'Antifa' website cited in conservative media attack on Biden is linked to — wait for it — Russia

  

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Via:  jbb  •  3 weeks ago  •  144 comments

By:   Hunter WalkerAugust 12, 2020, 8:47 PM (YahooNews)

'Antifa' website cited in conservative media attack on Biden is linked to — wait for it — Russia
One America News chief White House correspondent Chanel Rion used a Russian-linked site to take a shot at the Democratic ticket.

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a6f427a0-0ae8-11e9-b7b9-b16ed2c680e2 Hunter WalkerAugust 12, 2020, 8:47 PM

WASHINGTON — At his press briefing Wednesday, President Trump, as he usually does, called for a question from Chanel Rion, the chief White House correspondent for the conservative One America News network, which has at times replaced Fox News as the president's favorite news outlet. Rion's question had nothing to do with COVID-19 or the economic recovery Trump had been boasting about, but instead brought up an obscure website, antifa.com.

"I wanted to highlight a kind of odd situation. In the last hour or so, if you googled 'antifa.com,' it would take you straight to Joe Biden's website — his official campaign website — odd situation," Rion said, adding, "We don't know who's behind that."

Rion went on to suggest the site posed "an interesting leadership question" for the former vice president and his running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif.

"Should Joe Biden, the Democrat Party, Kamala Harris, should they publicly denounce the antifa as a domestic terrorist organization?" Rion asked the president.

It's not clear why she thought it raised that question, though, since there is no evidence that the Biden campaign had anything to do with antifa.com, or vice versa. Instead, the phenomenon cited by Rion had a clear link to Russia.

The people in control of any website can redirect to another, without the permission or even knowledge of the second site. Nothing Rion described would indicate direct involvement by Biden's campaign, which did not respond to a request for comment on this story.

Records for "antifa.com" in the domain name database Whoisology.com show the site was registered in the Russian Federation from 2013 through last July. Starting last November, the site's registration was moved to Panama, The website has always been anonymously registered and its owners could not be reached for comment.

After briefly redirecting to Biden's page on Wednesday, the site went dark. Based on copies of the site on the Internet Archive, it was blank from 2013 until June of this year when it began to feature a message in support of the protests that erupted around the U.S. following the killing of George Floyd. The page declared, "we are actively increasing Membership" but provided no contact information for anyone interested in joining.

"We Are Antifa: Join Us & Take Action," the note said, adding, "More to come ... Check back regularly for updates & How you can be part of something that is changing the world."

The U.S. intelligence community concluded the Russian government conducted a campaign to intervene in the 2016 election in order to help Trump and hurt his Democratic opponents. That effort included extensive usage of disinformation, Kremlin owned media outlets, and social media. U.S. intelligence officials have said the Russian government is engaged in a similar effort during this year's race.

Russian state media have highlighted tensions around the Floyd protests. In June, a Department of Homeland Security bulletin indicated the agency was aware of "covert proxies and social media accounts" that were working with foreign rivals and their state media outlets to use the demonstrations to paint a bleak picture of the situation in the U.S.

"Russian influence actors, in particular, have a history of using online tools to covertly amplify content concerning protest activity in the United States, including rhetoric that may seek to incite violence at such events," the bulletin said.

Rion's question provided Trump an opportunity to highlight one of his favorite campaign themes, the supposed far-left stance of Biden and, as of this week, Harris. Trump claimed leftists who have been protesting and engaging in vandalism around the country are "part of" Biden's campaign. While many of the protesters oppose Trump, they do not all support Biden. Antifa, short for "antifascist," is a movement that has no clear organization. Trump went on to tout his administration's efforts to clamp down on looting and vandalism by protesters with an aggressive response from federal troops.

"It's virtually a part of their campaign, antifa," Trump said. "The Democrats act like, 'Gee, I don't know exactly what that is.' ... Take a look at any place you want to. ... They're all over the place."

Rion did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Her channel, One America News, which was founded in 2013, bills itself as "straight news," but it has a clear pro-Trump bent. The channel's owners have reportedly directed staff to promote Trump and downplay Russian aggression. One of the network's reporters, Kristian Brunovich Rouz, simultaneously worked for Sputnik, a Russian news site that U.S. intelligence officials pegged as playing a role in the Kremlin's propaganda campaign pegged to the 2016 election. A 2017 investigation by Yahoo News found Sputnik employees were specifically directed to "stay true to the national interest of the Russian Federation." Rouz's work for One America News have included segments that falsely linked Democrats to antifa.

Rion has previously drawn attention for unusual questions and for peddling conspiracy theories. Since March, she has been attending White House briefings in defiance of social distancing rules designed to prevent the spread of coronavirus among the press corps and staff. Rion has said she was explicitly invited to attend by Trump administration officials.


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JBB
1  seeder  JBB    3 weeks ago

Straight from Russia into the gop's fish pond to you!

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
1.1  Adam_Selene  replied to  JBB @1    3 weeks ago

Small wager - Putin is promoting and financing  both Antifa and Qanon.

One more time to the US Right - Putin hates you just as he hates the US Left.

 
 
 
JBB
1.1.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Adam_Selene @1.1    3 weeks ago

Make sense. I've never seen evidence of either!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Adam_Selene @1.1    3 weeks ago
Putin is promoting and financing  both Antifa and Qanon.

And he's no doubt supporting the Boogaloo bois and many other right wing white nationalist militia groups. He knows that keeping us divided and keeping Trump in the white house will do the most damage to the United States here and around the world, weakening us and our ability to keep Putin and his violent criminal fascist regime in check. Trump in the white house is a murderous foreign authoritarians dream. It's both creepy and sad that their dream is apparently also shared by about 36% of American citizens...

9b2_717trump1-3-800x430.jpg?itok=DP73PWDj

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

I wonder if either of these two fought in the Vietnam War? Or were in uniform during the Cold War?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.3    3 weeks ago
Or were in uniform during the Cold War?

I wouldn't be surprised if the only uniform either of these two idiots wore during the cold war were their confederate soldier uniforms in their civil war re-enactments.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

both were section 8 brass

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
1.1.6  Adam_Selene  replied to  JBB @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

Seriously?

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
1.1.7  Adam_Selene  replied to  JBB @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
I've never seen evidence of either!

Russia believes they are "at war" with us and the west

I believe them. They are not our friends.

Evidence that Russia plays all sides against each other in the US and the West

Left and Right Russian Trolls in Charlottesville

Russian organized protes t

Russia organizes both sides of protest in Texas

Yet more Russian organized protests

Russian support of QAnon

Again - small wager. Russian trolls will amplify and give support to all sides and are doing it now. It will take a change in administration though before it can be proved conclusively.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.8  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Adam_Selene @1.1    3 weeks ago

That is a very viable thought Adam..... Russia promotes Antifa and Qanon....  Divide and conquer

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.9  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

I'd wager...... NO!

 
 
 
devangelical
1.2  devangelical  replied to  JBB @1    3 weeks ago

there's plenty of russian collaborators among us here. not very hard to spot, they're obsessed with commies, being hyper-divisive, and spreading the misinformation from radical right wing websites.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.2    3 weeks ago

I hope the Russians aren't paying them much because they're doing a lousy job of convincing me to vote for trmp

 
 
 
JBB
1.2.2  seeder  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

You can't say the bad little fishies aren't trying!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @1.2.2    3 weeks ago

There is no try only do

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.2    3 weeks ago

DA!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2  Paula Bartholomew    3 weeks ago

Putin cheating on Trump?  Oh my, Captain Cheeto won't like that one little bit  At least he still has Kim to stroke his uh...ego.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3  MrFrost    3 weeks ago

Hard to tell who the trump's are more in bed with, China or Russia...one thing we can be sure of, it's not the USA. Not even trumps wife is an American.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3    3 weeks ago

Melania is a citizen of the US.

Claiming otherwise is just wrong

 
 
 
JBB
3.1.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    3 weeks ago

Um, Serbian or Ukrainian? Where is she from?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Ummm born in Slovenia. What ever difference does that make?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

do you know that she is as much a us citizen as you are?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Why don’t you think naturalized immigrants are Americans? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

Well, ya know...some of us can get a bit confused because Barrack Obama was born in Hawaii but so many people wanted to see his birth certificate

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

why don’t you think naturalized citizens are Americans?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.6    3 weeks ago

deleted

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.6    3 weeks ago

Of course I do, don't you?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.5    3 weeks ago
some of us can get a bit confused because Barrack Obama was born in Hawaii but so many people wanted to see his birth certificate

That was all bullshit in my mind and...........wait for it.............Melania isn't POTUS.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.7    3 weeks ago

Sometimes they let the mask slip, like when white liberals like Biden declare who the “real blacks” are.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.9    3 weeks ago

My comment was all bullshit or you thought the birther movement was bullshit?

And you're right, Melania isn't POTUS, but since I'm so immature and have no class I'm just gonna throw boogers at the wall and see if any of them stick

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.8    3 weeks ago

I didn’t give a thumbs up to a post claiming a naturalized citizen isn’t American.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.12    3 weeks ago

why do I care what comments you give thumbs up on?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.12    3 weeks ago

It's not like she was born in this country...and she got her citizenship papers the old-fashioned way....she blew her way into them.

Then mommy and daddy became citizens thru chain migration...and who had plenty of words to say about that?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.1.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.11    3 weeks ago

I thought the birther movement was bullshit. Looking for a reason to be offended? Sorry but you have the wrong member if that's the case

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.15    3 weeks ago

Absolutely not! I'm about to go on another vacation and I'm psyched!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.14    3 weeks ago

Which other citizens aren’t real Americans? You’ve got quite a list going.  Sounds like you are channeling the bill the butcher character from gangs of New York for the modern era. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.1.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.16    3 weeks ago

Me too. Headed to Myrtle Beach for a week to celebrate 25 year wedding anniversary.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.17    3 weeks ago

What list?

Oh...the Slovenians living in the White House!....ok....

Melania's people are here because of who she married. The people that worked their way here actually earned a spot in America as far as I'm concerned. That would include the people who were forced to come here in chains

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.18    3 weeks ago

Congratulations to you and your bride! We did Vegas for our 25th and got married by Elvis.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.17    3 weeks ago

I noticed you didn't say anything about the chain migration and Melania's parents.....

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.22  XDm9mm  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.19    3 weeks ago
Melania's people are here because of who she married.

What about these people?

The Continuing Saga of Obama’s Illegal Alien Aunt & Uncle

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.23  Trout Giggles  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.22    3 weeks ago

when ya got nothing deflect

It's a favorite tactic of mine, too

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.24  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

tRumpturd picked Melania from a Slovenian brothel, she gave the best golden showers.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.25  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    3 weeks ago
Melania is a citizen of the US. Claiming otherwise is just wrong

https://www.vox.com/2016/11/5/13533816/melania-trump-illegal-immigrant

https://apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d/Melania-Trump-modeled-in-US-prior-to-getting-work-visa

Violated her visa, which according to the right wing, makes her an illegal alien. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.25    3 weeks ago
Violated her visa, which according to the right wing, makes her an illegal alien. 

I really don't know how to explain it any better to you.

She is a US Citizen------period, full stop.

Now, you may write whatever you choose to write, but the fact will be that she is a US citizen, no matter what you say.

What part is confusing you?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.27  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.25    3 weeks ago

Please stop parroting whatever conspiracy sites you get your news from, but Melania was naturalized as an American citizen in 2006.   That she is an American citizen is not open for  debate.  



 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.25    3 weeks ago
Violated her visa, which according to the right wing, makes her an illegal alien. 

Perhaps if you are so worried about that, you should contact the authorities who granted her full US citizenship way back in 2006.

I personally don't think they will bat an eye at your faux-poutrage, but who knows?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.29  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.27    3 weeks ago

The Associated Press is a conspiracy site? LOL!!!! 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.29    3 weeks ago

Do you believe that she is a US citizen?

Or do you believe otherwise, and if so, WHY???????????????

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.31  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.29    3 weeks ago

Do you even read your own links? The AP states she’s an American citizen. What nutter site told you she’s not an American citizen? 

You are making the incredibly bizarre claim she’s not an American citizen, so provide proof.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.32  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.31    3 weeks ago

You obviously didn't read the article. Also, are you standing by your claim that the AP is a conspiracy site? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.33  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.32    3 weeks ago

Please pay attention. You claimed, against reality,  that melania is not an American. Your “proof” that she’s not an American citizen is an AP article that states she’s an American citizen. Therefore,  it’s silly to claim that I, or anyone, claimed the the AP is a conspiracy site.

the question has always been what conspiracy site gave you the idea she’s not an American citizen?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.34  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.21    3 weeks ago

Yeah, I noticed you don’t think Americans who received citizenship through chain migration are real Americans.  Nor are immigrants  who marry American citizens And receive citizenship through marriage. 

as i said, you have a long list of American Citizens who aren’t “real American citizens.”  Must be exhausting to keep track of all those non American citizens.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.35  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.33    3 weeks ago
Please pay attention. You claimed, against reality,  that melania is not an American. Your “proof” that she’s not an American citizen is an AP article that states she’s an American citizen. Therefore,  it’s silly to claim that I, or anyone, claimed the the AP is a conspiracy site. the question has always been what conspiracy site gave you the idea she’s not an American citizen?

Did you find post #3.3.13 at all ironic, given the insistence she isn't a US citizen?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.36  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.21    3 weeks ago

She violated the restrictions of her visa when she arrived and still got her citizenship.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3    3 weeks ago

Not even trumps wife is an American.

wow. And the anti immigrant post of the year goes to...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2    3 weeks ago

oh please

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.1    3 weeks ago

 How’s the know nothing party doing these days? You getting a lot of people at your meetings?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.2    3 weeks ago

The only meetings I go to are the Saving the World One Beer at a Time on deck on Saturday afternoons

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.4  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.3    3 weeks ago

My kind of meeting.

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.5  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.1    3 weeks ago

Gotta laugh at people that try to reverse roles.

Like anyone would believe they care anything about immigration.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @3.2.5    3 weeks ago

I know, right?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @3.2.5    3 weeks ago

I know many "rightwingers" who care a great deal about immigration.

And according to some polls, the people who support Trump are more concerned about immigration than those who support Biden.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/08/13/important-issues-in-the-2020-election/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/276932/several-issues-tie-important-2020-election.aspx

Let's see how that gets spun.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.2.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.3    3 weeks ago

The next round is on me.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.3  XDm9mm  replied to  MrFrost @3    3 weeks ago
Not even trumps wife is an American.

Do try to keep up.  She most certainly is an American citizen.  To gain that coveted distinction, she had to pass a citizenship test [Deleted]  Plus the salient fact that she is multi-lingual.  How about you?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  XDm9mm @3.3    3 weeks ago

Pretty sure Frost would have no problem with that citizenship test. It's not all that hard.

And there's some doubt about how intelligent Mrs trmp really is and all the so-called languages she speaks

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.3.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3.1    3 weeks ago
Pretty sure Frost would have no problem with that citizenship test. It's not all that hard.

You're being generous.  Extremely generous.

And there's some doubt about how intelligent Mrs trmp really is and all the so-called languages she speaks

And the source of that bit of derision is what exactly?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.3.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  XDm9mm @3.3.2    3 weeks ago
ou're being generous.  Extremely generous.

that's just rude but I really don't expect anything better from you

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.3.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3.3    3 weeks ago
that's just rude

Actually, on second thought, he in fact might be able to pass the citizenship test...   I believe he's an old fart like me and in our day we actually learned things in school.

Many of the current crop of functional illiterates being dumped on society by the public schools of America have trouble naming the three branches of government, and know even less about the Constitution and rights.

but I really don't expect anything better from you

The feeling is mutual.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.3.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  XDm9mm @3.3.2    3 weeks ago

https://www.hngn.com/articles/231505/20200830/fact-check-first-lady-melania-trump-fluent-five-languages.htm

The evidence

In May 2017, President Trump, Melania Trump, and Ivanka Trump visited Pope Francis in Rome. A news clip captured the Pope asking the first lady in Italian what she feeds her husband.

Melania Trump did not appear to understand the question until a translator repeated it in English. The video was posted by Inside Edition.

During the same trip, Melania Trump visited a children's hospital but did not speak Italian aside from rudimentary phrases, while speaking in English with the children for the rest of the time.

You can read the rest for yourself

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.3.6  XDm9mm  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3.5    3 weeks ago
You can read the rest for yourself

I did.  And guess what, right in your own linked article is this:

The only two languages that she is undeniably fluent in are English and Slovene since it is her native language.

TWO is in fact multi-lingual.  And as a former model who traveled frequently, I'll posit that she also has rudimentary language skills in other languages as well, which by the way was also indicated in your own linked article.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.3.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  XDm9mm @3.3.6    3 weeks ago
TWO is in fact multi-lingual. 

No...that's considered BI-lingual. Multi means 3 or more. Please tell me I don't need to do a vocabulary lesson do I?

But go for it. Argue the point til your fingers are numb and your eyes are glazed over.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.3.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3.5    3 weeks ago
Melania Trump did not appear to understand the question until a translator repeated it in English. The video was posted by Inside Edition.

Not sure where you got that impression but she said "Potizza yes" and turned to walk away and it appeared the Pope wasn't done with her quite yet so she turned around. At :38 to :45 seconds into the video. And I don't know about your linguistics prowess but I'm not sure that "prunes" is a common word when communicating with someone in another language.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.3.9  XDm9mm  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3.7    3 weeks ago

[deleted]

Multi is more than one is it not?  And I notice you conveniently left off the second part of that reply.  So, for your edification and reminder I'll supply it now: 

And as a former model who traveled frequently, I'll posit that she also has rudimentary language skills in other languages as well, which by the way was also indicated in your own linked article.

So, show me specifically where she has indicated fluency in any languages.  She didn't.

BUT....  and directly from your own link yet one more time:  After the interview, social media posts and news articles declared her as a very skillful linguist.

So, the MEDIA ASSuming shit they know nothing about.

 
 
 
devangelical
3.3.10  devangelical  replied to  XDm9mm @3.3.6    3 weeks ago
as a former model who traveled frequently, I'll posit that she also has rudimentary language skills in other languages as well

I heard she could say "looking for a good time?" and "how about a golden shower?" in more than a dozen languages.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.11  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3.1    3 weeks ago

She can barely speak English and we're supposed to believe she's proficient in at least six?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.3.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.11    3 weeks ago

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MrFrost
3.3.13  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @3.3    3 weeks ago
To gain that coveted distinction, she had to pass a citizenship test 

Sure, make it about me. BTW? I used to teach college students, pretty sure that I am a lot smarter than donny and that dumb cunt he married combined. Seriously, I wouldn't piss in her mouth if her teeth were on fire. 

But I digress. 

https://apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d/Melania-Trump-modeled-in-US-prior-to-getting-work-visa

Oops. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.14  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @3.3.10    3 weeks ago
I heard she could say "looking for a good time?" and "how about a golden shower?" in more than a dozen languages.

That says a lot about the folks you are hearing from.

And who listens to them.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.15  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.13    3 weeks ago
I used to teach college students, pretty sure that I am a lot smarter than donny and that dumb cunt he married combined. Seriously, I wouldn't piss in her mouth if her teeth were on fire. 

Perhaps a little perspective is in order.

You claim she is dumb, but she figured out how to become an American citizen, and you don't, can't or won't recognize that fact.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.16  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.13    3 weeks ago

Will you do me a favor and let me know when Melania gets her US citizenship revoked?

Please?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.3.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.16    3 weeks ago

You notice how all the people who scream sexism when Kamala Harris’s history of sleeping with a married man who appointed her to government positions is brought up are silent or actual lit participate in the misogynistic bashing of melania trump, who’s not even a politician. 

Not a word of reproach from the Harris cheerleaders when Trump’s  called a [deleted] here on NT.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.18  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.17    3 weeks ago
You notice how all the people who scream sexism when Kamala Harris’s history of sleeping with a married man who appointed her to government positions is brought up are silent or actual lit participate in the misogynistic bashing of melania trump, who’s not even a politician. 

After 8 years of hearing the right wing calling Michelle Obama an, "ape", might have jaded some of us. 

But if you are offended? If you don't like what I said about the, "first whore"? I DO NOT CARE. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.19  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.15    3 weeks ago
You claim she is dumb, but she figured out how to become an American citizen

Yea, she sucked her way into that. Do a little digging for once and I think you'll find the answers. Here is a hint: $500,000.00.

I let you figure out the rest. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.20  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.19    3 weeks ago

Ah!

Is this the newest "theory" being pushed?

Hey, if you want to post that she isn't an American, go right ahead.

It just doesn't look very good when you insist on posting something demonstrably (and easily) false after it has been proven to you.

Did her citizenship get revoked, and you are just hiding it from me?

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MrFrost
3.3.21  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.20    3 weeks ago
Hey, if you want to post that she isn't an American, go right ahead.

Oh, by all means tell me where I said that? I said she violated her visa. Am I wrong, given the evidence? No. 

But we all know your game, I am right, so you'll just ask something else to argue some other point. Sorry, troll all you want, at the end of the day? You're still wrong. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.22  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.15    3 weeks ago
You claim she is dumb

As a sack full of hammers. She dropped out of a 2 year college. I am guessing her doctorate is locked away with Obama's, "real", birth certificate? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.23  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.14    3 weeks ago

And your one whole like I am sure, empowers you?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.3.24  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.18    3 weeks ago
After 8 years of hearing the right wing calling Michelle Obama an, "ape",

closer to 12 yrs now, [Deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.25  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.21    3 weeks ago
Oh, by all means tell me where I said that?

Okay, will do. Post #3

Hard to tell who the trump's are more in bed with, China or Russia...one thing we can be sure of, it's not the USA.Not even trumps wife is an American. 

No question--just the answer to what you asked.

Not sure why anyone needs to remind you of what you wrote, though.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.26  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.22    3 weeks ago
I am guessing her doctorate is locked away with Obama's, "real", birth certificate? 

Is that your very best "educated" guess?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.27  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.23    3 weeks ago
And your one whole like I am sure, empowers you?

What?????

try that again, please.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.28  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.25    3 weeks ago
Not even trumps wife is an American. 

So she was born in America?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.29  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.26    3 weeks ago

So where is her birth certificate?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.30  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.26    3 weeks ago

Well, what is your educated guess?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.31  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.28    3 weeks ago
So she was born in America?

A simple 30-second Google search would tell you no. Just in case you won't take my word for it.

Do you have to be born in America to be a US citizen?

Wasn't your INITIAL claim she wasn't an American?

BTW, what would you call an immigrant who becomes a US citizen?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.32  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.26    3 weeks ago

Just curious, do you think anyone borne here is a citizen?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.33  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.31    3 weeks ago

So where is her birth certificate?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.34  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.30    3 weeks ago
Well, what is your educated guess?

Well, instead of merely guessing (any fool can do that!) I looked it up, and lo and behold, she doesn't have a doctorate. And last I heard, Obama's birth certificate is on file in the State of Hawaii.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.35  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.31    3 weeks ago

So what you are saying is that she is not a natural born citizen of the USA? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.36  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.34    3 weeks ago

Well, we all know Harvard just hires anyone that comes along. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.37  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.29    3 weeks ago
So where is her birth certificate?

Haven't got a clue, nor do I care. It is also completely irrelevant to you thinking she isn't an American.

Unless you don't think people not born here can be citizens....................?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.38  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.37    3 weeks ago
Haven't got a clue, nor do I care. It is also completely irrelevant to you thinking she isn't an American. Unless you don't think people not

Interesting, since you were wondering about Obama's education level?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.39  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.35    3 weeks ago
So what you are saying is that she is not a natural born citizen of the USA? 

I did not say that, but it is true. Again, not your initial claim. Say, you aren't trying to walk back your ridiculous and totally false claim that she isn't an American, now, are you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.40  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.36    3 weeks ago
Well, we all know Harvard just hires anyone that comes along. 

W-h-a-t??

Who is talking about Harvard??????

Stay on topic if possible, please.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.41  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.37    3 weeks ago

So if a work visa is violated, what are the parameters that allow for that to be ignored?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.42  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.39    3 weeks ago

If I come to the USA, on a vacation VISA...and I work, and make money.... Are you ok with that?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.43  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.38    3 weeks ago
Interesting, since you were wondering about Obama's education level?

AGAIN, W-H-A-T??????????????????

Where did you read THAT?

Please, give me at LEAST a post number so I can try to figure who you think you are responding to.

I haven't said ANYTHING about Harvard OR Obama's education.

And what does Obama have to do with your claim that Mrs. Trump isn't an American?

Deflection tried, deflection failed.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.44  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.32    3 weeks ago
Just curious, do you think anyone borne here is a citizen?

Of course, with some exceptions.

Birthright citizenship USA

Birthright citizenship in the United States. Pursuant to the   Fourteenth Amendment   to the United States Constitution and the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), U.S. citizenship is automatically granted to any person born within and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States (known as   jus soli ) .
original
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.45  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.41    3 weeks ago
So if a work visa is violated, what are the parameters that allow for that to be ignored?

I do not know, and don't care enough to look it up. 

What does that have to do with your claim that Mrs. Trump isn't an American?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.46  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.40    3 weeks ago
W-h-a-t??

Malaria trump is a dumb cunt.. Just like the people that follow her. She is an enabler to donny's sexually assaults.. Deal with it.. LOL ... 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.47  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.42    3 weeks ago
If I come to the USA, on a vacation VISA...and I work, and make money.... Are you ok with that?

What does that have to do with your claim that Mrs. Trump isn't an American?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.48  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.46    3 weeks ago
Malaria trump is a dumb cunt.. Just like the people that follow her. She is an enabler to donny's sexually assaults.. Deal with it.. LOL ... 

Seems like you are deflecting and lashing out because you can't logically defend your position that Mrs. Trump isn't an American.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.3.49  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.11    3 weeks ago

Melania claims she speaks Slovenian, French, Serbo-Crotian, German, Italian and English.  In reality, she most likely only speaks three languages with any fluency.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
'Antifa' Website Cited In Conservative Media Attack On Biden Is Linked To Russia

Well, that explains why it was seeded on NT. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Does this mean that Americans who seed it on US internet forums are what is known as "useful idiots" ? 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
5.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @5    3 weeks ago
Americans who seed it on US internet forums are what is known as "useful idiots" ? 

Useful only to Putin. Here they are known as 'useless idiots' which may be why they seem to have changed their allegiance and are now working for fascists.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @5    3 weeks ago

Does this mean that Americans who seed it on US internet forums are what is known as "useful idiots"

Well, we know who the Russians spent the last few months targeting as useful idiots:

“Based on copies of the site on the Internet Archive, it was blank from 2013 until June of this year when it began to feature a message in support of the protests that erupted around the U.S. following the killing of George Floyd.“

Any hacker, or the site owner, could have redirected the site to Biden.com for one day.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.2.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2    3 weeks ago
Any hacker, or the site owner, could have redirected the site to Biden.com for one day

yepp,,, takes less than a minute (including the trip to the kitchen for coffee)

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

Why is this surprising?  Joseph Stalin was anti-Fascist.  The Soviet Union was always anti-Fascist.  The Russian Federation continues to be anti-Fascist.  No doubt Vladimir Putin would support anti-Fascist movements around the world.

The United States is moving ever closer to becoming a National Socialist state.  Why would it be surprising that Russia would oppose National Socialism in the United States?

The question is whether or not Joe Biden is advocating a step closer to National Socialism?  Is Joe Biden anti-Fascist or Fascist?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nerm_L @6    3 weeks ago
Is Joe Biden anti-Fascist or Fascist?

I would hope every American is anti-fascist. My grandfather and his brothers fought a war over it.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    3 weeks ago
I would hope every American is anti-fascist. My grandfather and his brothers fought a war over it.

Then why are we allowing the country to adopt the practices of National Socialism?  Why are we celebrating political factions using the same methods to obtain power over the country that were used by Fascists?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.1    3 weeks ago

Beats me, Nerm. Maybe because POTUS doesn't call them out on it?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.2    3 weeks ago
Beats me, Nerm. Maybe because POTUS doesn't call them out on it?

Fascists are very good at making speeches.  Fascism requires eloquence in its leaders.  That's how Mussolini and Hitler influenced popular opinion.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.3    3 weeks ago

trmp is a good speaker????

 
 
 
devangelical
6.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.4    3 weeks ago

... only to his supporting audience.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.4    3 weeks ago
trmp is a good speaker????

um,  no. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.1.7  Nerm_L  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.4    3 weeks ago
trmp is a good speaker????

Obviously Trump is not a good speaker so cannot match the appeal of a Mussolini or Hitler.  Do not ignore that the Democratic Party has placed great emphasis on electing a President who can speak to the American people.  Democrats want an eloquent spokesman for their political ideology that transform America just a Mussolini and Hitler transformed Europe.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.7    3 weeks ago

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Paula Bartholomew
6.1.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.4    3 weeks ago

Trump speaks like he just blew a 3.2 on a breathalyzer test.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @6    3 weeks ago
No doubt Vladimir Putin would support anti-Fascist movements around the world.

Putin is a fascist. He is supporting Antifa here only because it creates more unrest in the US which is his objective. If they were in his country he'd have them rounded up, beaten and sent to Siberia quicker than you can say 'Faux Democracy' as he does with anything that threatens his strangle hold on their nation.

 
 
 
Ender
6.2.1  Ender  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2    3 weeks ago

Or have them poisoned.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.2.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2    3 weeks ago
Putin is a fascist. He is supporting Antifa here only because it creates more unrest in the US which is his objective. If they were in his country he'd have them rounded up, beaten and sent to Siberia quicker than you can say 'Faux Democracy' as he does with anything that threatens his strangle hold on their nation.

Russia didn't form an alliance with Germany and Italy.  Joseph Stalin sat beside Franklin Roosevelt at Potsdam.  Vladimir Putin is a communist.  Communists are anti-Fascist.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nerm_L @6.2.2    3 weeks ago

He may have been a member of the Communist Party under Soviet Rule but you can bet your big toe he's not Commie today. He's a capitalist with a big C because he likes money...and the power that comes with it

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6.2.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Nerm_L @6.2.2    3 weeks ago

Russia didn't form an alliance with Germany 

The  USSR signed a non aggression pact with Germany and agreed to partition Poland. They only fought Germany  out of necessity.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.2.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.2.4    3 weeks ago
The  USSR signed a non aggression pact with Germany and agreed to partition Poland. They only fought Germany  out of necessity.

A non-aggression pact is not an alliance.  The United Kingdom signed a non-aggression pact with Germany, too, that was hailed as 'peace in our time'.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6.2.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Nerm_L @6.2.5    3 weeks ago

Germany and England did not sign a non aggression  pact. 

Germany and Russia agreed to dismember a sovereign country and split it up. Whether they were formal  “allies” is a meaningless semantic.  They allied to destroy Poland.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.2.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @6.2.2    3 weeks ago
Vladimir Putin is a communist.

Pustule Putin may have been a communist in the past, and I'm sure his KGB roots are still there, but he is now without a doubt a fascist pig.

Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/7/28/8933948/russia-protests-police-crack-down-moscow-demonstrations

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/

"There is a broad consensus among students of contemporary Russia that the political system constructed by Vladimir Putin is authoritarian and that he plays a dominant role in it. By building and expanding on these two features and by engaging in a deconstruction and reconstruction of the concept of fascism, this article suggests that the Putin system may plausibly be termed fascist."

"Fascism may be defined as a popular fully authoritarian political system with a personalistic dictator and a cult of the leader—a definition that makes sense conceptually as well as empirically, with respect to Putin's Russia and related fascist systems"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0967067X16000039

 
 
 
Gsquared
6.3  Gsquared  replied to  Nerm_L @6    3 weeks ago

Putin is a modern day fascist and supports fascist movements in Russia and in Europe.  Read "The Road to Unfreedom" by Timothy Snyder.  It is a very important study of this topic.  Also check this article by Snyder: https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/16/ivan-ilyin-putins-philosopher-of-russian-fascism/

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Gsquared @6.3    3 weeks ago
Putin is a modern day fascist and supports fascist movements in Russia and in Europe.  Read "The Road to Unfreedom" by Timothy Snyder.  It is a very important study of this topic.  Also check this article by Snyder

Timothy Snyder overlooks that Vladimir Putin entered politics during the Yalta period of Gorbachev and Yeltsin which preceded the fall of the USSR.  Putin is not as ideologically driven as Snyder tries to portray with his selectively insipid folderol.  The United Russia party is not an ideological political organization.  Putin is attempting to rebuild the Soviet Union without the obvious flaws of Stalin's style of Communism.

Vladimir Putin is not attempting to revive National Socialism and is not attempting to transform Russia into a National Socialist state.  That's happening in Europe and the United States.

 
 
 
Gsquared
6.3.2  Gsquared  replied to  Nerm_L @6.3.1    3 weeks ago

selectively insipid folderol

If that's how you describe well-researched and thoughtful commentary.  I doubt that you have read the article or the book.

Putin is not attempting to revive National Socialism

No one said that Putin was attempting to revive "National Socialism".  He is a fascist/authoritarian leader.

That's happening in Europe  

If it is, it has Putin's support.  The Jobbik Party is Hungary has a neo-fascist platform and it has Trump's strong support.

and the United States

If it is, it has Putin's support. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51236915

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-america-s-neo-nazi-terrorists-have-a-powerful-new-patron-vladimir-putin-1.8471461

https://www.justsecurity.org/68420/confronting-russias-role-in-transnational-white-supremacist-extremism/

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.3.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Gsquared @6.3.2    3 weeks ago
No one said that Putin was attempting to revive "National Socialism".  He is a fascist/authoritarian leader.

That's attempting to toss sand and do a soft shoe.  Authoritarian isn't the same as Fascist.

Keep in mind that Democrats (and Joe Biden) have been excoriating Trump for not being sufficiently authoritarian.  Democrats have hailed the most authoritarian restrictions in Europe as the only means of successfully controlling the coronavirus pandemic.  

Fascists promoted the idea that conservative opposition to their political ideology justified drastic measures to eliminate that opposition.  Fascists claimed that institutional government was an enemy of the people.  Fascists flatly stated that conservative attempts to protect the rule of law was a direct assault upon the people.

If it is, it has Putin's support.  The Jobbik Party is Hungary has a neo-fascist platform and it has Trump's strong support.

Antisemitism isn't the same as Fascism, either.  Fascists are anti-conservative and use the methods of anarchy to obtain authoritarian control.  That requires eliminating the opposition of any conservative group.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
6.3.4  Gsquared  replied to  Nerm_L @6.3.3    3 weeks ago

Obviously, I am correct.  You have not read the article or the book.

Authoritarian isn't the same as Fascist.

Fascism is an authoritarian/totalitarian "philosophy".

Keep in mind that Democrats (and Joe Biden) have been excoriating Trump for not being sufficiently authoritarian.

I'll keep in mind that is a ridiculous comment.

You keep referring to "conservative" in opposition to "fascist".   Are you trying to imply that "liberals" are fascist?  If so, do you also believe that 2+2=5?

Jobbik is much more than anti-Semitic.  https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/how-hungary-became-a-haven-for-the-alt-right/527178/

 
 
 
Tessylo
7  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

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