Trump: The Man, The Myth, The Misogyny
As a preface, I'm going to let everyone know right off the bat, you are more than welcome to disagree!
Trump: The Man!
Okay, what can I really say here that we haven't all heard before. Depending on which way and how hard you lean on the Political Spectrum, he is anything from a narcissistic asshole, to the best thing since sliced bread. Personally, I think he is both, You don't grow up rich and own companies by being the nice guy. Face it, with Great Wealth comes the whole "I'm better than most" attitude. Yeah, he's got it--BAD! You will be hard pressed to find anyone who will deny he's a prick. I certainly am not going to try to simply because he proves it all the time with his tweets. Throw in a few past photos and some soundbites from years ago, and he reveals his personality is exactly what most believe him to be: An Asshole!
BUT! That isn't what got him elected.
What got him elected was a bad economy where even though things were looking up for Wall Street and the White Collar class, it was still pretty shitty for Main Street and the Blue Collar workers. Part of the problem was job scarcity and stagnate or deflating wages. His promise to rebuild the crumbling infrastructure and the ridding of illegal immigrant competition for jobs rang loudly with Blue Collar America. Some people couldn't understand that this has nothing to do with skin color, but with the simple fact that more competition for jobs from people who will do the work for less money, doesn't help put the Citizen's of this country back to work or put as much money in the tills on Main Street stores and eateries. These same people that cried Racism because of this fact are the very same ones demanding we raise minimum wage! Well Trump knew this would resound across the country with those who slap on work-shoes and work-boots every day; and it did. If Congress would have spent HALF as much energy working on funding the infrastructure projects as they've spent trying to get rid of a duly elected President, then rebuilding of our crumbling infrastructure, and Yes, even securing the border( be it with a physical barrier, an electronic one, with more manpower, or better yet-- a combination of all three--) then we probably would have seen an even lower unemployment rate than we have now! As a bonus; as a result of a shrinking labor pool; higher wages! What isn't to like here???
Trump: The Myth!
He is no Saint by any means, and he certainly like to take credit even when it isn't due. Is he a successful business man? YES! After all, he did finance his run for the Presidency without taking the huge bribes, oops, I meant to say donations like his counterparts did and still continue to do. As a shrewd business man, he protected his money in various ways, many of which we all have an opinion on; whether it is his hypocrisy of outsourcing his products to overseas sweatshop, filing bankruptcy to get out of paying his debts, or fleecing people by playing on their greed by promising to teach them his dirty tricks, he still made a lot of money doing it. Maybe you are one of those that tout his business acumen as a reason for electing/voting for him. I hate to tell you, but you just voted in another rich asshole who will place his wants and needs above yours any day. Him being For The Working Class is a myth! Just look at what he did to protect his money from his debtors and how he acquired it in the first place. That alone should tell you how good his word is.
Another Myth being propagated is that he is a Great Negotiator. He isn't. It isn't hard to "re-negotiate" what were shitty deals to begin with and make them better, but exactly WHAT "deal" has he put together that is "great"? Short answer: NONE. Thank God his adversaries are worse than he...or are they really since they all still got a lot of what they wanted while we got only slightly better terms than we had before and they are still reaping rewards. I still don't see Mexico paying for the Wall and I damn sure don't see peace in the Middle East. China and Russia are still playing their games, and Third World sweatshop products still flood our markets. You want to impress me with your negotiating skills, put an end to all of those. Trump, you have the Power of the American dollar, our trade alliances and allies, and our military to boot at your disposal. There is NO excuse for us sitting here still at war, still in a trade deficit, and still buying cheap crap from overseas at high prices. (Looking at you iPhone!)
Trump: The Misogynist!
We get it. He comes from a time where women were subservient to their Masters--their husband...NOT!!!
No his boorish behavior was born from the same place his personality is--MONEY! That's right, there are indeed women who will not only tolerate his behavior, but also encourage it in hopes of getting something out of it. For most, it was just about some quick money; for a couple, it was a marriage. Yes, he talks about women like they are beneath him. He treats women like they are beneath him. He treats women the way men talk about women when they are by themselves in a bar or a locker room. You know; the same way women talk about men when they aren't around. Does that make it right? No. Well if it isn't right, it must be wrong! Nope. It's called braggadocio. It's how we impress our friends, family, and acquaintances with how great we are. Normally, anyone bragging, is taken with a grain of salt. Normally, when we hear about someone bragging, we just say
"Yea...Riiiight"
For some reason now, all of a sudden it seems, the entire country had a Come To Jesus Moment where such juvenile behavior is now a damnable character flaw. Somehow during that moment, every ones sin of bragging about sexual conquests has been forgiven--except Trump!
Sorry, but he wasn't elected because he was a Boy Scout or a Priest, he was elected because the other choices sucked so much more.
And THAT folks...is the bottom line!
As an after word I will remind you to mind the CoC and the ToS.
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I hope my candid assessing of why this guy got elected and will probably get elected again doesn't hurt too many peoples feelings...
Too bad if people's feelings get hurt. Good post!
My take on it overlaps with yours in a few areas but it also diverges in quite a few and frankly I don’t give a fuck anymore.
One thing for sure most of the lefties here on the site have no fucking clue as to the real reason why Trump got elected.
I doubt they ever will either...
This sentence alone is proof that trump has divided this country like no other. Trump has said that 55% of Americans are, "the enemy". No patriot would ever even SUGGEST something like that.
I know exactly what got trump elected. The vast majority of right wing media has been running Clinton into the ground for the last 25 years and it continued right up to literally the last few days before the election in 2016. It's called propaganda, and it worked perfectly for trump. The sad part is that the right wing believed all of it so completely, voting for Clinton wasn't an option. Had they shown some intellectual curiosity and actually fact checked the BS coming from the right wing, they would have found that most of it was at best, heavily spun to the right. No doubt that Hillary has baggage, that's true. But trump is by far, much worse in every aspect that matters. Hell, I had a Nutter on Twitter last night crying about Uranium One which was debunked YEARS ago, even by fox news. People spitting out conspiracy theories like that just look foolish. It's as stupid as believing that windmills cause cancer.
Oh, I have a pretty good idea why Hillary lost the election. She was so arrogant and lazy that she didn't think she needed to go to Wisconsin or PA to do some campaigning.
And the Bernie-bots stayed home
I agree. It is almost like she dismissed parts of the country. In some of those places the divide/margin was not that big.
I agree about the Bernie butt hurt too.
Especially in Blue Collar Western PA, where the mines have played out and the steel jobs went to China
Clinton had a good and honest point about the coal jobs not coming back, but the way she said it was terrible. And the media totally downplayed her comments about finding ways to replace those jobs.
Trump lied and said he'd bring the coal jobs back, and the poor suckers fell for it.
Yeah, she kinda stuck her foot in her mouth when she talked about those coal jobs. She needed to be honest, sure, but tell them why they weren't coming back.
And the unemployed steel workers know why they're unemployed....it's just painful to admit
Isn't the purpose of your Op/Ed to illuminate those reasons?
As anyone who has looked at the data knows, the economy was GOOD in 2016 and under Obama's budget in 2017.
Part of the problem was sequester demanded by the GOP Congress. Another was the GOP Congress's intransigence on immigration, infrastructure investment and undying focus on repealing the ACA.
Trump hasn't created more jobs than Obama nor has he caused wages to rise faster than Obama. Wages STILL don't keep up with inflation. Average wage earners STILL cannot get by on a 40 hour work week in ANY state in the country.
Shouldn't that be under MYTH?
If blue collar America is worried about competition from illegal immigrants, I suggest they get blame themselves and the businesses in their local.
Yes and business owners get a pass. It's all on illegal immigrants. Has nothing to do with business owners violating the law and exploiting immigrants right?
Trump has claimed for decades [still is] that he couldn't get enough 'Citizens' to fill the job openings he has in his businesses so he has to have H2B visa workers, in addition to the illegal immigrants that he has had working on his properties for years.
Nail employers, prosecute them and fine the fuck out of them and close them down until they can prove that their employees are all legal.
Yes, suddenly there is a line out the door of 'Citizens' who want to work in the fields and orchards and 'hospitality' in America. /s
That doesn't make any sense. You seem to be assuming that employers are violating the minimum wage laws TOO.
BTW, the Seattle example proves that raising the minimum wage [almost doubling] was good for workers, the overall economy, and those all important 'the tills on Main Street stores and eateries' you mentioned. Seattle's economy is STILL growing at a 4+% clip.
Oh and BTW, some of the small percentage of uptick in the average wage can be attributed to the fact that 21 states and Washington, D. C raised their minimum wage in 2019. NOTHING to do with Trump or HIS policies. Yet as you say, he takes credit for it anyway...
So since those are the reasons that you posit for Trump being elected in 2016, it begs the question: Now that we all know it was platform was bullshit, what is the argument for his re-election?
Not in all cases. Exhibit #1
Less hours, could it be they are trying to maintain their "eligibility" for "benefits"?
All the results are not the same. There are a few that have weathered the storm. Some changed their entire business plan, some closed their doors.
Ridiculous.
Here is a link showing median wages by state.
Please note that median wages on many states exceed federal poverty level limits.
From your link:
In short, CAPITALISM. THE HORROR!
Or adjusting their schedule around child care or going to school or working ANOTHER job or running their own business or, or, or. You may CHOOSE to view it as nefarious, without any evidence if you wish.
Which proves that it's a 'living wage' how?
Hint: It DOESN'T.
But you merely claiming something is so without any evidence is your evidence that it does prove your outlandish, false statement?
Say, Jim, did you know that if you are an average wage earner in America, that there isn't a single state where you can make ends meet?
Here's a little toy that MIT created.
Knock yourself out.
No, your link doesn't prove that the median income is a living wage.
Your little toy doesn't say what the average wage per state is, so I used my link to test yours. The first state is Alabama, alphabetically.
Median wage in Alabama is $15.43, as of 2016.
Your toy says that is enough for one person to live on in Alabama, as it states that a "living" wage would need to be $11.33.
Alaska has a median wage of $22.68 as of 2016. Your toy says that a "living" wage needs to be $12.89.
Need I bother to go through EVERY state to make the declaration that your statement was false? I have already proved it with just the first two!
I don't see where that futile exercise is necessary, but if you want to try it, be my guest!
See, here's the thing, Dulay. I never claimed that. Try arguing what I actually state instead of merely what you THINK I stated. If in doubt, READ my comments again.
YOU, however, stated unequivocally that there wasn't a state in the union that someone making average wages could make it. That is patently false. As proven.
And yet....
Nope.
Actually, I've been pretty vocal on seizing assets and giving employers jail time for knowingly hiring Illegals...and Landlords for knowingly renting to them too.
Many occupations often thought to be worked overwhelmingly by immigrants (legal and illegal) are in fact majority native-born:
The crappy field of his opponents mainly. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see a person from ANY Party elected who would actually be a champion for everyone earning under 100k a year! The way our whole election system is rigged so that you have to be rich--or hand-picked by the Rich--to even get your name on a ballot pretty much quashes that Hope. Can you imagine what it would be like if the entire Federal Government were limited to earning no more in office than the Median Wage and their only health insurance was Medicare/Medicaide, and their only retirement plan was Social Security? Only THEN would you see meaningful reforms in our Social Programs!!!
So by YOUR standard, I shouldn't have accepted your posit about MEDIAN wages since I stated:
The first line of YOUR link states:
Thanks for pointing that out.
You claimed that NOWHERE in the States could a person get by on average wages That is nothing more than a LIE.
If a person is making AVERAGE wages on Alabama, they are doing okay. Even better in Alaska.
What you claimed is nothing but bullshit.
Don't try to twist it now. I know what you claimed, you know what you claimed, and we both know I debunked that shit fast.
No, by my standards you should have researched that shit before posting something so fucking ludicrous.
I dont know how to break this to you, but the median wage is the 50th percentile. Of course "median" wages are above the poverty line. If they weren't , half the country would officially be in poverty.
You didn't "break" anything to me, but it is telling you think so.
You also seem to have missed the whole point of my posts, but that is just par for the course.
At least tell me you don't believe that a person making average wages can't get by in this country.
Please. Let me see some sanity.
Your link doesn't refute my comment in any way.
From your link dated from April 2019:
How many 'infrastructure weeks' has Trump had now? You should take a look at his 2020 budget. He actually includes $200 billion but then assumes large cuts in Highway Trust Fund spending after 2021.
I'm absolutely positive that Trump KNOWS that $200 billion is just a drop in the bucket because he said this about Clinton's proposed $275 billion infrastructure plan:
So where the hell are Trump's ideas? Hint: He has NONE.
What makes you think that authorities will be any better at prosecuting landlords than they have been at prosecuting employers? What state has a law that requires someone to prove that they are here legally to rent?
Thanks for the bias data from the anti-immigration think tank. /s
So despite the fact that you admit Trump sucks, you think that he sucks less. Yikes...
I haven't twisted anything Tex. In fact, I repeated my EXACT statement. You provided a link that doesn't address my comment and states as much in it's first statement. Live with it...
really, you should just stop
.
It is getting a little embarrassing to watch.
You should be embarrassed by the pretense in your own comments.
They already have Xx.
Here's the same data with more reality for you.
No pretense at all in my comments--just pointing out the lie in your post.
"Thanks for the bias data from the anti-immigration think tank. /s "
Feel free to debunk their numbers. I'll wait.
And Yes, Trump sucks less than the other options. Why? Simply because he is STILL an Outsider to D.C. Maybe even more than ever now...
Yes, he has been spending an inordinate amount of time at his properties outside of DC.
Trump's daughter, (I know not which one), posted the following on Twitter.
Not sure who got there first, but best reply was:
"Wish granted!"
A lot of people could not stand her. That was a big reason.
Who can blame him when even his "supporters" in Congress today will be his Frenemies tomorrow, lol!
I can.
No president or presidential candidate would ever, ever, call Americans the enemy. It would never happen. Just Trump
Hillary "Deplorables"
No, that never happens.
As for the rest, you are only partially right.
The Clintons are every bit as scummy as Trump is (the Clinton machine is better than Trump at handling internal problems); but Bill Clinton is very likable. His likability couldn't get her elected. Hillary tried advertising by electing her you automatically got Bill. No one with half a brain believed Bill would be influencing anything Hillary did.
Hillary learned nothing from her loss to Obama. Not only did she alienate potential voters by calling them "Deplorables"; but she completely snubbed fly over country; instead choosing to increase her war chest by holding fund raisers on the leftist coasts. Fly over country voted for the candidate that showed up and at least feigned interest in them.
The political parties have been dividing us for years; but the left acts like this is all new under Trump.
Thank you for pointing out that we once had a POTUS who recognized and apologized for his mistakes.
I think you did a good job of assessing this guy. I still don't think he's ever going to do anything about our crumbling infrastructure or get the blue collar people back to work like he said he would.
And now military funds are being diverted to that wall. Meanwhile, one of my husband's dorms has a condemned staircase....
Trump doesn't have the gonads to go to Congress for funding for his vanity project so he ORDERS the DOD to divert funding from the military.
Didn't hurt my feelings at all, I rather enjoyed the article. As I said below, I may not agree with it on all points, but it was well done.
So to sum up, you believe dishonest Donald is a prick, an asshole, definitely not a Saint, a hypocrite, not a great negotiator, talks about women like they are beneath him, treats women like they are beneath him, is a monumental braggart, but he's not Hillary Clinton so he has your vote.
Quite the sad commentary on how low the bar has been set by those on the right due to their unwarranted and unmitigated hate of Hillary. That kompot must have been seriously strong stuff.
Problem with that premise is I'm actually a Leftie on some issues like Universal Care, Free college education, and quite a few other important issues--while also being on the Right with issues like Illegal Immigration and lower corporate taxes. Now you may think that my hatred of Hillary is unwarranted, and it definitely will never be mitigated by anything she would ever conceivably do, but that is your opinion. In my opinion she deserves every bit of the hatred I have for her...and I'm a Socialist!
Hard to tell if your hatred is unwarranted when you have not explained the cause of that hatred. So please, provide a few highlights on the cause of the hatred.
I doubt you'll get a response. He hates Hillary just because.
Too many "hate" Hillary because the GOP told them to. They have no other reason than the rhetoric.
As weird as this is going to sound? I don't agree with this. LOL
Seriously, if people want to get a 2 year degree, "for free", fine, but it needs to be paid back in some way, community service, volunteer at the college to help other students, something...
LOL! As a "leftie" I don't agree with free college, either! I think college is appreciated more when a person actually has to work for that degree and I don't mean just grades and stuff.
My daughter had a weekend job as a nurse assistant and not only did it help with expenses but it gave her the experience to be hired at a prestigious hospital before she graduated.
I feel the same way.
What I don't like about so called higher education is where the priorities lie.
The astronomical costs in order to support a football team...
Also how some employers consider where a degree came from.
Ie Yale>community college.
I think the best way to go is to go to community college maybe for the first two years to get the general courses out of the way, then maybe the next two years at university for more specialized classes.
You mean the millions spent appeasing the left-over Neanderthals in society.
I just read this. Unreal...
Having read about the experiences of those who had to work with her, knowing what she did to Bernie Sanders, her moments caught when thinking no cameras were around, the way she covered for Bill and attacked his victims, the way she acted during TravelGate, the robbing of the White House when her and Bill left, the millions she made while in office, the convenience of people dying around her, evidence of wrongdoing destroyed, free pass from her cronies...yeah, I've got my reasons simply because I know people just like her; Powerful, Connected, Above The Law...all while calling anyone who doesn't kowtow to her agenda horrid names like " Racist ".
Need I say more???
Sounds just like someone else that was in the race. : )
'Sounds just like someone else that was in the race. : )'
Sounds exactly like crooked Donnie (as lady in black likes to say)
He is connected, as in mob, thug, gangster, connected.
Hillary was so right about the deplorables.
You would ba amazed at the variety of people I know. Matter of fact, your picture looks a lot like an old friend of mine.
Does he believe it, or just use it as a convenient excuse?
You mean my avatar? Bitch Pudding from Robot Chicken?
Nah, your old one which you used to use. I took it as a selfie, and I'm not kidding when I said you remind me of an old friend of mine. She too was very outspoken, very determined in her opinions, and didn't give a fuck who didn't like it! It was for this that her and I got along so well.
I swear, you two could be twins!
Indeed, that is what a lot of people do. Two year college then off to a 4 year for a degree. A 6 or 8 year degree in just about everything is painfully expensive. I am all for giving students a break but just telling them they can go to college for free, for me anyway, is a non-starter.
Quite the sad commentary on how low the left set the bar by nominating Hillary to run for POTUS against Trump
Did she lose the electoral college by a landslide because she was a woman, a Clinton, Did they expect her to win because she was a woman, her name was Clinton, she ran a poor campaign, calling Trump supporters deplorables or ?????
IMO it was because she was running on maintaining the status quo.
Dennis, Trump did not win a "landslide" electoral college victory, although I doubt me showing you this proof will stop you from saying the same inaccurate sentence in the future.
Of the 58 US presidential elections, Trump's percentage of the available electoral college votes ranks 46th.
If Trump won by a "landslide" , then Obama won by a landslide even more so, both times, as did Bill Clinton.
You think Trump won by a landslide because he says so, don't you know by now that Trump lies?
It really is hilarious to hear Trump supporters claim he won the electoral college in a "landslide". He won by 110,000 total votes in 2 swing states. That's it. 110,000 votes blocked the will of over 3,000,000 American voters. I'm not saying it wasn't constitutional, that's how our system works right now, our constitution gives more weight to voters who live in States that few Americans wish to live. But to claim the weighted votes in swing States created a "landslide" is an egregious mischaracterization of what a landslide is. But it's par for the course for this President and his loyal sycophants. For them his sparse inauguration was the "biggest ever!", his "big, massive southern border wall" has become a few dozen miles of easily defeated replacement fence.
The reality is that most Republicans who still support dishonest Donald know they've been swindled, they just can't admit it. They'd rather stare you in the face, eyes watering, eking out a half-smile as they chew the disgusting brick of dog feces than to admit that what they told everyone was a delicious brownie turned out not to be so delicious. They have to keep up the lie and continue telling themselves Hillary was worse or their whole fantasy comes crashing down around their ears. They would rather buy into Russian propaganda they'd been fed in 2016 than to actually spit out the bull shit they've been feasting on.
Us regular folks that have actual pocket Wallets, and Bills to pay, will take that swindle...any day of the week then.
"It really is hilarious to hear Trump supporters claim he won the electoral college in a "landslide".
The real Hilarity of all of it, is the Whine STILL coming from the "Left", 'cause "Trump actually Won", 3 years ago....period !
A win is a win.
Doesn't matter AT ALL if it was by one or 100 or 1000 or 1,000,000.
Then why do those on the right continue to insist he "won by a landslide"? I've heard it more times than I can count over the last 3 years, repeated, once again, above. If it doesn't matter how much he won by, then why do some dishonestly try to frame it as larger than it actually was?
Maybe it is just a reaction to false claims that the election was decided by 110,000 people in a couple of states.
" D onald Trump owes his victory in the Electoral College to three states he won by the smallest number of votes: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So it's fair to say that the 2016 presidential election was decided by about 77,000 votes out of than 136 million ballots cast."
"This election was effectively decided by 107,000 people in these three states. Trump won the popular vote there by that combined amount. That amounts to 0.09 percent of all votes cast in this election."
" President Donald J. Trump has claimed he won the electoral vote in a “landslide,” but he ranks below most presidents in the electoral vote and popular vote margins "
I am so sorry, I should have said dishonest Donald won the electoral college by between 77,000 and 107,000 votes in three states. You'll be happy to note that my general statement was far more accurate than the vast majority of statements made by the current President who blatantly lies more than he tells the truth. I hope you can forgive me for my minor error like you apparently forgive dirty dishonest Donald for the plethora of lies that continue to poor from his mouth daily, tracked at over 15,000 now.
forgot to add: que for attacks on the messengers due to lack of any evidence to the contrary...
I call bullshit on that.
That doesn't account for any of the votes or states he won other than those few states.
And that is a ridiculous thing to do. All states matter.
Had Hillary won in Florida and Texas, those states she lost in the rustbelt wouldn't have mattered.
DP is discussing the swing states...not all 50 states combined
I read and understood what he wrote.
Thus, my reply.
Claiming the election was decided by so few people is just plain stupid.
I give up
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It also doesn't account for the States where he lost "bigly". That's the definition of "swing States", the ones that could actually 'swing' election results, not the ones everyone knew swung one way or another by huge margins.
And had Trump won California and New York, those States in the rust belt wouldn't have mattered. And if 'ifs and buts' were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.
That's why I really worry more about my votes in my state and local elections. My state is so red that my Presidential vote really doesn't matter (I still vote, of course).
I love how some can pretend that every state will vote one way or another.
Did you predict that Reagan would win virtually every state? Even the ones that traditionally had voted blue?
Why, thank you! Coming from you--a real compliment!
Gracias!
I forgot to say a Picasso
Age can make one forget stuff!
I said nothing about previous elections yet you bring that up for some reason.
Trump received 306 to 232 by Hillary. That is a landslide.
My comment was about the presidential election which is determined by electoral votes and is correct, it was a landslide of 306 vs 232.
Your deflection to popular votes, southern border wall, Russian propaganda is exactly that = deflection
What do you consider a landslide victory?
It's not a landslide. It comes in 46th out of the 58 presidential elections.
If a runner comes in 46th out of 58 contestants he is not a big winner.
45 presidents had more impressive electoral victories than Trump. Dont be like Trump and deny reality. Its not a good look.
So?
Sure. Unless of course you compare it to the REAL landslide elections. Then, not so much...
Just to let everyone see the strength and depth of support for Trump there is among real Americans
I am a REAL American and I DON'T support Crooked donnie, so there goes your theory
You are absolutely right. A pox upon us for not seeing Donald John Trump in the same way as you do... as this nation's one, true God.
Real Americans support our system of government, put our country above their political party, don't suck up to dictators, and don't use our Constitution to wipe their asses.
Trump supporters ... not so much.
Your orange idol illegally surveilled our ambassador to the Ukraine - unlike the legal surveillance of Carter Page, who our intelligence community had every reason to believe was working illegally with the Russians. Where's your outrage about that, or is OK when Trump does it (as everything else seems to be for his idolaters)?
Ukraine opens probe of possible surveillance of ambassador
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian police said Thursday they have opened an investigation into the possibility that the U.S. ambassador came under illegal surveillance by an unknown party before she was recalled from her post in May.
The announcement came two days after Democratic lawmakers in the United States released a trove of documents that showed Lev Parnas, an associate of President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, communicating about the removal of Marie Yovanovitch as the ambassador to Ukraine.
The Ukrainian Interior Ministry, which runs the police forces, said in a statement that Ukrainian police “are not interfering in the internal political affairs of the United States.”
"However, the published messages contain facts of possible violations of Ukrainian law and of the Vienna Convention on diplomatic relations, which protect the rights of diplomats on the territory of another state,” the statement continued.
“Our goal is to investigate whether there actually was a violation of Ukrainian and international law, which could be the subject for proper reaction. Or whether it is just bravado and fake information in the informal conversation between two U.S. citizens,” the ministry said.
The Interior Ministry also said it has requested the FBI provide relevant materials. Interior Minister Arsen Avakov “suggested that the U.S. side take part in the investigation,” the statement said
In another move touching on the Trump impeachment, Ukraine said it was opening an investigation into reports that Russian hackers gained access to computers of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma.
Hunter Biden, the son of Trump opponent and former U.S. vice president Joe Biden, was on the board of that company. The impeachment inquiry began with allegations that Trump had tried to pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy into investigating Burisma by withholding promised military aid.
The FBI has been invited to take part in the Burisma hacking investigation, the ministry said.
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Jim Heintz in Moscow contributed to this story.
Did you feel the support at game 6 of the world series?
You know they are all republicans, right? I looked it up for ya.
Meh, at least Obama didn't have to call ahead and threaten administrators if their students didn't cheer for Dear Leader.
Funny how some think we'll commit suicide over this scumbag. No way in hell.
The most glaring fact about Donald Trump is that he is personally corrupt. His entire life is littered with pervasive personal corruption, and it has carried forward big time into his presidency.
When the national leader is so corrupt, the national self-image and the image we present to other nations is poisoned.
If Trump is re-elected after the overwhelming evidence of corruption and wrong doing by him and on his behalf, the United States of America will no longer be a great people.
and it has carried forward into his Presidency bigly...
And yes, dishonest Donald is made of pure corruption. That's what often happens to kids handed nearly half a billion dollars in their early 20's. In America, money has almost always equaled power. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Dirty dishonest Donald has left nothing but wreckage in his wake since being given over $400 million by dear old daddy. He's run at least half a dozen businesses into the ground, run at least two marriages into the ground and cheated on his current wife multiple times (apparently he likes his women without a spine even though he has criticized Hillary for not leaving Bill after his infidelities), has been accused of sexual assault by at least two dozen women, been accused of raping a 13 year old along with convicted pedophile Jeff Epstein who he called a "Terrific guy" who he said was "a lot of fun to be with" and likes his women on "the younger side", has himself admitted he doesn't even 'wait" for consent" he just starts "kissing them" and said he likes to "grab them by the pussy". That is the fat, balding ball of orange corruption that many evangelicals, white nationalists and white supremacists agree is their choice for President of the United States.
Some think we became less than great under the 3 previous presidents.
"Sometimes when you're with the same old people, you get the same old thing."
Dave Davies
Trump was Elected, because he wasn't a "Political D.C. Inbred".
Folks are tired of the "Political D.C. Inbred" !
The "Political D.C. Inbred" gave us Trump on a "Silver Platter" !
Partially true. While I don't know any billionaires, I have certainly heard of a few that are relatively polite and, "nice". I think it's important to remember that people who are born into wealth do not see the world the same way as most. Some never learn to drive, change the oil in a car, have to cook a meal or do dishes or have to go to Wal-Mart on a Sunday, deal with a fussy baby and last but not least, be told "no". Things like that are never an issue. So to a point, yes I do agree. I would add that anyone who has even a shred of empathy, knows when they are being an asshole.
If success is based on how much you have in the bank, then yes, I would argue that trump has had success as a businessman. The flip side of that coin? He lost a billion dollars in one year and bankrupted a casino. A chimpanzee with a lobotomy could make money running a casino. Six bankruptcies and 3000+ lawsuits for fraud, his charity shut down for fraud. There are a lot of components to being successful, it's not just about "not going broke", or, "making fat stacks of cash".
Trump actually did take donations in his 2016 run. After he said he was self funded, I looked at his campaign page and there were no less than 4 "donate here" buttons on that page. He did take donations in his 2016 campaign, and knowing trump the way we all do, do you really think trump would turn up his nose at free money? No, he never would.
The reality is that running a presidential campaign is painfully expensive. Donations are how the vast majority of campaigns are funded, that's just reality. If there were no donations, all we would ever have is super rich candidates, which in my opinion, is part of the problem with our government in the first place.
He is from the same generation that my dad did. Man works, wife runs the house and raises kids. That's the same generation where a male, with a house payment, car payment and a job could support a family of four with the wife not working and STILL have enough to send all 4 kids to college. To sum it up? That shit simply isn't possible anymore unless the earner is bringing home 3-500k a year. The vast majority of American families are 2 earner families, and those with kids still struggle to send their kid(s) to even a community college. But more to your point.... My mom and dad were married for 60 years, (until she passed away 12 years ago), never once did I ever see my dad treat my mother with any disrespect. They would argue and fight from time to time like normal couples will, but my dad was always respectful to my mom. I think trumps attitude towards women is learned behavior. I cannot remember donny even mentioning his mother. I don't know why that it is but my suspicion is that his father probably treated her as more a servant than a spouse, and donny just treats women the same way his father did.
Nothing wrong with tooting your own horn from time to time. We all do it. But trump really takes it to a level that is so laughable, I, (as much as I cannot stand trump), almost feel sorry for him when he says things like, "I know more about drone technology than anyone", (that one was my personal favorite). He does this all the time, and when he does it, you can see people behind him, his own people, rolling their eyes.
Most people when they brag like that, know inside that they are just bragging and don't know more than anyone about anything. The problem here is that trump's ego is so big, he literally believes that he knows more about drone tech than anyone. To him, it's not bragging, it's a statement of fact and for me, that's a problem. I cannot support someone that is so ego driven he will literally double and triple down on a lie JUST to protect his ego. Trump has been quoted as saying, "I never blame myself, I always blame someone else." That''s the same as saying, "I never take responsibility for anything I say or do, I always lie my way out of it, or, blame someone else." As your neighbor down the street, you can easily say, "meh, big deal..", but as a world leader, that's a HUGE problem.
Good article nonetheless. I can't see I agree with all of it, but certainly some of it I do agree with. Thanks for posting it.
Let's not forget that little Rally for Veterans fiasco. He had a rally the same night he was supposed to debate the other republicans (if I recall correctly) to raise money for some veteran's group. And it took months for him to give that money to that group.
He's a thoroughly, evil, corrupt bastard and when he dies, he will take over Hell. Watch out, Satan!
Not one redeeming quality in that fat sack of waste of flesh whatsoever.
Let me ask you an honest question. If you play the lottery and win the big one, which would you do? Lump sum or annuities?
what has that got to do with the fact he had to be coerced to giving that money to that veteran's group?
With Democrats clamoring for the rich to pay yet more in taxes, I would take the lump sum to protect as much of it as I could from their greedy hands.
Who knows what tax rates will be if Dems get their way with Medicare-for-all, free college, and free childcare?
It's a deflection and an apparent attempt to pretend there was a valid, honest reason for the delay.
Notice the silence from Jim to his deflection.
So it went over your head(s). The difference is the money can be spoon fed or, the "collector" may wait until all the money is in and disperse it all once compiled. Why would a fund raiser feed small checks for said months. That costs more.
that's not the point, Jim, and you know it
Yes I do. I KNOW what your point was As do most in the hallowed halls of NT. I was offering a scenario. My customers hate piece meal shipments and would rather wait for the whole order to be filled/shipped. Saves them and us unnecessary paperwork as well as shipping costs.
We're done
The intent was never to feed small checks over a period of months, but to provide one large check. Which he didn't do until the lack of payment was publicized, although the funds had been there for a long time. Your BS excuse for him is just that, BS.
The lengths you will go to, to justify every corrupt thing he does ... like using his corrupt charity as a personal slush fund and having to pay $2 million in damages, and defrauding all those students and having to pay over $30 million ... but I'm sure you will make up some bullshit excuse so you can continue to justify to yourself why you support such a crook.
Don't be silly, what's the cost of writing a check and overnighting it? Less than $50 ? There were only 30 charities chosen.
Surely candidate Trump could absorb that after insisting that he gave a million of his own money away in March.
The fund raiser was January 28 and the campaign began stonewalling immediately.
One of Trump's favorite funds is the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation which received a contribution from the fundraiser in March, for $100,000. Trump has traditionally worked with them to raise 2 to 3 million annually. The fund provides scholarships for the children of fallen Marines.
When the press started pressing for proof of the candidate Trump's very clear claims of distributing $6 million in funds
including $1million of his own cash,
there was a sudden spurt of overnight mailing on May24 to more than 15 charities
including a personal check to the Marine Corps LEF for an additional cool $1 million.
The optics were terrible. It looked like a WAPO reporter shamed the Trump campaign into action.
It also looked like Corey Lewandowski and others in the campaign were sitting on the cash and lying about it.
No it just wasn't a good analogy. Neither is your second analogy to best business practices.
The fund raiser was for charities who provide services to Veterans in dire need, not parts of appliances or whatever.
I run a charity and we raised almost $11,000 for the National Kidney Foundation at my golf tournament in October. A couple of weeks after, once the checks had cleared and I had the final balance, I wrote a check for well over $10k. Over the next month, the few people who had promised to contribute but who weren't at the tournament gave me their checks. It cost me what ... 50 cents? - to mail each of those separately the day I got each of them. Of course, I didn't mingle that money with any campaign funds or other unethical stuff like Trump did - I have a separate bank account for the charity and it NEVER touches anything personally related to me, and vice versa.
Trump's wealthy friends donated huge checks that same day he had the rally, just as I got the bulk of my funds the day of the tournament. So Just Jim can't try the bullshit that the bulk of the money came trickling in over months via the website, as the next excuse for Trump's behavior. AT THE RALLY Trump announced they had cracked $6 million.
Damn, again over your heads. Does the Muscular Dystrophy start sending checks at the end of the telethon? Nope. They have to wait for pledges to come in. One can say "We raised you a million dollars." but if some of the pledges were bogus and never received, said million could be a percentage of that total. You have to have the money to disperse the money and I sure as hell would think that the fund raiser OR charity(s) (someone mentioned thirty) would need to know the actual money coming in. They can't take the word of all of the pledges and just start sending everyone their percentage if they don't know what the actual total is. The disbursements weren't all equal. Some got more than others and if you give charity 1 through 25 theirs, there may not be any left to meet the agreed upon dollar amount.
You'd better read up on this, your comments are getting sillier. A small group of his wealthy friends gave the bulk of the $6 million. He had the money a few days later and was not waiting for pledges. Most of it was NOT raised by his website (which, by the way - websites these days don't do pledges, you pay on the spot with PayPal, credit card, etc. - so the money would have cleared in a short period of time).
But keep up being the poster child for rationalizing Trump's corruption.
...............based on pledges.
Did you know as the tournament was progressing that that was going to be the total? By your next few statements, you didn't for sure because some of the money came trickling in by your own admission.
And you raised money for ONE entity. the NKF. It's a hell of a lot easier with one recipient that with thirty or more. See 5.1.14
Oh, please. You're embarrassing yourself. You may idolize Trump but it doesn't require you go to so such inane lengths to pretend he has any ethics or morals.
When the tournament ended, I knew exactly how much we had raised and what I owed the golf course, and knew I had 2 people who had said they'd give me $250 and $150, respectively. Neither of them was able to make the tournament after all. So, I didn't include the $400 in the total and I sent what I had to the NKF once the checks (for the bills I paid and the checks I received) had been paid. Then I sent the other two checks when I got them.
Trump claimed just a few days after his event that they had topped $6 million, and most of those were LARGE checks (500k, $1 million) from his friends, not money trickling in over the months. And Trump announced who would get the money - it was when journalists contacted the supposed recipients and found out they had NOT gotten the money that Trump finally paid up. So stop the bullshit.
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Sorry, Jim, I get your point but your not getting mine.
The Trump campaign co-mingled donations for the Vets and deposited the money in interest bearing accounts to earn interest that went to the campaign.
The Campaign was sued and lost in court in November of 2019 with a NY Supreme Court judge assessing a $2million fine
to be distributed to the same 30 charities.
Look who is comparing apples to spare tires.
Keep digging dude
So Trump evidently was full of bluster once again. Doesn't mean anything was withheld and the final tally, spread over the number of charities, could only be determined after.
But you guys carry on with your "But Trump" closed minded expert opinions.
Yes, as previously noted, over half of the funds, including Mr. Trump's personal check to MC-LEF for a million
were post marked May 24,2016 and mailed out overnight express,
your article was published May, 31, 2016.
Apparently several courts disagreed about the withholding part and the case found it's way to the NY Supreme Court which determined that
President Trump and his campaign owed the charities involved another $2million.
That is pretty undeniable proof that the campaign did many improper things, don't you agree?
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So which is better, a rat or an ass for a mascot???
I'll go with "ASS".
I'll at least touch a nice "ASS" from time to time.