Trump 'to get involved' in Thomas Modly-Capt. Brett Crozier dispute
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President Trump said Monday he is “going to get involved” in settling a heated dispute between Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly and former USS Theodore Roosevelt Capt. Brett Crozier , who was fired last week after writing a letter about a worsening coronavirus outbreak aboard his ship that was later published by the San Francisco Chronicle.
During a press conference at the White House, the president praised both men and said he doesn’t want Capt. Crozier ’s career to be ruined because of a “bad day.”
“I’ve heard very good things about the gentleman, both gentlemen,” Mr. Trump said. “I may just get involved … you have two good people and they’re arguing. And I’m good, believe it or not, at settling arguments.”
Capt. Crozier ’s “career prior to that was very good,” the president continued, “so I’m going to get involved and see exactly what’s going on there. Because I don’t want to destroy somebody for having a bad day.”
Mr. Trump did not specify exactly how he’ll get involved or what steps he’ll take to settle the controversy.
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It sounds like Trump wants to re-instate Captain Crozier.
What does this do to the argument that the Navy was correct in firing him?
No it doesn't.
"Fact Finding" is now concidered an endorsement ?
Shame on you, connecting Trump and "fact" in the same thought.
There's a difference between "Media Listening", and seeing Actual Results !
It's a bit hard to do at times....but TRY IT …..... for a "Real Change" !
Nothing, same as when he got "involved" in the Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher's case.
You had a decent argument about all this until Modly apologized yesterday afternoon.
My argument is the same. Modly's message was sound - his choice of words and tone made him an ass. The first part will always be true - the second part is why he had to step down.
Too soon to say that John.... Lets watch and listen.
From today's news, the Navy now knows that the virus entered the TR through normal rotations of the ships crew by aircraft
bringing new sailors aboard. Vietnam's virus outbreak was not involved.
Separately Defense Secretary Esper said Crozier's reinstatement was up to the Navy and if asked to, he would sign off on that reinstatement.
update : Modly has resigned
Cool! Another Trump arse kisser down.
Except a bigger 'arse kisser' is waiting in the wings.
When it comes to Trump, isn't there always one waiting to kneel? /s
Rightly so....... Disgraced the Navy by openly saying a C.O. was stupid.
Praise in public, chastise in private...
Amen.
This. I'm sure somebody will whine about transparency or something, but there is value in the policy you describe.
That is Navy Leadership in a nutshell.
Few are perfect and most fit reps are nothing but perfumed BS, but if they drummed out everyone who bucked the system now and then,
we'd be speaking another language under a different flag.
Trump involved in this fiasco too? Why doesn't he just hand it to Kushner, thereby allowing this matter to fade into a dust bin somewhere?
Both men seem to have had legitimate points to make and yet both went about expressing themselves inappropriately.
All's quiet on the western front JR.
Crozier is still quarantined a mile from his ship.
Modly is long gone.
What's a meddling POTUS to do.
I'm sure the Joint Chiefs can wait...
The Navy yesterday published it's COVID-19 Mitigation Framework to Preserve the Force and Preserve War Fighting Readiness
Just yesterday.....! What happened to all of our mandatory NBC training and procedures that took place during the Cold War?
Also yesterday the Navy Times reported that one of the Sailors from the TR died from Covid-19, and 600 of the crew have tested positive for the virus while on Guam. Evidently the outbreak on the carrier started in personnel assigned to the reactor department. The skipper was concerned in not having enough personnel to safely operate the nuclear propulsion systems in accordance with the non-flexible standards for those same systems.
There is still quite a bit more to this story that needs to come out about the Skipper feeling the need to write the letter he did, and the brass relieving him of his command. Furthermore, reports from the different commands look to be paralleling what we are seeing in the civilian world in not having sufficient PPE and little if any testing equipment.
All this being said, this boat (CVN-71) should be out at sea with her battlegroup. I agree with the skipper that we are not at war, but we always operate as if we are. It's that tip of the spear mindset. I have to wonder how our silent service commands are doing under these circumstances. We will never hear of course, but SSBNs have to go to sea, and their quarters are even tighter than those on the birdfarms....
Meanwhile, there's this tidbit of propaganda.
I don't think this boat has ever had, or been seen with more than 5 aircraft on deck.
That's a WTF moment.
There is going to be fallout here. Some specific to this particular issue and some more general to the larger pandemic issue. There should be no reason the military or the National Guard should ever be short of ppe. I'm hoping command has learned this lesson.
I concur.
585 confirmed Coronavirus on the AC and the sailor that was in ICU died.
My condolences to the family, friends and shipmates of the fallen sailor.
Same design as the Kuznetsov the Russians try to put to sea once a decade.
Due the ski ramp design, the aircraft can only get off the deck with half of their designed weapons and fuel loads due to simple physics. The PLN is still learning on how to operate high performance aircraft off of carriers. They are getting better, but can't come near western carrier operations..... (as long as they are at sea)
There is going to be fallout here.
The Navy brass will find a way for the whole thing to be blamed on some lowly E-2 or E-3.
I just don't get it. They seem to have been completely unprepared and had no direction about this.
There seemed to be no plan or no guidelines to mitigate.
I thought I had read that they showed it wasn't the Captain that released the information.
The Navy only published their mitigation plan for forces afloat yesterday........
As I keep asking.... what happened with the all the procedures we practiced for NBC warfare from decades ago? Those should have been applied, and if found to be insufficient, replaced by ones that would made a difference.
I think it is the Varyag (?) that the Russians sold to the Chinese as scrap in the 90's.
Better late than never? SMH
I agree, there should have been procedures, even if older ones.
Like was said before though, I still don't think we are getting the whole story.
Seems to be a mess from the top on down.
Varyag...
One in the same...
LOL! That's SOP. Seriously though, in the broader sense I don't think we can assign blame except to say that as a whole no one anywhere has really paid attention to those saying we had been long over due for something like this. We've gone from threat level orange and cover your windows and doors with plastic and duct tape to stay home and social distancing. It's a whole new mindset.
What I will never understand is how anyone could have taken this scenario for granted.
It was always a case of WHEN, not IF something like this was going to happen. It's like we never bothered to learn from the past. But then I guess I just answered the point didn't I.......
Some people still can't wrap their heads around what's going on and what this may mean long term.