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Unplanned to expose the truth about PP

  

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Via:  donald-trump-fan1  •  8 years ago  •  518 comments

Unplanned to expose the truth about PP
“In her own words, she said I'd done a lot of ultrasounds, but I had never seen a baby so completely as I did that day – hands moving, eyes, you know, everything … legs,” Solomon shared. “The baby was alive, and then suddenly, I saw the catheter entered into the woman's uterus to basically remove the baby, and the baby tried to escape.” Needless to say, the escape was unsuccessfully. A tiny human being was denied life.

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A pro-life movie that is coming out next year is anticipated to destroy all the myths about abortion spread by left-wing media.

The film is titled, Unplanned: the Abby Johnson Story .

Johnson worked as the director of a Planned Parenthood in the Bryan/College Station area to the northwest of Houston, Texas, for about eight years – doing so because she wanted to help women.

Cary Solomon – the writer, director and producer of the movie – says that Johnson did not do abortions until they were shorthanded one day.

“In her own words, she said I'd done a lot of ultrasounds, but I had never seen a baby so completely as I did that day – hands moving, eyes, you know, everything … legs,” Solomon shared. “The baby was alive, and then suddenly, I saw the catheter entered into the woman's uterus to basically remove the baby, and the baby tried to escape.”

Needless to say, the escape was unsuccessfully. A tiny human being was denied life.

It was then that Johnson realized she had been the supervisor over the termination of 22,000 babies during her tenure. She subsequently resigned and joined the pro-life movement .

Solomon explained that Unplanned is a pro-life movie, but noted that it was not done in a fashion to condemn women who have experienced abortion.

“For women that have not had abortions or children or young girls that are considering it, we want them to realize that this is a baby,” the pro-life director asserted. “You have to contemplate that. You cannot buy into the myth of the media and of Planned Parenthood that it's not a baby.”

Already, Solomon's crew is working on opening the movie in as many theaters nationwide as possible, and so far, 500 have expressed interest.

Unplanned is slated to make its debut in March.


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bbl-1
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2  bbl-1    8 years ago

"The sperm without an egg...…………………………"  And more stupid life hating right wing fetus worship bullcrap.  KAG?  This drivel have a point?

Want to have a kid?  Have the damn thing.

Don't want a kid?  Don't.

Raising children has nothing to do and is not the business of the 'want to stick a cross up your arse' folk.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3  devangelical    8 years ago

sure to be a cinematic blockbuster among hypocritical scumbags that can't mind their own fucking business

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Silent
5  lady in black    8 years ago

Not your uterus, NOT your decision.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Silent
5.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  lady in black @5    8 years ago

What kind of father doesn’t love and protect his child in its developmental stages?  If I create a living fetus I definitely feel I should be a participant in decisions regarding the health and well-being of the fetus. How can one say it is half yours but you have no say in the care and medical treatment a fetus needs then turn around a few months later and claim the male is indeed responsible for the same living organism? How can it be that it is his living sperm then it isn’t, then it is again? 

I’m pro choice but certainly don’t feel the pregnancy and cost of medical care and decisions regarding the fetus should not be shared equally and the child belongs to to parents equally. They entered into a partnership when they decided to create the fetus and saying the father has no responsibility in the care of the fetus is not fair to the female or the male. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1    8 years ago
What kind of father doesn’t love and protect his child in its developmental stages?

It's still not his body. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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5.1.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1    8 years ago

They entered into a partnership when they decided to create the fetus

Come on, Dean.  The partnership was about sex, not procreation.  People who want to have a baby rarely opt to have an abortion.

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Silent
5.1.3  lady in black  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1    8 years ago

When a man can give birth then he can decide what would be best for him, but that will never happen so the final decision is the woman's.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Silent
5.1.4  Dean Moriarty  replied to  lady in black @5.1.3    8 years ago

No we are now on the forefront of that technology. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1.4    8 years ago

Yea, I am sure that's what God intended. jrSmiley_14_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Silent
5.1.6  lady in black  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1.4    8 years ago

Technology notwithstanding, when men can give birth then men can have a say what happens to their body otherwise it's still the woman's choice what to do with an unplanned pregnancy

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Silent
5.1.7  Dean Moriarty  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.5    8 years ago

I don’t believe in Gods only what we know to exist and we know we have the technology or soon will in the near future. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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5.1.8  sandy-2021492  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1.7    8 years ago

When we do, men will have say over their own bodies.  Until then, I make medical decisions for me, being the most concerned party involved.  It's my health being risked by pregnancy.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.1.10  Gordy327  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1    8 years ago
What kind of father doesn’t love and protect his child in its developmental stages?

Immaterial. It's not his body and it's not his choice!

If I create a living fetus I definitely feel I should be a participant in decisions regarding the health and well-being of the fetus

When you get pregnant, then you can have a say in those decisions.

. How can one say it is half yours but you have no say in the care and medical treatment a fetus needs then turn around a few months later and claim the male is indeed responsible for the same living organism?

You're not the one getting pregnant and enduring all the changes and potential complications of pregnancy. Otherwise, see previous statement.

How can it be that it is his living sperm then it isn’t, then it is again?

Apparently, he surrendered ownership when he ejaculated.

I’m pro choice but certainly don’t feel the pregnancy and cost of medical care and decisions regarding the fetus should not be shared equally and the child belongs to to parents equally.

Pregnancy is not an equal partnership. The woman bears the burden of it.

They entered into a partnership when they decided to create the fetus and saying the father has no responsibility in the care of the fetus is not fair to the female or the male.

No, they just decided to have sex. That doesn't equate to wanting a pregnancy. Neither should the woman be forced to endure one against her will if she does not.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.1.11  cjcold  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.9    8 years ago

As an ex paramedic who has delivered many babies I'm here to say that I am glad that I'm a male. Luckily the first that I delivered on the road was from a woman who was having her fifth. She talked me through what was obviously my first solo delivery. She was calm and didn't scream as many do. Mother and child were healthy.

Had a breach once and was told on the radio to reach in and turn it around. I did and they both lived.

My favorite quote was from a teenager who was having her first, she screamed "it was sure a lot more fun getting this inside me than it is getting it out".

I fully support choice and have operated as an escort at planned parenthood clinics who were being protested by religious zealots who would harass ladies coming in for cancer screening or medical checkups for themselves and the fetuses that they wanted to keep and healthily deliver.

The vast majority of what planned parenthood does is see to it that women and their progeny are healthy.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.1.14  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1    8 years ago
What kind of father doesn’t love and protect his child in its developmental stages?  If I create a living fetus I definitely feel I should be a participant in decisions regarding the health and well-being of the fetus.

So, I take it you believe every sperm is sacred so you've never callously taken care of business yourself, right? No crusty socks in your drawer, no shower drain auqunauts sent to an early water grave then?

A man has a virtually unlimited supply of little swimmers while a woman has a limited supply of eggs. That means it truly is the woman who should get to decide whether she wants to keep the fertilized egg or not. There's always plenty more fertilizer where that came from...

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.1.15  cjcold  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1    8 years ago

Some women and some men have wild passionate unprotected sex. Been there did that. 

Some women become impregnated due to the failure of a birth control device. Should have bought the extra large.

Some women are much smarter than some men and seek the services of Planned Parenthood.

Some men are wise as well. Planned Parenthood does not discriminate. A girlfriend dragged me in as a teen for STD screening for both of us and I have been a fan ever since (we both were negative so we fucked liked bunnies).

In this day and age, one can't be too careful.

 

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.16  epistte  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1    8 years ago
What kind of father doesn’t love and protect his child in its developmental stages?  If I create a living fetus I definitely feel I should be a participant in decisions regarding the health and well-being of the fetus. How can one say it is half yours but you have no say in the care and medical treatment a fetus needs then turn around a few months later and claim the male is indeed responsible for the same living organism? How can it be that it is his living sperm then it isn’t, then it is again? 

He doesn't control my body either.  It's my body and it's entirely my choice.

What happened to your previous claimed pro-freedom libertarian beliefs, or does that only apply to you and not to others? 

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.17  epistte  replied to  lady in black @5.1.3    8 years ago
When a man can give birth then he can decide what would be best for him, but that will never happen so the final decision is the woman's.

When a man can give birth, abortion will suddenly be a constitutional right and they will be able to have one at Hooters and BW3 while they watch football at no cost with 2 weeks paid leave afterward.  

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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5.1.18  Dean Moriarty  replied to  epistte @5.1.16    8 years ago

What’s different I said I was pro choice how does that not fit witth being a libertarian? 

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.19  epistte  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1.18    8 years ago
What kind of father doesn’t love and protect his child in its developmental stages?  If I create a living fetus I definitely feel I should be a participant in decisions regarding the health and well-being of the fetus. How can one say it is half yours but you have no say in the care and medical treatment a fetus needs then turn around a few months later and claim the male is indeed responsible for the same living organism? How can it be that it is his living sperm then it isn’t, then it is again? 

The father doesn't get to make medical decisions for her just because he was involved in the conception! It's her body and it's only her choice to terminate or carry to term.

What kind of father doesn’t love and protect his child in its developmental stages?  If I create a living fetus I definitely feel I should be a participant in decisions regarding the health and well-being of the fetus. How can one say it is half yours but you have no say in the care and medical treatment a fetus needs then turn around a few months later and claim the male is indeed responsible for the same living organism? How can it be that it is his living sperm then it isn’t, then it is again? 
 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.20  Kavika   replied to  Kathleen @5.1.12    8 years ago

Robin Williams once said if a man wants to know what it feels like to give birth...Shit a 16 lb bowling ball. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.1.21  cjcold  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.12    8 years ago

One lady in the throes and pain of delivery looked over to her husband and screamed "you are never, ever fucking me again!"

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.22  MrFrost  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.9    8 years ago
I don't think most men would be able to handle it : )

I spent 4 years having one surgery after another, I was in a hospital for 2 years. You have no idea what men can handle so stop pretending that you know what pain is. 

 
 
 
lady in black
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5.1.24  lady in black  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.23    7 years ago

No one is pro abortion

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.1.25  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.23    7 years ago

Wow, a sweeping generalization and disingenuousness all in one comment. Good job. BTW, it's also irrelevant.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Participates
5.1.28  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.26    7 years ago
Just forget about speaking ones mind around here as it surely will be censored if it’s on the wrong side.

Unless you can prove that you have been banned or had comments deleted by Perrie at the behest of the government you have not been censored because your free speech rights do not apply on private property websites. Censorship only applies if the government is limited your free speech rights.  This concept has been explained to you multiple times by multiple people and yet to continue to make this hyperbolic claim that you are being censored.  Your inability to obey the CoC or the TOS is not censorship. If you don't like the rules here there are 100s of other forums on the web that you can post your nonsensical religious screeds on.

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.29  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.27    7 years ago
Anyone who calls themselves pro choice is actually pro abortion.    

The difference between supporting the right of every woman to make the best choice to have an abortion or to carry the fetus to term is drastically different from the idea that someone intentionally gets pregnant with the goal of having an abortion. You can make this emotional BS claim but until you have proof that women are intentionally getting pregnant to have an abortion your claims are noting more than religious static.

What happened to the Bible command of telling the truth, or do you get to subjectively determine what is truth when it supports your far right agenda?

 
 
 
lady in black
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5.1.30  lady in black  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.27    7 years ago

Only in your narrow mind.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.1.32  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.26    7 years ago

Spare us the playing the victim routine! No one is buying it.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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5.1.33  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.27    7 years ago

You either have no idea what pro choice means, or you're trying to be disingenuous about it. Which is it?

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.34  epistte  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.31    7 years ago
So because he fucked her - she has no rights?  

Apparently when the penis of a conservative man pulls out he takes our constitutional rights with him. 

 
 
 
epistte
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5.1.36  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.35    7 years ago
The fact is that the tech industry in general from Facebook and Alphabet on down is rife with the repression and suppression of conservative opinion on line and not at the behest of government but because they can.  

It is a shame that you cannot prove that.

Those platforms are their own and if you don't like the rules than don't register to use their sites.  Go somewhere else or create your own  instead of whining about nonexistent political repression.  They have to answer to their advertisers and shareholders so they want to keep harassment and legal risk to a minimum.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6  Hal A. Lujah    8 years ago

The baby was alive, and then suddenly, I saw the catheter entered into the woman's uterus to basically remove the baby, and the baby tried to escape.

I wonder what it looks like when God (arguably the most prolific abortionist in human history) decides to abort them.  Equally heinous, I’m sure.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.1  MrFrost  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6    8 years ago
basically remove the baby, and the baby tried to escape.

A premature fetus can barely move but leave it to the right to make it seem like the fetus was sprinting around the room trying to get to an exit. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Participates
6.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  MrFrost @6.1    8 years ago

It was just playing solitaire, minding its own business.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
6.1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  MrFrost @6.1    8 years ago
A premature fetus can barely move

Not true. We had two premies ... one born at 36 weeks and the other at 35 weeks. My wife said they both were very active from the first time she could feel them. I could see their hands and feet pressing outward from my wife's abdomen weeks before they were born. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.1.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.2    8 years ago

Ummm ... nobody is aborting at 35 and 36 weeks.  Jeez.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
6.1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.3    8 years ago
Ummm ... nobody is aborting at 35 and 36 weeks.  Jeez.

I never said that they were. Please read comments  6.1   and my reply at   6.1.2  more carefully. Thank you.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6.1.5  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1.4    8 years ago

The discussion is about abortion, and you decided that premature at 35 or 36 weeks is somehow relevant.  However, I should correct my comment.  There is one unscrupulous abortionist who would think nothing of aborting at that stage ... and for some strange reason people get together on Sundays to shower it with praise.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
6.1.6  Jasper2529  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6.1.5    8 years ago
The discussion is about abortion

Perhaps you should inform Mr. Frost. He's the one who initially said that premature fetuses can barely move. I merely replied to his comment by offering my wife's and my experiences.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.3  cjcold  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @6    8 years ago

As a long time paramedic I can attest to the fact that spontaneous abortions are far more common.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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6.3.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  cjcold @6.3    8 years ago
As a long time paramedic I can attest to the fact that spontaneous abortions are far more common

Some studies show that 25% or more fertilized eggs either don't take or are miscarried. If there is a God making those decisions then it would be the largest abortion provider on the planet. Why do religious folk believe God should get to make that choice but the woman shouldn't? If that woman is an atheist and believes it's random chance making that choice, not any God, why should she let random chance make choices in her life instead of making those choices for herself? "Okay, this outcome will forever change the rest of my life on this planet, and likely the lives of everyone around me, let's just throw the dice instead of carefully making a plan, that sounds smart...". And since we are a secular society, why would anyone force their religious opinions or the opinions of an unproven God on other citizens against their will?

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Silent
7  Studiusbagus    8 years ago

Another right wing bullshit lie being passed off as the truth.

Do these folks just jump on any piece of meat? No wonder it's called "trolling" the hook got bit hard on this one...

Check thia out from wiki.....

Johnson's description of her conversion has been questioned. Planned Parenthood stated that its records do not show any ultrasound-guided abortions performed on the date Johnson says she witnessed the procedure, and the physician who performed abortions at the Bryan clinic stated that Johnson had never been asked to assist in an abortion. Although Johnson said the abortion was of a 13-week-old fetus, records from the Texas Department of Health show no such abortions performed at the Bryan clinic on the date in question. [8] According to a court petition filed by Planned Parenthood, Johnson was put on a "performance improvement plan" four days before her resignation. The petition says that following this she was seen "removing items" from the clinic and copying "confidential files

She lied and you took the bait.....This reminds me of all the made up right wing bullshit stories that kept getting seeded and debunked in 10 minutes. With the fake Obamacare horror stories

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Silent
7.1  lady in black  replied to  Studiusbagus @7    8 years ago

Basically this BS is an updated version of the infamous and fake silent scream video.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Silent
7.1.1  Studiusbagus  replied to  lady in black @7.1    8 years ago

just don't understand...why do they have to make shit up and then run away when they get exposed?

Look at O'keefe, this asshole was the darling and the finder of truth. He gets exposed for his lies he trolled the droolers with while committing crimes like wiretapping.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
7.2  Ender  replied to  Studiusbagus @7    8 years ago

Sounds like she as a bad employee, also sounds like she is a criminal and could have stolen people's personal information.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Silent
7.2.1  Studiusbagus  replied to  Ender @7.2    8 years ago

Yes...and here they go lining up behind another liar and criminal because they were told what they want to hear instead of the truth.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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8  MrFrost    8 years ago

The rights war on women marches on. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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8.2  Drakkonis  replied to  MrFrost @8    8 years ago

The left's war on personal responsibility marches on. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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8.2.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2    8 years ago

Seems to me that they're demanding the right to assume responsibility, which some would deny them.  Some would even deny them the right to assume responsibility for the results of being the victims of rape and incest.  It's sad that some must sometimes assume that responsibility, but it's a biological reality.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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8.2.2  Drakkonis  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8.2.1    8 years ago

Interesting that you have to narrow it down to abortion being only about something as specific as rape and incest in order to make your point vaguely work. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
8.2.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2.2    8 years ago

I didn't narrow it down.  You did.

Abortion is a method of taking responsibility for an unwanted pregnancy.  It might not be a method of which you approve, but that's irrelevant.  So long as these women are not asking you to either pay for their abortions or pay for their kids, they're taking responsibility.  

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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8.2.4  Drakkonis  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8.2.3    8 years ago

By terminating someone else's life? Kind of like a criminal terminating the life of a witness, don't you think? 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
8.2.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2.4    8 years ago

Would the fetus be testifying?  If not, no, nothing like terminating the life of a witness.

The mother's right to bodily autonomy supersedes the right of the fetus to use her body as a life support system.

Odd that it seems that God, who should be powerful enough that a pregnancy has no effect on Him, is perfectly justified in terminating pregnancies left, right, and center, while a woman whose pregnancy has a profound effect on her is not.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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8.2.6  Gordy327  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2    8 years ago
The left's war on personal responsibility marches on. 

Your sweeping generalization aside, having an abortion is taking responsibility.

By terminating someone else's life?

There is no other "someone" in an abortion. The only "life" that matters or is paramount is the woman in question.

Kind of like a criminal terminating the life of a witness, don't you think?

Not even a little. Nice apples to oranges though.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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8.2.7  Gordy327  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8.2.5    8 years ago
The mother's right to bodily autonomy supersedes the right of the fetus to use her body as a life support system.

Apparently, some people disagree with that position. Go figure.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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8.2.8  Drakkonis  replied to  Gordy327 @8.2.6    8 years ago
There is no other "someone" in an abortion.

Can you prove that? 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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8.2.9  Drakkonis  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8.2.5    8 years ago
Would the fetus be testifying?  If not, no, nothing like terminating the life of a witness.

LOL. I know you're smarter than that. I know you understand the parallel. The criminal terminates the witness because the criminal doesn't want to face the consequences of their action. The woman terminates the pregnancy because she doesn't want to face the consequences of her actions. 

Even so, yes, sometimes the fetus testifies. How many young women get abortions to keep their parents or others from finding out they got pregnant? How many women who cheated on their husbands? 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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8.2.10  sandy-2021492  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2.9    8 years ago

Abortion isn't a consequence?  Women go from PP to champagne brunches without missing a beat?

Is sex something deserving of punishment?  Something about which there needs to be testimony?  How sad.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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8.2.11  MrFrost  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8.2.10    8 years ago

There are some on the right that think a woman having an orgasm is something that should never happen. Misogyny, plain and simple. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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8.2.12  sandy-2021492  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2.8    8 years ago
Can you prove that?

I think that's backwards.  I think that, before you (generic you) go abolishing women's say over their own bodies, it's incumbent on you to prove that you have a compelling reason, an "other someone", for which to do so.  Else you relegate women to the status of "less than" another human (as distinct from another person), which is misogynistic, IMO.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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8.2.14  Gordy327  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2.8    8 years ago
Can you prove that?

Are you suggesting an embryo/fetus is a "someone," or person? It's not considered as such legally or scientifically. So consider that proof.

The criminal terminates the witness because the criminal doesn't want to face the consequences of their action. The woman terminates the pregnancy because she doesn't want to face the consequences of her actions.

You are trying to disingenuously equate abortion with murder. They are not the same.

Even so, yes, sometimes the fetus testifies.

Really? Cite a case where a fetus testified!

How many young women get abortions to keep their parents or others from finding out they got pregnant? How many women who cheated on their husbands?

Irrelevant. Getting an abortion for whatever reason is still a woman's right to choose. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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8.2.15  Drakkonis  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8.2.12    8 years ago
I think that's backwards.  I think that, before you (generic you) go abolishing women's say over their own bodies, it's incumbent on you to prove that you have a compelling reason, an "other someone", for which to do so. 

Right now, the reason abortion is legal is because a bunch of lawyers don't recognize the unborn as human beings. Even if I lost my faith in God and became an atheist, I will never understand how that can be a critically reasoned justification for abortion. What qualifies a lawyer to decide who's human and who isn't? 

Sometimes, when I see a laughing five year old, I wonder what if that child's mother had made another choice? I try to imagine that child just suddenly disappearing. Not being there. I look at a playground and wonder how many holes there are there? Holes where a child should have been running and laughing but aren't? I wonder how a woman can get an abortion and not wonder, five years later, what their child might be doing at this very moment had she chosen differently. I look at the wonderful, amazing children of my very liberal and progressive friend and his wife and wonder how easily they might not have been. I don't understand why someone can champion abortion but condemn the woman who leaves her newborn in the dumpster. 

I know the left wants to put it in terms of "right of the woman and her body" but I can't not think of it in terms of her deciding whether someone else will exist or not. 

Else you relegate women to the status of "less than" another human (as distinct from another person), which is misogynistic, IMO.

Yeah, I know. Everything's misogynistic. Sorry, but I don't see it that way. I don't think it's misogynistic to believe people have responsibility. I have the responsibility to not get a woman pregnant if we do not want to have a baby, therefore I act in a manner that prevents it. That's my responsibility as a man. It isn't to have sex just because I want to and leave her with the consequences. It's no different for a woman. If you find that misogynistic, so be it. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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8.2.16  Drakkonis  replied to  Gordy327 @8.2.14    8 years ago

Wow. This is an example of critical thinking, is it?

 
 
 
Veronica
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8.2.17  Veronica  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2.15    8 years ago
Sometimes, when I see a laughing five year old, I wonder what if that child's mother had made another choice? I try to imagine that child just suddenly disappearing.

You do realize if she had, you wouldn't have seen that 5 year old so never would have had that thought?

 
 
 
Veronica
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8.2.18  Veronica  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2.15    8 years ago
I don't think it's misogynistic to believe people have responsibility.

Termination is taking responsibility - just not the way you would like.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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8.2.19  sandy-2021492  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2.15    8 years ago
Sometimes, when I see a laughing five year old, I wonder what if that child's mother had made another choice?

What if her god made another choice?

I don't understand why someone can champion abortion but condemn the woman who leaves her newborn in the dumpster.

Because one is a choice made when the fetus depends on a woman who may or may not be a willing host to do its breathing and eating for it, and the other could easily be kept alive by another, willing person who makes a conscious choice to do so.

I don't think it's misogynistic to believe people have responsibility.

A woman who has an abortion is taking responsibility.  She's just not being punished for long enough, I suppose.

 
 
 
cjcold
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8.2.20  cjcold  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2    8 years ago

Seems that Trump has never taken any sort of personal responsibility in his whole perverted, abusive life.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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8.2.21  KDMichigan  replied to  cjcold @8.2.20    8 years ago

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Gordy327
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8.2.22  Gordy327  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2.16    8 years ago
Wow. This is an example of critical thinking, is it?

Perhaps. At the very least, it's an example of rational thinking. But your reply is an example of avoiding the points made.

Right now, the reason abortion is legal is because a bunch of lawyers don't recognize the unborn as human beings.

That's because they are not yet born or an individual. So they are not and should not be recognized as such, and for good reason.

Even if I lost my faith in God and became an atheist, I will never understand how that can be a critically reasoned justification for abortion.

What does faith or the lack thereof have to do with anything? nobody needs to justify anything for an abortion. it's a woman's right and choice. That's good enough. She need not justify her choice to you or anyone else!

What qualifies a lawyer to decide who's human and who isn't?

Lawyers merely argued that denying a woman the right to an abortion infringes on her personal rights and autonomy.

I don't understand why someone can champion abortion but condemn the woman who leaves her newborn in the dumpster.

No one is championing abortion. Only that a woman has the right to choose for herself. If anything, it's championing individual rights.

I know the left wants to put it in terms of "right of the woman and her body" but I can't not think of it in terms of her deciding whether someone else will exist or not.

That's because you're thinking emotionally rather than rationally.

Everything's misogynistic. Sorry, but I don't see it that way

Then you're probably wrong.

I don't think it's misogynistic to believe people have responsibility.

No one is saying they don't. But electing to have an abortion is taking responsibility.

I have the responsibility to not get a woman pregnant if we do not want to have a baby, therefore I act in a manner that prevents it. That's my responsibility as a man.

Great. And many women get pregnant anyway despite attempts to prevent pregnancy. Birth control can and does fail sometimes.

 
 
 
Veronica
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8.2.24  Veronica  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2.23    8 years ago

Termination is taking responsibility for one's actions - you just don't like it, but you don't have to.

So it is only murder when you say it is?

 
 
 
Gordy327
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8.2.25  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2.23    8 years ago
Termination is dodging responsibility.  

No it's not!

The bottom line.  

Other than 'who cares,' it's really none of your business anyway!

Exceptions being severe deformities, life of the mother, rape, and incest.  

Why have exceptions? Allowing abortion in some cases but not others seems rather hypocritical.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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8.2.26  Drakkonis  replied to  Veronica @8.2.17    8 years ago
You do realize if she had, you wouldn't have seen that 5 year old so never would have had that thought?

That would be incorrect. I think about all the people who aren't here because of abortion all the time. I wonder what they might have been like. What they may have grown up to be? I wonder what a woman's children might think if they learned that she aborted one of their siblings. Would they wonder, why did I get to live and they didn't? 

 
 
 
Veronica
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8.2.27  Veronica  replied to  Drakkonis @8.2.26    8 years ago

What people?  Are they male or female?  African American, European descent, Asian, Native American - do you have specific scenarios for each one?  What are their names?  How many do you think about in a day?  

Do you wonder about children killed via war?  Do you wonder if children that had parents that killed people during war think "why did I live and they didn't"?  Do you wonder what those children may have grown up to be?  Do you wonder about those things with murdered children (ones that actually LIVED) that die every day?  Are any of those worthy of your concern?  

If that is how you spend your days I feel sorry for you and your family because you must have no time left for worrying about your own family.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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8.2.29  Drakkonis  replied to  Veronica @8.2.27    8 years ago
What people?  Are they male or female?  African American, European descent, Asian, Native American - do you have specific scenarios for each one?  What are their names?  How many do you think about in a day?

Apparently you feel this is making some sort of point, but I can't imagine what it might be. 

Do you wonder about children killed via war? Do you wonder if children that had parents that killed people during war think "why did I live and they didn't"? Do you wonder what those children may have grown up to be? Do you wonder about those things with murdered children (ones that actually LIVED) that die every day? Are any of those worthy of your concern?

Yes, actually.  Still don't get your point, though. 

If that is how you spend your days I feel sorry for you and your family because you must have no time left for worrying about your own family.

Since I am a single male who never married and never had children I'm free to think about a lot of things. But even if I did have a family I don't see why that would be a barrier? Perhaps you can explain it? 

 
 
 
Veronica
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8.2.31  Veronica  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.30    8 years ago

No, I just think it is absurd to believe someone sits around all day making up scenarios about fetuses of people that they have never met & never will meet and has no clue as to the circumstances of those people.  If you want to believe that malarkey by all means go ahead.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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8.2.39  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2.37    7 years ago

It is when it's none of your business or concern!

 
 
 
Gordy327
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8.2.40  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2.38    7 years ago

It could also have made  this country a hell hole too. Is that the type of argument you really want to present?

 
 
 
epistte
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8.2.42  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2.37    7 years ago
Trying to preserve the life of an innocent preborn human baby 🍼 👶 is never a waste of time.  

You have no business trying to inject your religious mythology into the life or the medical decisions of another person.  It is her body and the decision to terminate the pregnancy is only her choice. 

 
 
 
epistte
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8.2.43  epistte  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.34    7 years ago
I bet he's paid for a lot of abortions.  He wanted Marla to abort.   He had sex with a porn star without a condom.  

If only Fred Trump had worn a condom more than 70 years ago. 

 
 
 
epistte
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8.2.44  epistte  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.41    7 years ago
Who came up with that pre born human baby garbage?

That emotional nonsense is very effective for people who don't want to or cannot think logically.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.2.47  Trout Giggles  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2.46    7 years ago

Then who would you condemn?

 
 
 
lady in black
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8.2.48  lady in black  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2.46    7 years ago

No one is pro abortion you saying and wishing it doesn't make it true.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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9  MrFrost    8 years ago

512

 
 
 
lady in black
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10  lady in black    8 years ago

George Carlin's words are so true:

Why, why, why, why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't wanna fuck in the first place? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked. Conservatives don't give a shit about you until you reach military age. Then they think you're just fine. Just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life... pro-life... These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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10.1  MrFrost  replied to  lady in black @10    8 years ago
Why, why, why,  why  is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't wanna fuck in the first place?

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif  So true! 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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10.2  lennylynx  replied to  lady in black @10    8 years ago

George Carlin was the greatest at explaining the way things really are! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
DRHunk
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13  DRHunk    8 years ago

I don't understand what the pro-lifers believe the benefits of preventing abortion are.  I only see benefits of allowing abortions i.e.

Less poor on welfare,

Less money needed for state funded medical care for the poor (Poor women get free care for pregnancy and delivery at tax payer expense) 

less drug use from poor children trying to escape their situation through mental alteration,

Less crowded jail from poor committing crimes,

population control which lowers unemployment and boosts the economy,

less strain on the tax payer,

less crowded adoption homes and more children able to be placed in foster care.

Greater future opportunity for the young adult getting the abortion

less need for a social safety net.

less people in general on that safety net allowing it to do more good

more high school graduates

more college graduates

less divorce

happier families

I am sure there are a few dozen more benefit of abortion, what are the benefits of not getting one again?

 
 
 
charger 383
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13.2  charger 383  replied to  DRHunk @13    8 years ago

very good list

 
 

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