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Former police officer arrested in park for throwing ball with daughter due to coronavirus social distancing rules

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  vic-eldred  •  6 years ago  •  67 comments

By:   By Jeffrey Cook , Clayton Sandell and Jennifer Leong

Former police officer arrested in park for throwing ball with daughter due to coronavirus social distancing rules
"Well, they didn't like that idea. They then proceeded to make a threat against me saying, 'If you don't give us your identification, if you don't identify yourself, we're going to put you in handcuffs in front of your 6-year-old daughter.'"

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In an incident caught on video, a former Colorado State Patrol trooper said he was handcuffed in front of his 6-year old daughter on a near-empty softball field Sunday by Brighton police officers enforcing  social distancing rules . The department apologized Tuesday afternoon, calling the incident an "overreach by our police officers."

Matt Mooney, 33, told ABC News he walked with his wife and daughter from their home to a nearby park Sunday to play softball.

"We're just having a good time, not near anybody else. The next closest person is at least 15 feet away from me and my daughter at this point," Mooney told ABC News.

Police arrived soon after, Mooney said, telling him and others in the area to leave because the park was closed.

Mooney said he told officers that he was familiar with the posted rules and believed he and his family were in compliance and practicing proper social distancing. He said he refused to provide his identification when officers asked for it because he had not broken any law.

"Well, they didn't like that idea. They then proceeded to make a threat against me saying, 'If you don't give us your identification, if you don't identify yourself, we're going to put you in handcuffs in front of your 6-year-old daughter.'"

Mooney said officers handcuffed him and placed him in a patrol car for about 10 to 15 minutes while they phoned a supervisor for guidance. The incident was captured on cellphone footage by former Brighton City Councilman Kirby Wallin.

"Yeah, it's Sunday and the Brighton police are apparently arresting a dad for throwing a ball to his daughter," Wallin is heard saying on the video.

In a statement, the Brighton Police Department said it was "deeply sorry" for the incident and is conducting an internal investigation.




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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

Embarrassing a man in front of his daughter?

How many here think this requires a lot more than an apology?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago
Embarrassing a man in front of his daughter?

Did you read the actual article?  The only person saying that he was arrested for social distancing, was the guy (not actually) arrested.  

  • He was contacted by police in the park.  Why?  Don't know.
  • He refused to provide the police with identification when they requested it.
  • They took him to their car and put him in the back seat.
  • 10 to 15 minutes later he was released without any charges.  Guess he was NOT arrested after all.

This article is based entirely on what Matt Mooney said, so a very one sided story.  From the info presented, nobody knows who was in the wrong, yet you guys are very happy to jump on the cops.  Deserving or not.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    6 years ago

Here:

"Mooney said officers handcuffed him and placed him in a patrol car for about 10 to 15 minutes while they phoned a supervisor for guidance. The incident was captured on cellphone footage by former Brighton City Councilman Kirby Wallin."

He did not resist arrest!

This took place in front of his daughter!

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.2  cjcold  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    6 years ago

Actually, by definition (cuffed and in the car), he was most definitely arrested.

He should have known that handing over his ID was SOP, guilty or not.

I'd be interested to know why he is no longer a trooper. Anger/authority issues?

Where's Paul Harvey when you need him for the Rest of the Story?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    6 years ago
Mooney said

Correct.  Mooney said

He did not resist arrest!

Point out where that claim was ever made!  By me, or in the article.  Show me that claim!!!

This took place in front of his daughter!

"Yes lieutenant, I caught the man that killed those 12 people, but he was with his daughter, so I had to let him go."

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Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  cjcold @1.1.2    6 years ago
Actually, by definition (cuffed and in the car), he was most definitely arrested.

Wrong!  He was placed in custody or detained.  There is a very legal difference between the 3. 

Many police officers will handcuff someone, and search them, before placing them in the back seat of the patrol car.  This is for the officer's protection, not necessarily an arrest.  It is all based on the reason the person was placed in the car, in this case, more than likely, to ascertain his identity.

He should have known that handing over his ID was SOP, guilty or not.

Absolutely!  And his refusal can be considered suspicious.

I'd be interested to know why he is no longer a trooper. Anger/authority issues?

Does sound like he has a bone to pick, doesn't it.

Where's Paul Harvey when you need him for the Rest of the Story?

Yes, we need the whole story before piling on Mooney or the cops.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    6 years ago

He isn’t required to give police his ID and the incident was captured on video, so there’s a little more to it than just his word. However, I agree  with you that their is probably more information to be had. We don’t know if it’s relevant yet.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  cjcold @1.1.2    6 years ago

He was detained and temporarily in custody, but not under arrest. Cops will probably say that they cuffed him and put him in the car for safety during their investigation - or some such bullshit. He is not required to show ID, but refusing is generally a good way to piss off the cops.

Each individual has to decide for themselves whether or not they want to risk that. I don’t know if insisting on your rights with your 6 year old daughter around is such a prudent choice, unless one likes the idea of their kid spending the rest of the day with CPS.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.5    6 years ago
He isn’t required to give police his ID

Depends on why they asked for it.  They have the absolute right to demand ID if circumstances demand.

and the incident was captured on video, so there’s a little more to it than just his word.

Yup, a video showing him talking to the police, then being put in handcuffs and placed in their patrol car, followed by being released.  That video is going to be a game changer! /s

 
 
 
zuksam
Junior Silent
1.2  zuksam  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago

My question is why is he a "former Colorado State Patrol trooper", he's only 33 so he isn't old enough to be retired so what's his deal.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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1.2.1  JaneDoe  replied to  zuksam @1.2    6 years ago

In the actual article it says he now runs a construction company. Maybe he was looking for something a little safer with a better paycheck for himself and his family. Who knows?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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1.2.2  Raven Wing   replied to  JaneDoe @1.2.1    6 years ago

My Father was a Ft Worth TX police officer for 15 years. Every day he went to work we did not know if he would come home, or we have to plan for his funeral. Then he was sent to the Texas Rangers for 4 years.

It was very stressful on the family. After 19 years he left the law forces and started his own plumbing contractor business. Way safer and better pay.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
1.2.3  JaneDoe  replied to  Raven Wing @1.2.2    6 years ago

15 years, wow! I can only imagine how you all must have worried about him. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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1.2.4  Raven Wing   replied to  JaneDoe @1.2.3    6 years ago

Thanks JaneDoe. Indeed it was a very trying time for our family, and especially for very young children to realize that any day our Father may not ever come home again.

And it was not much better for him as a Texas Ranger, as he was up against organized crime in the form of a large cattle rustling ring, and again a prime target.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago

There need to be policy changes and better education of officers throughout the policing industry. They also need to hire less bullies.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    6 years ago

I would say there is almost complete certainty that this arrest took place because of a personality conflict between the cop and the citizen, rather than because of draconian enforcement of "social distancing".  I bet they got off on a wrong foot and it escalated. 

One other thought, although not important.  

"We're just having a good time, not near anybody else. The next closest person is at least 15 feet away from me and my daughter at this point," Mooney told ABC News.

In a park setting, 15 feet away would actually be considered to be close.  Not clsoe enough to pass the virus though. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    6 years ago
I would say there is almost complete certainty that this arrest took place because of a personality conflict between the cop and the citizen, rather than because of draconian enforcement of "social distancing".  I bet they got off on a wrong foot and it escalated. 

I'm not sure an arrest took place, by I think I can go along on the rest of what you say. A similar thing happened to me when I was 20 years old. I was early for my first day of work at a new job. The place hadn't opened yet and I was just hanging around there. A police car pulled over and one of two cops questioned what I was doing there. I told them. The cop asked for my ID. I said I didn't have it with me and asked why they needed it? The cop was very upset and believe it or not they searched me and put me in the car. The cop started driving to the police station with the other one (the silent one) just staring at him. Eventually, the cop pulled over and apologized to me. I accepted the apology and told them I understood that I was out of line too. Had anything like that happened in front of my daughter, I would have probably assaulted one of them.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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3.2.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    6 years ago
Had anything like that happened in front of my daughter, I would have probably assaulted one of them.

What a fine example for someone to set for their child.

In addition, if one were to think that being 'embarrassed' justifies assaulting another human being, then I imagine they have experienced a lifetime of...dust-ups.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.2.1    6 years ago

There are times (most of the time) when the police need to be aggressive - as in with thugs who are resisting arrest.

Dealing with decent Americans would require a more humane conduct.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.3  Dulay  replied to  JohnRussell @3    6 years ago

This may be WHY they 'got off on the wrong foot: 

“We were told we had to leave because the park was closed,” Mooney said on Facebook. “I told the officers that I was not going to leave and they could write me a citation if they had to.”

Mooney didn’t leave the park after the rest of the group. Officers asked him for his ID, which Mooney refused to do.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Dulay @3.3    6 years ago

Yep. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
4  Sparty On    6 years ago

Cops hate it when they can’t dominate you.    Well at least the shitty ones do.    

Every dept seems to have its share of one bullet Barney’s.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
7  Tacos!    6 years ago

Seems excessive, but who knows? Maybe this guy was really like “fuck off coppers or I’ll kill you too!”

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
8  Freefaller    6 years ago

Ya mess with the bull yer gonna get the horns

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
9  Sparty On    6 years ago

Treat others as you would like to be treated.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
10  squiggy    6 years ago

""They could very simply be asymptomatic, not even know they're sick, and now I've been exposed. My daughter's been exposed; my wife's been exposed," said Mooney."

A scene from Super Troopers - looking for a payday. Move along.

 
 

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