Making America Great Again

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die.".....Ted Kennedy

When you post satire, it's supposed to be classified as such.

Yes bringing the deep state out in the open is one of his greatest accomplishments. Unfortunately the deep state has turned to censorship to silence those that expose the deep state. Fighting the censorship is in our best interest. Banning websites is the modern day equivalent to book burning. 

Yup, the left is now firmly on the wrong side of history.

In my opinion America has always been a great country  I would not have wanted to be born anywhere else. We have a great country full of natural resources, a diversified population that adds the variety of spice and a government ran by the citizens who elect a diversified group of citizens to direct and lead us.

Unfortunately I think our newest president doesn’t consider much of this as being great he seems to think he has all the answers himself and acts like he should decided on where and how we go all by himself.

I really don’t believe that is making America a greater country but I do question where it goes from here.

Good article Vic. I'm probably as  pretty far Left as a person can get  without becoming an Extremist. I think Education should be free, as well as Healthcare. I'm all for Homesteading to be reenacted, and I don't believe we should "own" more land than we can tend.

Yet here I am; finding myself nodding my head along with those of what has become labeled as the "Far Right". No, we shouldn't be taking in more immigrants until we have solved our own Homeless problem...at least those without actual jobs and places to live when they get here that is. No, the Federal Government shouldn't be bogging business down with useless regulations, but by the same token they SHOULD set laws regarding protecting the environment. Can be done with a simple rule--anything you put in must be remove-- and anything you take out, must be replaced or repaired. No, we shouldn't be sending billions of dollars overseas to buy affection, It doesn't work. Instead, let's have the strongest, best equipped, and SCARIEST military force in the world so that no one DARES to mess with us. The whole Walk softly but carry a Big Stick modus operandi.

I don't think we will ever get there though, whether we try by way of Democratic party, or Republican. Our convoluted election process and the inherent corruption it breeds guarantees we will never get there via the ballot box. Our only REAL hope is a total shakeup of the entire Hill, and that is what Trump was supposed to be. While he has certainly sent shockwaves across D.C., he has failed to actually do what we hoped for in that regard. We can only hope that either he gets a second term and therefore is freed to do exactly that through some meaningful investigations and prosecutions of these corrupt Politicos, or maybe the next outsider we send in does.

We can only hope...

We can only hope that either he gets a second term and therefore is freed to do exactly that through some meaningful investigations and prosecutions of these corrupt Politicos, or maybe the next outsider we send in does.

Now, THAT is some mean satire.  By saying something so ridiculous you lampoon Trump in the most appropriate way possible.

Vic, I think you have the best of intentions, from a conservative point of view. The problem is that you believe a lot of things that are not true, or you accept a skewed perspective on them.

By far, the biggest problem America faces is deceitful right wing media. It is by far the biggest problem, because without truth we are just running around directionless (at best).  America ceased to be great , so to speak, the day Rush Limbaugh began a national radio show in the early 1990's. Before Limbaugh there was little "right wing" sensationalist media. After Limbaugh we are drowning in it. Fox News is allegedly a journalistic organization, but they have programs that have repeatedly acted as a propaganda arm for the political right. They have numerous hosts who have had to apologize for making false claims on the air. Fox News has been often described by fact checkers as unreliable. Conservative talk radio is, if anything worse. Conspiracy mongers like Michael Savage are popular. Mark Levin lies about his political opponents on a daily basis.

Now, you are in the unfortunate position of defending Trump. Right wing media has told their fans for a couple years now that the "real" scandal involved Hillary and Obama trying to subvert Trump's campaign, and soon the truth would come out. This is a story that has not advanced an inch.

In the meantime a mountain of indications that Trump and his circle are totally corrupt has emerged. Trump may be impeached. Not because he will be railroaded but because he is a piece of shit human being. He has been scamming, conning and cheating people all his life. But you are worried about the "deep state", as if trump were being persecuted. It is ridiculous Vic.

No John, it's far from being ridiculous. It isn't hard when you face the facts. Tell me why one group of people gets prosecuted for perjury and another group dosen't?

By far, the biggest problem America faces is deceitful right wing media.

Hardly. Here is a challenge for you: Name all of the Mainstream Media and where they lean on the political scene. Need help???

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Oh, Bullshit! I remember the bad olde days of the fifties and sixties before civil rights, gay rights and women's liberation and they were nothing like they were portrayed on Leave It To Beaver and Father Knows Best. Be damn careful what you wish for. Unless you are an olde white straight man wishing for the black and white daze of olde would be pretty damn stupid...

I remember the bad olde days of the fifties and sixties before civil rights, gay rights and women's liberation

Never toss out the baby with the bath water. Shame on you.

It is you would  toss out the civil rights of nonwhite nonstraight nonmales...

We will not go back to the black versus white world of 1950s Pleasantville...

That propagandized world on 1960's American TV never existed for most.

Of course people dream of a better world butt not in our rearview mirrors.

You are giving me the standard liberal nonsense about discrimination outweighing everything else. Wrong...It simply dosen't.

It was the best of times IN SPITE OF DISCRIMINATION.

No, they were not the best of times for anyone but white males...

Bullshit!   And a sweeping Generalization!

Not bullshit at all Vic...Since your not a minority I doubt if you can relate to those times from a perspective other than from a white guy. 

It wouldn't be such a wonderful time if you were a different color.  

Leave it to Beaver is really just a crock of nonsense. 

Really?

I couldn't have had a credit card in my own name in the 60s.  I couldn't have had the Pill unless I'd been married.  Very few career paths would have been open to me, realistically, and I would have been discouraged from pursuing them.

Jim Crow laws were still in effect.

Homosexual acts were punishable by law.

Joseph McCarthy was whipping up anti-communist paranoia and ruining careers.

Since your not a minority I doubt if you can relate to those times from a perspective other than from a white guy.

And you are speaking for all non-whites who lived during those times?

It wouldn't be such a wonderful time if you were a different color.  

Perhaps not, but it does not take away from what was undeniably the high point of a civilization.

Leave it to Beaver is really just a crock of nonsense. 

That was a TV show. What does that even mean?  

And you are speaking for all non-whites who lived during those times?

Why do you insist on ignoring them, and on ignoring the women who lived during those times?

Classic Greece was a highpoint of civilization. The 1950s? Not so much.

And you are speaking for all non-whites who lived during those times?

I'm speaking from the perspective of a non white and I doubt if you or most white males can relate to what it was like to be non white or female in that time period. And yes, I did live during those times and remember them quite well.

Perhaps not, but it does not take away from what was undeniably the high point of a civilization.

That is your opinion, one which I don't agree with.

That was a TV show. What does that even mean?

The time frame of the show and the phony picture it presented as American life, Vic. 

I couldn't have had a credit card in my own name in the 60s. 

I'm not sure there were credit cards in the 50's & early 60"s. Are you old enough to remember?  How old are you?

I couldn't have had the Pill unless I'd been married.  

The pill was still being developed in the 50"s. You see, back then women might have to be careful about the men in their lives. They couldn't just have sex with everybody & anybody.

Very few career paths would have been open to me, realistically, and I would have been discouraged from pursuing them.

True. There were downsides. The upside was that 1 paycheck could support an entire family!!!

Jim Crow laws were still in effect.

In the South, but that was beginning to change in the 50's. "Brown v Board" was argued in 1952 & enacted in 1954. It was all part of a story that many decades to fix.

Homosexual acts were punishable by law.

True, but that changed eventually too.

Joseph McCarthy was whipping up anti-communist paranoia and ruining careers.

And now we have the deep state, which is far worse than McCarthy ever was. We have abortion on demand, "antifa" and universities which don't believe in free speech, states & municipalities that oppose the Constitution, the loss of our middle class and rampant drug use (700,000 drug overdoses last year).  We have degenerated!  

But your'e preoccupied with progressive concerns

Prior to 1964 nonwhites who made up almost half the population of our rural community could not enter the bank or the drygoods stores or the restaurants or the white grocery store. The local ambulance would not transport nonwhites to the local hospital that would not treat them or admit them. Instead, they had to know what they wanted then pay cash out the back door with no trying on or returns allowed. If hurt in an accident they had to be transported by friends or family to the "Colored Hospital" thirty miles away. Many died due to this. While white children attended a new modern school but the black and brown children attended a one room barn school without books or supplies or a qualified teacher when they were not required to work in the fields. Even the churches were strictly segregated. Only white children could play sports or swim in the community pool. Does that sound like a benchmark for any civilization to you? 

What the right want is a New Giliad like in The Handmaiden's Tale.

I'm speaking from the perspective of a non white and I doubt if you or most white males can relate to what it was like to be non white or female in that time period. And yes, I did live during those times and remember them quite well.

I lived in Boston and although I am white, I did face discrimination growing up. If you remember those times, you know that discrimination was not just based on race, it was also based on ethnicity. People had lots of problems with lots of different people. Unlike you I think the life standard was far greater than today's none the less.

That is your opinion, one which I don't agree with.

Yup, We definitely disagree

The time frame of the show and the phony picture it presented as American life, Vic. 

Life was not like a TV show, then or now, but it was a zillion times superior to today 

I'm not ignoring them. I'm putting an era into perspective. You seem preoccupied with groups & race.  So according to your standards the 1930's were the best of times since all groups suffered equally?

Classic Greece was a highpoint of civilization.

Using your standards, Ancient Greece can't be considered - they were of one race and had no racial or ethnic problem to grapple with. If they had you would be tearing them down. Ancient Rome was far above Greece. The Roman Civilization gave us our form of government, our form of Justice, engineering and basically provided most of the ancient worlds protection from the barbarians, but you would deny that civilization because it also had slavery. There is where we differ!

I think the life standard was far greater

What does the "life standard" mean for you ?

Sorry Vic but I have serious doubts that the discrimination you faced was anything like that faced by   people of color. 

Life was not like a TV show, then or now, but it was a zillion times superior to today 

Vic the TV shows of the 50's and 60's were based on a U.S. that really didn't exist except in the minds of those that had no idea, or chose not to know what was really happening in the US. 

If you think that those times were a zillion times superior to today then I would have to say that the evolving US has left you behind. 

I can't really improve much on what I have already stated. For me it is a quality of life that provided for the nations wealth being shared by as many as was at that time. I know it didn't reach everybody, I wish it had, but we had a very prosperous middle class back then. We don't now. Also we didn't have the drug epidemic which is killing so many, 700,000 last year. That is more than Vietnam and the middle east wars casualties combined.  

What does it mean for you?

Sorry Vic but I have serious doubts that the discrimination you faced was anything like that faced by   people of color. 

Well, you weren't there, were you, not that I care what you think.

Vic the TV shows of the 50's and 60's were based on a U.S. that really didn't exist except in the minds of those that had no idea, or chose not to know what was really happening in the US. 

I don't know why you are so preoccupied with tv shows. I don't even watch them. I'll put you in charge of TV entertainment and race. It will be a new agency called TV plus racial harmony. I'll put it on PBS, Ok?

If you think that those times were a zillion times superior to today then I would have to say that the evolving US has left you behind. 

And about you it must be said that you can't distinguish between change and progress

Are you old enough to remember?

I don't see the relevance of this question.  Do you only read history books that were written at or after the time of your birth?

Yes, there were credit cards.

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In the early 1900s, a few U.S. department stores and oil companies took credit one step further by issuing their own proprietary cards, the precursor to modern-day store cards . Such cards were accepted only at the issuing merchant and designed less for convenience than to promote customer loyalty and improve service.

Bank-issued charge cards originated in 1946 when a Brooklyn banker named John Biggins launched the Charg-It card. Charg-It purchases were forwarded to Biggins’ bank, the middleman that reimbursed the merchant and obtained payment from the customer in what came to be known as the “closed-loop” system. Purchases could only be made locally and only bank customers could obtain a Charg-It card. Five years later, New York’s Franklin National Bank followed suit, issuing its first charge card to its loan customers.

With postwar America on the go, two dining and entertainment charge cards quickly followed. 

The Diners Club Card, which debuted in 1950, was inspired a year earlier by an “a-ha” moment when a customer named Frank McNamara forgot his wallet while attending a business dinner at New York’s Major’s Cabin Grill. Months later, McNamara and his partner, Ralph Schneider, returned to the restaurant with a small cardboard card and a proposal that resulted in the Diners Club Card .

Used mainly for travel and entertainment, the Diners Club Card claims the title of the first credit card in widespread use. Although its purchases were made on credit, Diners Club was technically a charge card, meaning the bill had to be paid in full at the end of each month. By 1951, Diners Club had 20,000 cardholders.

The American Express card , which launched in 1958, had an altogether different provenance. Formed in 1850 as a competitor to the U.S. Postal Service, American Express had introduced money orders in 1882, invented traveler’s checks in 1891, and contemplated a travel charge card as early as 1946, before Diners Club beat it to the punch.

The pill was still being developed in the 50"s. You see, back then women might have to be careful about the men in their lives. They couldn't just have sex with everybody & anybody.

Does it gall you that they can now?  That they have the same freedom men had then?

It was all part of a story that many decades to fix. True, but that changed eventually too.

Yes, to what we have now.  You'd take us back to before those changes.

And now we have the deep state,

Sure, sure.  Produce some evidence.  Not from a paranoid right-wing source, please.

If "progressive concerns" means I get to have a job, a home mortgage, a credit card, and make my own medical decisions, and that my black and gay friends aren't considered legally "less than" or downright criminal just for being themselves, then, yes, I guess I'm "preoccupied with progressive concerns".

I have to wonder why you would think none of those things are worthy of attention.

I've never used the term "life standard". 

I work toward having a good quality of life. I value honesty and compassion. Family and health are more important than anything else in your life. 

Well, you weren't there, were you, not that I care what you think.

No I wasn't in Boston and if you care or not care what I think it has no affect on what I say...Sadly, you seem to be obsessed with reliving that era that was for millions a shit time in our history.

I don't know why you are so preoccupied with tv shows. I don't even watch them. I'll put you in charge of TV entertainment and race. It will be a new agency called TV plus racial harmony. I'll put it on PBS, Ok?

Seems that you have a difficult time with reality, but feel free to obsess about putting me in charge. LOL that was one dumb ass comment Vic. BTW isn't the avatar of for this article from a TV show...LOLOL

And about you it must be said that you can't distinguish between change and progress

Of course I can Vic but you keep tilting at those windmills and reliving the 1940's, 50's and 60's. 

I don't see the relevance of this question.  Do you only read history books that were written at or after the time of your birth?

Life's experience is a great source of knowledge. Do you think reading about the Great Depression is as good as living through it when it comes to understanding the hardship involved? I don't expect anyone who wasn't around before the late 60's to understand what it was like. 

Does it gall you that they can now?  That they have the same freedom men had then?

I think that is progress. Very little of the change that takes place equals progress. (though even there we lost a bit). The question itself is a bit insulting. Did you think I didn't think it was progress?

Yes, to what we have now.  You'd take us back to before those changes.

Of course not. Again, those changes amounted to progress. What I would love to do is take us back WITH those changes, but of course I can't.

Sure, sure.  Produce some evidence.  Not from a paranoid right-wing source, please.

Oh come on. You had an investigation which went to great lengths to protect someone from the prosecution of a clear violation followed by an investigation searching for a crime. If you can't admit that, you aren't being very objective.  Mueller prosecutes 3 former Trump campaign members for perjury, yet no prosecutions for Comey, McCabe, Clapper and Brennan, all of whom have committed perjury. And you say there is "no deep state".


I have to wonder why you would think none of those things are worthy of attention.

They have my attention, along with a lot of other issues. I think in your case, they have your sole attention or should I say your main focus.

Family and health are more important than anything else in your lif

I also have them on top

Life's experience is a great source of knowledge. Do you think reading about the Great Depression is as good as living through it when it comes to understanding the hardship involved? I don't expect anyone who wasn't around before the late 60's to understand what it was like. 

Sounds like a great way to defend a lack of knowledge of or curiosity about history.  Also sounds like a good reason you discount the negative experiences of minorities and women - you don't expect to understand that which you have not experienced.  I'd call that a lack of empathy.

I think that is progress.

Frankly, your words carried a different connotation - a very judgmental one.  But only toward women.

I think in your case, they have your sole attention or should I say your main focus.

Nope.  I have many concerns - the economy which is threatened by Trump's trade war, the poor state of education in this country, ditto for the state of health care, and what kind of environment we'll be leaving behind for our kids and grandkids.

Perhaps not, but it does not take away from what was undeniably the high point of a civilization

a high point of our civilization was a point in time of rampant discrimination and less civil rights for a group of tax paying citizens of this country ?

We have abortion on demand

we've never had abortions during the 1950s or before ?

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"antifa" and universities which don't believe in free speech,

we never had issues with universities and protests in the 1950s or before ?

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rampant drug use (700,000 drug overdoses last year).  We have degenerated!

we never had drug overdoses in 1950s or before ?

statista

( yeap, they increased, but that's the trend... doesn't mean drug overdoses didn't happen, right ? and this is a high point ? )

Back in the 1950s an aunt of my late husband's was beaten regularly by her husband, she went to the Catholic Church to ask for an annulment, they told her NO she had to stay and take it, so she divorced her husband and became a Jehovah's Witness.

Yes, such a fucking wonderful era to be an abused woman....

A relative of my father's side of the family had an abortion done by a butcher and bled to death in the street

Yes, such a fucking wonderful era for women's reproductive choices.

In the 1960s John Kennedy, Martin Luther Kung Jr and Bobby Kennedy were assassinated, the Vietnam war drug on, there was unrest and there were protests and street riots. Good Times? No...

Sounds like a great way to defend a lack of knowledge of or curiosity about history.  Also sounds like a good reason you discount the negative experiences of minorities and women - you don't expect to understand that which you have not experienced.  I'd call that a lack of empathy.

I think you are agreeing with me, without realizing it. You say I lack empathy for women....I assume because I'm not one - that is kind of what is meant by life's experience. However, I take offense to that statement. Exactly where did I show a lack of empathy?

Frankly, your words carried a different connotation - a very judgmental one.  But only toward women.

Which words?

Exactly where did I show a lack of empathy?

By dismissing the poor treatment of women (and others) in the era to which you'd take us back.

By your judgmental words

You see, back then women might have to be careful about the men in their lives. They couldn't just have sex with everybody & anybody.

By your refusal to acknowledge that an era that was pretty damn lousy for women (over half of the population, BTW) and minorities was therefore lousy.  You think it was great, just because it was great for white, straight men.  Nobody else's experience matters.

No, we don't agree, at all.  I take Kavika's experience with racism at his word, rather than dismiss it because it's not part of my life experience.

a high point of our civilization was a point in time of rampant discrimination and less civil rights for a group of tax paying citizens of this country ?

Sad to say, but the two things did exist at the same time.

we've never had abortions during the 1950s or before ?

The key word was "on-demand"

we never had issues with universities and protests in the 1950s or before ?

We never had free speech denied at the University until now

we never had drug overdoses in 1950s or before ?

Drugs were NOT mainstream before the late 60's & the baby boomers.  Sorry


(yeap, they increased, but that's the trend... doesn't mean drug overdoses didn't happen, right ? and this is a high point ?)

Nope, It is NOT relative.

I'm sorry to hear of your personal experiences. Fortunately they were not emblematic of that era

n the 1960s John Kennedy, Martin Luther Kung Jr and Bobby Kennedy were assassinated, the Vietnam war drug on, there was unrest and there were protests and street riots. Good Times? No..

Go back to my article..The era I have staked out ended with the turbulence of the late 60's and the radical left

Fortunately they were not emblematic of that era

"Emblematic"?  No, I guess not.

But they were symptomatic of that era.

My mother was also beat by my father.  She would regularly run into mine and my sisters' room crying trying to get away from him.  It's the only memory I have of my biological father, chasing my mother into our room and her cowering from him.  

By your refusal to acknowledge that an era that was pretty damn lousy for women (over half of the population, BTW) and minorities was therefore lousy.

But I have acknowledged it. If you are being fair, you many posts where I did exactly that.

No, we don't agree, at all.  I take Kavika's experience with racism at his word, rather than dismiss it because it's not part of my life experience.

I didn't dismiss his experience, he dismissed mine

It was the best of times IN SPITE OF DISCRIMINATION.

Those words right there are a dismissal.

As was your response of "Bullshit!" to JBB.

Sad to say, but the two things did exist at the same time.

can't have one without the other and you seem to have no problems with it ... why is that ?

The key word was "on-demand"

oh, so you are upset that abortion is now legal and safer than before ?

from the link provided above: 

One stark indication of the prevalence of illegal abortion was the death toll. In 1930, abortion was listed as the official cause of death for almost 2,700 women—nearly one-fifth (18%) of maternal deaths recorded in that year. The death toll had declined to just under 1,700 by 1940, and to just over 300 by 1950 (most likely because of the introduction of antibiotics in the 1940s, which permitted more effective treatment of the infections that frequently developed after illegal abortion).

i guess this is ok since this goes into the " high point " of civilization ?

We never had free speech denied at the University until now

read up on this a bit:  en.wikipedia

you don't think political activities banned on campuses is denying free speech ?

Drugs were NOT mainstream before the late 60's & the baby boomers.  Sorry

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from the link:

Throughout the early 1900s unregulated medicinal "tonics" were sold containing ingredients including cocaine and opium (9) . By 1902 there were an estimated 200,000 cocaine addicts in the United States, and by 1907, U.S. coca leaf imports were three times their 1900 levels (10) . Hundreds of early Hollywood silent films depicted scenes of drug use and trafficking (11) .

so this isn't mainstream right ? it's in the movies and not mainstream ? this is the high point of civilization ? seriously ?

"Emblematic"?  No, I guess not. But they were symptomatic of that era.

You got a good education. Nicely done, but no wife beating was no more symptomatic then, than it is today, unless you can prove that it was.

I didn't dismiss his experience, he dismissed mine

Actually Vic I didn't dismiss it. This is what I said. 

Sorry Vic but I have serious doubts that the discrimination you faced was anything like that faced by   people of color. 

That is not dismissing your experience. It's saying that I doubt that the discrimination you faced is anything like that faced by people of color....

No, that is a statement of fact. We had discrimination in the south at the same time as we had prosperity & goodwill for more people than we have sharing in those things today. The problem isn't that I am dismissing a social problem, it seems rather that you are fixated with it.  Let me ask you something...Which is worse to you discrimination or the "holocaust"?

It was done with impunity then.  It was called "domestic discipline" and "home correction" then.  Women had little recourse then.  It was looked upon as a husband's right.

My grandmother left her first husband, who beat her and their two sons, and was often unfaithful.  As a divorced woman, she was ostracized.  At the time, she was one of only 2 divorced women in her social circle, and they both were looked down on by society.  She was expected to put up with the beatings and accept that he might bring home whatever disease he might bring home (this was before penicillin was widely available, BTW), because Christian women didn't get divorced.

What brought about the Holocaust, Vic?

wife beating was no more symptomatic then, than it is today

I kinda doubt that, today the laws, the police, the court system, the punishment and public awareness and non acceptance have changed and are a larger deterrent now.

Some men may not have changed much, but the laws we live under sure have. I also believe many men have matured past that mind set as well. 

can't have one without the other

That is not true. If you believe that you must want to put one group above another.

oh, so you are upset that abortion is now legal and safer than before ?

I don't know if you have read my feelings on that subject, but I do believe a lot of Americans do have a moral problem with it.

i guess this is ok since this goes into the "high point" of civilization ?

You are arguing for Roe v Wade because it made abortions safer?  Interesting.


you don't think political activities banned on campuses is denying free speech ?

Free speech means exactly what it says. 

so this isn't mainstream right ?

Nope, the mere existence of drugs in the country dosen't make it mainstream. 700,000 overdose deaths in one year does. Again, it is not relative. 

That's a dismissal. You have no idea, you assume that it wasn't that bad

My grandmother left her first husband, who beat her and their two sons, and was often unfaithful.  As a divorced woman, she was ostracized.  At the time, she was one of only 2 divorced women in her social circle, and they both were looked down on by society.  She was expected to put up with the beatings and accept that he might bring home whatever disease he might bring home (this was before penicillin was widely available, BTW), because Christian women didn't get divorced.

That is terrible and I'm sorry to hear it

What brought about the Holocaust, Vic?

So, you refuse to say that genocide is worse than racism.  That makes my point. Game, Set, Match!  Thank you

There's also the fact that today, since women can be more financially independent than they were then, they can leave abusive marriages.  In the 50s and early 60s, many couldn't.  They had no means of supporting themselves.

I also believe many men have matured past that mind set as well

Let's hope so.  Great conversation.  I have to lock it down for the night....Have you ever heard of Jerry Williams?  I'll discuss him tomorrow.

Have a good one.

The biggest problem confronting Trump is the undeniable "deep snarglbarg". We never would have known about it had Trump not been elected. No one has been able to find one or see one, but Trump tells us they exist so they must! And once we gave into Trumps demands, allowing him to shit on the office of the President, he told us he caught the deep snarglbarg and dispatched it (though it left no trace) so we 'll never have to worry about it again. The end.

It really is incredible how fucking gullible some folk are. 

The Genie is out of the bottle. If you really want to educate yourself on the deep state I recommend you watch this. To deny the deep state exists is to deny there is any truth to Snowden’s revelations. 

To deny the deep state exists is to deny there is any truth to Snowden’s revelations

His "revelations" prove nothing in regards to any coordinated "deep state". Are there people in the establishment that are likely working harder to protect their own jobs than the American people? Yes, of course, but there are also thousands of hard working civil servants trying their best to keep America safe from threats both foreign and domestic. 

It really is incredible how fucking gullible some folk are. 

We learned that when they kept electing a drunk who cheated his way though Harvard and left a girl to drown on Martha's Vineyard to the US Senate.

I was feeling a little sentimental today but I'm glad the seeder reminded me that there are still so many people out there willing to sell out their country for the hope of returning to a time that favored the white male over everyone else.

This is why Trump's base is so despised and Trump is so hated.   

History will show that complicitness leads to culpability.

Look at the bright side with today’s technology anyone can be a white male like Michael Jackson or Chaz Bono. 

OMG - that's so true!  

And I'm glad you reminded the rest of us that the political party that hated blacks then, now hates whites. Discrimination is always with us. It just takes different forms. Today we have a society in free fall to go along with it.

I agree the democrats have forgotten their white base.  They allowed a minority of voters dictate their policies and mold their party.  Hopefully they've learned that all votes matter.  

Sound familiar?

The republicans have allowed a fraction of voters dictate their policies.  It has been their downfall.  Their party has been destroyed by a group of extremist and a corrupt leader.

I agree the democrats have forgotten their white base. 

They didn't forget them, they simply decided that they didn't need them any more, except as the foil to unite all their special interest groups against. 

They allowed a minority of voters dictate their policies and mold their party.

Actually, according to "identity politics" 101, it would give them a majority, provided women vote like trained seals.


Their party has been destroyed by a group of extremist and a corrupt leader.

That didn't take long.  You have arrived - Trump is OFF TOPIC

Trump CANNOT be off topic.  He is the President and it's policies that are molding the country.  

Geesh - I'm leaving since you don't want to have a serious discussion.......

Good night

This is complete and utter BS.  You are NOT allowing all perspectives of the issue to be discussed.  You are trying to control the content of the conversation.  Typical privileged white dude move.  

You are NOT allowing all perspectives of the issue to be discussed

Ok, I will allow your perspective. Feel free

Trump is OFF TOPIC

Dog poop!  You used his campaign slogan as your headline, you began your article with his quote, you detailed his silly shenanigans, and you ended your article by thanking him.

Howdy Doody would be off topic.  Pamela Anderson's boobs would be off topic.  My left butt cheek would be off topic.  But Donald Trump?  He is quite clearly THE topic.

Howdy Doody would be off topic.  Pamela Anderson's boobs would be off topic.  My left butt cheek would be off topic.  But Donald Trump?  He is quite clearly THE topic.

lol

You used his campaign slogan as your headline

I did, didn't I?

Deep state shmeep state. It only exists in the fevered brains of paranoid individuals.

As far as going back to "Father Knows Best" days, f%#k no !!! You can't un-ring that bell. This is 2018 not 1958.

You should have read the article. You can't have it back, but we can reclaim what was good before it's decay. Ring that bell.

but we can reclaim what was good before it's decay.

Civility, honesty, respect for others, common decency, personal responsibility ... Do you really think a president like trump is going to restore those admirable qualities to America ? 

I don't, if anything trump will help make the rich richer and perhaps the poor a little less so. I really think that's about the most we can realistically hope for from president trump. And IMO: That is not all that makes America great. 

Civility, honesty, respect for others, common decency, personal responsibility ... Do you really think a president like trump is going to restore those admirable qualities to America ?

I've already ruled Trump off topic, though I'd like to comment, I can't.

though I'd like to comment, I can't.

I won't tell anyone.

Ok, keep it quiet......Trump won't restore those noble personal attributes youv'e listed, but he will help retrieve the middle class from oblivion

I see you'll discuss Trump with another white dude......

Very telling

he will help retrieve the middle class from oblivion

With temporary tax cuts ?  

Perhaps the tax cuts for the middle class should have been premnate like for the upper class that may have helped. As it stands I doubt long term what has happened with the taxes help the middle class for long. 

Here's a couple of probably hundreds of links related to his:

forbes

itep

Hers an excerpt from the last one:

  The new law, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) is more harmful to low- and middle-income households in years after 2025 because the tax cuts benefiting them are scheduled to expire at the end of that year, while some provisions raising their taxes are permanent.

PS: I'll drop it here I don't want to pollute your seed. Thanks for the exception. 

with another white dude......

LOL I'm that obvious eh ?

LOL 

PS: I was and am grateful for his exception to his own rule to follow up on my comment. 

How can you dare declare that Trump off topic? The title of your article is "Making America Great Again", For Fuck Sake! Trumpism is the topic. So, quit trolling your own seeded article because it is unbecoming and immature... 

I have given you the same chance. BTW, I really don't know peoples races here.....the beauty of being online!

Anytime Steve

I've changed my mind.  I don't want to talk about Trump.  I'm invoking my women's prerogative.  The real me is on my home page for the world to see.  

How can you dare declare that Trump off topic?

I don't know if you've been following this. I declared him Off-Topic because I was being bombarded with counter points. I quickly made him On-Topic again

Hallelujah!

Yeah - well I figured you were getting your butt handed to you without Trump mixed in so I thought it would be like pouring salt into an open wound.  Plus, you seem to be outnumbered.   I don't like piling on.

You can thank me later.  

You finally got me to laugh. Thanks