Flynn Loses In Appeals Court, Case Sent Back To Judge

  

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Flynn Loses In Appeals Court, Case Sent Back To Judge

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Foreign Agent/Former NSA Michael Flynn loses bid to dismiss criminal charges against him. Case is returned to Judge Sullivan. Barr will have to explain his decision to not prosecute a two time guilty pleading perjurer.













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Former Trump advisor Michael Flynn loses appeal seeking quick dismissal of criminal case

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A federal appeals court on Monday rejected a bid by former national security advisor Michael Flynn to force the dismissal of the criminal case in which he had been convicted of lying to FBI agents.



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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

A win for the good guys. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

A ruling on procedure.

No big deal.

In an 8-2 ruling, the appeals court judges indicated that Flynn’s request was premature, since U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan of Washington had not yet even ruled on the dismissal request by the Justice Department. The ruling sends the case back for consideration by Sullivan. Sullivan could dismiss the case as requested, or reject that request and move toward sentencing Flynn. If he does not dismiss the case, his refusal is certain to be appealed.

Seems like some are prematurely celebrating, well, nothing, really.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    3 weeks ago

Bill Barr will now have to explain why he wants all the charges against Flynn dropped, so it is more than a procedural decision.  It means that Flynn could still end up in prison. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

Quote that from your own source, please, I didn't see anything remotely close to that in the article. The case goes back to the judge, and he will either dismiss the case or proceed, which will then be appealed.

Not a thing about Barr having to do anything at all in your article.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

The DOJ will have to explain to Sullivan why they think the charges should be dropped. He will have a hearing, not a cursory dismissal. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

No, Sullivan has all the information already. Now all he has to do is to decide to drop the charges or not. Nothing more, nothing less. And if he decides to not drop it, it will be appealed.

Where does your article claim Barr must do anything at all? Or did you get that from a different source?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
Bill Barr will now have to explain why he wants all the charges against Flynn dropped

Really simple and honest answer is  'Your honor, the FBI investigating former NSA General Flynn hid exculpatory evidence from his former defense attorney, who also failed to inform General Flynn that the law firm he had hired was staffed by former people who were investigating him.'

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    3 weeks ago
The DOJ will have to explain to Sullivan why they think the charges should be dropped.

See the response in 1.1.5.

Same answer

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    3 weeks ago
A ruling on procedure. No big deal.

Wait WHAT?

When the three-judge panel of the same court ruled for Flynn, there was a seed here that called it a BIG WIN. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.1.7    3 weeks ago

what part did you not understand?

I didn't seed it that I remember, so maybe you should ask who did.

the court is giving Sullivan a chance to dismiss on his own.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.1.9  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.8    3 weeks ago
the court is giving Sullivan a chance to dismiss on his own

the left has a hard time understanding "process"

every decision seems final to them like something is over or something... LOL

if need be this will go to the supreme court and that rouge judge will lose hands down.


 

the judge is doing whatever he can to keep flynn's gag order in place for as long as possible.

   of course this tactic will eventually fail. 

in time and soon enough flynn is going to have some really interesting things to say and that worries a lot of people.

 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.8    3 weeks ago
what part did you not understand?

No part Tex. 

I didn't seed it that I remember, so maybe you should ask who did.

I made a statement, I didn't ask you anything. 

the court is giving Sullivan a chance to dismiss on his own.

No. The appeals court sent it back to Judge Sullivan to rule Flynn's case as he sees fit. Judge Sullivan could sentence Flynn. If I were Sullivan, I'd vacate his plea agreement and nail Flynn with the highest sentence possible. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.1.10    3 weeks ago
The appeals court sent it back to Judge Sullivan to rule Flynn's case as he sees fit.

If that is what you choose to believe, have at it.

They sent it back because he hasn't ruled yet. 

the three judge panel had earlier ordered the case to be dropped. The appeal was filed and the whole court said that the case was premature as Sullivan had not issued a ruling yet.

Judge Sullivan could sentence Flynn.

yes, and the sentence, if handed down, will be immediately appealed.

No way Flynn does any time.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.1.12  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @1.1.10    3 weeks ago
Judge Sullivan could sentence Flynn.

sillivan is going to fail on every count.

if need be the supreme court will see to that.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.13  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.1.12    3 weeks ago

Judge Sullivan was JUST successful. 

Fail. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.14  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

Barr had better worry about the charges that he will face next year.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.1.15  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @1.1.13    3 weeks ago
Judge Sullivan was JUST successful. 

did he successfully stall for time?    yes

will he win the game?  not a chance.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.16  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.1.15    3 weeks ago
did he successfully stall for time?    yes

What do you think that Judge Sullivan needs time for 8?  

will he win the game?  not a chance.

Oh now I get it. You are under the illusion that this is some kind of fucking game. 

Ridiculous. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.1.17  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @1.1.16    3 weeks ago
What do you think that Judge Sullivan needs time for 8?  

flynn has a gag order on him that evaporates when the case ends.

my bet is sullivan will drag this out past the election to keep flynn under that gag order.

Oh now I get it

no,,, you don't. maybe stop playing with your imagination?  its a thought.


 in time you will see flynn walk free as a bird and then we will hear from flynn what they don't want us to know.

it will be fun :)

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.18  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.1.17    3 weeks ago
flynn has a gag order on him that evaporates when the case ends. my bet is sullivan will drag this out past the election to keep flynn under that gag order.

Flynn isn't under a fucking gag order. Just stop.  

no,,, you don't.

Yep, clear as can be.

You could hear from Flynn tomorrow if he had the gonads to speak up. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.1.19  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @1.1.18    3 weeks ago
You could hear from Flynn tomorrow if he had the gonads to speak up.

violate the gag order and give that rouge judge a chance to actually lock him up?

that is your legal advice?     don't represent yourself in court.

and don't worry about flynn, we got plenty of time to let the process play out.    no rush.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.20  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.1.19    3 weeks ago
violate the gag order and give that rouge judge a chance to actually lock him up?
that is your legal advice?     don't represent yourself in court. and don't worry about flynn, we got plenty of time to let the process play out.    no rush.

Fine, post a link to prove that Flynn is under a gag order.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.1.21  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @1.1.20    3 weeks ago
post a link to prove that Flynn is under a gag order.

do I look like your puppet?   learn to use google...

keywords hint:    michael flynn gag order

have a great night :)

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.22  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.1.21    3 weeks ago
do I look like your puppet?   learn to use google...

keywords hint:    michael flynn gag order

have a great night

Since you are unwilling to admit that your claim is a LIE, I invite other members to do just that and prove it to themselves. I suggest that you all review the July interview with Flynn's attorney @ NTD.com:

Mr. Jekielek:  Fascinating, and so is he under a gag order?

Ms. Powell: No, there’s no real gag order.

Flynn is NOT under a gag order. PERIOD, full stop. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago
A win for the good guys. 

not a chance the left are the good guys or that they won.

if nothing else, the supreme court will crush that rouge judge's dreams.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Maybe he will tweet more support for QAnon so we can be entertained while waiting for the outcome of this case. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
3  Gsquared    3 weeks ago

Good result.  Lock him up!

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3    3 weeks ago

LMAO.

Do you even understand what the ruling was?

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Sure you do, being a fantastical internet lawyer and all!

LMAO!

So, in your esteemed legal opinion, what was the ruling, and what is accomplished by it?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

So, in your esteemed legal opinion, what was the ruling, and what is accomplished by it?

The ruling was Flynn ain't pardoned just yet, as was Trump's lowered Barr objective, and Y U continue to look for a glimpse of something positive for a Flynn not being held accountable, but attack and want so many Dems "locked up", tells more than you don't think, cause it accomplishes an actual step towards reigning in the 'pussy grabber in chief, banger of pornstars paid well asz documented in the anals' of the HiStory, where there is dis-belief, as N E ONE, should be able to see the HIPPOCRACY !

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.1.4  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

If you want my legal opinion, you can pay my hourly fees, if you can afford them.

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.1.5  Gsquared  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

Good response

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.3    3 weeks ago
The ruling was Flynn ain't pardoned just

Patently false, and if you don't know it, you should have.

In fact, nothing in your entire post is the least responsive to what was asked of another internet lawyer.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.4    3 weeks ago

[Deleted] You may be taking this whole internet lawyer thingie a little too far, however.

I didn't actually expect you to have anything to really say about the ruling anyways.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.8  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.6    3 weeks ago

In fact, nothing in your entire post is the least responsive to what was asked of another internet lawyer.

well then. mission accomplished

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.8    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.8    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.1.11  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.7    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.12  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Even my cat understands better.

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.1.13  Gsquared  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.12    3 weeks ago

Your cat is probably intelligent.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
3.1.14  Release The Kraken  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.13    3 weeks ago

I think that as a euphemism.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.15  bugsy  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.4    3 weeks ago
If you want my legal opinion, you can pay my hourly fees, if you can afford them.

I'll buy you a coke and a candy bar. Probably not worth much more than that.

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.1.16  Gsquared  replied to  bugsy @3.1.15    3 weeks ago

I've read lots of your comments.  I wouldn't give a plug nickel for any of them.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.17  bugsy  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.16    3 weeks ago

Nobody asked you to. I'm not an ambulance chaser

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.1.18  Gsquared  replied to  bugsy @3.1.17    3 weeks ago

A good dose of Raid would take care of your problem.

 
 
 
bugsy
3.1.19  bugsy  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.18    3 weeks ago

Like usual you made no sense. Maybe it's time you quit while your not ahead?

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Your ad?

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.1.20  Gsquared  replied to  bugsy @3.1.19    3 weeks ago

Like usual your nonsense is meaningless.  You can go play with your other reactionary buddies.  They might be interested in what you have to say.  I'm not.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.16    3 weeks ago
"I've read lots of your comments.  I wouldn't give a plug nickel for any of them."

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Tessylo
3.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @3.1.19    3 weeks ago

You're not even in the race/running bugs.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3    3 weeks ago

lock him up?

hilarious.

either Sullivan will dismiss or a higher court will on appeal.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2    3 weeks ago

It will be all worth it to get the DOJ on record for their reasoning behind dismissing Trump's pal. If it's anything like the other briefs submitted by Trump's DOJ, it should be a hilarious read. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.1    3 weeks ago

they are already on record. what do you think this is all about?

smh

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.3  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2    3 weeks ago

Playing "fantastical" internet lawyer again?  Talk about hilarious...

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.3    3 weeks ago

so you are now going to dispute the fact that the JD is already on record?

Or are you disputing what Sullivan can do?

either way shows lack of understanding.

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.5  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.4    3 weeks ago

You're the "fantastical" internet lawyer, you must understand everything... Really hilarious... 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.5    3 weeks ago

well, then. at least that would make one of us understanding and the other banging on their keyboard.

perhaps in your infinite internet lawyer wisdom, you can point out Sullivan's options--- besides dismissing the case or sentencing Flynn, which of course will be appealed immediately.

your post would lead someone to think i didn't state his options correctly. so inform me of what his other options are 

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.7  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.6    3 weeks ago

You're trying to get me to have a serious discussion with you?

Ok, I give in.  Sullivan can sentence or dismiss.  I don't see that there are other options available to him in this instance.

Now, you can get back to banging on your keyboard.  All that LMAO stuff you're always banging on about.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.7    3 weeks ago

which is exactly har I stated earlier and you somehow felt compelled to respond to me, saying I didn't understand. 

looks like I understand perfectly!

not bad for a layperson who doesn't pretend to be a lawyer!

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.9  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.8    3 weeks ago

Go back over some of your past comments.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.9    3 weeks ago

I will be more than happy to explain any of my posts if you didn't understand them.

please specify which posts you are referring to.

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.11  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.10    3 weeks ago

I understand everything you say.  I am referring to comments in the past where you have come across like a pretend internet lawyer, since you dispute or deny it.  I don't need to show you.  You know what they are.  No response needed, but I know you'll probably feel better if you have a defensive response.  It's ok.  That's all.  Good bye.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.12  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.2    3 weeks ago
they are already on record. what do you think this is all about? smh

Seriously Tex, go READ the ruling and then read the Amicus Curiae brief. If you need help understanding them, ask Gsquared. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.13  Dulay  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.7    3 weeks ago
I don't see that there are other options available to him in this instance.

Couldn't Sullivan also issue an order to show cause for why Flynn shouldn't be held in criminal contempt for perjury? THAT should be a comical brief from the DOJ. Or even better, a hearing transcript. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.12    3 weeks ago

I don't need him to explain anything to me. Or you either.

He took exception to what I stated, only to later admit that I was right.

And if you can't tell from all that reading you have done that the Justice Dept. has already made clear their stand, then I can't help you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.15  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.11    3 weeks ago

buh-bye!

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.16  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.14    3 weeks ago
I don't need him to explain anything to me. Or you either.

Yes Tex, I have heard there are those that believe that ignorance is bliss. I do not hold to that belief. 

He took exception to what I stated, only to later admit that I was right.

Sounds like you boys have issues. 

And if you can't tell from all that reading you have done that the Justice Dept. has already made clear their stand, then I can't help you.

No Tex, when it comes to understanding the law, you can't. 

Yet YOU were the one that asked:

Do you even understand what the ruling was?

You obviously don't and you aren't curious enough to read the fucking thing. Though even that may not help. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.17  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.16    3 weeks ago
Yes Tex, I have heard there are those that believe that ignorance is bliss. I do not hold to that belief. 

Okay, that is great.

Sounds like you boys have issues.

Me, no. You'd have to ask him.

I know what the ruling was, and more importantly, I know why it was.

it will be a bitter pill for you to swallow when that rogue judge gets shot down by the higher court if he doesn't drop this case.

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.18  Gsquared  replied to  Dulay @3.2.13    3 weeks ago

Yes.  You are right.  The Judge could issue an order to show cause re: criminal contempt.  Flynn either lied when he admitted guilt, or he lied when he attempted to rescind.  Very good point.

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.19  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.14    3 weeks ago

BTW You're misapprehension is that I said you were wrong.  Nothing in the record shows I stated that.  As is not unusual, you misinterpreted what was said.

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.20  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.17    3 weeks ago

You could learn a whole lot from Dulay.  And there you go playing internet lawyer again.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
3.2.21  gooseisgone  replied to  Dulay @3.2.13    3 weeks ago

Please explain how Sullivan is going to charge Flynn. Is he now a prosecutor and the judge? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.22  Texan1211  replied to  gooseisgone @3.2.21    3 weeks ago

Shhhh...we aren't supposed tp know stuff like that, seeing as how we aren't brilliant internet lawyers and all!

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.23  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  gooseisgone @3.2.21    3 weeks ago
Is he now a prosecutor and the judge? 

that's how communists do it.    so, of course that is what they expect from sullivan.

the funny part is they think it will work...  LOL

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.24  Dulay  replied to  gooseisgone @3.2.21    3 weeks ago

Your comment illustrates how little you know about the Court. 

A Judge can hold someone in contempt of court. I suggest before you enter a courtroom that you review the awesome autocratic powers that Judges hold. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.25  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.22    3 weeks ago
Shhhh...we aren't supposed tp know stuff like that, seeing as how we aren't brilliant internet lawyers and all!

You must have missed that his comment illustrated a LACK of knowledge Tex.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.26  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2.23    3 weeks ago

Thank you for completing the trifecta of uninformed comments. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.27  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.17    3 weeks ago
I know what the ruling was, and more importantly, I know why it was. it will be a bitter pill for you to swallow when that rogue judge gets shot down by the higher court if he doesn't drop this case.

Your second sentence contradicts your first sentence. 

Contrary to your uninformed claim, Judge Sullivan's argument to the appeals court was upheld. 

FAIL.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.28  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.25    3 weeks ago

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Dulay
3.2.29  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.28    3 weeks ago
Gee, I am so sorry.

That is an amazing feat of self awareness. 

I always forget tat you and you alone know anything about anything.

You could remedy that by seeking knowledge for yourself but alas, you continue to refuse to do the work. 

thanks for letting me live in your world!

As far as I'm concerned, your only place in any world is right here on this forum. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.30  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.29    3 weeks ago

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gooseisgone
3.2.31  gooseisgone  replied to  Dulay @3.2.24    3 weeks ago
I suggest before you enter a courtroom that you review the awesome autocratic powers that Judges hold. 

Oh....excuse me Mr Internet Lawyer for asking the question, Seems Jonathan Turley is asking a similar question.

At some point, the court risks the appearance of assuming both prosecutorial and judicial functions.  A perjury charge leaves the appearance of a court imposing its own notion of justice through a dubious judicially-mandated criminal charge. https://jonathanturley.org/2020/05/14/judge-sullivan-orders-review-of-possible-perjury-charge-against-flynn/#:~:text=Judge%20Sullivan%20To%20Consider%20Perjury%20Charge%20Against%20Flynn.,Flynn%20should%20face%20a%20perjury%20charge%20from%20

Maybe you should debate him with your vast knowledge of internet law..

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.32  Dulay  replied to  gooseisgone @3.2.31    3 weeks ago
Oh....excuse me Mr Internet Lawyer for asking the question, Seems Jonathan Turley is asking a similar question.

Yet Turley doesn't ask a question in your quote, DOES HE? 

Maybe you should debate him with your vast knowledge of internet law..

I see you can't refute my comment so you try to use Turley. Both of you FAILED. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.2.33  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  gooseisgone @3.2.31    3 weeks ago
A perjury charge leaves the appearance of a court imposing its own notion of justice through a dubious judicially-mandated criminal charge.

Turley is just using circular logic to confuse conservatives who are apparently his biggest fans now. The fact is, courts MUST have the ability to penalize people who lie in court. If there was no compunction to tell the truth and no penalty for lying your ass off, how well do you think our justice system would operate? The threat of perjury is intended to evoke truth, and if a defendant gets caught in a lie they must be held accountable for disregarding the laws of our nation and our justice system. Turley knows this and doesn't give any suggestion for a remedy because he knows there isn't one, just dropping the risk of a perjury charge would be catastrophic.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.34  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.32    3 weeks ago

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Dulay
3.2.35  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.34    3 weeks ago

Where have I inferred that Flynn CAN'T walk free Tex?

Hint: NOWHERE. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.36  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @3.2.26    3 weeks ago
Thank you for completing the trifecta of uninformed comments.

you got me beat by a mile.... LOL

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.37  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2.36    3 weeks ago
you got me beat by a mile.... LOL

Did you just figure that out? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.38  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @3.2.37    3 weeks ago
"you got me beat by a mile.... LOL"

"Did you just figure that out?"

Freaking hilarious!!!!

You just had me literally laughing out loud at that one. . . .
 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.39  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @3.2.37    3 weeks ago
Did you just figure that out? 

nah, nothing new.    when it comes to bs comments you are king.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
3.2.40  gooseisgone  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.33    3 weeks ago
just dropping the risk of a perjury charge would be catastrophic.

The case has already been dropped, both parties agreed to that,  Flynn was never charged with perjury in the first place that's Sullivan's idea along with floating treason in open court.  

 
 
 
gooseisgone
3.2.41  gooseisgone  replied to  Dulay @3.2.32    3 weeks ago
Yet Turley doesn't ask a question in your quote, DOES HE?  Is he now a prosecutor and the judge vs  risks the appearance of assuming both prosecutorial and judicial functions

Oh yes....Mr Internet Lawyer these are vastly different, I see your point, I am glad I can point out how crazy I was to doubt you.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.42  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.35    3 weeks ago

Where have I stated that you said Flynn couldn't walk free, Dulay?

Hint: NOWHERE.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.43  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.29    3 weeks ago
That is an amazing feat of self awareness. 

Thanks.

You could remedy that by seeking knowledge for yourself but alas, you continue to refuse to do the work. 

So you say. I disagree. But I am sure you know what I read or watch 24/7/365.

As far as I'm concerned, your only place in any world is right here on this forum.

Good to know, I guess. Of course, had I actually cared, I would have asked for your opinion.

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.44  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.43    3 weeks ago

You've admitted that you're a closet Rachel Maddow fan and you watch her all the time.  That should get you ostracized by the other reactionaries.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.45  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.44    3 weeks ago
You've admitted that you're a closet Rachel Maddow fan and you watch her all the time. 

Is that just the very best thing you could think of to make up about me?

I don't believe I have ever said that I was a fan, but you go right ahead and quote me saying that--IF you can, of course.

What do you hope to gain by writing such an obvious untruth about me?

I DO watch her occasionally, as like most folks, I need a good laugh every now and then, and sometimes there just isn't anyone funny on here. Thank God now is NOT that time!

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.46  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.45    3 weeks ago

I only respond to your comments to see if you're going to do the swearing thing... because that's funny!

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.47  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.46    3 weeks ago

And I read yours because they are sometimes entertaining and I am always curious what you will make up next!

I always hope that you will at least keep it semi-believable, but sometimes your comments are mere disappointments.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.48  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.46    3 weeks ago

Shouldn't you be watching Tucker Carlson right now, anyways?

No time for chit-chat for you!

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.49  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.46    3 weeks ago
"I only respond to your comments to see if you're going to do the swearing thing... because that's funny!"

LMAO!

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.50  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.47    3 weeks ago

mere disappointments

Sadly, yes, I find your comments to be just that... unless you're doing the swearing thing, of course.

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.51  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.48    3 weeks ago

Shouldn't you be watching Tucker Carlson right now, anyways?

I would have to disinfect the entire house if I watched that POS.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.52  Gsquared  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.49    3 weeks ago

"LMAO!"

Hey, you're stealing one of his best bits.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.53  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.50    3 weeks ago

Thanks, I will take your mimicry of my posts as a sign of "I can't think of anything on my own, so I'll use your words instead of my own".

Gracias!

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.54  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.53    3 weeks ago

Don't take it wrong, like you just did.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.55  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2.39    3 weeks ago
nah, nothing new.    when it comes to bs comments you are king.

When it come to obtuse comments, all bow to you...

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.56  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.51    3 weeks ago
I would have to disinfect the entire house if I watched that POS.  

Really, and here you declared yourself a HUGE Tucker fanboy!!!.

"POS"--always entertaining stuff!

Thanks!

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.57  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.54    3 weeks ago
  Don't take it wrong, like you just did.

ooh, is there where you tell me how I took it now?

Hang on, let me get a drink so I can properly enjoy this!

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.58  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.56    3 weeks ago
Thanks, I will take your mimicry of my posts as a sign of "I can't think of anything on my own, so I'll use your words instead of my own". Gracias!

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.59  Dulay  replied to  gooseisgone @3.2.41    3 weeks ago
Oh yes....Mr Internet Lawyer these are vastly different, I see your point, I am glad I can point out how crazy I was to doubt you.  

Let's review:

Seems Jonathan Turley is asking a similar question.
At some point, the court risks the appearance of assuming both prosecutorial and judicial functions.  A perjury charge leaves the appearance of a court imposing its own notion of justice through a dubious judicially-mandated criminal charge.

Not ONE question mark. 

Sadly, it's all too easy for all to see that you are incapable of taking responsibility for your own comments. Well done. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.60  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.58    3 weeks ago
Thanks, I will take your mimicry of my posts as a sign of "I can't think of anything on my own, so I'll use your words instead of my own". Gracias!

I guess we are done here, unless you decide to try to use your own words for a while. Might be a refreshing change of pace, you know!

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.61  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.42    3 weeks ago
Where have I stated that you said Flynn couldn't walk free, Dulay? Hint: NOWHERE.

Hard to tell since your comment was a violation. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.62  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.57    3 weeks ago

let me get a drink so I can properly enjoy this

That's a problem.  Did you have to walk more than 12 steps?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.63  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.61    3 weeks ago
Hard to tell since your comment was a violation. 

You know what it said before it was deleted.

So why would it be so hard for you?

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.64  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.60    3 weeks ago

That's just a reminder.  You set the standards.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.65  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.62    3 weeks ago
That's a problem. 

Why is that a problem for you?

Did you have to walk more than 12 steps?

Nope--I got the BIG cup when I saw you were on again.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.66  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.64    3 weeks ago

Senseless.

Expected.

Old.

Tired.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.67  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.43    3 weeks ago
So you say. I disagree. But I am sure you know what I read or watch 24/7/365.

I can only judge from the what you post here Tex. Perhaps if you were to post comments that illustrate a cogent understanding of the topic, it would be different. But your comments speak for themselves and they don't tell a pretty story.

It's unfortunate that you're unwilling to invest the time to educate yourself though I do have to wonder why you and yours have such contempt for those of us that do. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.68  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.65    3 weeks ago

I don't need to get a drink to enjoy something.

 
 
 
Gsquared
3.2.69  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.66    3 weeks ago

Old.

Tired.

In that case, I'd say it's time for you to get to bed.  Nighty, night.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.70  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.67    3 weeks ago
I can only judge from the what you post here Tex. Perhaps if you were to post comments that illustrate a cogent understanding of the topic, it would be different. But your comments speak for themselves and they don't tell a pretty story

Sorry, it isn't my job to educate you or to get you to like what I post. 

And you haven't got clue one about what I educate myself on. But sometimes it is a real hoot when you post that you think you do!

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.71  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.45    3 weeks ago
Is that just the very best thing you could think of to make up about me?

Wow! For a second there I had a twinge of respect boil up but you've eliminated that cognitive dissonance. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.72  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.69    3 weeks ago

Time for a snickers.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.73  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.69    3 weeks ago
"In that case, I'd say it's time for you to get to bed.  Nighty, night."

jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.74  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.69    3 weeks ago
In that case, I'd say it's time for you to get to bed.

OOPS!

My mistake--I simply forgot for a second the intended audience.

Here, maybe this will illuminate it for you better (Keep forgetting I must be precise and exact with every word, as not everyone can surmise meanings)

Your POST is old, tired, senseless and expected.

Hope that clears it up for ya!

jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.75  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.71    3 weeks ago
Wow! For a second there I had a twinge of respect boil up but you've eliminated that cognitive dissonance. 

Oh, dang it, and here I am, just living a meaningless existence without your vaunted approval, too!

So disappointing!

jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.76  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.68    3 weeks ago
I don't need to get a drink to enjoy something.

Fantastic!!!!!!!

Kudos!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.77  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.63    3 weeks ago
You know what it said before it was deleted. So why would it be so hard for you?

Well because you asked:

Where have I stated that you said Flynn couldn't walk free, Dulay?

Since your comment is GONE, it's impossible to see WHERE, isn't it Tex? So NOW, you can claim your comment said whatever the fuck you want to and so can I. So WTF is the POINT? Just stop. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.78  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.70    3 weeks ago
Sorry, it isn't my job to educate you or to get you to like what I post. 

Nor I you Tex and I'm thankful for not being responsible to fulfill that impossible task. 

And you haven't got clue one about what I educate myself on.

Oh but I can judge by your posts what you HAVEN'T educated yourself on...

But sometimes it is a real hoot when you post that you think you do!

You illustrate your own lack of knowledge Tex, I just call it out.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.79  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.77    3 weeks ago
Since your comment is GONE, it's impossible to see WHERE, isn't it Tex? So NOW, you can claim your comment said whatever the fuck you want to and so can I. So WTF is the POINT? Just stop.

So why DID you bring it up AGAIN when you say there is no point?

That doesn't make sense.

But it's okay.

jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.80  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.78    3 weeks ago
Oh but I can judge by your posts what you HAVEN'T educated yourself on...

oh, I just LIVE to be judged by you! 

I can die a happy man now that YOU have passed judgment on me!
Whew!

jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.81  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.75    3 weeks ago

Oh no worries Tex. Even were I to feel a tinge of respect, I would never approve. Too much history. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.82  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.81    3 weeks ago
Oh no worries Tex. Even were I to feel a tinge of respect, I would never approve. Too much history. 

Man, you can not even IMAGINE my disappointment now!

Whatever shall I do without a stamp of approval?

It makes me so sad.

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Gsquared
3.2.83  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.74    3 weeks ago

You're still up this late?

The POST you are complaining about is YOUR OWN WORDS.  No wonder you need a drink.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.84  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.83    3 weeks ago
You're still up this late?

caught that by yourself, did ya?

Congrats!

The POST you are complaining about is YOUR OWN WORDS.

Hey, let's do this, okay?

When I complain about a post, I will let you know, okay? Otherwise, please don't assume.

No wonder you need a drink.

yep! Iced coffee---got to stay awake this late, don't ya know!

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Gsquared
3.2.85  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.84    3 weeks ago

That thing is really ugly.  Put it away.

Just so it's clear.  When you write "Your POST is old, tired, expected and senseless" you're not complaining?  Ok Good enough.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.86  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.85    3 weeks ago
That thing is really ugly.  Put it away.

Nope.

Just so it's clear. 

That would be swell.

When you write "Your POST is old, tired, expected and senseless" you're not complaining? 

Some people can discern the difference between complaining and noting something.

. Ok Good enough.

Awesome!

th?id=OIP.TKeqRz_tgWyM-pijuPbP8QHaH_&w=135&h=160&c=8&rs=1&qlt=90&dpr=1.25&pid=3.1&rm=2

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.87  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.79    3 weeks ago
So why DID you bring it up AGAIN when you say there is no point?

That doesn't make sense.

But it's okay.

What doesn't make sense is your BS that I brought it up 'AGAIN'. You know that members can follow the conversation and comment numbers for themselves right Tex. Just stop. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.88  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.80    3 weeks ago
oh, I just LIVE to be judged by you!  I can die a happy man now that YOU have passed judgment on me! Whew!

Sorry to disappoint you Tex but my judgement is of your comments. I'll leave judging members to you and yours. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.89  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.82    3 weeks ago

Learn to live with it...

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.90  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.87    3 weeks ago

Sure I do!

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Texan1211
3.2.91  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.88    3 weeks ago
Sorry to disappoint you Tex but my judgement is of your comments.  

You can't disappoint me, ever, because I have absolutely no expectations of you.

 I'll leave judging members to you and yours. 

Sure.jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.92  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.89    3 weeks ago
Learn to live with it...

Done!

jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.93  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.91    3 weeks ago

You just claimed that you recognized that members can follow the conversation. Yet after you stated:

So disappointing!

and

Man, you can not even IMAGINE my disappointment now!

You post this:

You can't disappoint me, ever, because I have absolutely no expectations of you.

jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

You've just hammered the last nail into the coffin wherein lies the credibility of your future comments.  

 
 
 
gooseisgone
3.2.94  gooseisgone  replied to  Dulay @3.2.59    3 weeks ago
Is he now a prosecutor and the judge vs  risks the appearance of assuming both prosecutorial and judicial functions

Who is sad?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.95  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.93    3 weeks ago

yes my utmost concern in life is your opinion of Me!

😀

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.96  Dulay  replied to  gooseisgone @3.2.94    3 weeks ago

Why are you block quoting yourself and replying to me? 

Oh I note that you found the question mark on your keyboard. Well done. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4  Trout Giggles    3 weeks ago

"Lucy! Ya got some 'splaining to do!"

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5  Sean Treacy    3 weeks ago

Not really a surprise. A writ of mandamus is an extraordinary step.   Basically, they gave Sullivan another chance to dismiss the case on his own.  

 
 
 
JBB
6  JBB    3 weeks ago

A Vic Vic Victory for Good Guys Against Trumpism!

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @6    3 weeks ago

What exactly do you think was won here?

LMAO!

 
 
 
Texan1211
7  Texan1211    3 weeks ago

Looks like some on the left are all giddy over, well, basically, nothing.

Surprise, surprise!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @7    3 weeks ago

Well, were not "giddy" over another of Trumps' "best and brightest" , who PLEADED GUILTY TWICE, not being punished after the LIAR in CHIEF again tried to influence his corrupted life,  long association with other LIARS,thieves, con men, and hose grabbin rostitues, who gave him their P

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7.1    3 weeks ago

good to know.

I'll file that in the circular file pronto!

 
 
 
devangelical
8  devangelical    3 weeks ago

give that traitor a tube of KY and toss him over the fence at gitmo with his new friends.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @8    3 weeks ago

!Wishful thinking, not based in reality.

 
 
 
PJ
9  PJ    3 weeks ago

They need to slow walk this and wait until after January 2021. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @9    3 weeks ago

not going to happen

 
 
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