Unplanned to expose the truth about PP
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A pro-life movie that is coming out next year is anticipated to destroy all the myths about abortion spread by left-wing media.
The film is titled, Unplanned: the Abby Johnson Story .
Johnson worked as the director of a Planned Parenthood in the Bryan/College Station area to the northwest of Houston, Texas, for about eight years – doing so because she wanted to help women.
Cary Solomon – the writer, director and producer of the movie – says that Johnson did not do abortions until they were shorthanded one day.
“In her own words, she said I'd done a lot of ultrasounds, but I had never seen a baby so completely as I did that day – hands moving, eyes, you know, everything … legs,” Solomon shared. “The baby was alive, and then suddenly, I saw the catheter entered into the woman's uterus to basically remove the baby, and the baby tried to escape.”
Needless to say, the escape was unsuccessfully. A tiny human being was denied life.
It was then that Johnson realized she had been the supervisor over the termination of 22,000 babies during her tenure. She subsequently resigned and joined the pro-life movement .
Solomon explained that Unplanned is a pro-life movie, but noted that it was not done in a fashion to condemn women who have experienced abortion.
“For women that have not had abortions or children or young girls that are considering it, we want them to realize that this is a baby,” the pro-life director asserted. “You have to contemplate that. You cannot buy into the myth of the media and of Planned Parenthood that it's not a baby.”
Already, Solomon's crew is working on opening the movie in as many theaters nationwide as possible, and so far, 500 have expressed interest.
Unplanned is slated to make its debut in March.
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“It was then that Johnson realized she had been the supervisor over the termination of 22,000 babies during her tenure. She subsequently resigned and joined the pro-life movement .
Solomon explained that Unplanned is a pro-life movie, but noted that it was not done in a fashion to condemn women who have experienced abortion.
“For women that have not had abortions or children or young girls that are considering it, we want them to realize that this is a baby,” the pro-life director asserted. “You have to contemplate that. You cannot buy into the myth of the media and of Planned Parenthood that it's not a baby.””
You want them to imagine a newly fertilized egg is "a baby". You want them to imagine a kidney bean sized zygote is "a baby". Why? It's not your newly fertilized egg. It's not your body the newly fertilized egg is in. The myth is that there is some invisible magical immortal "soul" created at conception. The myth is that supposedly "pro-life" people are actually pro-life. Their desire to get involved with another persons life to save what they imagine is a baby only applies until it's born. Once the child's out the taboo "forbidden Zone", they can't get away fast enough taking their wallets with them, they just can't afford to stay and help out every hungry mouth.
"A tiny human being was denied life."
The fact it it's not a "tiny human", it's a potential human, but so is a sperm. Are you going to lock up every 13 year old boy going through puberty? And just because it's merged with a cell doesn't instantly make it a human, it's still just a potential human. The law in our country has ruled that it is only a potential human up to viability and therefore it is legal to terminate a pregnancy before that point. I have potential to be an airline pilot, but I've never flown a plane before, am I a pilot? I have the potential to be President of the United States, I meet all the legal requirements, does that mean I'm the President and the secret service should risk their lives to protect mine? Of course not, because just because you have the "potential" to be something doesn't make you that something. A newly fertilized egg isn't a human, a zygote isn't a human, an embryo isn't a human and a fetus isn't a human. To be human, according to our laws, you have to be able to live outside the womb no longer attached to the mother. That is the current definition of viability in our current law.
The sperm without the egg is not a person and vice versa. Combine them and they become human. What the woman portrayed in the movie saw was a real human baby being killed and it caused her to get out of the hell hole that is planned Parenthood and come over to the right side. I can’t wait to watch the movie.
All very true... The vast majority of this issue is is all about control. They just don't want women making decisions about their own bodies with a males say so. It's still that, "male go out and gather food, woman stay home and cook it and drop as many calves as possible" attitude.
So, forced major surgery for women?
You're paying, right? And supporting her both physically and financially while she recovers? And paying for medical care for the preemie, who is likely to need a lot of it?
Neither is a clump of cells.
No, they become a zygote-a single undifferentiated cell. Basic embryology.
No, what she saw was a fetus. She just happened to also get emotional about it.
But only if they're past the point of viability and usually with medical intervention.
92% of all abortions occur at or before 12 weeks. The earliest a premature fetus has survived outside the womb was 21 weeks. The reality is the so called "late term" abortions occur relatively rarely and are almost always used only to save the life of the mother. There just aren't a lot of perspective moms waiting until they're bellies are distended and the baby's nearly fully formed before deciding to terminate. The ones who are at that stage are planning to have the child and it's almost always some major health issue with either the mother or the baby that prompts the decision to terminate in those cases.
Your silly ideas would create a very common scenario of a woman being charged with manslaughter because she has a spontaneous miscarriage before the end of the 1st trimester. That happens about 20% of the time. Is that your idea of a small govenment.
Go pound sand because of another emotional idea because in religious BS. Until someone is forced to have an abortion against their will or someone is forced to work at PP then you have nothing to complain about.
No fetus is about to survive outside the womb at the current 23 week limit for voluntary abortion.
prove it wally
She saw a young human baby. That is what he/she was before their execution at the hands of the abortionist. This movie is going to show that it’s not a clump of cells but a real human baby being killed by an abortion.
And I see bunnies in the clouds.
Those looked like kitties to me.
Those are bunnies.
Just like the debunked silent scream...MORE bs
Was a lie and she got busted lying. It's only the easily led now that perpetuates the lie.
You asked me in another seed...I'll let you answer it yourself.
Does a true patriot perpetuate a lie to their fellow Americans?
Pp said she was lying, the doctor said she is lying and the state of Texas has confirmed she lied.
But a so called "true patriot" has ignored this fact, and is promoting a lie to their fellow Americans.
Americans shouldn't lie to other Americans ...especially one who professes to be a christian as well.
Put yourself outside that situation...would you really think to believe that person to be Christian and a Patriotic American if they deceive other Americans on a regular basis?
No,no,no.....here's the kicker..she didn't see any of that. It's all bullshit. She never assisted on an abortion, there's no record of an abortion of 13 weeks done then and the State of Texas said there were no reports of that.or any 13 week termination then
Lies lies lies
Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.
I've noticed pro-lifers are not above lying when it comes to their anti-abortion agenda. They tend to ignore facts in favor of either lies and/or emotional appeals. For example, this was perhaps best exemplified by the whole "baby parts" video fiasco a few years back.
it's all about control and imposing their religious views on everyone else, period. Their god causes more abortions and has taken away more human life than any one human could ever imagine doing themselves - yet that's ok. They don't want people having control over their own lives nor their own bodies (for women), they want everyone controlled through the lens of their belief in their god.
This environmental scientist is already seeing the depredations of overpopulation.
It has the potential to be a human baby.
But so the fuck what? How is it any of your business? Are you going to volunteer to carry the fetus for 40 weeks and suffer all the garbage that goes with pregnancy? Somehow I doubt it.
When a human being is murdered just for the convenience of another person, it becomes everyone's business. If a fetus has a separate genetic pattern from its parents, it is a human being.
Neither can a very old person or someone who has had a stroke. Perhaps we should think of just killing them too. So much cheaper and more convenient than taking care of them.
Probably should consider softening your allegation. Claiming that Trout does not give a shit about human life goes light years beyond what she has explained to you.
An apology is in order IMO.
Why do you think that a woman's decision to have an abortion is "just for convenience"?
Do you think that a woman doesn't consider her own physical, mental and financial health in the decision?
Even when there's a sperm, egg, and zygote, it's still not a baby.
"Will be," future tense, as in it is not YET a baby. An acorn is not yet a tree.
Spare us your ad hom attack and emotional platitude.
That's a somewhat libelous statement.
There is no murder being committed, as abortion is not murder. Neither is there a human being being murdered. And no, another person's personal/medical decisions are NOT your nor anyone else's business, no matter how much you sanctimoniously want to believe otherwise!
Sounds more like a parasite then.
I'm all for assisted suicide or withdrawal of care. But then, like the abortion choice, that is not my decision nor is it my place to say what another person can or cannot do.
I care about human life....when it's breathing on its own.
You've never carried a child to term, so why don't you go blather your bullshit to somebody who gives a flying fuck
That is cherrypicking to present a distorted view of the sentiment.
Yes, I agree that we have different standards compared to the pro abortion side.
I sleep just fine, thank you. But your apparent dismissal only reinforces my statement.
Weird that no one was arrested for murder. Oh wait, that's because it wasn't murder.
The SCOTUS ruled that a fetus has no rights. Deal with it.
A fetus cannot talk, walk, breathe on it's own, vote, go shopping, balance the household budget, drive a car, get married, smoke, make pancakes or a whole host of other things an actual human can do... A fetus is a parasite, (by definition), it requires a host to survive. The right screams that they are for more individual freedoms, just not for women.
1) Even the bible says that life begins at first breath, not at the moment of conception.
2) God is the ultimate abortionist.
Why is it that the right wants to force women to have a child, but then votes to cut;
Health care for the poor
Education for the poor
Shelter for the poor
Food for the poor
Doesn't sound to me like they give two shits about these babies they want to make sure are born at any cost.
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It never ceases to amaze me that some of these turds feel that the woman carrying the fetus should have rights SECONDARY to the fetus she is carrying. That's some of the most backward fucked up logic I have ever heard of.
3%.....that's how much of PP is devoted to doing abortions and the right wants to see them all shut down? That's a bit like buying a new Mercedes and taking it to the junk yard the next day because it has a flat tire.
Yep. Weird that far right wingers care for fetuses more than they care for babies and their mothers.
That concern for the fetus ends as soon as it is outside of the mother's body. This isn't about being pro-life. It's about being forced birth and controlling the life decisions of others as a way to maintain patriarchal control over society. They want to force women to carry a pregnancy to term and then claim that it is entirely her job to raise it without public assistance because she chose to get pregnant. If she wants to have an abortion or take RU486 then it is very likely that she didn't choose to get pregnant but you cannot convince a person who believes that their god talks to them to accept reality.
FAKE NEWS
She lied and so many on the right brought biscuits to sop it up.
Like shooting fish in a barrel
Just another lying made up story
Many ordinary people when they see the process of abortion first hand realize that it really is a baby that is being killed and become pro life at that point. This movie is in fact documenting a true story of a real person that used to work for PP until she saw first hand what an abortion does, kill a human baby.
It is NOT a baby, it is a fetus and this movie is more BS from a liar who was fired from her job, who NEVER witnessed shit because it didn't happen.
And most reasonable people have at least a passing knowledge of embryology and know it's not a baby, but rather an embryo/fetus.
It's not a baby until it's born. So if the documentary says it's a baby, then it's a lie.
even planned parenthood disagrees with that.
A basic answer like, “ Babies grow in a mom’s belly, and then come out of her vagina,” might be enough information for them.
Good grief. You want to cite information meant for preschoolers as a source for proper terminology regarding embryology?
embryology is about the start of the "life cycle"
abortion is the end of that "life cycle" regardless if one uses the term zygot or baby.
saying someone is not alive until they are born is pure BS
We're talking terminology here. Do you generally look for precise biological terminology in sources aimed at the under-five crowd?
Maybe NASA should be using "Newtonion Physics for the Nursery" for their next mission.
I use scientifically accurate terms, not preschool level terminology or explanations. In utero, it's not a baby. It's a zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus.. Calling it a "baby" is not only inaccurate, it's also false or a lie, meant to emotionally appeal to those who do not know any better or are otherwise easily swayed by emotion.
regardless of what you want to call it..... it is alive.
and abortion kills life.
dehumanizing life makes it easier to kill
end of discussion.
So does amoxicillin.
Nobody is arguing over whether it's alive. It does not have the rights superseding those of the woman carrying it.
it is "human life" and abortion is the taking of human life.
never said it did.
if that zygot - fetus - baby (whatever one calls it) threatens the health/life of the mother I have no problem with abortion.
You must be all for forced organ donation, then, bodily autonomy being a meaningless concept and all.
Human lives end due to lack of available kidneys and livers pretty frequently.
Used to live on Colfax within walking distance of Mile High during the Elway days and tailgated every week. Now live in KC and my Chiefs are kicking ass! Seriously enjoy tailgating KC BBQ style.
I call it what it is.
So? Whether it's alive or not is not really the issue here.
By that logic, taking antibiotics is akin to abortion.
Emotional rhetoric.
Good. You didn't have much of a discussion to offer anyway.
Not yet it's not.
More emotional rhetoric. By that *ahem* logic, skin cells are also "human life" and I'm aborting them everytime I scratch some off my @ss.
Some of us will call it for what it is. But it's not a baby until birth-simple fact!
Whether you have a problem with abortion or not for whatever reason is irrelevant, as it's none of your business if anyone wants an abortion for whatever reason. Don't like abortion? Then don't have one! As you say, end of discussion!
the fact it is a human life is the ONLY issue here.
ya see... some people do not treat humans as cattle,
those people do not care what term is used to describe human life be it zygot or baby.
funny thing about laws.
all my life weed was illegal... now not so much.
im fairly certain the question of when the taking of a humans life is OK, is much bigger than the question of when smoking a doobie is OK. and therefore subject to change over time as well.
ok, which human life - the potential human or the already existing human woman (Mother) who's carrying that potential human ? no issues with the already existing human woman having rights to medical decisions concerning her own body and the potential human inside of it ?
very true - i don't see women as breeding cattle nor breeding mares and don't treat them that way either. but some people certainly do treat women that way and wish to enforce it legally it seems.
it's odd that they don't care about science nor facts, but that's their choice
which human life is ok to take ? the potential human life or the already existing human life inside of the Mother carrying it ? is it considered the "taking of a human life" when miscarriages happen since the Mother's human body effectively aborted the potential human inside of it ? so many questions..... and a very complex and complicated subject.... also seems to be more than just "human life" as the issue...
if you follow the whole conversation from top to bottom I was very clear on that issue.
cheers and happy new year
i'm well aware since i read it before i replied - thusly my reply .
cheers and happy new year
I’m going to spend most of the rest of the evening with family and friends and only be here briefly from time to time between now and midnight or so pacific time. So let’s bring in the new year by continuing in a civil discussion.
nothing uncivil about it so far, why would you think otherwise ? is wishing someone a Happy New Year considered uncivil ?
Why are you being uncivil now? Do you have to argue with me no matter what I say? Did you miss the word continue? Do you have a clue what that might mean? It means I said to continue to be civil, which implies it was, at least until you came along. Why would you presume that wishing someone a happy new year would be uncivil in my opinion?
No, it's not, despite your attempt to make it so.
But some seem to prefer women to be breeding mares by trying to limit or prohibit abortion.
It seems you don't know what the correct term is, despite being told what it is.
There was never any logical reason to make weed illegal. But that is otherwise a Red herring.
There is no question. Taking human life is not ok, except for self defense. But a zygote/embryo/fetus is not yet human and abortion is generally ok up to the point of viability.
The difference is, abortion is considered a right and rights are not subject to legal change or removal. Neither has there ever been such an instance of a right being revoked by the courts once it has been granted or recognized.
yes, it is, despite your attempt to say it is not.
another interesting fact...
you can not tell other people what is important to them.
write this down for future reference
so is the right to bear arms but the left is constantly trying to change that.
how about background checks and safety courses before an abortion?
regulate clinics out of existence or make abortions too expensive to use.
like the left tries to do with guns and bullets
maybe we start there
I was only being facetious above
but... ya know.... I do think it is time for some common sense abortion laws
mandatory ultrasound of the fetus/baby while the doctor explains the procedure and other options in full.
the supreme court will have no problem with an "informed patient"
and let's get the supreme court to decide if just one foot/toe is still in the birth canal.... partial-birth abortion... look it up.
does that mean it is a fetus? or a human baby with rights? (there is potential legal movement here)
but of course, all this will take time, and will have to start with a public awareness campaign like the movie we are talking about.
and after watching the left for decades, I reckon all we have to do is...
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it, and then normalize it over time.
cheers
No, it's not. No matter what you might think otherwise.
Irrelevant. What someone considers important is subjective and doesn't change the fact that abortion is a right and none of your business where another's choice is concerned.
Maybe you can start with something other than strawman arguments.
How is that common sense? It's unnecessary and clearly an attempt to emotionally sway a woman's decision.
Another strawman. Partial birth abortions are generally not allowed except in cases of medical necessity. At a late stage of gestation, a C-section would more likely be performed.
Until it's born, it's a fetus.
So you mean lie? Got it.
Good points well made!
The movie is the true story of a real person that used to work for the evil PP who found out what abortion really does and as a result switched to the good side.
I see you didn't address post 1.1.17 questioning the credibility of this so called movie.
No the movie is bs since this woman never witnessed what she claimed to witness unless the Texas Health Department lied
you wrote this:
which in English states the discussion was no longer civil with my comment (or else you wouldn't have replied to specifically me) and you wish for me to continue commenting, but only in a "civil" discussion since apparently you didn't consider it "civil" with my comment.
exactly - you are stating that i was not civil, which is why i wrote:
would you mind answering the questions instead of trying to dodge them ? Thanks
i don't think it is uncivil - but apparently you do which is why i'm asking the question.
Have you had an abortion? If not then you have no idea what happens in the clinic offices. Ultrasounds make no sense since women tend to know that when they are pregnant they are developing a life. Doctors in the clinics go over the procedure in detail and there are therapists/counselors on hand to go over ALL the options a woman has at her disposal.
I am sick to death of people thinking that women have no clue as to what being pregnant means and that run to clinics to terminate with no facts and on a whim.
The mandatory ultrasounds people insist on are not the non-invasive ultrasounds they're thinking of. I don't think they realize that the mandatory ultrasounds they are insisting upon are the internal ultrasounds where a friggin probe is shoved up a woman's twat and moved around to get the images.
Now that's rape.
Yea, but they would say it is what she deserved...
That is messed up thinking
I've seen them and those probes are scary as hell. I've been fortunate to not ever have to endure that particular form of torture.
Geeze, Tessy, I'm sorry
You and I both have come across people that truly believe that. It is messed up, but we both know it is thought by some. I never knew people believed such horrible things until I was told on the "other" forum that it would be better if my daughter died during a pregnancy rather than terminate because she wasn't innocent and the "baby" was. It sickens me to think that in the 21st century some people still see women as brood mares, evil "Eves", temptresses, and unless pregnant or a mother completely useless to society.
awww....shucks
complete and utter BS....
embryology is the study of the stages in the beginning of the human life cycle
the science is clear... kill an embryo = kill a human life.
you first
Embryology is the field of biology that studies the development (and gestation) of the embryo and fetus. That study can be applied to any animal species, including humans. But the issue isn't really whether it's deemed "life" or not.
Not quite. Kill an embryo means kill an embryo. It has not yet become a "human life." Otherwise, your entire comment sounds rather emotionally charged or motivated.
no matter how ya spin things... terminating any life cycle is terminating life.
regardless if it is human, animal, or plant life.
you don't have to care which life is which...
but you don't get to tell other people how to think or what they care about either.
No spin. Just simple fact.
So? Is that supposed to mean anything? Or is that just some attempt at an appeal to emotion?
I've done no such thing.
"The sperm without an egg...…………………………" And more stupid life hating right wing fetus worship bullcrap. KAG? This drivel have a point?
Want to have a kid? Have the damn thing.
Don't want a kid? Don't.
Raising children has nothing to do and is not the business of the 'want to stick a cross up your arse' folk.
Well I actually do take care of kids others wouldn’t or couldn’t and I’ll continue to do so as long as my health allows.
Good for you. Ante up.
You may have a cookie.
White chocolate macadamia please
sure to be a cinematic blockbuster among hypocritical scumbags that can't mind their own fucking business
Not your uterus, NOT your decision.
What kind of father doesn’t love and protect his child in its developmental stages? If I create a living fetus I definitely feel I should be a participant in decisions regarding the health and well-being of the fetus. How can one say it is half yours but you have no say in the care and medical treatment a fetus needs then turn around a few months later and claim the male is indeed responsible for the same living organism? How can it be that it is his living sperm then it isn’t, then it is again?
I’m pro choice but certainly don’t feel the pregnancy and cost of medical care and decisions regarding the fetus should not be shared equally and the child belongs to to parents equally. They entered into a partnership when they decided to create the fetus and saying the father has no responsibility in the care of the fetus is not fair to the female or the male.
It's still not his body.
They entered into a partnership when they decided to create the fetus
Come on, Dean. The partnership was about sex, not procreation. People who want to have a baby rarely opt to have an abortion.
When a man can give birth then he can decide what would be best for him, but that will never happen so the final decision is the woman's.
No we are now on the forefront of that technology.
Yea, I am sure that's what God intended.
Technology notwithstanding, when men can give birth then men can have a say what happens to their body otherwise it's still the woman's choice what to do with an unplanned pregnancy
I don’t believe in Gods only what we know to exist and we know we have the technology or soon will in the near future.
When we do, men will have say over their own bodies. Until then, I make medical decisions for me, being the most concerned party involved. It's my health being risked by pregnancy.
Immaterial. It's not his body and it's not his choice!
When you get pregnant, then you can have a say in those decisions.
You're not the one getting pregnant and enduring all the changes and potential complications of pregnancy. Otherwise, see previous statement.
Apparently, he surrendered ownership when he ejaculated.
Pregnancy is not an equal partnership. The woman bears the burden of it.
No, they just decided to have sex. That doesn't equate to wanting a pregnancy. Neither should the woman be forced to endure one against her will if she does not.
As an ex paramedic who has delivered many babies I'm here to say that I am glad that I'm a male. Luckily the first that I delivered on the road was from a woman who was having her fifth. She talked me through what was obviously my first solo delivery. She was calm and didn't scream as many do. Mother and child were healthy.
Had a breach once and was told on the radio to reach in and turn it around. I did and they both lived.
My favorite quote was from a teenager who was having her first, she screamed "it was sure a lot more fun getting this inside me than it is getting it out".
I fully support choice and have operated as an escort at planned parenthood clinics who were being protested by religious zealots who would harass ladies coming in for cancer screening or medical checkups for themselves and the fetuses that they wanted to keep and healthily deliver.
The vast majority of what planned parenthood does is see to it that women and their progeny are healthy.
So, I take it you believe every sperm is sacred so you've never callously taken care of business yourself, right? No crusty socks in your drawer, no shower drain auqunauts sent to an early water grave then?
A man has a virtually unlimited supply of little swimmers while a woman has a limited supply of eggs. That means it truly is the woman who should get to decide whether she wants to keep the fertilized egg or not. There's always plenty more fertilizer where that came from...
Some women and some men have wild passionate unprotected sex. Been there did that.
Some women become impregnated due to the failure of a birth control device. Should have bought the extra large.
Some women are much smarter than some men and seek the services of Planned Parenthood.
Some men are wise as well. Planned Parenthood does not discriminate. A girlfriend dragged me in as a teen for STD screening for both of us and I have been a fan ever since (we both were negative so we fucked liked bunnies).
In this day and age, one can't be too careful.
He doesn't control my body either. It's my body and it's entirely my choice.
What happened to your previous claimed pro-freedom libertarian beliefs, or does that only apply to you and not to others?
When a man can give birth, abortion will suddenly be a constitutional right and they will be able to have one at Hooters and BW3 while they watch football at no cost with 2 weeks paid leave afterward.
What’s different I said I was pro choice how does that not fit witth being a libertarian?
The father doesn't get to make medical decisions for her just because he was involved in the conception! It's her body and it's only her choice to terminate or carry to term.
Robin Williams once said if a man wants to know what it feels like to give birth...Shit a 16 lb bowling ball.
One lady in the throes and pain of delivery looked over to her husband and screamed "you are never, ever fucking me again!"
I spent 4 years having one surgery after another, I was in a hospital for 2 years. You have no idea what men can handle so stop pretending that you know what pain is.
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No one is pro abortion
Wow, a sweeping generalization and disingenuousness all in one comment. Good job. BTW, it's also irrelevant.
Just forget about speaking ones mind around here as it surely will be censored if it’s on the wrong side.
Anyone who calls themselves pro choice is actually pro abortion.
Unless you can prove that you have been banned or had comments deleted by Perrie at the behest of the government you have not been censored because your free speech rights do not apply on private property websites. Censorship only applies if the government is limited your free speech rights. This concept has been explained to you multiple times by multiple people and yet to continue to make this hyperbolic claim that you are being censored. Your inability to obey the CoC or the TOS is not censorship. If you don't like the rules here there are 100s of other forums on the web that you can post your nonsensical religious screeds on.
The difference between supporting the right of every woman to make the best choice to have an abortion or to carry the fetus to term is drastically different from the idea that someone intentionally gets pregnant with the goal of having an abortion. You can make this emotional BS claim but until you have proof that women are intentionally getting pregnant to have an abortion your claims are noting more than religious static.
What happened to the Bible command of telling the truth, or do you get to subjectively determine what is truth when it supports your far right agenda?
Only in your narrow mind.
Spare us the playing the victim routine! No one is buying it.
You either have no idea what pro choice means, or you're trying to be disingenuous about it. Which is it?
Apparently when the penis of a conservative man pulls out he takes our constitutional rights with him.
The fact is that the tech industry in general from Facebook and Alphabet on down is rife with the repression and suppression of conservative opinion on line and not at the behest of government but because they can.
It is a shame that you cannot prove that.
Those platforms are their own and if you don't like the rules than don't register to use their sites. Go somewhere else or create your own instead of whining about nonexistent political repression. They have to answer to their advertisers and shareholders so they want to keep harassment and legal risk to a minimum.
The baby was alive, and then suddenly, I saw the catheter entered into the woman's uterus to basically remove the baby, and the baby tried to escape.
I wonder what it looks like when God (arguably the most prolific abortionist in human history) decides to abort them. Equally heinous, I’m sure.
A premature fetus can barely move but leave it to the right to make it seem like the fetus was sprinting around the room trying to get to an exit.
It was just playing solitaire, minding its own business.
Not true. We had two premies ... one born at 36 weeks and the other at 35 weeks. My wife said they both were very active from the first time she could feel them. I could see their hands and feet pressing outward from my wife's abdomen weeks before they were born.
Ummm ... nobody is aborting at 35 and 36 weeks. Jeez.
I never said that they were. Please read comments 6.1 and my reply at 6.1.2 more carefully. Thank you.
The discussion is about abortion, and you decided that premature at 35 or 36 weeks is somehow relevant. However, I should correct my comment. There is one unscrupulous abortionist who would think nothing of aborting at that stage ... and for some strange reason people get together on Sundays to shower it with praise.
Perhaps you should inform Mr. Frost. He's the one who initially said that premature fetuses can barely move. I merely replied to his comment by offering my wife's and my experiences.
As a long time paramedic I can attest to the fact that spontaneous abortions are far more common.
Some studies show that 25% or more fertilized eggs either don't take or are miscarried. If there is a God making those decisions then it would be the largest abortion provider on the planet. Why do religious folk believe God should get to make that choice but the woman shouldn't? If that woman is an atheist and believes it's random chance making that choice, not any God, why should she let random chance make choices in her life instead of making those choices for herself? "Okay, this outcome will forever change the rest of my life on this planet, and likely the lives of everyone around me, let's just throw the dice instead of carefully making a plan, that sounds smart...". And since we are a secular society, why would anyone force their religious opinions or the opinions of an unproven God on other citizens against their will?
Another right wing bullshit lie being passed off as the truth.
Do these folks just jump on any piece of meat? No wonder it's called "trolling" the hook got bit hard on this one...
Check thia out from wiki.....
She lied and you took the bait.....This reminds me of all the made up right wing bullshit stories that kept getting seeded and debunked in 10 minutes. With the fake Obamacare horror stories
Basically this BS is an updated version of the infamous and fake silent scream video.
just don't understand...why do they have to make shit up and then run away when they get exposed?
Look at O'keefe, this asshole was the darling and the finder of truth. He gets exposed for his lies he trolled the droolers with while committing crimes like wiretapping.
Sounds like she as a bad employee, also sounds like she is a criminal and could have stolen people's personal information.
Yes...and here they go lining up behind another liar and criminal because they were told what they want to hear instead of the truth.
The rights war on women marches on.
The left's war on personal responsibility marches on.
Seems to me that they're demanding the right to assume responsibility, which some would deny them. Some would even deny them the right to assume responsibility for the results of being the victims of rape and incest. It's sad that some must sometimes assume that responsibility, but it's a biological reality.
Interesting that you have to narrow it down to abortion being only about something as specific as rape and incest in order to make your point vaguely work.
I didn't narrow it down. You did.
Abortion is a method of taking responsibility for an unwanted pregnancy. It might not be a method of which you approve, but that's irrelevant. So long as these women are not asking you to either pay for their abortions or pay for their kids, they're taking responsibility.
By terminating someone else's life? Kind of like a criminal terminating the life of a witness, don't you think?
Would the fetus be testifying? If not, no, nothing like terminating the life of a witness.
The mother's right to bodily autonomy supersedes the right of the fetus to use her body as a life support system.
Odd that it seems that God, who should be powerful enough that a pregnancy has no effect on Him, is perfectly justified in terminating pregnancies left, right, and center, while a woman whose pregnancy has a profound effect on her is not.
Your sweeping generalization aside, having an abortion is taking responsibility.
There is no other "someone" in an abortion. The only "life" that matters or is paramount is the woman in question.
Not even a little. Nice apples to oranges though.
Apparently, some people disagree with that position. Go figure.
Can you prove that?
LOL. I know you're smarter than that. I know you understand the parallel. The criminal terminates the witness because the criminal doesn't want to face the consequences of their action. The woman terminates the pregnancy because she doesn't want to face the consequences of her actions.
Even so, yes, sometimes the fetus testifies. How many young women get abortions to keep their parents or others from finding out they got pregnant? How many women who cheated on their husbands?
Abortion isn't a consequence? Women go from PP to champagne brunches without missing a beat?
Is sex something deserving of punishment? Something about which there needs to be testimony? How sad.
There are some on the right that think a woman having an orgasm is something that should never happen. Misogyny, plain and simple.
I think that's backwards. I think that, before you (generic you) go abolishing women's say over their own bodies, it's incumbent on you to prove that you have a compelling reason, an "other someone", for which to do so. Else you relegate women to the status of "less than" another human (as distinct from another person), which is misogynistic, IMO.
Are you suggesting an embryo/fetus is a "someone," or person? It's not considered as such legally or scientifically. So consider that proof.
You are trying to disingenuously equate abortion with murder. They are not the same.
Really? Cite a case where a fetus testified!
Irrelevant. Getting an abortion for whatever reason is still a woman's right to choose.
Right now, the reason abortion is legal is because a bunch of lawyers don't recognize the unborn as human beings. Even if I lost my faith in God and became an atheist, I will never understand how that can be a critically reasoned justification for abortion. What qualifies a lawyer to decide who's human and who isn't?
Sometimes, when I see a laughing five year old, I wonder what if that child's mother had made another choice? I try to imagine that child just suddenly disappearing. Not being there. I look at a playground and wonder how many holes there are there? Holes where a child should have been running and laughing but aren't? I wonder how a woman can get an abortion and not wonder, five years later, what their child might be doing at this very moment had she chosen differently. I look at the wonderful, amazing children of my very liberal and progressive friend and his wife and wonder how easily they might not have been. I don't understand why someone can champion abortion but condemn the woman who leaves her newborn in the dumpster.
I know the left wants to put it in terms of "right of the woman and her body" but I can't not think of it in terms of her deciding whether someone else will exist or not.
Yeah, I know. Everything's misogynistic. Sorry, but I don't see it that way. I don't think it's misogynistic to believe people have responsibility. I have the responsibility to not get a woman pregnant if we do not want to have a baby, therefore I act in a manner that prevents it. That's my responsibility as a man. It isn't to have sex just because I want to and leave her with the consequences. It's no different for a woman. If you find that misogynistic, so be it.
Wow. This is an example of critical thinking, is it?
You do realize if she had, you wouldn't have seen that 5 year old so never would have had that thought?
Termination is taking responsibility - just not the way you would like.
What if her god made another choice?
Because one is a choice made when the fetus depends on a woman who may or may not be a willing host to do its breathing and eating for it, and the other could easily be kept alive by another, willing person who makes a conscious choice to do so.
A woman who has an abortion is taking responsibility. She's just not being punished for long enough, I suppose.
Seems that Trump has never taken any sort of personal responsibility in his whole perverted, abusive life.
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Perhaps. At the very least, it's an example of rational thinking. But your reply is an example of avoiding the points made.
That's because they are not yet born or an individual. So they are not and should not be recognized as such, and for good reason.
What does faith or the lack thereof have to do with anything? nobody needs to justify anything for an abortion. it's a woman's right and choice. That's good enough. She need not justify her choice to you or anyone else!
Lawyers merely argued that denying a woman the right to an abortion infringes on her personal rights and autonomy.
No one is championing abortion. Only that a woman has the right to choose for herself. If anything, it's championing individual rights.
That's because you're thinking emotionally rather than rationally.
Then you're probably wrong.
No one is saying they don't. But electing to have an abortion is taking responsibility.
Great. And many women get pregnant anyway despite attempts to prevent pregnancy. Birth control can and does fail sometimes.
Termination is dodging responsibility. The bottom line. Exceptions being severe deformities, life of the mother, rape, and incest.
Termination is taking responsibility for one's actions - you just don't like it, but you don't have to.
So it is only murder when you say it is?
No it's not!
Other than 'who cares,' it's really none of your business anyway!
Why have exceptions? Allowing abortion in some cases but not others seems rather hypocritical.
That would be incorrect. I think about all the people who aren't here because of abortion all the time. I wonder what they might have been like. What they may have grown up to be? I wonder what a woman's children might think if they learned that she aborted one of their siblings. Would they wonder, why did I get to live and they didn't?
What people? Are they male or female? African American, European descent, Asian, Native American - do you have specific scenarios for each one? What are their names? How many do you think about in a day?
Do you wonder about children killed via war? Do you wonder if children that had parents that killed people during war think "why did I live and they didn't"? Do you wonder what those children may have grown up to be? Do you wonder about those things with murdered children (ones that actually LIVED) that die every day? Are any of those worthy of your concern?
If that is how you spend your days I feel sorry for you and your family because you must have no time left for worrying about your own family.
Exactly. You are 100% correct in that comment.
Apparently you feel this is making some sort of point, but I can't imagine what it might be.
Yes, actually. Still don't get your point, though.
Since I am a single male who never married and never had children I'm free to think about a lot of things. But even if I did have a family I don't see why that would be a barrier? Perhaps you can explain it?
No, I just think it is absurd to believe someone sits around all day making up scenarios about fetuses of people that they have never met & never will meet and has no clue as to the circumstances of those people. If you want to believe that malarkey by all means go ahead.
Trying to preserve the life of an innocent preborn human baby 🍼 👶 is never a waste of time.
Thinking of all the contributions that those who never got to be born because of what their mother and a technician did could have made to this great country is a sobering thing to do.
It is when it's none of your business or concern!
It could also have made this country a hell hole too. Is that the type of argument you really want to present?
You have no business trying to inject your religious mythology into the life or the medical decisions of another person. It is her body and the decision to terminate the pregnancy is only her choice.
If only Fred Trump had worn a condom more than 70 years ago.
That emotional nonsense is very effective for people who don't want to or cannot think logically.
We could say the same thing about the parents of pro abortion leaders, politicians, and celebrities.
Then who would you condemn?
No one is pro abortion you saying and wishing it doesn't make it true.
George Carlin's words are so true:
Why, why, why, why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't wanna fuck in the first place? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked. Conservatives don't give a shit about you until you reach military age. Then they think you're just fine. Just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life... pro-life... These people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.
George Carlin was the greatest at explaining the way things really are!
I don't understand what the pro-lifers believe the benefits of preventing abortion are. I only see benefits of allowing abortions i.e.
Less poor on welfare,
Less money needed for state funded medical care for the poor (Poor women get free care for pregnancy and delivery at tax payer expense)
less drug use from poor children trying to escape their situation through mental alteration,
Less crowded jail from poor committing crimes,
population control which lowers unemployment and boosts the economy,
less strain on the tax payer,
less crowded adoption homes and more children able to be placed in foster care.
Greater future opportunity for the young adult getting the abortion
less need for a social safety net.
less people in general on that safety net allowing it to do more good
more high school graduates
more college graduates
less divorce
happier families
I am sure there are a few dozen more benefit of abortion, what are the benefits of not getting one again?
very good list
That an innocent human being gets a life and a chance to make something out of it rather than being killed before birth.
NOT your uterus NOT your business.
That's just an appeal to emotion. There is no human being and what exactly is it innocent of? Otherwise, what Lady in black said!
I don't understand that
first reaction is: not good enough otherwise we would not be so a militarized nation, all deaths no matter the age would be so disturbing we, as a nation would never engage in any hostile actions in other countries that could result in even one death of our citizens as that person no longer has a chance to "make something of themselves", whatever that means.
second is how many children have you adopted, how much of your time or money have you donated to single, high school, freshmen college, drug addicted, or alcoholic moms so they can finish school, or get into rehab to allow their child to grow up in an environment capable of allowing it to make something of themselves?
Look in your back yard at that prison in Redding and then tell me about being born into a unprepared family or being forced into an unwanted home or underfunded, under educated, and underage home. Bet you at least 80% of the people in that prison came from one of those situations. How much is it costing the tax payer to care for the 90% that do not make something of themselves and continue to drain the social safety nets not only as a child but as an adult. Do the economic benefits of those 10% that actually pull themselves out of the gutter compensate for it...probably not otherwise the right would not be complaining about the cost of Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP and other programs directed towards the less fortunate.
Please stay on the topic of the seed which is the movie documenting the Abby Johnson story, her time at Planned Parenthood, and the events there that caused her to realize what was happening to real babies, and quit to join the pro life movement. That is the topic of the seed.
And it's all lies since she was fired and the abortion she was supposed to witness NEVER happened.
Ah, so now the pro abortionists are going to assassinate the character of Abbey Johnson. How sad that that’s all they have left.
There are NO pro abortionists.....so the records from the Texas Department of Health have been falsified....sure they have been
You should try to tell the truth for once, as the Bible requires.
There are no pro-abortionists, despite your emotional strawman. You want to mischaracterize others so they don't notice that you aren't pro-life but are instead forced birth because the conservative concern about the welfare of the fetus ends as soon as it is born and becomes an infant with medical, emotional and nutritional needs.
Here let me explain to you what pro choice is...
There are 3 choices:
Birth and keep
Birth and adopt out
Abortion
A woman decides which of these 3 choices are best for her in determining what to do with an unplanned pregnancy. She ALONE decides, not you, not me, NO one but her can make that choice.
Pro choice does not equate to pro abortionist....it equates to a woman DECIDING on her own what is best for her.
Get it now?
caused her to realize what was happening to real babies
Real babies don’t live inside women, real fetuses do.
Some people and doctors prefer to call them babies.
Heather Rupe, DO, is a board-certified OB/GYN
That's not a guarantee. Such a charge depends on the stage of gestation, individual state laws, the circumstances surrounding the death, and whether a prosecutor pushes for such a charge.
That doesn't mean they actually are babies. Such a reference is more of a layman reference and an emotional appeal or connection.
Because the person who killed the mother took away her right of choice. Only the mother has the right to end a pregnancy. When the pregnancy is ended by others or against her wishes it is considered murder by the justice system.
It's amazing how many people do not seem to understand that point.
Many people stop learning at 18 or 22, and they also tend to be emotionally driven instead of being logical thinkers.
She can use the term baby with her clients but science is very clear that it is a fetus.
Probably because they do not want to learn. Especially if what they might learn conflicts with their beliefs or preconceived notions.
Exactly. The abortion argument is a perfect example of that.
Then entire film is a lie and you wanted to fall for it
““For women that have not had abortions or children or young girls that are considering it, we want them to realize that this is a baby,” the pro-life director asserted. “You have to contemplate that. You cannot buy into the myth of the media and of Planned Parenthood that it's not a baby.”“