There Is No GOP Obamacare Replacement And There Never Has Been
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Jeffrey Young, HuffPost 16 hours ago If you’re the sort of person who still believes President Donald Trump’s promises on health care, there’s probably nothing at this point that could dissuade you from the notion that Republicans have a “fix” at the ready to replace “Obamacare.”
If, however, you’re the sort of person who pays attention to the world around you, you have good reason to believe that Trump’s latest vow to reform the health care system is as bogus and disingenuous as all his others.
On the heels of the Justice Department’s announcement Monday that it is fully backing a lawsuit that would eradicate the entire Affordable Care Act ― a decision Trump reportedly directed himself ― the president has begun making big promises that he and the Republican Party are on the verge of revealing a tremendous new plan that will make American health care great for everybody.
“If the Supreme Court rules that Obamacare is out, we’ll have a plan that is far better than Obamacare,” Trump told reporters in the White House Wednesday, according to a pool report. On Tuesday, he said, “The Republican Party will soon be known as the party of health care. You watch.” He later tweeted the same thing.
This is, to put it in simple terms, hogwash. And it’s the same hogwash Trump and the GOP have been trying to pour down America’s throat for a decade.
Here is the truth: Trump has no idea what he wants to do about the serious flaws in the American health care system. For Trump, touting health policy is akin to the teetotaler president telling consumers that Trump Vodka is “great-tasting.” He has no clue about either of these things. How could he?
At one point last year, Trump went so far as to brag about “record sales” of health plans his administration authorized. In fact, there were literally none of those plans available for sale.
During the 2016 campaign, Trump made vague, outlandish promises to concoct a plan that would cover every American at a lower cost. Such a plan has never been seen. During the repeal push two years ago, Trump’s White House never even bothered coming up with its own proposal, leaving the task instead to Congress, which similarly had no idea what it wanted to do, beyond repealing the dreaded Obamacare and simply gutting the safety net, which has been the party’s goal for several decades at least.
Republicans do not have a plan because there is no way for them to have a plan. Americans want less-expensive health care and less-horrible health insurance. Cutting Medicaid and Medicare and throwing away the health insurance subsidies from the Affordable Care Act will not achieve those results.
The private sector has always controlled the health care system, even after Medicare and Medicaid came into being in 1965, so turning over more of it to the vicissitudes of the marketplace seems a dubious approach to solving the problems that very system has created in its quest to maximize profits.
Here is the truth: Trump has no idea what he wants to do about the serious flaws in the American health care system.
Last week marked the nine-year anniversary of President Barack Obama signing the Affordable Care Act into law. Obamacare has its very real problems, chiefly that there remain millions of people who can’t afford health insurance and medical care or are barely fitting it into their budgets. But the law also extended health coverage to something like 20 million people who were uninsured before, and it includes a guarantee that no one can be turned down for health coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
Throughout those nine years and the preceding year and a half of legislative activity around the ACA, the GOP has promised over and over and over again that it would have a great plan that reduced health care costs and made sure people had access to affordable health insurance.
In the years Republicans controlled the House and Senate during Obama’s and Trump’s presidencies, they also voted dozens of times to repeal the entire law or major components of it. Republicans and conservative activists got lawsuits to dismantle the law before the Supreme Court twice and failed both times. This latest case could go the same way.
That same lawsuit was an issue during the 2018 congressional elections. Combined with the congressional repeal effort the prior year, these things gave Democrats concrete examples of the GOP’s hostility to health coverage programs and to rules protecting people with pre-existing conditions. The Republicans’ electoral strategy was to respond to these obviously true things by simply lying about them and claiming their preferred policies would have the opposite effect.
What Trump and his “party of health care” have failed to come even close to doing is proposing a credible alternative plan that would achieve anything close to the Affordable Care Act’s results. Quite the contrary, in fact.
The repeal-and-replace bill House Republicans passed in 2017 would have led to more than 20 million additional uninsured and higher health insurance premiums for anyone not lucky enough to be young and/or healthy. The Senate version, which failed to pass, would’ve produced similar results.
In the current political context, Trump backing a lawsuit to shatter the Affordable Care Act and making transparently meaningless promises about health care reform is even more ridiculous because Democrats control the House. Among Democrats, the only question about health policy is whether to shore up Obamacare or to commit to a fully government-financed health care system. If Trump were to come out in favor of those things, it would be truly stunning.
Trump backing a lawsuit to shatter the Affordable Care Act and making transparently meaningless promises about health care reform is even more ridiculous because Democrats control the House.
As president, Trump has shown time and again that his real health care agenda amounts to less health care, less security and fewer people covered. Trump has used many tools to undermine and sabotage Affordable Care Act programs ― which he straight-up promised to do as soon as he took office. It’s one of the few promises he’s kept.
Under Trump, the federal government has encouraged states and health insurance companies to reintroduce junk insurance with few benefits and huge potential out-of-pocket costs that make the worst Obamacare plans look good by comparison. The Trump administration has pushed states to seek new limitations on coverage of low-income adults on Medicaid, including work requirements. Arkansas, the first state to adopt work requirements, has quickly proven that the policy is working as intended and has kicked 18,000 people off their health coverage in less than a year.
For those who see these latest comments from Trump and wonder if they might be going insane, you have company: House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) reportedly agrees that it’s crazy Trump is talking about health care again. At least one Republican leader knows when it’s time to stop talking rubbish.
- This article originally appeared on HuffPost.
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Even Tom Cotton, trmp's biggest ass licker said there is no plan
If the ACA is overturned there may be some that are in for a surprise...The pre existing condition, caps on life time medical etc are going to disappear. I believe that the rural hospitals are in for one hell of a hit as well.
I've seen a lot of medical facilities spring up in the last 5-6 years. I bet a lot of those are going to be closed.
I'm thankful I have TriCare because I have a pre-existing condition and if I had to rely on private insurance I would probably be near to death by now
The PPACA is private Health Insurance. It regulates who they must provide coverage to, how much they can increase premiums each year, etc. It regulated employers and what they can and cannot do regarding their group health insurance plans based on the number of employees.
We've had an Act already in place since 1996...HIPAA - Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act - prevented Health Insurers from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions...all one needed to do was prove they had previous coverage within the past 90 days. Insurers must send letters stating dates of coverage once you lose coverage. This helped people who changed jobs, got divorced, lost their jobs...all receiving coverage for pre-existing conditions. BUT that isn't free - they too had to pay Health Insurance premiums.
What we have not had is AFFORDABLE CARE. Since the PPACA regulates a middle-man (Health Insurance) and fails to address the real drivers of the costs of Health Care - Hospitals, Health Care Providers and Pharmaceuticals...costs continue to rise. Health Insurance Premiums rise because they must cover ALL pre-existing conditions without younger healthier people contributing to overall premiums. Health Care in this Nation isn't cheap...over-regulating only one end of this monster won't solve the problem. Maybe now the two parties can take a seat and address the entire issue...and come up with a resolution that benefits the entire Nation.
I know there's a huge desire for Medicare for All. Other than an extreme cost to cover everyone...I haven't heard much about what the Health Care Industry thinks of that idea. How is the current Medicare plan working for Seniors? There should be an overhaul of the current Medicare plan. Fix it to where it works for the Senior Citizens currently covered...no gaps and no holes...then let's discuss expanding that to cover everyone. Don't forget about that gap in coverage...you know, the part they don't cover and won't pay. They too use private Health Insurance.
I know what HIPAA is.
As for the rest of your screed......
Great! Then you know you'd be able to rely on private health insurance coverage without the PPACA!
meh
You didn't read my comment.
I'm on TriCare. So now.....
Oh...I read your entire comment. Just putting your fears of 'near death' to rest.
You don't know anything about me and what I suffer from.
My point was....if I weren't on TriCare and if there was no such thing as Obamacare, I wouldn't be insurable. Pretty sure I wrote my original post in English, but I can't read it and comprehend it for ya
The comments suggest more a lack of wanting conversation and more of just beliegerience
Unfortunately, that seems to be the case with several members here in NT.
It works fine for me and my wife...Thanks for asking. What gaps are you talking about, I've not experienced any nor has my wife. If you're talking about RX, yes there is a ''donut hole'' the most out of pocket you have to be responsible for is $5,000. Medicare pays 80% and the supplement covers the rest. The supplement is paid for as a separate entity as is the RX plan.
We've been covered by Medicare since 2005.....
It's actually pretty accurate.
Prior to the ACA, 38 states maintained risk pool coverage for just such occasions.
It normally does, TBF.
But the way it exists now, it's too expensive to expand it to everyone. There are other ways to get universal coverage that are actually plausible.
I wasn't advocating that we go full medicare to all citizens of the US. I would think that being the greatest country on earth, we should be able to come up with a health plan that would cover all of our citizens at a responsible cost. And provide coverage to those that are in need of financial help.
It seems to me like a very good investment for both our country and our citizens.
38 states...what if one happened to live in one of the non-38 states?
SOL I say....
I really don't give a shit
The PPACA, AKA Obamacare sucks. It beyond sucks.
Want the world's biggest lie- it is the PPACA, that benefits nothing but insurance companies. Cost controls- insurance companies are smarter than the government (whose politicians on their payroll). They used their increased leverage in the stock market and funds gained from the captive customer created by the PPACA and buy, merge, or partner with hospitals to lock their competitors out. Then charge their captive customers anytime they go out of the limited scope of hospitals and doctors they partner with. The really smart ones are getting into physical fitness centers as a form of preventative health care- and are rolling those costs into their policies as well.
Unfortunately the PPACA is here to stay, just not the exact same from state to state. The Supreme Court held up the individual mandate as a tax; but struck down the federal government compelling states to expand Medicaid or risk losing their current funding.
The Republicans do not have a plan to replace the PPACA; nor do the Democrats have a plan to fix the glaring problems with the PPACA. Which is exactly the way the insurance companies want it.
Says someone who never needed it. I love to see people who have no experience pontificate about things of whichthe know nothing.
And yet, after almost 10 years, the GOP cannot come up with anything better.
Either the PPACA doesn't suck as much as you claim, or the GOP is so horrendously bad at doing things that they should have never graduated kindergarten.
Or both.
As many problems as it has, it's still far better than the system we had before, at least for the millions of Americans who had preexisting conditions. The insurance companies are going to take their pound of flesh no matter what if they're involved, so we either sacrifice the most vulnerable allowing them to be kicked off insurance because of their heavy costs and their lack of ability to pay for care, or we kick out insurance companies and go to a single payer system. I don't really see any other options, and neither party is willing to pull the trigger either way.
We've got to get insurance companies out of the picture but at the same time we need price controls
I heard of them, too. You don't get your medical bills paid, but you get lots of thoughts and prayers!
They won't let you in due to pre-existing circumstances.
That insurance is basically impossible to qualify for.
In this case those "odds" are 100%.
The Lord says you have to help yourself. There are many medical manuals out there on google but I don't believe any of them tell you how to give yourself colonoscopy or frontal lobotomy
It benefits a lot of people who couldn't otherwise afford insurance.
Wow, thank you for that, and you are correct.
It seems we've found what could be the only thing I''ve ever agreed with Tacos about. So, credit due: +1.
It's true.
Don't let it go to your head!
And never will be. These shit-fer-brains have been promising (read: bullshitting) ever since 2010 to "repeal and replace" and they had legislative majorities for 6 of those years and both the Congress and WH for the last two years and couldn't/wouldn't do fuck-all about it.
that's what happens when a traitor like mccain says he will vote for repeal and replace and then last second votes against.
I also blame the traitorous neocons in the GOP but there is no blame for trump, they had every chance.
as for obamacare itself?
it was not even signed into law yet and I said that law will die a slow and painful death.
I like the preexisting conditions and kids on parents plans, universal medical coding... nothing wrong with any of that.
too bad the left wrapped those good things up in so much crap when they wrote obamacare. had they left all the crap out those things would have stood on their own.
I've read all the books. and I understand your constant "whack attacks" are nothing more than a defensive measure and your only trying to convince yourself the orange man will go down in spite of all reality to the contrary.
when you have something to add to a conversation besides attacking me? let me know k?
until then?[DELETED]
cheers
I'll whack to that, after i pour another drink
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Doctor prescribed of course
I need some medicinal smoke after that.
Yeah...but you gotta love his word play
You mean you believe the fairy tale that that's what Rs and Scumbag would have done if McCain had voted for just the repeal? There was never any "R and R" plan and there still isn't despite that vote being 2 years ago. There was nothing preventing the Rs from offering plan and THEN seeing if it would have been able to replace the PPACA. And there's still nothing preventing them from doing so. So where is it. Would you pay for a horse that you've never seen?
McCain NEVER said he would vote for the underlying bill. Oh and BTFW, the bill did NOT replace ANYTHING, it ONLY repealed parts of the ACA.
That's right, y'all never hold Trump responsible for his lack of leadership.
Which 'crap' are you speaking of? Please be specific.
https://twitter.com/mschlapp/status/1108194050316951552?
or, you can believe cnn's "fake news...
cheers
Ignoring reality and the truth is a precursor to a large dip in intelligent ability
then why do you and others on the left continue to ignore reality?
trump is not going down.
obama, his admin, fbi and doj along with the clintons? in deep shit.
the attempted coup failed, it is game over for "the resistance",
and now it is time for a traitors justice.
let me fix this for you don...
is a precursor to a large dip in intelligence.
your welcome
No, that's what happens when you don't even have a dog turd for a plan to revamp one of the largest sectors of the economy.
Of course not, he could strangle an infant on national television and you would be rooting for him. The only question you would have at the end is "why didn't that baby thank Trump for killing it?"
What "crap" exactly? Like, what specifically do you hate about the ACA? And I mean specifically, not bullshit generalities.
There shouldn't be a government sponsored health insurance plan or plans as shown by the PPACA. Remember, for an affordable insurance plan, you want one with a low premium, low deductible, and low OOP. The PPACA only allows plans with a moderate to high premium, a high deductible, and a moderate to high OOP. Before the PPACA, my family's farm had a health insurance plan with a $0 deductible. The deductible alone meant that ALMOST EVERYTHING would be paid for by the insurance company. Now, the farm has a health insurance plan with a $1500 deductible, which means that the employees or the farm has to pay $1500 BEFORE the insurance plan would cover anything for any given procedure. That is the boondoggle that the Obama Administration and Democrats lead by Pelosi and Reid left us when they passed it in 2010.
If they wanted us to have affordable insurance, the PPACA approved plans should have been required to have a $0 to $500 deductible as that is the affordable range for most people. Instead it is $1500 or more and on top of that you are paying $400+ premiums EVERY month. You fall and break your arm and need surgery to fix it and are forced to stay overnight due to complications, for example. (When I was going through chemotherapy in 2002 and 2003, I believe it was $24,000 a night to stay over before you get any sort of treatment. It has been a LOOOONNNGGG time since I saw one of the billing statements from that time period. And, my stays occurred every 3 weeks for 6 treatments alternating between 3 and 5 days. Granted the second round of treatments were cut short after 4 treatments due to complications.) So, $24,000 a night just to stay, plus medications that would cost you the $1500 for the deductible and unless you have a good paying job to begin with or are on Medicaid could you actually afford the $1500 you would have to pay? Now, the OOP for the PPACA is usually around $5000, which means that you would have to stay 3 different times paying the deductible before everything else would be covered without you having to pay anything.
The deductible is what you pay for a single incident. The OOP is what you have to pay in deductibles before the plan will cover anything else without you having to pay anything other than the premium. The premium is what you pay just to have the plan in the first place and is usually paid monthly, quarterly, or yearly. The monthly premium is the full-priced premium that most people pay because they cannot afford to pay a lump sum up front. The quarterly and yearly premiums are lump sum payments usually given at a discount for paying the lump sum.
Health Insurers must cover pre-existing conditions...that raises their costs. Plans that had reasonable deductibles became plans with larger and larger deductibles...because the costs for low deductible plans went through the roof!
The PPACA over-regulated itself into the ground.
Then you need to stop using Medicare if you are on it or refuse to sign up for it when you're eligible.
I am a participant in Obamacare. My experience has been that Obamacare is all about the money; Obamacare doesn't have anything to do with health care.
My first experience was a doctor's visit to check on an ailment. I was required to go through a mandatory physical/screening and the doctor refused to discuss the ailment I was concerned about until the results of the screening were available. I dealt with eleven people: 1 doctor, 1 nurse, 2 phlebotomist, and 7 different receptionists, record keepers, and floor guides. The visit cost $1,300 (mostly paid by Obamacare) and I did not receive any medical treatment. I had the same ailment and concerns afterward and was not allowed to discuss that during the visit.
I was just a pass-through agent used to transfer public funds to a private medical clinic. I rarely need to visit a doctor; it can be more than a year between visits. But all the visits after that first one have been the same, I'm treated like a lab rat and leave without receiving any medical treatment. Somehow all of that 'free' Obamacare screening has been transformed into mandatory screening that prevents receiving medical treatment.
Don't tell me the private sector is more efficient. I've not experienced that much bureaucracy in any government office (and I was a Federal employee). My father used VA medical facilities and I thought that was bad. But my experience with Obamacare has been worse.
I can receive the same level of non-treatment from a witch doctor. All the high tech voodoo hasn't provided me any more medical treatment than blowing smoke up my arse. If Obamacare is eliminated I don't believe I'll lose anything.
I don't think there is a lot of dispute that much about Obamacare could be improved or even changed. However, the real world alternatives, so far, have just been to go back to what we had. That's not helpful. It seems like no one is seriously tackling this problem, and those who say they are seem to be focused more on politics and ideology than they are on problem-solving.
The criticism of the Republican Party on this point is more than justified. They have been howling that they have superior ideas, but we have yet to see them.
We hear a lot about things like choice and privacy and I agree those are important concerns, but that is not justification for doing nothing. Total socialization of medicine may not be the best solution, but it should be clear to everyone by now that allowing medicine to be a totally free market system is a policy that will fail millions of people.
Three goals: Cheap Medicine, Quality Medicine, Universal Care. We probably can't get to all three, but we need an organized effort that gets us as close as possible. I believe the solution will require some sensible fusion of free market forces and government regulation.
I have to say I'm impressed you understand and are speaking out. This issue is probably the most impactful for all Americans and too important to allow ignorance and misrepresentations. This is really life and death and bankruptcy. There are so many (all) other countries that do it better and cheaper, there is a lot to look at for solutions best for us. Thank you for your honesty and look forward to debating options with you.
Absolutely true. For years they've been talking 'Repeal and Replace' but have not yet provided a plan. The only idea I've heard so far out of the White House involves block grants which only punts the issue down to the states.
When talk of the PPACA started up, I hoped they would just enhance/increase/fix Medicaid as the initial talk was really about bringing medical insurance to the millions of un-insured. But that's not where they went and so they messed it up. Seems to me they tried to tinker with only one side (insurance and payments) while ignoring costs, care and people.
I don't have a solution but working in the health insurance industry, I have seen many doctors and medical providers stop accepting Medicare & Medicaid patients as the re-imbursement rates are too low to cover costs. A lot of people talk about European models of health care but a lot of those countries are having financial issues related to the costs, hell the Finnish Cabinet just resigned after being unable to reform their healthcare. The entire healthcare system in the US is built around money and it takes a lot of money to get started. How many people are going to be willing to go to medical school and coming out maybe a million dollars in debt only to get a job that pays them $75k annual? I think if the government just comes out and reduces payments and mandates costs we will see many providers and institutions just quit as they cannot afford to stay open.
If we could go back in time and build a medical industry from the ground up, perhaps we could build a mix of government owned/managed and private owned/managed to cover more people while maintaining cost and quality. But with what we have now?
Just about every other country on Earth does.
Damn, we agree. Crazy...
Glad some conservatives are finally coming to grips with reality. The GOP has been saying for years they have some awesome plan, yet every time push comes to shove, their plan ends up being "let's go back to being the most costly system in the post-industrial world, and achieving some of the worst results in the post-industrial world."
The GOP doesn't have a fucking clue as to what to do about healthcare. And I know you are not big on socialism, but all the data, all the evidence from across the globe points to socialized healthcare as being the best option. Every single modern nation on the planet has a mostly or fully socialized healthcare system, and they all get results that are equal or better than ours and for significantly less cost.
I remember some years back watching a documentary, and they interviewed the Taiwanese health minister (or whatever it was) when they were looking to revamp their healthcare system. They had visited something like 15 countries (and the US) taking ideas and practices from all of them, and when asked what did you take from the US his response was "nothing, if anything the US is an example of what not to do."
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And you know they'd start hiking the prices on staples, super glue and band-aids just to make a profit and kill off more Americans.
All those proposals and not one acted upon by the Republicans. Nor have Republicans come up with anything on their own (harhar). And that's the way it will continue.
It has been, what, 10 years now? The GOP has produced absolutely shit as an alternative. Their "plan" for the last 10 years has been "stuff". But by all means fat ass, make healthcare the GOP's signature issue in 2020, you will be slaughtered.
Get rid of Obamacare, Medicare, and Medicaid. Get the Federal Government out of meddling in healthcare and instead follow the Constitution which leaves those issues to the states and the citizens to determine
I just have to ask, are you brain damaged?
Nope. I demand a government that actually follows the Constitution
So I presume that you support abolishing the VA and Tricare too.
VA and Tricare are part of deferred compensation agreements between the Federal Government and those of us who serve. We gave our lives in a contract that promises us this deferred compensation in exchange for the government making us surrender many of the liberties civilians have and having the authority to order us into life threatening situations or even certain death.
that especially holds true for those of us who are disabled Veterans
I thought you said that the Government shouldn't meddle in healthcare?
BTFW, it may behoove you to note that Medicare is deferred compensation too.
You seem clueless about what deferred compensation is. Medicare is not a deferred compensation program. It is a subsidized insurance purchase.
You seem clueless about what a subsidized insurance purchase is.
I don't know about you but I have been paying into Medicare for almost 5 decades and have yet to receive a fucking dime in return.
No. It isn't.
No. It isn't.
No. You haven't. You don't "pay into" Medicare or Social Security.
You have been paying a tax. Just like you have been paying sales tax, fuel tax, property tax and possibly income tax. That particular tax just happens to be earmarked for a specific social program.
I agree, that's what I told LFOD.
Bullshit.
Sales,and income taxes go into a general fund for use by state and federal governments. The gas tax pays for our SOCIALIST road system and property taxes pay for our SOCIALIST schools.
The Medicare taxes I pay qualify me for future compensation in the form of 'old age' medical insurance.
Actually, yes, YES it is.
Or....on planet Earth... "reality".
Getting straight to the unhinged angry shouting early, I see.
Roads are not socialist. Neither are schools. People who paid attention in schools know this.
No, they do not. The US Government has made no contractual commitment to you regarding Medicare or Social Security at any time. The programs exist under current statute, which the US Government can change at its whim. Your taxes are used to pay the claims of current beneficiaries, and you merely assume the program will use future taxes to pay yours when you reach the age to qualify.
If this were in any way a "deferred compensation" program, it would meet every definition of a Ponzi Scheme and its architects would be headed to jail. As a government program, however, it is perfectly legal to use your money to pay current claims.
It is not deferred compensation of any kind. You do not have a balance in some Medicare account upon which you can later draw. People who have paid more Medicare tax over their careers do not get better benefits that people who have not.
You are simply subsidizing a social welfare program for people who are currently old, hoping others will subsidize the program when you are old. I'm not sure why that fact causes you such consternation.
They sure as fuck aren't CAPITALIST. People who paid attention in schools know that.
Yes they do.
I never said it did.
I don't 'merely' presume, I have every intention of fighting to insure that the government keeps it's promise.
Medicare doesn't work off of profit. Another false equivalency.
Yes it is.
Irrelevant drivel.
I may have been doing so when I started working at 14 in the 70's, I'm old now.
I'm not sure why you think that you have any understanding of what I may or may not expect.
Of course they are. They're built by private contractors.
Medicare claims are paid by private contractors, too, BTW.
That would be a requirement for deferred compensation.
I'm sure swearing in all caps on the internet will prove quite useful in continuing Medicare.
In order for you to use the term "false equivalency" correctly, two things must have been declared as equivalent. They were not. They were contrasted.
Out of curiosity, are there other nonsensical things you intend to declare just by saying "yes it is"? Do you believe the moon to be made of cheese? Will you declare Elvis to still be alive? Will you name the Green Bay Packers as the winner of the last Super Bowl?
Which proves that they are CAPITALIST not at all.
Really? Why?
When did using the political designations SOCIALIST and CAPITALIST start being labeled as 'swearing'?
So 'meet the very definition of' isn't declaring them equivalent?
Pffft.
Out of curiosity, why do you think that your 'no it isn't' declarations are any less nonsensical?
More irrelevant drivel.
Please proceed.
Roads built by companies created with private capital, or claims processed by companies started with private capital....
You do realize "capitalist" does not mean something is typed in all capital letters, right?
Compensation fulfills half of a contract between two parties (the other half being service rendered). The agreement to defer compensation is part of that contract and the terms must be specified.
Not when used with the phrase "if this were in any way", no.
Least incorrect thing you've posted so far.
Were talking about the ROADS, not the contractors the build them. Sheesh...
YES.
Compensation has no need for a contract.
too damn funny.
breaking news: socialism is a national economic system
IE: taxes, schools and roads are not indicative of socialism.
capitalism = getting people to pay your bills by providing goods or services AKA: work
socialism = getting people to pay your bills by use of the power of government AKA: theft
we may pay taxes and build roads.... yadda yadda...
but in this country the results of one's labor is not owned by "the people" and it never will be.
I was forced to pay into it from the day it began but I refused to sign up when I turned 65. I consider it just another Marxist statist money grab
So, you paid for health insurance but you refuse to use it ... pretty crappy financial decision. You just turned it into a money grab, rather than using what you paid for.
oh oh oh.... I got my shirt on and my flag flying... I do declare that the Green Bay Packers have won the last 51 Super Bowls!!!!
woo hoo !!!!!!!
I now return you to your regularly scheduled argument.
You refused to sign up for parts B & D which you can still do at a later date with a 10% penalty for each year you deferred without other insurance.
You cannot refuse Medicare Part A, it's "free" based on all the years you paid into it, but you can defer it if you still have employer provided insurance.
If you want to disenroll from Medicare Part A, you can fill out CMS form 1763 (Request for Termination of Premium Hospital and Medical Insurance) and mail to your local
Social Security Administration office. ... You can re-enroll at any time by calling Social Security at 1-800-772-1213 or visiting your local SSA office.
Caution, this info is from a blog.....
You're referring to an object as "socialist". If that doesn't refer to the economics of the road, how does that work, exactly?
Are the grains of asphalt unionized? Has the aggregate in the concrete formed some sort of collective? Are the guardrails threatening a strike if their demands for shorter working hours and better pay are not met?
Riiiight. People just show up for work and hope they'll get paid eventually. They're not expecting anything, just whatever the employer thinks is fair.
No. He paid a tax to fund medical care for other people.
I'll agree with that. But many decisions made on prinicple are not financially sound. The people who make such decisions value principle over money.
Again, he didn't "pay for" anything. It's a tax. The majority of the people paying the tax are ineligible for benefits.
The amount of money most people pay in over their careers does not begin to cover what Medicare would cost if they had to actually "pay for" it.
How so?
So have I, he is being a pussy. Shit, there is a 90% chance that eventually some of my taxes will pay to keep his dumb ass alive.
We're talking about Medicare, not Medicaid. Sure, it's a tax - and he paid it. He is eligible for Medicare if he's 65 or older.
I'm referring to it's acquisition and use as socialist.
It does refer to the socialist economics that allowed the acquisition of the land, the finding of construction and the use of that road.
In FACT, all adjacent land owners pay property taxes on the land under the roads while gas taxes pays for their maintenance and repair. Again, a socialist form of economic funding.
Out of curiosity, do you think that obtuse and irrelevant questions show a good faith effort to discuss an issue?
Perhaps if you applied that same standard to Medicare, you'd have an easier time of understanding that it is deferred compensation.
"What Trump and his “party of health care” have failed to come even close to doing is proposing a credible alternative plan that would achieve anything close to the Affordable Care Act’s results."
So the voters have a choice. It's either the no-plan Republicans or the damn-the-cost radical democrats