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A federal appeals court on Friday rejected a request by U.S. President Donald Trump's campaign to block President-elect Joe Biden from being declared the winner of the battleground state of Pennsylvania, dealing another significant setback to Trump's bid to overturn the...
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(Reuters) - A federal appeals court on Friday rejected a request by U.S. President Donald Trump's campaign to block President-elect Joe Biden from being declared the winner of the battleground state of Pennsylvania, dealing another significant setback to Trump's bid to overturn the results of the Nov. 3 election.
"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so," wrote Stephanos Bibas on behalf of a three-judge panel.
"Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here," he wrote Bibas, who was nominated by Trump. The case could still be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Pennsylvania certified Biden, who won the state's popular vote, as its winner this week. Under Pennsylvania law, the candidate who wins the popular vote in the state gets all of the state's 20 electoral votes.
Trump, a Republican, has refused to concede to his Democratic rival and continues to claim, without evidence, widespread voter fraud.
But as his legal challenges to the results fail, Trump said on Thursday he will leave the White House if the Electoral College votes for Biden, the closest he has come to conceding the election.
On Monday, Trump's administration cleared the way Biden to transition to the White House, …
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Trump is still saying he won. What? Biggest Loser...
The whiniest little bitch award
The sore loser award
The poor loser award
Here is the Opinion
Stephanos Bibas, the author of the searing decision, is a Trump appointee.
The irony of that is priceless.
I very much doubt SCOTUS will touch this, and just to be clear the Supreme Court doesn't hear evidence or try a case. It rules on how the lower courts interpreted the law. If there was any evidence of "massive" fraud it should have been presented in the lower courts.
On another note: Orange conman is so delusional, I read that he tweeted that Biden can only enter the White House as president if he can prove that his "ridiculous 80,000,000 votes were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he’s got a big unsolvable problem
can only enter the White House as president if he can prove that his "ridiculous 80,000,000 votes were not fraudulently or illegally obtained.
Biden will stand quietly by watching them drag Trump, kicking and screaming and crying from the WH. As Trump looks towards him, Biden will just smile and think "You were saying bitch?".
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Currently, I am still wondering about the mental state of those who back Trump's continued insistence that he won this election and that the results are fraudulent.
yeah, maybe you should talk to those people.
I agree that understanding TrumpTrueBelievers is important and urgent. We hear lots of explanations, going every which way. But I, for one, am convinced by none of the common ones, altogether too simple / simplistic to explain tens of millions of what seem to us to be Jim-Jones-insane.
They aren't going away.
Thus far, no one has found a way to reach them. The nation cannot continue as it is going.
I wonder about the mental state of those willing to brush aside the many irregularities that happened during the election and declare the recipient of those irregularities the winner without a full investigation.
I sometimes do talk to those who back Trump's continued insistence that he won. I have yet to hear a rational explanation.
Do you have a point to make?
Why do you claim that fringe irregularities were brushed aside? Because they wound up being insignificant??
We have watched the USA election process operate pretty much as it has always operated. In a close election there are always concerns of fraud, etc. and fringe cases where minor fraud was found.
But you need to remember that we have an adversarial system where the losing party is fully capable of going balls-out with investigations and lawsuits. The system deals with these and they are processed. Hell, look at all the shit Trump has stirred up all based on bullshit. To think the system dismisses claims is to not be paying attention.
If, in the end, there is no credible evidence that shows the results do not reflect the will of the people, the secretaries of state certify the results. Congress then officially counts the results and declares the winner to produce the formal president-elect.
Just because Trump is having a 74 year old tantrum does not mean that there was fraud / error beyond the fringe (and normal) level. There is, at this point, zero evidence that Trump has brought that would change the results of this election. But he certainly continue to pile on the bullshit.
(p.s.) Trump has been known to lie.
At this point, those who think Trump has evidence to change this election are being irrational. I wonder about the mental state of someone who, at this point in time with all the non-issues that have come and gone, actually believes Biden did not win this election.
What if told you there was a way to open the mail in and drop box envelopes without damage and resealed without any evidence of tampering, would you consider that it could happen that enough anti-Biden people could get together to have their way with the now exposed ballots, for ballots without a presidential vote pen in Trump, for ballots with Biden or third party have preprinted Trump ballots and through a copier copy the controlling information onto the Trump ballot and fill in other races at your pleasure. Keep in mind you had 4 weeks to do this and then an extra 3 days or more after the election. Once you, as the voter, drop off your ballot, you have no way of knowing what has happened to it until it is entered into the system at the clerks office and they let you know they received it, maybe a day or two late.
To get an envelope open it took me a couple of minutes and it opened easily with no effort and a few minutes later was able to reseal it, just think of the possibilities if you could do batches at a time, wow the havoc you could cause.
I can devise all sorts of hypothetical methods for defrauding an election.
Fiction, however, is not fact.
What matters is evidence, not hypotheses.
Not any less or more than you do.
Actually there is a way to test this, examine the mail in and drop box ballots, they're easy to find because they were folded, next look and see if they are pregnant, by this I mean they were filled in with a pen and the oval is dished from the pressure applied, I dare say that near 100% were filled out as instructed with a blue or black pen, if you find ballots that aren't pregnant then these are probably fraudulent. In Michigan all the ballots cast at the polls were painted in with a sharpie and not pregnant and not folded.
What would it hurt to check this out?
We are focused on very different items.
You are focused on the question: Is it possible to commit voter fraud?
I am focused on the question: Did Biden win the election?
The answer to both of our questions is 'yes'. Let's move on.
If I were the SoS of Michigan and had credible evidence that voter fraud could change the results of this election, I would be all over checking it out. If, in contrast, I saw cases of fraud or claims of fraud that could not possibly change the results of the election, then I am certifying the results as correct.
Biden won Michigan and it will remain that way unless Trump finds a way to get past a 2.8% lead by Biden (which would be historic!).
Do you think Trump has a chance of changing the results of this election?
“Why do you claim that fringe irregularities were brushed aside?”
because some are ready to anoint biden the winner before investigations are complete. You act as if every irregularity has been investigated and there is nothing left to check out. That’s not the case.
“In a close election there are always concerns of fraud, etc. and fringe cases where minor fraud was found.”
There are more irregularities in this election than any i’ve seen in the past. i don’t consider thousands of trump ballots being shifted to biden as something that is minor. Or pennsylvania mailing out 1.8 million mail in ballots and receiving 2.5 million mail in ballots. There are more.
As you said “If, in the end, there is no credible evidence,,,,” then biden won fair and square. I’m saying let the system work and let’s find out the truth. You have been saying there is no evidence, biden won, trump is acting like a baby and anybody who questions that is mental. BS.
Do you believe Trump won Michigan?
If so, deliver the evidence.
The system has been working. Just because you dislike the results does not mean the system has not been working properly.
And some were ready to declare Trump the winner too. What's your point?
What's left to check out specifically?
It has been worked out. Investigations were conducted, recounts performed, and even legal actions. Nothing significant developed from all that, much less alter the outcome in any significant way. So yes, Biden won fair and square.
Denial, delusional, sycophantic, just plain nuts, all of the above...take your pick.
Do i believe trump won michigan? I don’t know, but let’s find out instead of acting like everything is done, nothing left to see here, move on, because it is not done.
And so far i do not like the results, and i’ll say it again, (why do i have to repeat myself so often when discussing a topic with you) the system is not done. Let everything play out before a winner is decided.
Even if Trump won Michigan, it wouldn't change the outcome of the election. Contested states have mostly called it in favor of Biden and Trump's legal challenges have fallen flat. So yes, it's over and the winner has been decided. Further denial of that fact is not constructive.
That is irrational. There is a 2.8% difference in votes with 100% votes counted for weeks now. The results of the election in Michigan are certified. The process in the state of Michigan was executed and is now complete.
There is nothing left to find out. It most definitely is done in Michigan. Hello?
You choose to repeat yourself rather than offer a cogent rebuttal to what I offer. If all you can come up with is repeating yourself that is on you. I acknowledge (and explicitly rebut) what you write so do not pretend I am ignoring or misunderstanding what you write.
There is nothing left to play out. Michigan is done. There is no evidence suggesting the results are wrong.
”You choose to repeat yourself rather than offer a cogent rebuttal to what I offer. If all you can come up with is repeating yourself that is on you. I acknowledge (and explicitly rebut) what you write so do not pretend I am ignoring or misunderstanding what you write.”
i choose to wait until ALL lawsuits are investigated and settled. Hello?
i have to repeat myself because you don’t seem to get the fact that i will wait until all lawsuits and investigations are over. You seem to want to dismiss everything and declare biden the winner, despite all the unsettled business, that is on you.
Oh, well then call the media, stop the presses, we're going to have to give dishonest Donald another term because one of his fan boys doesn't like the result of the election so we'll just have to discard the 300,000+ votes Biden has won by in the swing States and the more than 5 million more patriotic Americans votes who rejected the dumb fuck shit bag Trump and the sad dumpster fire that is Trumpism...
I suggest you read the entire post, not cherry pick a few words and go on stupid rant.
You are just playing games Gazoo.
I have acknowledged, obviously, that you want to wait. My whole comment addressed that. You, in contrast, play the slimy tactic of pretending that I missed your point and that the only thing I could comprehend was that you cannot formulate a cogent rebuttal.
Here is a tip new guy, I have little patience for intellectual dishonesty and will relentlessly call you out on it every time you try it.
Yes, it is obvious you want to wait. So as long as the Trump campaign files lawsuits you are telling all of us that you want to wait until they end. The trouble with your desire ... as I have explained in detail ... is that this is NOT the day after the election. It is November 27th. The Trump lawsuits have thus far been a big flop. Nothing. They have been bullshit.
Further, the results from the state of Michigan have been certified. That means it is over. Biden is officially the winner of Michigan with a 2.8% margin of victory.
To hold that Michigan is not over is irrational.
Here’s a tip for you, guy, i don’t give a fuck what you like or not. In a nutshell, i’m waiting for everything to be settled. You are calling biden the winner despite unsettled lawsuits.
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What lawsuits are you talking about?
Quite impressive, tough guy.
Michigan results are certified . Everything is settled. Extant lawsuits are now pointless. Face reality. Trump lost with a 2.8% deficit.
The world is calling Biden the winner. Get a clue. Trump can file lawsuits until the day he dies and that is not going to change the results of Michigan. They have completed their process. It is over.
What am I misunderstanding about your position? Do you not comprehend the difference between disagreeing with your irrational position and not understanding your irrational position?
I understand that you are not going to accept the certified results of the state of Michigan as long as lawsuits exist trying to challenge same.
Yours is an irrational position. You have offered nothing to suggest your position is rational.
If you can muster an argument that shows how the certified results of Michigan can realistically be reversed and result in Trump being certified the winner then do so. If not, you are simply offering incredibly naive wishful thinking.
Probably this latest nonsense:
Odd, I've been discussing various topics with TiG for years now. I can't recall ever having had a misunderstanding with him. I imagine quite a few others can say the same. So, I really don't think it's him.
I read your entire post, and it boiled down to that stupid ignorant position of "whah, whah whah whah". The election is long over, the lawsuits have been shot down and only the truly stupid are still clinging to the threads of hope that reality isn't what it appears to be and that dumb fuck Donald won against all odds and against all evidence. Donald and his diaper shitting baby sycophants need to grow the fuck up, get educated and join the rest of rational Americans in the reality that is, not the reality they ignorantly and desperately wish were true.
Those who won't let go of this election are like those hard core deep Southerners who cling to the belief that the South will rise again. They will continue to wear their MAGA hats, fly their Trump/Pence flags, and wear the tee shirts. The will yell that Trump really won, have protest marches, and talk incessantly over beer and BBQ of how they got robbed. Some will just not get over the fact that there was no fraud. Instead of moving on, they will just stay stuck on stupid. Hopefully a lot of them will heed Trump's "It is what it is.", step back, and give PE Biden a chance.
It sure seems like clinging.
It is fascinating observing someone flat out refuse to accept the certified results of a state where the winner is ahead by 2.8% as long as lawsuits are in play.
Imagine Trump filing lawsuits throughout 2021; will these clingers still insist that we should wait until 'everything is settled'?
Truly incredible.
I assure you, it's not!
I believe you mentioned the term "stubborn ignorance" not too long ago?
I am at a loss for words.
Oh, I think you said all that needed to be said.
They're almost half of the electorate. They will remain mobilized. The long-term survival of democracy in America depends on deprogramming TrumpTrueBelievers, and that starts with understanding them.
Dismal will give them the victory... eventually...
Not every Trump voter is alike. There are Trump supporters here on NT who flat out blow my mind. But, in contrast, I cannot think of a single Trump supporter I know outside of social media who thinks Trump is anything short of a narcissistic asshole.
If the R party somehow manifests a charismatic candidate with policies similar to Trump's (which were very much R policies) they would rally behind the candidate. It is not Trump the person that they support, it is Trump's defiance of status quo, candor (albeit replete with lies) and willingness to take on politically incorrect issues.
I tend to think it will die down and fade away. Without Trump around, they have nothing to hold them together. They'll go out in the proverbial not with a bang but a whimper.
I've just read your hours-long struggle. It's fascinating... although I would never have had the patience, myself
"We will not be satisfied until all the votes are recounted!"... They have all been recounted.
"We will not be satisfied until all legal action is resolved!" ... It has all been resolved.
"We will continue to bring legal action until one succeeds!"
Perhaps the most interesting aspect of this series is that your interlocutor seems to be entirely in good faith. Trump's defeat is not possible in his universe. ... and therefore, actions (no matter what) must continue until Trump's victory is finally confirmed.
Your interlocutor, whose good faith is undoubted, is confronted with a terrible dilemma. An impossible Trump defeat may not only be possible, but real! Then... TrumpTrueBeliever "reality" would be ... not real!
"How many other 'Trump reality facts' are untrue?" A TrumpTrueBeliever must avoid that question at all costs.
His universe is near collapse, so he must redouble his efforts to shore it up.
It might also be the notion that if a lawsuit is filed then Trump must have a solid case with quality evidence, etc. The idea of Trump filing frivolous lawsuits is apparently dismissed.
What were those 'many' irregularities?
Haven't all the (I think 38?) unfounded lawsuits been tossed out at this point?
Nope. Never.
THE WINNER HAS BEEN DECIDED, JOE BIDEN
tRUMPTURD IS A SORE LOSER, POOR LOSER, WHINY LITTLE BITCH.
I think it's subtler than that. Your phrasing implies that TrumpTrueBelievers' denialism is willful. While that is surely true for the more "intellectual" ones (like those on NT), I don't think it is for most.
In TrumpTrueBelieverUniverse, a pro-Trump lawsuit is not frivolous. That's not an opinion. It is a fact. As certain as sunrise. A TrumpTrueBeliever does not accept the idea that a lawsuit is frivolous because they know that that is not possible.
I guess I associate with a higher caliber of Trump supporters. See I can explain to most of them why I could never vote for Trump and they essentially understand. Their responses typically are that they dislike Trump but like his policies and are very concerned about what might happen (policy-wise) with Biden.
Donald Trump is a known tax cheat and fraud. Serial liar, likely sexual miscreant, not to mention runaway narcissist and general ignoramus. Oh, and bully.
What are his good qualities again ?
For the Trump voters I mentioned, his policies.
There is no one in the Republican Party who advocates those policies without being one of the worst people in the country?
Widespread support of Donald Trump is one of the great moral failings of this century in the United States.
There are plenty of Rs who advocate those policies. What an odd question.
Trump had the incumbency. There was, in effect, no R primary in 2020. The Rs had one choice: Trump or Trump.
Can you point to any irregularities or evidence of such that have been presented as evidence in court?
Trump can't nominate himself. If the rest of the leaders of the Republican Party had united to deny him the nomination he would not have been the nominee. Yes, some of their seats in Congress would have been in jeopardy but the fact is the Republican Party knowingly nominated someone for president who had lied to the American people thousands of times during his first term in office, had committed obstruction of justice in the White House (the Mueller investigation) and had been impeached (justifiably) for trying to bribe or extort the president of another country. For anyone to pretend there was no justification for preventing Trump from running for re-election is just bizarre.
JR you described a political fantasy. (And I was waiting for you to do just that.)
You certainly know enough about political dynamics to realize why no R mounted a credible challenge to the incumbent in his/her party. Prior to COVID-19, Trump had a very good shot at winning reelection. Like him or not, Trump was (at the time) the best chance the Rs had to retain the Executive branch. And when it comes to politics, it is party über alles.
In short, even if a narcissistic asshole who exploited people and tossed them aside and whose demeanor was worse than any president in recent history looked like the best chance to keep the Executive branch, they would go with this individual.
In fact, that is exactly what happened.
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Funny, I was felling and cutting up a large dead tree today (lots of spare mental cycles available while doing that) and for some reason Gazoo came to mind. I realized that this was the alien 'friend' of Fred and Barney in the Flintstones.
Gazoo had some cool powers. He was small but certainly significant.
Our resident Gazoo is a bit of an enigma to me. Not sure what fact base he is working from but it is seriously flawed IMO.
So you think the nation's political leaders don't have to be required to lead?
There is no doubt whatsoever that Donald Trump will go down as the worst president in US history. He does not have a single achievement that cannot be superseded by Biden other than the tax cut and that will go when the Democrats retake the senate.
What is Trump's claim to fame other than he is the ringleader of white grievance ?
The reality is what I described John. I thought I was clear. Trump was the R's best shot to retain the Executive branch prior to COVID-19 and they knew it. You should have no confusion as to why Trump ran, in essence, unopposed.
Trump, the individual, did not enter into their political calculus.
I am not going to chase tangent questions. I have answered your question multiple times now. The answer, to me, was obvious but I gave it to you anyway.
John, you seem to be under the illusion that TiG is defending Trump. He is not. He is explaining why others besides himself might have voted for Trump, and why the Republican Party had to nominate him again. Understanding those things hardly equates to being in Trump's corner.
Sandy, I have been talking about this election with Tig for at least the last six months. I think I know what is going on.
I am not criticizing Tig, I am explaining why there are no sufficient reasons to have voted for Trump. He IS going to be considered the worst president EVER. That is going to happen. Who wants it on their record that they voted for the worst president ever?
But John, ~74 million people disagree with you. I cannot represent all of these people for you so why are you asking me to do so?
I have offered what my friends and family (the Trump voters at least) have shared with me.
You have Trumpsters in your family, go gather some info from them.
Alternatively ask the Trumpsters here on NT. They might explain their criteria if you let them.
Just make sure you do not ask certain members ' ~~ i n f l a m m a t o r y ~~ ' questions like: ' Do you acknowledge that Biden won the election? '.
That's vacuous.
What are the policies they like?
- Racism? No one is going to admit that.
- Tax breaks for the already-rich? No on will recognize that that happened.
... and so on...
Their saying this kind of thing is in some cases simple hypocrisy, but I think that much more widely it is more proof of the existence of a TrumpTrueBelieverUniverse where all characteristics of Donald Trump are admirable, by default.
By whom?
History is written by the winners. There's a high probability that fascism will prevail in America, so Trump will be considered a New Founding Father.
Are you saying their positions are vacuous? Presuming then that none of them have used their minds to draw conclusions?
Vacuous, Bob? " having or showing a lack of thought or intelligence; mindless " Really?
I did not take a survey. But I suspect they would list economic policy based on the results (regardless of the fact that Trump had very little to do with the economy), immigration policy, international trade policy, nominations, etc.
Bottom line, from my sampling, it likes like good results (at least prior to COVID-19) can outweigh an asshole narcissist at the helm.
Trump, the person, is inseparable from Thump, the President. His policies reflect his personality: racist, misogyn, authoritarian, greedy, narcissistic, .....
Saying "I don't like the man but I like his policies"... is... vacuous.
Well plenty of people disagree with you. They allowed a known asshole to serve as PotUS because the results (mostly economic) were what they wanted. They might think your inability to separate the man from the policies is a result of a vacuous thought process.
And it does not matter, Bob, because that seems to be a way a lot of people think. What we were speculating on was why Trump was elected in 2016 and why 74 million voted for his reelection. Call it vacuous, stupid, whatever ... but I think it boils down to liking the results even though many disliked the asshole at the helm.
Are those 74 million evaluating those results in a cogent way?
A review of a list of Trump's 'achievements' invariably includes a plethora of outright lies. Sure, there is a small percentage of the population that did GREAT under Trump. Yet there are MILLIONS more that think they did based solely on Trump's lies.
Hell there are MILLIONS of Americans that still think that China pays for the tariffs just because they are willing to believe whatever Trump tells them. At this point, I can only come to the conclusion that they are in blissful denial and proud of it.
Logically not. There are all sorts of voters who vote for name-recognition, single-issues, etc.
Of course. But put yourself, if possible, in the mind of someone who goes about their daily lives and does not dwell on politics. They see things working well for them and their family. They hear talk of enforcing legal immigration, improving trade, not playing nice with terrorists, etc. They see we are not at war. Many of them (unless brain-dead) realize that Trump is a lying sack-of-shit, but they probably are not so alarmed because virtually every politician is a lying sack-of-shit to some degree.
And most of them are probably pretty cynical about politicians and do not expect much from any of them.
So what do they do? They favor the status quo; don't fix it if it ain't broken. And if COVID-19 had not hit, Trump would have been reelected to maintain the status quo.
Alternatively... it's a way to hold racist, misogynist, authoritarian (shameful) positions without admitting it.
But hey! If you want to take TrumpTrueBelievers at their word...
Keep in mind that I have been reflecting the views of friends and family so I have a bit more information about their integrity and yes I do take them at their word.
I cannot speak for the other 74 million.
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I (like the FBI) see far right wing violence only intensifying in the U.S..
I'm trying to be optimistic
I am looking forward to an apology from all of the right wing conspiracy mongers who claimed that there was massive voter fraud because, "trump said so", and there clearly was none.
You might have to wait until those in delusion-land actually acknowledge that Biden won. You will not get an apology while they are in denial.
(Well, you will not get an apology under any circumstance, but you know that.)
Yeah, you should probably talk to them about it!
Do you acknowledge that Biden won the election? If not, will you hold off and wait for some special event before acknowledging the obvious?
Of course---and I always have done so.
Why?
Don't you?
Good. Strange how other Rs cannot seem to realize this.
Yes, I am quite aware that Biden won.
Hmm....maybe you should talk to them about it.
Oh, good, good.
Seems like a rather silly fucking question to ask, doesn't it?
Of you, no, because you are a Trump supporter. It is a fair question to ask.
Of me, yes, now that you mention it. Your question to me was silly given my comment history. I have been spending this month trying to get people to understand the odds of Trump prevailing and, when it became impossible for Trump to ever win, trying to get them to deal with the reality that Biden won. If someone does not know my position on this election by now then there is no reaching them.
That is certainly one fucked-up way to look at it, I guess.
No more so than asking me. Given my comment history.
Well, let's see. A person who routinely defends Trump and is known as a supporter might actually buy the bullshit from Trump. But rather than presume it, I asked you. ( Oddly, you could not just offer an answer without getting pissy about it. )
In contrast, someone who is demonstrably and obviously not a Trump supporter, would not magically switch into support of Trump during a time when Trump is behaving extraordinarily bad (even for Trump).
Pretty good reasoning it seems, not fucked-up in any way.
I got "pissy" about it because I considered a dumb fucking question.
I DO consider it fucked up, sue me.
Then I recommend you chill out. If little confirming questions like that whip you into a frenzy then you are currently wound too tight to engage in a forum like this.
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Very well said TiG and very true. It is very sad to see some people get so totally freaked out about political discussions that they can't seem to control themselves. It really is not necessary, as nothing is really worth making themselves sick over.
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No your, you're, or yore in my post.
Did you have a point, or just posting random words now?
There should have been but now that it's gone...
Some folk never get through all five stages of denial.
Didn't think Trump was "left wing".
Trump says he wants to fill Supreme Court seat quickly in case justices need to settle election dispute
I'm looking forward to the apology from all the right-wing conspiracy nuts on NT and nationwide about it being a fraudulent election with millions of illegal votes. In fact, as recently as of today on NT some were claiming the same old bullshit.
Today's tweet from the delusional one in the White House.
Trump implies that he won't leave the White House unless Biden 'can prove' he won 80 million votes, as the president continues to tweet lies and conspiracy theories about the election
As we all know, the responsibility of providing proof is on the persona making the claim and as this article clearly proves, trump has ZERO proof of any voter fraud.
Proof, LOL that's a bridge too far for Trump's elite legal team of Rudy Four Seasons et al.
Never mind proof. They can't even come up with a specific allegation. "We're sure there was fraud!" isn't quite enough for a lawsuit.
Then Rudy "A daylight tolerating vampire" Guillaini gets before a judge denying it is a fraud case.
You will never see it. Like their God Trump, they are too childish to admit that they were wrong. I figured that Trump saying he would step down if the EC backed Biden, or some such lie. Now he says he won't leave the WH until Biden can prove he won by 80 million votes.
And one he gets that proof, he will think of some other excuse fir not leaving the WH. He is obviously so scared of going to jail that he just can't stand the idea of losing the protection of the Presidency.
But, once the final decision is made that Biden won and is indeed the legal President-Elect or President, Trump will have to leave the WH even if he is escorted out by the Marines on duty there, or others.
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Name one.
BTFW, Trump's lawyers have been desperately trying to get a case to the SCOTUS but as of today, they've failed to file anything that hasn't been laughed out of court. Based on the case history of the junk that that they've filed, I predict that the SCOTUS will not accept an appeal from any of them.
We've always been at war with eastasia, eh Dulay?
Not that I'm surprised.
Instead of deflecting, NAME ONE.
My favorite is from his latest bitch who he now says he does not know. She blamed election interference on Hugo Chavez who died years ago.
Another trump loss in PA.....The Mike Kelly et al law suit
Pennsylvania high court rejects lawsuit challenging election
Article:
Ruling
Didn't Trump say that his followers would get tired of winning. I think that they better readjust their priorities and concentrate on losing which they are doing a great job at. I believe they are now 1 and 40 in court cases, so much losing. LOL