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The Frankenstein Unleashed by the Democratic Party Threatens Us All

  

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Via:  xxjefferson51  •  8 years ago  •  170 comments

The Frankenstein Unleashed by the Democratic Party Threatens Us All
The problem is, the Mainstream Media and congressional Democrats are not most Americans. In their Liberal La-La Land, like at CNN, one dares not speak “the ‘M’-word” (“mob”) when commenting on events such as these. To these pundits, those roaming gangs and shouting crowds are not mobs, but merely concerned citizens understandably “motivated” by the dangerous actions of the Trump Administration.

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To most Americans, a large group of black-clad individuals blockading the streets and harassing motorists who disobey their commands would, quite naturally, be considered a mob. This also would be an apt and reasonable name given to groups of people stalking and screaming at others dining in a restaurant, destroying public monuments, or throwing Molotov cocktails in protest of speakers at a college campus. After all, by definition, a mob is “a large and disorderly crowd of people,” especially those “bent on riotous or destructive action”; and, these incidents are such examples.  As we lawyers say, res ipsa loquitur , “the matter speaks for itself.”  

The problem is, the Mainstream Media and congressional Democrats are not most  Americans. In their Liberal La-La Land, like at CNN , one dares not speak “the ‘M’-word” (“mob”) when commenting on events such as these.  To these pundits, those roaming gangs and shouting crowds are not mobs, but merely concerned citizens understandably “motivated” by the dangerous actions of the Trump Administration. 

Herein lies the existential crisis for Democrats, and the dirty little secret they refuse to acknowledge openly -- is mob rule what Democrats have become?  And is it what our country is becoming?

Since their 2016 trouncing, Democrats have strayed far from their Party’s traditional bread and butter issues like education and civil rights; pursuing instead a strategy exclusively focused on stoking emotional outbursts from their base .  We hear less and less from Democrats about specific policy solutions for how they will fix anything, and increasingly more paranoid shouting that “ people will die ” with every move Trump and the GOP make. Therefore, in whatever twisted logic now passes for strategy in the Democratic Party, if every Trump decision is a death blow to something or someone, then aggressive resistance is an appropriate, if not a “morally imperative,” response.

This sheer lunacy, echoed by elected Democrats back to unhinged activists who believe Trump is responsible for even the most petty of offenses ( like a toddler being knocked over ), not surprisingly has morphed into the political upheaval we see today. Refusal by Democrats to accept this reality is akin to Dr. Frankenstein losing control over the monster he created; but in this, the very real world of 21 st Century America, their antics put real people and real property at great and immediate risk.  This is no 19 th Century novel or mid-20th Century Hollywood movie.  

Scenes from the streets of Portland this month, where masked ANTIFA cowards took over the streets and battered motorists who dared defy them, were gut-wrenching to watch. More pathetic still was to see Portland’s Mayor Ted Wheeler roll-over and surrender to the mob overtaking his city. Unfortunately, Wheeler is not the first Democratic local leader trying to pacify violent leftists by giving them “space.”   U.C. Berkeley let the mobs roam free without police intervention, as did the mayor of Charlottesville during the Unite the Right rally and counter-protests last year.   

These protestors, however, as vapid as their political arguments may be, are not the stupid ones; Wheeler and his hand-wringing colleagues are. By abdicating their sworn duty to uphold the rule of law and protect citizens from mob violence, these poor excuses for elected leaders not only endanger their constituents but undermine the very fabric of a civilized society.  The message their passivity conveys clearly to the mob is weakness and tolerance; which, as is well-understood by responsible parents, simply encourages more bad behavior.

The chaos countenanced by the Wheelers in positions of authority is made worse still when police chiefs order their officers to stand down and simply watch the looting and violence. Complicit also are local prosecutors who refuse to charge those responsible.  How long before mobs shouting down United States Senators and their spouses at restaurants, in airports, or at their own homes, gives way to throwing objects instead of epithets?  

Whether voters will be as stupid as these elected and appointed officials, remains to be seen; but we will learn much in answer to that question when the votes are in on November 6 th . Nonetheless, the muted reactions to the goings on in Portland, the cheers a rant by Rep. Maxine Waters provokes, and the applause a childish antic by “Beto” O’Rourke receives, offer clues as to where many Democrat voters seem to be headed. 

God help us if a majority of voters in key congressional districts, and in states with Senate seats and governorships up for grabs, vote with these mob enablers.


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Rmando
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4  Rmando    8 years ago

I've read articles where businesses are fleeing downtown Portland, partly because of Antifa hijinx but mostly due to threats from violent homeless people. I wonder how long before these Left Coast cities turn into barren ghost towns or start to resemble parts of the world where only the wealthy elite can travel around with paid mercenaries to protect them.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
4.2  lib50  replied to  Rmando @4    8 years ago

Oh, did you miss this proudly republican group of violent racists?  Here, enjoy one of the right's prizes, the Proud Boys (what an asinine name).  And we haven't forgotten all your skinheads and neo-nazis.  Oh, and those ARMED welfare cowboys who take over OUR LAND.   Put your own house in order, they are actually killers.  And I am against violence on both sides in this video, by the way.  But I'm for the protests (women are so scary when they are angry, but really, republicans are embarrassing themselves by trying to make them into mobs. When will conservatives deal with their own?  When dems fuck up, they get the boot.  When gop fucks up, they circle the wagons to protect the perp and gaslight everyone else, keeping the effer upper and promoting him (always a him). 

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
4.2.1  Rmando  replied to  lib50 @4.2    8 years ago

Kind of funny how every time there's a supposedly "right wing" group using violence there just happens to be a left wing group eager to join in, isn't? But thanks for using the "but they do it too" argument. Last I checked no GOP members of the House were urging confrontation like Mad Maxine or saying civility will only happen once the Dems win like Crooked Hillary. The calls for violence are coming from Democrat leaders.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
4.2.3  Rmando  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.2    8 years ago

That article would mean a lot more if a few weeks ago Bill Clinton, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had not been sitting on the same stage as Louis Farrakhan, notorious bigot and anti Semite. If the Dems can embrace him then a few Republicans can listen to a couple of controversial figures for five minutes. At any rate the Huff Post is a notoriously biased and misleading site so I'll do my own research on these "Proud Boys" from non biased sources.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
4.2.5  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.4    8 years ago
....Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky. – who was attacked by a neighbor and hospitalized with serious injuries last year – was exactly right when he asked recently: “Are Democrats paying to incite violence?”

What happened to the Bible mandate of Christians telling the truth?

The ninth commandment says, "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor" ( Exodus 20:16 ). Two or three witnesses were needed in ancient Hebrew law to establish a claim under civil law or a crime under criminal law. A false witness could lie under oath during judicial proceedings in order to establish guilt in a criminal case, or fault in a civil case. Since judgment based on false testimony could destroy the life or property of innocent human beings and discredit a country's system of justice, the penalty for perjury was very severe.

The claim  that Rand Paul was the victim of a partisan attack is a lie and you know it because I already exposed this claim as being non-partisan in a previous thread when you made the same claim. He was attacked by his neighbor because he is a slob.

A neighbor of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky was sentenced Friday to 30 days in prison after pleading guilty to felony assault for tackling the lawmaker last year, a spokesman for federal prosecutors said. The attack was fueled by irritation over a pile of debris. The neighbor, Rene A. Boucher, 60, of Bowling Green, Ky., was also sentenced to one year of probation and a $10,000 fine, said Tim Horty, a spokesman for the United States attorney for the Southern District of Indiana, in a phone interview.
 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Rmando @4    8 years ago
I wonder how long before these Left Coast cities turn into barren ghost towns

If that ever happens we can count on Republicans to start campaigning to abolish the electoral college. They would never allow low population coastal cities getting extra weight added to their votes through a messed up system that overturns the will of the majority if their rural towns had the majority of citizens living in them.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.1    8 years ago
Republicans aren't the ones now screaming to abolish the EC because they lost 

Do you truly believe they wouldn't be if the situations were reversed? If in the last election we had barren deserted coastal cities with just a few handful of voters left who, due to the way the electoral college works, were able to give Hillary an electoral college win while Trump won the popular vote by several million but lost the election, you don't think Republicans would have been screaming to the high heavens about how unfair it was? I have no doubt they would have moved to ditch the electoral college by the midterms if Republicans at that time also controlled the house and Senate. And if you believe otherwise you're either really naïve or lack any knowledge of Republicans.

The only reason rural conservatives support the EC is because it currently benefits them and gives them extra rights and extra power. Their vote is worth more than mine because they live in a low population city/State and I live in a California coastal city. I am no less an American, I paid my taxes, I'm no less worthy of a vote and a voice than any other law abiding American, yet some people think just because they live in low population areas they should have greater representation than I get. But conservatives rub their greedy little hands at the prospect of having their votes count for 3 or 4 times what my vote counts as, and I can only assume they do this because they believe themselves somehow superior. This seems to also sync with the white supremacists views who also consider the Republican party their home.

And that's exactly the argument I would hear from conservative rural Americans if the situations were reversed. I have no doubt Republicans would be whining, moaning and complaining day in and day out until they got the legislators to make a change from an unequal system of governance that gave weighted votes to people who lived in deserted coastal cities.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.3.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.3    8 years ago
Mere speculation on your part, while Democrats have actually DONE what you "think" Republicans would do

It's pretty good speculation based on human nature and observable phenomenon. I'm just pointing out that to point the finger and claim some higher ground without ever having the shoe on the other foot is not only disingenuous, it's downright disgusting.

As for "rights" that some have that I don't have, I never questioned whether we have the same "rights", I questioned why we give more weight to one persons opinion (by giving their vote 3 or 4 times the power of others) than to another citizens opinion just because that person may live in a heavily populated city versus a low population rural small town. I think every vote should be equal, and the only ones who disagree are the ones whose vote counts for more, funny how that works.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.3.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.6    8 years ago
And you will need for Democrats to win lots of elections to change the Constitution and do away with the EC.

Actually, we just need a handful of additional States to pass State legislation that says they will give all of their electoral votes to the popular vote winner. We already have 165 electoral votes promised, we just need another 105 electoral votes before the popular vote winner will always win the electoral college. No change to the constitution needed.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.3.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.3.8    8 years ago
The problem for you is that the combination of states pledged would only reverse a Democrat win in the EC but not the popular vote.

If the States that combined total 270 electoral votes choose to vote for the popular vote winner in each Presidential election, then the popular vote winner will always win the election regardless of which party gets the "red States" who didn't pledge their electoral votes to the popular vote winner. The red States would only ever get their selected candidate a "win" by actually appealing to a majority of Americans, they could no longer simply control enough red districts in a purple State to garner enough electoral votes to steal a win for the majority vote loser.

So no, the "combination of States pledged" wouldn't only reverse a Democrat win in the EC. In fact, if we had those States pledged in the last election Hillary would not only have been the popular vote winner but also the electoral vote winner.

"11 states have pledged to give all of their Electoral College votes to the candidate the winner of the national popular vote, ensuring that something like the 2016 election never happens again."

"The 11 states signed have 172 Electoral votes among them"

So really we need just 98 more electoral votes to ensure a travesty like 2016 never happens again.

"The bill has passed a total of 36 legislative chambers in 23 states—most recently by a 21-14 vote in the Connecticut Senate, a 40–16 vote in the Arizona House, a 28–18 vote in the Oklahoma Senate, a 57–4 vote in New York Senate, a 37–21 vote in Oregon House, and a 26-16 vote in the New Mexico Senate.  A total of 3,112 state legislators have either sponsored or cast a recorded vote for the bill."

"The bill ensures that every vote, in every state, will matter in every presidential election."

If we just get the 23 States that have already passed the legislation in their State houses we will make sure the gold painted turds like Trump never float to the surface of our government again.

The only people against it are those who do NOT want every vote, in every State, to matter. They don't believe in equality or that every American should have an equal voice and vote. They are fundamentally un-American and continue to wrongly believe that their voice and vote is or should be somehow superior to other Americans.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.3.12  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.11    8 years ago
Democrats won't be able to file the paperwork fast enough to overturn that law!

Nope. If someone wins the majority they would have had to have gotten a large portion of voters from the blue States meaning they were a centrist candidate that didn't just appeal to xenophobes, homophobes, Islamaphobes and misogynists. I would have no problem having a centrist Republican as President, I'm not so partisan as to believe that there is a real difference between a centrist Democrat and a centrist Republican. The current EC enables the hyper-partisanship we find ourselves with where an extremist on either side can win as long as they garner just enough electoral votes from the right combination of district's, the majority of American be damned.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
5  CB    8 years ago

So that's it? All that's left to do is start firing at one another? We are truly the saddest people on Earth - because we are supposed to be the smartest. Just fall-back behind barricades and 'unload' on one another—instead of fixing what is broken. The U.S. divided with its own "demilitarized zone." Question is: Which side gets the nuclear weapons silos?

(I'd imagine some group of republicans are hard at work on the details as I write this. Or, finished even?) /s

Pathetic. Here is some sage advice for all of us -- our enemies in the world would love to see us using our god-forsaken weaponry on ourselves and driving our country in the ground. Indeed, they might blow us *kisses*.  WOW -  there are some stupid, stupid Americans indeed.

Apparently, we have no true understanding of what it is to live in peace with one another. Now that the  world's wars for which we are the architects are decreasing; some Americans have too much time to ogle their own discontent.

NOTE: Whoever the writer of this ridiculous article is s/he would better serve the people of this nation by using their writing skills to help us come together. Now that would be a higher calling! So much better than being a provocative propagandist!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
5.2  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @5    8 years ago

Explain what there is to unite us

Left & right are polar opposite on moral issues

polar opposite on taxation

polar opposite on individualism vs collectivism

polar opposite on the role of government

polar opposite on the founding principle that our rights come from God not man

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
5.2.1  lib50  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2    8 years ago

Actually we are not as far apart on every one of those issues as you think.   Most of what you believe about the left is misrepresented and often straight up lies, such as 'they want open borders' or 'they want to take away all of your guns', etc.  So we start off with false information.  Sit down, clearly define the issue and YOUR position instead of misrepresenting somebody else.  Then we can all have a real discussion.  I don't see it happening soon, Trump is incapable of it and republicans follow the leader.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
5.2.2  CB  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2    8 years ago
Explain what there is to unite us

Brotherhood of trust/faith and holding all things in common between believers. You seen to have blow those traits away with all this plotting in politics lanes!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
5.2.3  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @5.2.2    8 years ago

ISSUES, no one votes on “brotherhood of trust”

On abortion, taxes, homosexuality, the role of the Federal Government, States Rights, Immigration, Foreign Policy, Electoral College, healthcare, oil, environmentalism, and on and on, we are polar opposite Americans 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
5.2.4  CB  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.3    8 years ago

Explain what there is to unite us.


That is what you asked of me. The list following notwithstanding.

The original Christians, long before succeeding Christian activities - like "America," considered themselves a brotherhood of trust and faith in God! The early brothers and sisters regarded worldly goods as mere common property - not something worthy to divide themselves into 'cliques' and foment schisms.

That is the allure and trouble with institutional denominations which 'lie in bed' with the political strains of its day! More on this point later.

That is par and parcel what I see as a difficult in your ministry-political stances. You seek to convince me to see your politics as wholly distinct from your faith; even as you wrap your personal political interests in Christian rhetoric.

You bring up "issues" (abortion, taxes, homosexuality, the role of the Federal Government, States Rights, Immigration, Foreign Policy, Electoral College, healthcare, oil, environmentalism, and on and on) you want to see changed to suit libertarian political interests, and in hope of bringing it about you assent to, President Donal Trump, a compulsive liar as an actuator.

Donald Trump is spiritually derelict.

At closer scrutiny, I suggest it is you who has traded something important, that is, "brotherhood," for self-interests and expediency. The solution is simple: Return to original Christianity.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
5.2.5  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @5.2.4    8 years ago

I live in original Christianity. I live with and among people from every tribe tongue and nation.  We spend our life caring for the needy, especially in 3rd world countries and Native Americans 

it is you who lives in something opposite of 1st century Christianity 

government control of our lives is not part of original Christianity 

Absence of proclaiming repentance and holiness is not part of original Christianity 

worshipping man/government is not part of original Christianity 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
5.2.7  CB  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.5    8 years ago

The republican party is displaying itself as a self-indulgent and materialistic culture of "if it is good for me, it is good for everyone."

 I recommend you separate yourself from supporting this current government official, because President Donald Trump is factually a compulsive liar and no one can trust a liar. A liar has little to no personal integrity, atknown any remaining to share with others!

You should separate yourself from the Republican Party which is displaying itself as a self-indulgent and materialistic culture of "if it is good for me, it is good for everyone." Even as the party demeans and demonizes this nation's diversity. How pretentious it is to "live among every tribe, tongue, and nation" working with one hand, while with the other hand you stoke a party and its 'movement' to destroy social and cultural diversity.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
5.2.8  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.6    8 years ago

merging church and government causes problems, even if it is to fill a vacum

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
5.2.9    replied to  charger 383 @5.2.8    8 years ago
merging church and government causes problems, even if it is to fill a vacum

E.A   Like merging Legislature with Judiciary?

 Why do you think that in ALL Human History, those in postpones of power had more then One Advisor, and the wise ones had " Rulers for the time of peace and separate Rulers for War"?

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
5.2.10  epistte  replied to  livefreeordie @5.2.5    8 years ago
it is you who lives in something opposite of 1st century Christianity 

government control of our lives is not part of original Christianity 

Absence of proclaiming repentance and holiness is not part of original Christianity 

You commonly quote objectivist thought on the subjects of economics and government but Ayn Rand was an atheist who said that religious belief and morality are for fools because they hold people back from doing what is in their own best interest. How do you rationalize that with your claimed religious belief? 

These are her words,

My views on charity are very simple. I do not consider it a major virtue and, above all, I do not consider it a moral duty. I regard charity as a marginal issue. What I am fighting is the idea that charity is a moral duty and a primary virtue.
worshipping man/government is not part of original Christianity 

Who is worshipping either their fellow man or the government?

I finally got around to build my shrine to science because people said that I worshipped that idea. Now I might have to build an addition on to my house if I also have to build an altar to fellow man and the government. 

 
 
 
96WS6
Junior Silent
5.3  96WS6  replied to  CB @5    8 years ago
So that's it? All that's left to do is start firing at one another?

Evidently the Democratic party thinks so.  Have you heard what Clinton, Waters, Booker, and Holder have been saying?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
5.3.1  CB  replied to  96WS6 @5.3    8 years ago

96WS6, outlets which spin words and texts out of context are guilty as charged of creating a pretext. Take the time, to read the sources words in context to find correct meaning.

Representative Maxine Waters may have actually crossed the invisible line at points; but the others you mention- you need to scrutinize their statement closer.

 
 
 
Tex Stankley
Freshman Silent
6  Tex Stankley    8 years ago

Pretty much every male in my family, and some of our women folk, put on the battle rattle and went across an ocean to fight the very same ilk that Antifa fights.

They were Antifa before Antifa was cool.

I can only assume from the bile exhibited here that y'all support Nazis over Antifa kids.  Would y'all run and join an American Einsatzgruppen were Mr Dumpf to suggest such a move to be prudent?   My guess is yes, but you would never publicly admit it.   I don't know.   Hey, my guess is that if someone with authority told you it was a good idea to eat babies there'd be weekend baby bar b q's all over the country. 

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MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.1  MrFrost  replied to  Tex Stankley @6    8 years ago

While I support Antifa's message, I am just not a fan of their violence, (when it happens). In reality, they are only violent when confronted with violent outbursts from the radicalized rightists in the KKK and Neo-Nazi's. 

 
 
 
Tex Stankley
Freshman Silent
6.1.1  Tex Stankley  replied to  MrFrost @6.1    8 years ago

I gotta align with Stokely Carmichael on that one. 

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
6.1.2  epistte  replied to  MrFrost @6.1    8 years ago
While I support Antifa's message, I am just not a fan of their violence, (when it happens). In reality, they are only violent when confronted with violent outbursts from the radicalized rightists in the KKK and Neo-Nazi's. 

I agree with you but you cant effectively combat Nazis by being nice y to them. The Antifa have adopted the tactics of the Neo-nazis to combat them in the case of fighting fire with fire.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
6.1.3  CB  replied to  epistte @6.1.2    8 years ago

I understand Antifa's "mission" against facism; but to be successful you have to win.  Plain and simple. The messaging 'war'? They can not win that one through violence. Nor can they grow political influence from a position just barely above gangs!

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  epistte @6.1.2    8 years ago
I agree with you but you cant effectively combat Nazis by being nice y to them.

Oh I agree completely. I don't expect them to be nice and if they are confronted with violence, I completely support them responding with violence as well. My point is that they shouldn't START with violence, but respond with it if necessary. 

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
6.2  Rmando  replied to  Tex Stankley @6    8 years ago

The soldiers who fought in WW2 were nothing like Antifa. Antifa are cowards who hide behind masks and beat up senior citizens and reporters. They wouldn't last two seconds against an actual threat.

 
 
 
Tex Stankley
Freshman Silent
6.2.1  Tex Stankley  replied to  Rmando @6.2    8 years ago

That's baloney.   And Malarkey as well.  Whatever Malarkey is.  

How many black bloc kids you know?   How many street demonstrations you been in where Antifa was there beating up Senior Citizens?   Where in bloody jesus hell did you read their mission is to beat up Senior Citizens?   

How do you believe Nazis should be treated?   Do you like Nazis?   Do you support Nazis and Racists?   Do you like Facists?   Do you support them as well?  

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
6.2.2  lib50  replied to  Rmando @6.2    8 years ago
nothing like Antifa.

I think its time for you to denounce the violent groups on the right.  The Proud (racist) Boys are on team gop, they fight more than antifa.  Also need to answer to the supremacists, nazis, skinheads and other violent groups like the ones that kill doctors.   Those stones republicans are throwing from inside their glass house are shining the light on them.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
6.2.3  Rmando  replied to  Tex Stankley @6.2.1    8 years ago


Here's your heroes in action. Watch the video and then ask yourself if you're still proud of them.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
6.2.4  Rmando  replied to  lib50 @6.2.2    8 years ago

I'll denounce any racist group on the left or the right, just like Trump has done countless times. Now you watch the video I posted above and tell you if you stand by Antifa scum like the ones blocking traffic.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
6.2.5  lib50  replied to  Rmando @6.2.4    8 years ago

The protests in the beginning weren't violent at all, and I do NOT agree with the violence later in the video.  I agree with the premise of the group, but not when it gets violent.  Protesting in the streets is fine, annoying for the drivers,  again, often counterproductive, but I don't have a problem with that.  The physical violence is different.  But Trump doesn't clearly denounce those racist groups, and Hannity even had them on his show (he seems to have a brain fart about it, but its all recorded).  You name one left group that is usually interacting with hate groups on the right, do you have other examples?  Because the hate and violence is weighted on the right at the moment.

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
6.2.6  Rmando  replied to  lib50 @6.2.5    8 years ago

Blocking traffic is a form of violence and physical intimidation, not to mention illegal. Actual legal protests have permits and barricades and are coordinated with police. There are many other mobs on the left that show up at restaurants and theaters where GOP members and even Dems are at to harrass and antagonize them. Like most mindless mobs they usually don't bother to name themselves.

Most of the so called right wing groups have zero connection to actual conservatives. Guys waving Confederate flags are actually supporting a symbol of the Democrat party that they support for over a century. Other groups are just equally mindless mobs looking for a fight.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
6.2.7  lib50  replied to  Rmando @6.2.6    8 years ago

Time for you to comment on Trump's love and admiration for Gianforte's attack on a reporter and the laughter and derision from all his supporters.  Trump is the biggest purveyor of hate and violence, so if you are truly aghast, try bitching about that.  The love of hate and violence is coming straight from the top.  Need a reminder?  No problem.  Any comments?  The freaking world is watching.

<iframe width="400" height="500" frameborder="0" src="https://www.bbc.com/news/av/embed/p06p8zmr/45913921"></iframe>

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
6.2.8  Rmando  replied to  lib50 @6.2.7    8 years ago

The only people who care about some joke Trump made about a scuffle that happened a year ago is the far left, and only because they are all out of ideas. Most people will be voting based on their economic circumstances, not another example of faux left wing outrage.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
6.2.9  epistte  replied to  Rmando @6.2.4    8 years ago
I'll denounce any racist group on the left or the right, just like Trump has done countless times. Now you watch the video I posted above and tell you if you stand by Antifa scum like the ones blocking traffic.

Does this sound like he is denouncing Neo-Nazis and the Klan to you?

President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” while expressing sympathy for their demonstration against the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. It was a strikingly different message from the prepared statement he had delivered on Monday, and a reversion to his initial response over the weekend.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  epistte @6.2.9    8 years ago
President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,

I believe he said there were good people on both sides - and that was about the pros & cons of taking down the statues. Only the left interpreted that to mean the extremist groups that showed up for a fight.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
6.2.11  epistte  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.10    8 years ago
I believe he said there were good people on both sides - and that was about the pros & cons of taking down the statues. Only the left interpreted that to mean the extremist groups that showed up for a fight.

Trump refused to denounce the Klan and Neo-Nazis and the violence that they caused!

How can you be a good person and support the KKK or Nazi ideals at the same time?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.2.12  MrFrost  replied to  epistte @6.2.11    8 years ago

Yep..

512

 
 
 
Rmando
Sophomore Silent
6.2.13  Rmando  replied to  epistte @6.2.11    8 years ago

Trump has absolutely and completely denounced hate groups including white supremacists. It is complete and utter denial on the left to the point of psychosis that he hasn't. You can repeat the same lie as many times as you want but that doesn't make it any more real.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
6.2.14  epistte  replied to  Rmando @6.2.13    8 years ago
Trump has absolutely and completely denounced hate groups including white supremacists. It is complete and utter denial on the left to the point of psychosis that he hasn't. You can repeat the same lie as many times as you want but that doesn't make it any more real.

Do you have a link to that statement?  Thanks.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
6.2.16  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.15    8 years ago
I think you can Bing it on your own.

I didn't make the claim that Trump distanced himself from white supremacists and others. If you make an unsupported claim then be prepared to back it up with proof. 

Feel free to do his research for him.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.17  Vic Eldred  replied to  epistte @6.2.11    8 years ago

You moved the goal posts but it's OK. Trump did it for you over & over:











 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  epistte @6.2.14    8 years ago
Do you have a link to that statement? 

I do. Post # 6.2.17.  I think he has said it more than any man alive. As I recall Obama only had to denounce Farrakhan once by simply saying something like "you can't help who votes for you".

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epistte
Junior Participates
6.2.19  epistte  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.17    8 years ago
You moved the goal posts but it's OK. Trump did it for you over & over:

Donald Trump was forced to backtrack from his previous statement of "many good people on both sides". That is hardly a condemnation of the alt-right or separating them from the GOP.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
7  CB    8 years ago
Wheeler and his hand-wringing colleagues are. By abdicating their sworn duty to uphold the rule of law and protect citizens from mob violence, these poor excuses for elected leaders not only endanger their constituents but undermine the very fabric of a civilized society. The message their passivity conveys clearly to the mob is weakness and tolerance; which, as is well-understood by responsible parents, simply encourages more bad behavior.

SOURCE :

Identiity Evropa proudly announces it is inside the GOP: Say what GOP?!

 
 
 
Tex Stankley
Freshman Silent
7.1  Tex Stankley  replied to  CB @7    8 years ago

Yeah, I read about that  bumphead.   Seems like his cunning plan would work better if he'd keep his pie hole shut about his cunning plan.  

I think this new version of the Republican Party beat him to it.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
7.2  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @7    8 years ago

Total nonsense. According to the NBC article they have a total of 800 members through the US.  They are a pathetic joke that every Conservative Christian who follows Christ rejects their antiChrist ideology

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
7.2.1  CB  replied to  livefreeordie @7.2    8 years ago

The Republican Party has been infiltrated by White nationalists.

I do not have much hope for discussing any of this with you.

The video makes its point. The Republican Party has been infiltrated by White nationalists. Even in republican "sacred" conferences, even speaking onstage during at least, one Trump rally, and holding a republican county office seat!

Now it is "the republicans' sworn duty to uphold the rule of law and protect citizens from violence, endangerment, and the undermining of the very fabric of a civilized society."

Well Republican Party? The hall is rented, the orchestra engaged. It's now time to see what you gone do. Do try not to talk the opposition to death!

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @7.2    8 years ago
Total nonsense. According to the NBC article they have a total of 800 members through the US.

And how many does it take before it's too many? 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
7.2.3  CB  replied to  MrFrost @7.2.2    8 years ago

800 potential rogue infiltrators inside the conservative movement, holding republic office, and seeking additional positions in the Republican Party is apparently a nonsensical and inconsequential matter to Lfod; but, what about republican committees investigating scant to zero voter fraud in minority citizens' forms and applications?  Lfod's party can be enthusiastic, quite open-ended, and display an unreasonable amount of patience for discussing and oversighting fake voter fraud.

This pile of hypocrisy smells bad.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
7.2.5  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.2.4    8 years ago

Okay, have a lookit:

original   James O. Allsup
original original

You were saying? Please continue. . . .

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.2.6  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.2.4    8 years ago
They are not infiltrating the GOP.

You're right, they aren't, they already did, long time ago. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
7.2.7  livefreeordie  replied to  CB @7.2.1    8 years ago

The piece is leftist nonsense, falsely elevating this guy and his tiny group as if they actually have any impact

your hatred of conservatives blinds you to truth

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
7.2.8  CB  replied to  livefreeordie @7.2.7    8 years ago

When the Republican Party can see this country for its citizen diversity of colors, sexuality, gender equity, et ceteras - I will cheer!


Now you made me laugh. I see I have your attention.  You've thrown your red herring down the wrong trail!

With this evidence, I'd expect to read you are in the process of demanding a full accounting on this matter from the Republican National Committee Chairwoman - Ronna Romney McDaniel. Please share any correspondence or relevant activities you carry out with your parties' official national Republican Chair with NT!

NOTE: I will not allow you to brand me as a hater of anybody. What I specifically fight against is principalities, powers, world rulers of darkness, and public-spiritual wickedness in high places. When the Republican Party can see this country for its citizen diversity of colors, sexuality, gender, et ceteras - without trying to social engineer tribalism and separation, I will cheer its members as well!

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
7.2.9  Ender  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.2.4    8 years ago
Leaders of a Manhattan political club that was once the archetype of moderate Republicanism say they stand behind the decision to invite the founder of a far-right men’s group as   police investigate violence   by and against his group after his speech at their clubhouse Friday night.

The Metropolitan Republican Club advertised Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes’s appearance as an opportunity to see McInnes reenact the samurai sword assassination of Japanese socialist leader Inejiro Asanuma. In a Facebook post, the club called the Proud Boys founder the “Godfather of the Hipster Movement [who] has taken on and exposed the Deep State Socialists and stood up for Western Values.”

Link

Following McInnes’s speech, a group of about 30 men who appeared to have just left the event were caught on video attacking two or three protesters near the club, while screaming threats and slurs.

Yet despite internal criticism from some club members — and the video capturing the violence — club leaders defended their decision in a statement on Sunday.

The club’s president, Deborah Coughlin, didn’t respond to repeated interview requests.

Friday’s events offer a microcosm of the disorienting speed of change inside the Republican Party in the age of Trump, as emboldened extremist groups take traditional Republican and American political institutions by storm. The Proud Boys, who made an appearance at a racist gathering in Charlottesville in 2017, are a group so wedded to violence that their initiation rituals involve being punched by members — a far cry from the wealthy Upper East Side Republicanism of figures like former senator Jacob Javits, who the club boasts once made its townhouse his campaign headquarters.
 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
7.2.11  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.2.10    8 years ago

Speaking of things with an "impact,"

There is a photo online of a State of Jefferson flag mounted on the front walk of an Identify Evropa member. Is this non-profit organization a separatist group and movement?

Care to come clean about this group's "bottom-line"?

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
8  Nowhere Man    8 years ago

The REAL funny thing about all this.....

The left claiming all that is good about America is exclusively Progressive Liberal, Nothing or no one else had any input.....

The right is claiming the EXACT same thing...... All that is good about America came about by their brand of exclusive ideology....

The REAL creators of the greatness of this nation, could care less of either sides claims......

BOTH SIDES are claiming something that is NOT theirs to claim....

But they both have their altars they worship at.....

Got Mit Uns........

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
8.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nowhere Man @8    8 years ago
The left claiming all that is good about America is exclusively Progressive Liberal, Nothing or no one else had any input..... The right is claiming the EXACT same thing...... All that is good about America came about by their brand of exclusive ideology....

Well, let's just do a little mental exercise and see if we can determine who is being the real intolerant bigot.

A city council puts on a luncheon for all the community so they can better get to know one another and maybe even partner on a lot of issues facing the town. They invite the whole town to come and participate. Now half of those who show up are religious conservatives, the other half are "bleeding heart liberals" including several members of the LGTBQ community.

When the members of the LGTBQ community are asked to group with members of the religious conservative groups to address keeping the streets clear of debris that could clog the cities rain drainage system and cause localized flooding of businesses, they say "No problem, lets get this done", while those of on the religious conservative side wave over the city council person who suggested it and say "Um, well, can we work on our own, we don't feel comfortable working with people who offend our religious beliefs". 

LGTBQ Americans are completely fine with religious conservatives, up to the point where religious conservatives attempt to diminish and discriminate. Then religious conservatives complain they're being attacked for their beliefs. But the fact is they aren't, they're being attacked for the way the choose to enact those beliefs. By firing gays, refusing them service, refusing to issue them legal marriage licenses as the law states, this is ALL on the religious conservatives, not on the LGTBQ community.

So until they can act like civil adult Americans, the religious conservatives out themselves as the intolerant bigots and their cries claiming religious freedom to discriminate, to refuse service and malign other law abiding Americans, will fall on deaf ears.

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." Matthew 6:24

Religious conservatives try to have their cake and eat it to, they claim to be Patriotic Americans, but also are indoctrinated and steeped in religion for which many claim they'd take up arms and kill for if push came to shove. They try to serve two masters, that of civil society and that of their God. And at the moment they appear to be bowing down to the gold painted slob sitting on the American Presidential throne who is telling them violence against your enemy is to be praised, but violence against religious conservatives should be shamelessly exploited. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
8.1.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1    8 years ago
Religious conservatives try to have their cake and eat it to, they claim to be Patriotic Americans, but also are indoctrinated and steeped in religion for which many claim they'd take up arms and kill for if push came to shove. They try to serve two masters, that of civil society and that of their God. And at the moment they appear to be bowing down to the gold painted slob sitting on the American Presidential throne who is telling them violence against your enemy is to be praised, but violence against religious conservatives should be shamelessly exploited. 

I can agree with this with one proviso.....

Secular socialists try to have their cake and eat it to, they claim to be Patriotic Americans, but also are indoctrinated and steeped in political dogma for which many claim they'd take up arms and kill for if push came to shove. They try to serve two masters, that of civil society and that of their all powerful government. And at the moment they appear to be bowing down to the all encompassing golden society god who is telling them violence against your enemy is to be praised, and violence against anyone not believing as they do should be shamelessly exploited. 

The real unfortunate thing is it plays just as evil in the other direction.....

So who are the real fools?

The ones who blindly push their utopia over any others....

It's what this nation was conceived to prevent and government created to stop...

A very monarchal approach......

Both sides are self blinded by the supposedly brilliant ideal "if only we were completely in charge" when in reality the brilliance is only in the mind that created the ideal....

The argument runs from both sides that the other side is getting the cart before the horse.

This nation was designed so that all carts don't even need a horse. (but we have to agree to push the wagon together)

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
8.1.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Nowhere Man @8.1.1    8 years ago
(but we have to agree to push the wagon together)

actually... we agree to push our own wagons 

and we will circle the wagons together when needed.

federal taxes, social programs, national defense/war and the like.

 in the end we all have to fix our own broken wheels or get left behind.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Participates
8.1.3  Nowhere Man  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @8.1.2    8 years ago
in the end we all have to fix our own broken wheels or get left behind.

Perfect analogy.

And today's problem is most of the politico's of today and their sycophant followers want is to break even more wheels....

Of course that means deliberately leaving those behind they don't like.

Not what the Founders had in mind....

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
9  The Magic 8 Ball    8 years ago
Frankenstein Unleashed By The Democratic Party 

just like the movie, in the end frakenstein dies.

midterms will sound the death knell for the liberal progressive bs

 

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
9.1  nightwalker  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @9    8 years ago

I hope you're not betting your life savings on it, I know it's only $20 or so but still....hate to see you go without.

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The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
9.1.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  nightwalker @9.1    8 years ago
hate to see you go without.

not a chance...

I am retired and with my simple lifestyle, I will never live long enough to spend it all.  I have zero worries.

but thanks for your concern :)

I hope you're not betting your life savings on it

I am betting the entire countries life savings on it.

yours included :)

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
9.1.4  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1.3    8 years ago
The post you responded to and savings are diametrically opposed.....

when you figure out sarcsm? let me know k?

as for my money? safe enough, but I do have a grand on trump to win in 2020

 cheers :)

 

 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Quiet
10  Galen Marvin Ross    8 years ago

Which Frankenstein?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
10.1  CB  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @10    8 years ago
Edgar Winter Group - Frankenstein

Oh my goodness. I grew up listening to this group play 'Frankenstein' and have know the 'lyrical' notes to the arrangement all these many, many, years in my heart. This is the first time I have ever seen it performed and it is a real treat. A heart-felt treat. This speaks volumes to the impact another person can have on us, even when we do not know why.

Well done, Edgar Winter Group. Well done.

Galen MR, I could not have asked for a more 'filling' moment just now than this!

thank-you-smiley-animated-thanks_glitter
 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Quiet
10.1.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  CB @10.1    8 years ago

My pleasure, I couldn't resist the Frankenstein reference in the title.

 
 

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