints that you don’t agree with or like?  

You're admittedly electing conservatives who intend to enforce your religious viewpoints on women who do not agree that life starts at conception. 

Why don't you see the hypocrisy in your comment above and the desire to force women to back alley abortions? Rhetorical question...I know the answer. 

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1.15  Ender  replied to  Fireryone @6.1.14    8 years ago

IMO religion is nothing but a front. It is used as a way to control people.

Religious leaders have proven time and again they never practice what they preach.

They love money and power.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.16  epistte  replied to  Ender @6.1.15    8 years ago

I love this meme.

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1.17  Ender  replied to  epistte @6.1.16    8 years ago

HA. Love it. So true.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  epistte @6.1.13    8 years ago

After reviewing what you said and reviewing it with BF, I am going to restore. 

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.19  epistte  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.18    8 years ago
After reviewing what you said and reviewing it with BF, I am going to restore. 

Thank you. 

I'll respond to your act of generosity by continuing not to respond to that certain someone, even though the ban expired today. 

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1.21  Ender  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.20    8 years ago

Almost every article you post is a sweeping generalization.

 
 
 
epistte
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6.1.22  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.20    8 years ago
Quite the set of sweeping generalizations. There have never been a more controlling group of people than atheists.  What they do to religious people when they have political power is a part of the historical record.  When state atheism is in control, blood runs in the streets.  

Who said anything about state-enforced atheism? You are the one with the unhinged persecution fantasies because someone has convinced you that atheists want to ban religion. The ACLU on many occasions has defended the religious rights of Christians, despite what you have been told or want to believe.  

We have freedom of religion in the US that applies to all beliefs equally including the right not to believe, as well as the strict separation of church and state that keeps religion and the power of the state separate to protect the secular and religious rights of all people from religious tyranny.  You have just exposed your goals that you want to both legislate and enforce your conservative Christian beliefs because you are conviced that atheists seek to do likewise. You could not be further from the truth.

Sarcasm was deleted before someone could complain about my definition of character. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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6.1.23  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.20    8 years ago
Quite the set of sweeping generalizations.

That's something you yourself have mastered, as your next statement demonstrates:

There have never been a more controlling group of people than atheists.  

Case in point. And also lacking anything of substance to support it.

What they do to religious people when they have political power is a part of the historical record.

Such as? Careful that you don't confuse atheism with political ideology or control.

 When state atheism is in control, blood runs in the streets.  

So theocracies like the Middle East or throughout history all have their hands clean, eh?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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7  Hal A. Lujah    8 years ago

Yes, Christians whackadoos are very persuasive!

Mark Taylor: Literal Demons Are Manifesting Against Trump As He Works To Arrest The Deep State For ‘Eating Kids’

Mark Taylor, the so-called “ firefighter prophet ” about whom Liberty University is making a movie , appeared on Sheila Zilinsky’s podcast once again last weekend, where he warned that literal demons are manifesting in opposition to President Trump because the members of the “deep state” know that the president is working diligently to imprison them for “eating kids.”

 
 
 
epistte
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7.1  epistte  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7    8 years ago

Sheila Zilinsky sounds like a bleach blond Sarah Palin according to this blurb from her Patreon page. Where are the guys with huggie jackets to corral her? 

  The liberal media operatives have unlimited funding and pummel our Christian culture with a steady diet of fake news, immortality and poison. For over 10 years Sheila Zilinsky has boldly and fearlessly confronted and exposed ubiquitous corruption by the Global elite & the unseen hand of evil orchestrating world events.
Due to the mainstream media's war on independent Christian media, the constant censorship on YouTube, etc., and their mass demonetization campaign (major advertisers suspending advertising on "offensive" content) Sheila needs your help to enable her to continue producing quality broadcasts (both audio and video) to reach more people with her messages. Your help is needed, and very much appreciated.
Let Sheila be your voice as she continues in the fight against evil and corruption.
 
 
 
epistte
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7.1.2  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.1    8 years ago

You don't want the truth. You want a conservative echo chamber.  You also want to ban people who criticize you or people like you because they intrude on your beliefs. 

I can't wait until people like you call for banning the teaching of logic and history and imprisoning those who do so for heresy. You're not far from supporting that stance now.

 
 
 
Fireryone
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7.1.3  Fireryone  replied to  epistte @7.1.2    8 years ago
You're not far from supporting that stance now.

I see no distance left to travel for that stance. 

 
 
 
epistte
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7.1.4  epistte  replied to  Fireryone @7.1.3    8 years ago
I see no distance left to travel for that stance. 

Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge executed the educated and intelligent, so we can see the precedent for their religious purge.  ISIL and the Taliban did the same to anyone who questioned their 10th-century religious beliefs.  These people are not rational and they are driven by extreme beliefs that are not founded in reality. I won't mention the mental health and the intellect of religious conservatives. 

 
 

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