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By:   JAKE BLEIBERG (ABC News)

Prosecutor: Capitol rioter aimed 'to take hostages' - ABC News
A prosecutor says a retired Air Force officer who was part of the mob that stormed the U_S_ Capitol carried plastic zip-tie handcuffs because he meant "to take hostages."

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A prosecutor says a retired Air Force officer who was part of the mob that stormed the U_S_ Capitol carried plastic zip-tie handcuffs because he meant "to take hostages."


By JAKE BLEIBERG Associated Press January 15, 2021, 2:22 AM • 4 min read Share to FacebookShare to TwitterEmail this article

FORT WORTH, Texas -- A retired Air Force officer who was part of the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol last week carried plastic zip-tie handcuffs because he intended "to take hostages," a prosecutor said in a Texas court on Thursday.

"He means to take hostages. He means to kidnap, restrain, perhaps try, perhaps execute members of the U.S. government," Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Weimer said of retired Lt. Col. Larry Rendall Brock Jr. without providing specifics.

The prosecutor had argued that Brock should be detained, but Magistrate Judge Jeffrey L. Cureton said he would release Brock to home confinement. Cureton ordered Brock to surrender any firearms and said he could have only limited internet access as conditions of that release.

"I need to put you on a very short rope," Cureton said. "These are strange times for our country and the concerns raised by the government do not fall on deaf ears."

Brock appeared in court in a light green jumpsuit, a mask and with shackles at his hands and feet.

Weimer did not detail a specific plan by Brock but noted "his prior experience and training make him all the more dangerous."

He also read in court social media posts from Brock, including one posted on the day of the Capitol riot that said: "Patriots on the Capitol. Patriots storming. Men with guns need to shoot their way in."

Brock was arrested Sunday in Texas after being photographed on the Senate floor during the deadly riot wearing a helmet and heavy vest and carrying plastic zip-tie handcuffs. The 53-year-old is charged with knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.

Brock's attorney, Brook Antonio II, noted that Brock has only been charged with misdemeanors. Antonio said there was no direct evidence of Brock breaking doors or windows to get into the Capitol, or doing anything violent once he was inside.

"It's all talk. It's all speculation and conjecture," said Antonio, who noted Brock's long service in the military, including being reactivated after Sept. 11 and his four tours in Afghanistan.

Weimer said Brock will likely face additional charges.

More than 100 people have been arrested in the Capitol riot, with charges ranging from curfew violations to serious federal felonies related to theft and weapons possession.

The FBI has been investigating whether some of the rioters had planned to kidnap members of Congress and hold them hostage.

Before his arrest, Brock told The New Yorker magazine that he found the zip-tie cuffs on the floor and that he had planned to give them to a police officer.

"I wish I had not picked those up," he said.

There was no evidence presented that Brock had a firearm on the day of the Capitol riot.

Antonio asked an FBI agent who was testifying whether it was possible Brock had just picked up the cuffs, and the agent acknowledged that was a possibility.

Weimer read a termination letter from Brock's former employer that said he had talked in the workplace about killing people of a "particular religion and or race." Weimer also read social media posts in which Brock referred to a coming civil war and the election being stolen from President Donald Trump.

Weimer said Brock's posts also referenced the far-right and anti-government Oath Keepers and the Three Percenters, a loose anti-government network that's part of the militia movement. The Oath Keepers claim to count thousands of current and former law enforcement officials and military veterans as members.

The FBI agent though testified there was no evidence beyond the social media posts that Brock was involved with either of those groups.

Judges across the country, including some nominated by Trump, have repeatedly dismissed cases challenging the election results, and Attorney General William Barr has said there was no sign of widespread fraud.

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Associated Press writer Jamie Stengle contributed to this report from Dallas.

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FLYNAVY1
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1  seeder  FLYNAVY1    3 years ago

Again..... This is what you get when you listen and read propaganda, such as "The election was stolen." rather than looking at facts.  

I expect a hell of a lot more in the way of critical thinking skills from those that have taken the oath of enlistment.  

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1  evilone  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    3 years ago
I expect a hell of a lot more in the way of critical thinking skills from those that have taken the oath of enlistment.  

We should, but I don't. In reality our military personnel are no more, or less, smart than any other segment of our population.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.1.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  evilone @1.1    3 years ago

I know you're right EG, but for me.... left, right matters little when it bumps up against the constitution.  

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1.2  evilone  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.1    3 years ago

There has been a big rise in Evangelicals in the military at all levels and branches as well as alt+right militia groups in the enlisted ranks. No one accused many of them of being mensa candidates.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.2  Drakkonis  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    3 years ago
Again..... This is what you get when you listen and read propaganda, such as "The election was stolen." rather than looking at facts.

Uh, no. It's one response from a number of possible responses. I know a number of people who think the election may have been stolen who do not think violence like this is the answer. 

I expect a hell of a lot more in the way of critical thinking skills from those that have taken the oath of enlistment. 

I would hope so, too. However, your first statement shows a lack of critical thinking on your part or, at least, subjugating them to your emotions. Believe it or not, I don't intend that as a dig against you. I simply consider it an obvious conclusion. Surely you recognize that reading and listening to "propaganda" as you put it doesn't inevitably result in this man's behavior. Saying that it does doesn't help in dealing with the situation rationally. It only encourages others to make the same sort of inaccurate statements which, in turn, encourages irrational responses. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Drakkonis @1.2    3 years ago
However, your first statement shows a lack of critical thinking on your part or, at least, subjugating them to your emotions.

Actually, your interpretation of Fly's statement lacks critical thinking on your part.

Fly didn't claim that was the ONLY 'response' yet you implied that he did. The rest of your comment merely bolsters that. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.2.2  Drakkonis  replied to  Dulay @1.2.1    3 years ago
Fly didn't claim that was the ONLY 'response' yet you implied that he did. The rest of your comment merely bolsters that. 

Apparently, what appears on your screen is different than mine. What mine said was....

Again..... This is what you get when you listen and read propaganda, such as "The election was stolen." rather than looking at facts.

Perhaps what appears on your screen is different. Perhaps your screen says some variant of...

Again..... This is one possible outcome you get when you listen and read propaganda, such as "The election was stolen." rather than looking at facts.

If so, I can understand your statement. As you can see by what appears on my screen, "This is what you get" doesn't include other possibilities but, rather, claims a specific outcome. Perhaps I've cleared things up for you now? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Drakkonis @1.2.2    3 years ago
As you can see by what appears on my screen, "This is what you get" doesn't include other possibilities but, rather, claims a specific outcome.

So you're claiming that you think Fly meant EVERYONE who believes that the election was stolen was at the Capitol on Jan. 6th? 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.2.4  Drakkonis  replied to  Dulay @1.2.3    3 years ago
So you're claiming that you think Fly meant EVERYONE who believes that the election was stolen was at the Capitol on Jan. 6th? 

Uh, what? What was it you think I said that leads you to ask this question? Or is this an attempt at a strawman? 

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.5  Krishna  replied to  Drakkonis @1.2    3 years ago
I would hope so, too. However, your first statement shows a lack of critical thinking on your part or, at least, subjugating them to your emotions. Believe it or not, I don't intend that as a dig against you.

Not!

A derail, even a feeble attempt to disguise the fact that's its Meta....still won't have the majority of people falling for it!

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.6  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.2.5    3 years ago
I would hope so, too. However, your first statement shows a lack of critical thinking on your part or, at least, subjugating them to your emotions. Believe it or not, I don't intend that as a dig against you.
Not! A derail, even a feeble attempt to disguise the fact that's its Meta....still won't have the majority of people falling for it!

So now the question is-- how many people will fall for that ploy?

How many will fall for it by launching a counter-attack (counter-attacking, and accusing you of one thing or another-- hence keeping the Meta derail alive, thereby getting the conversation away from the actual topic...???)

 
 
 
Kavika
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2  Kavika     3 years ago

They have identified 20 plus ex-military and LEO's that were part of the insurrection. 

This article is pretty chilling and shows how close the US came to having politicians killed including the VP.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @2    3 years ago
20 plus ex-military and LEO's that were part of the insurrection

... they all deserve the maximum sentences on every count. reactivate all the ex-military, court martial them, dishonorably discharge them, and remove all retirement benefits.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  devangelical @2.1    3 years ago

Also, no stim checks should be given to any of them.  That money should go towards repairing the damage they caused.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.1    3 years ago

What is the price tag for our confidence in LEOs and our military? 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dulay @2.1.2    3 years ago

The bad apples do not diminish my respect for either.  They are way too many good military and LE personal for me to turn away from them.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.3    3 years ago

I have no intention of turning away from them. I do however hope that every one of them that had any part in the insurrection are weeded out and prosecuted, if necessary by the military. 

As for the LEO's, as long as the majority are complicit in the 'blue wall of silence' they have a long way to gain my respect. BTW, my dad was a Police officer so I saw it for myself and know of what I speak. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @2    3 years ago

But, but, but, this guy said that he found those zip ties on the floor and that he was going to turn them in to the nearest authority . . . . 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.2.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    3 years ago

So exactly what was he doing in the well of congress dressed as he was...?  Looking for zip ties to help the police out?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.1    3 years ago

Yeah, like Kyle Rittenhouse was there to help the local businesses out

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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2.2.3  Drakkonis  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.1    3 years ago
So exactly what was he doing in the well of congress dressed as he was...?  Looking for zip ties to help the police out?

Based on the information given in the article, I'm a bit dubious about releasing this man to house arrest. Looking for officers to hand over the zip ties to doesn't fit the likely mental state for his being there in the first place. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2.4  Krishna  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.1    3 years ago
So exactly what was he doing in the well of congress dressed as he was...?  Looking for zip ties to help the police out?

Maybe he was an avid Horticulturist?

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2.5  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.2.4    3 years ago
Maybe he was an avid Horticulturist?

And there's an olde saying:

You can lead a whore to culture, but...

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.3  Krishna  replied to  Kavika @2    3 years ago
They have identified 20 plus ex-military and LEO's that were part of the insurrection.  This article is pretty chilling and shows how close the US came to having politicians killed including the VP

Exactly!

New timeline shows just how close rioters got to Pence and his family

 A new report detailing how close rioters were to spotting Vice President Mike Pence inside the US Capitol.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.3.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.3    3 years ago
 A new report detailing how close rioters were to spotting Vice President Mike Pence inside the US Capitol.

And BTW, these pro-Trump terrorists (who the report calls "rioters") were not BLM, Antifa-- or members of your local Democratic Party!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3  Split Personality    3 years ago

House arrest?

wtf?

I was certain we recognized him from food shopping or Home depot.....

asshole lives too close to us...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @3    3 years ago

He used to live in the next zip code but had moved to Grapevine where we do  lot of Shopping.

Name & address & picture are on MyLife.com

This is unusual - someone hacked Larrys profile....

Summary: If you see anyone wearing a tee shirt that reads, "6MWE" across the shirt. Report the name of that person to the-FBI. The-FBI wants to place all these people-underarrest. This is a-manhunt-as-serious as after the-911attacks. The public must cooperate. This is no joke. This is not a contest of who's people are going to get who first. This is not a contest of-threats as to who's list who is on. There is not going to be any revolution. There is another credible threat to an organized attack on the Capital on the 17th and the 20th. All of law enforcement and the courts and the government are mobilized. Mr. D.T. will not succeed, he is being marginalized. His white house staff is not listening to him. Before this is all over, we will make sure that Mr.D.T. can never run for office again and disrupt, and-threaten this country again. After 911 America saw a great number of changes take place. This is another pivotal moment in our history. They Were Out for-Blood- The men who carried zip ties as they stormed the Capitol weren’t clowning around. I can’t stop thinking about the zip-tie guys. They were out to-murder high officials in the name of Donald Trump. They intended the revolutionary overthrow of the Republic. Instead of being worried about socialism taking over we should all worry about Fascism, and the Fascist, fancy to call themselves, we the people. What a-lie. What a-lie that is. They are criminal-people. Amid the photos that flooded social media during Wednesday’s riot at the Capitol—shirtless-jokers in horned helmets, dudes pointing at their-nuts, dumbasses-carrying away souvenirs—the images of the zip-tie guys were quieter, less exuberant, more chilling. And we’d better not forget what they almost managed to do. It’s easy to think of the siege of the U.S. Capitol as a clown show with accidentally deadly-consequences. A bunch of cosplaying self-styled patriots show up, overwhelm the incomprehensibly unprepared Capitol Police, and then throw a frat party in the rotunda. The miscreants smear-shit on the walls and steal laptops and smoke weed in conference rooms. Someone gets shot; someone else has a heart attack, possibly under ludicrous circumstances. When they finally get rousted, they cry to the cameras about getting maced. OH POOR BABY TERRORISTSCUM! You can all cry in front of the Judge, and cry some more in Federal prison for at least 10 years. According to polls only 8% agree with the-insurrection, so the rest of us are the establishment on the side of right, and 8% represent, "WE THE PEOPLE" on the side of wrong. The we the people crowd can go f*ck themselves! DESPERATE, DESPERATE, DESPERATE, MR. D.T. PATHETIC-STUPID SYCOPHANTS ARE DESPERATE! and criminals. These people are rioting-terrorist. They are all on camera and are being rounded up and-arrested. There will be no more excuses for or answers given to these-humanscum. How can we have so many low-lifes here in America. These people are being fired from there jobs today, if there employed. We will not allow Democracy to be overthrown by Fascism. Finally we get to arrest-idiots who where MAGA caps. Pelosi plans with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs how to deny Mr. D.T. the nuclear codes. You know I don't feel too sorry for the law makers on capital hill. Everyone had knowledge that D.T. was dangerous back when he ran in 2016. Everyone new he was mentally-unfit. But the Repubs kept their fingers crossed because they thought they could ride the tiger, and get what they wanted from him, without getting bit by the Tiger. The evangelicals turned away from God and embraced this-Devil. The Dems kept their fingers crossed because they had no power to remove him in the Senate. Now they know they were playing with fire. 4000 people-die from COVID on a lot of days in this American carnage. Lock baby Donald in his room. This is a stain on our Republic that the whole world is talking with no other news around the world but the sad, sad, stain on our Republic. Mr. D.T. is a-fucking-traitor. We have a Republic, BUT CAN WE KEEP IT! Now who are the-terrorist? It's not anyone calling themselves ANTIFA! Act of Sedation on the Capital steps, and inside the Capital by Mr. D.T.'s Zombie walkingdead racistNazithugs and rogue-lawmakers finally did the right thing. We do have a republic, but can we keep it.? That's a profound statement of truth! Rome was sacked by Goths, and Washington was sacked by Goths. It's very strange to see Moscow Mitch speaking on the side of the democrats defending our Republic, and the Constitutional rule of law. It's about time that he grew a set of balls. But the Republican Party will never recover. All because one roguedespite doesn't know that it's time to go. As of late this afternoon, articles of impeachment are being drawn up. Mike pence must be convinced, persuaded to invoke the 25th Amendment. Military obeying only Mike Pence orders yesterday. The light of democracy is flickering dangerously, but the tRump insurrectionist-racist gang LOSES AGAIN! This was a 911 level event. Never look at a MAGA hat again without feeling shame-and-anger with that person. Put away those tRump flags, put away those MAGA caps. In the coming four years 16 million young people will turn eighteen. The average voting age will be younger. RIghtest candidates will keep losing elections, THANK-GOD! Speaking to the-idiot that keeps changing my Summary on this-horrible POTUS. You might as well just give it up, the election is over and guess who lost. Your comments are just rubbish. Absolute nonsense. Foolishcrap! Ignorance-is biss, but it's not reality. You placed a stupid-comment on Nancy Pelosi page. You complained that Rep. Pelosi didn't give you your two thousand dollars. And you know that the democrats passed two thousand dollar checks, and it was Moscow Mitch Mcconnell in the Senate that said NO! ARE YOU NOT KEEPING TRACK? So stop being a-fool with your-ignorant ideas and go away. I am not impressed by your words, You're just looking so, so-stupid! I am embarrassed for you. You will have to be satisfied with 600 dollar checks because you and others have voted for Republicans in the Senate. If you want good and wonderful Joe to get you 2000 dollars then support good President Joe Biden. (Great news you will get two thousand dollars because we now own both sides of Congress) It's demented pathetic baby man D.T. Just admit that he was unfit to be POTUS. How did it feel to wake up the morning after election day, and find out you all are LOSERS again? I will tell ya how I felt. SWEEEEET! PRETTY-DAMN GOOD! LOSERS! LOSERS! CAN'T BE CHOOSERS! LOSERS DON'T STAY TO CRY, THEY JUST GO WHEREVER LOSERS GO!""""LADIES****AND**GENTLEMEN!...wait for it!............................wait for it!......................................"WE GOT EM"! Oh the pain, the pain, the Repubs lose it again! Democrats are not tired of winning and winning. A new black Senator for Georgia will be seated and the first Jewish Senator. Mike Pence grows some balls, and defies the Pathetic Baby Man. Republicans everywhere now turning on Mr. D.T. and deciding he is worthless after all. X-Vice Pres. Dick Chaney plus ten living previous secretaries of defense sent a letter to the Pentagon generals warning them against obeying illegal orders from Mr. D.T. The Sedition Act would be illegal. The generals say they are very concerned he will try and involve them in election matters.His summary: "A PUTZ"! Only three weeks and the country will get rid of the worst-POTUS and vice POTUS in American history, if all goes as expected.I have never been so sad or disappointed as I was the other day when I heard the awful-news that America's sweet heart, Dawn Wells, had died of COVID-19. So unnecessary, it could have been avoided if D.T. had not botched the fight in this country against this plague. America is outraged because Mrs. Wells could have lived on another decade at least. She was young beyond her years. She looked 59 at age 80. When she played Mary Ann, she was not playing a part, she was playing herself. I have made this point to you before, and it's a good point. It's time to get tired of the-lying that Mr. D.T. and Rudy Guliani are doing to the Deplorable supporter base. Get tired of the-lies all ready. He is building up hopes with his supporters, and then letting them down with 55 case losses (now 59 losses)and no wins. But each time he promises this is the big one. (BS). This is the mother of all evidence, and there is no evidence to bring. Mr. D.T. is just using this fight to gather in money from his supporters, like the campaign is still on. it's about time the D.T. supporters abandon him. DIVORCE HIM ALREADY! He is a-loser! He promises the moon and delivers nothing. Turn your back against this-DEVIL!I would encourage all of Mr. D.T.'s deplorable people to not get the vaccine whenever it becomes available to you. That's right, I said don't get the vaccine, because you deplorables of Mr. D.T., you don't need it. Because the vaccine is polluted. It is made by Democrats. You can't trust it. It is made TO CHANGE THE DNA OF REPUBLICANS. It will change you into a Democrat. This vaccine has had chinese scientists working on. How can you trust something that China helped to make. After all the COVID is no worse than the flu. If you are a D.T. person you don't run from the Covonavirus but you embrace it. You wallow around in it. You run towards it. You welcome the chance to prove it's nothing. You deplorables have been saying that all along, haven't you. You don't worry about it because you have been going to Mr. D.T.'s rallies without a face covering. We don't need no stinking vaccine. Vaccines are for dogs. Let the Democrats get the vaccine. You want a chance to prove that you are strong like your Dear Leader. Let the Democrats take the chance with the vaccine, after all they are the only ones who die from COVID anyway, or they may have died from something else, and it was blamed on COVID. Mr. D.T.'s deplorables never die from it. They just stay strong like Mr. D.T. said, and fight it off. Inject bleach into your veins. To the deplorables it's no worse than the flu any how, and it might not even exist..............And as far as voting. Don't ever vote. The Democrats have it fixed so you can't win. There is no need to vote ever again. You know the Democrats will make millions of extra votes show up when needed. To vote is fruitless. even if you prove how Democrats added five million votes, they will find a way to keep winning. Never vote. America is grateful to God for this great victory for the Democrats. This has not only been a great victory for the Democratic party but also a great victory for AMERICA! What we have here is an incumbent referendum. We also thank all the hard work and effort of many millions of Democrats throughout the nation in every state. Thank you to the Republican groups that have fought with us on our side, and have put their patriotism to America before party. Like the Lincoln Project. To the great and good Republican voters that voted for Joe Biden in this national emergency, it is my hope and wish that President Biden will not disappoint you. Bless the money donors that gave good Joe all the money he needed to help secure this victory. We thank the great-Satan Donald for campaigning like the loser he is. We thank this buffoon idiot for-destroying the Republican party along with himself. America is now on the path of repair from the damage done by tRump and his horrible-pack of appointees. Out with this pile of-shit in January. Trump supporting Republicans made a big mistake by waiting to election day too vote. It is estimated that at least ten thousand voters who would have voted for tRump were too sick with the COVID-19 (tRump Plague) to even stand, not to mention go vote. So they didn't get their votes in to be counted. Biden voters were smart, they voted by mail, and voted early. It has been found that a surge in tRump plague in counties just after each tRump campaign rally. I would invite you and challenge you to compare GDP growth in this economy that we are under with liar corrupt Donald Trump. Just take the time to compare the charts. The GDP growth in the economy under Jimmy Carter was better than this president. The GDP growth under Bill Clinton was much, much better. The GDP growth under LBJ was much better. But to hear this lying POTUS talk he thinks his economy is the best and the supporters of Trump keep saying the economy is roaring along. NOT EVEN CLOSE! There is no roaring economy. Sorry deplorables. Just compare the charts. The last three years of the Obama years created 1.5 million more jobs than the first three years of the Trump dictatorship. Facts are stubborn things Trump Deplorables. Mr. D.T., He explicitly pursued a policy that killed377,000 Americans and made over twenty three million sick, through pure negligence. It will be recorded in history that Mr. D.T. was a-sickening-failure.A pitiful pathetic-selfish man. It took more than just Liberals to vote against D.T. My neighbors who have been Republican their whole life voted against him, and then voted Repub party the rest of the down ballet. No one wants a selfish-murderer for POTUS anymore. Most awful horrible POTUS in the history of the country. While this has not been the worst year in the history of the country. 2020 will be listed among the worst. We have experienced the worst human suffering in our country in my lifetime. Mr. D.T. has brought a crises on this nation of his own making. Yes their would have been deaths from COVID-19, and an economic slowdown, no matter who was president, but not to this magnitude. 80% of the deaths, and economic problems from it could have been avoided under some other, any other POTUS. Mr. D.T. is a murderer. Needless suffering has been experienced under him. I am not joking when I say, we could lose a million American lives before late spring next year of more than normal deaths. That is because hospitals have no more room, no more medical staff, running out of drugs, and equipment. Too overwhelmed. People who are going to emergency rooms with other medical problems are being sat up in chairs to wait, and they can't wait, they are dying. God Help us! The vaccine is wonderful, BUT! If you would recall, not everyone gets a flu shot every year, and because of that we have a quarter million deaths from the flu each winter. Plus this vaccine is not ready for everyone all at the same time like a flu vaccine is. Be glad of one blessing, that we have gotten rid of this POTUS. (NEWS FLASH) Fear, terror and loathing in the United Kingdom. London and parts of England on lock down. New variant of the COVID-19 that spreads 70% faster is on the loose. That's all we need, a mutation that's not helped by the vaccines we have. Mr. D. T. is a non stop laugh track. A mockery to America. A Hyenas-ass. A crying, fussing, baby-child. Poor-spoiled rich boy, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, surrounded by gold. Got an allowance of 450K dollars a month so daddy Fred could have a tax dodge. Mr. D.T. has a lot in common with Nero. Mr. D.T. also fiddled while Rome burned. (the COVID VIRUS). Father Fred funneled 450millon dollars to D.T. over his lifetime. Had D.T. put the money on simple interest (had he been smarter and not ego driven) and just paid his taxes, D.T. could have become the richest man on earth. With an actual positive net worth. But instead he lost it all. And D.T. also lost billions in bank loans in six bankruptcies. Business after business-failed. Trump airlines, Trump clothes, Trump steaks, Trump scam college, Trump Casino, many hotels. Mr. D. T. failed-to pay America taxes, either because he was too much of a-failure as a businessman, or because he-cheated, cooking the books. D.T. dodged his responsibility to serve in the military in Vietnam. His father Fred gets a-false, made up excuse from a doctor who wanted a favor from father Fred. As a young man D.T. was a-monster in school. A trouble maker, a bully, a disturbed child. He went to detention so many times. Detention was named after him. The teacher would tell another unruly student, "Go to D.T.". D.T. when in school, once gave a teacher a black eye. Mr. D.T. became so much trouble that father Fred sent him to military school before he got expelled from public school, or ended up in reform school doing juvenile jail time. Military school is where all rich kids go when they don't make it in public school. At military school D.T. was said to have almost thrown another cadet out a window to the boys death. D.T. was stopped just in time by three other cadet students. THIS IS THE KIND OF MAN, WE HAVE HAD, (TO OUR SHAME) AS President of the United States. And-God-help us that we never have anyone close to him again. Now that Mr. D.T. is going to be evicted from the white house whether he leaves peacefully or not. He will face 421million in bank loans that will come do, that will totally put him out of business. Plus criminal-charges brought by the southern district of New York. Mr. DT HAS BECOME THE BIGGEST-LOSER IN THE HISTORY OF THE PRESIDENCY AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. FIRST MR. DT IS-IMPEACHED, SECOND HE-LOSES THE ELECTION BY 306 ELECTORAL VOTES. THIRD HE TRIES TO-CHEAT AND OVER TURN A FAIR ELECTION BY GOING TO COURT AND-LOSES 50 TIMES BECAUSE HE BRINGS NO EVIDENCE.... NOW ITS PAY BACK. TIME. WE DEMOCRATS HAVE WON! WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS! NO TIME FOR-LOSERS! THE 80 million BIDEN voters will eat at the small-sick mind of orange-dementia small hands Donald ......! To the-pathetic-and-delusional low-life-human-scum-on the radio, internet and TV, the-scummy-low-life that keeps changing this summary, that thinks trump walks on water. Why do you people continue to cheer for this-mother-fucker-human-scum-lump of-shit??? is money that important to you? When you go to the movies do you want the bad-guy to win? Did you also love Al Capone, and, John Gotti, and Hitler??? Did you like the-Holocaust? On Dec. 2nd 2020, more people have-died from COVID-19 (Trump-Plague) in one day than-died the day of 911. MR. DT is-guilty of-negligent-homicide, and is-complicit in these-deaths. MR. DT had the power to do a lot. MR. DT wanted to do nothing in the beginning. He kept saying it was just all going to go away. He wanted to-jail scientist who went against the message he wanted to-spin. He continually-spin indifference and opposition to any position that was not his fantasy of going on as usual, and holding an election as usual. He openly admitted in a TV interview, that he-lied to the American people and new all along that COVID was a-deadly-serious-danger-to the nation. He promoted-quack-cures, like Hydroxychloroquine. After he got the virus, and with the greatest of care and luck, he survived. He then tells everyone to just fight it off, if you get it, be strong like he was, for him so he can go on ignoring-it, and win a second term. Then he kept up packing people together in rallies, and not requiring people to wear masks at his election events. Aarrogant-stupid-ignorant-foolish-and-irresponsible. Just negligent-homicide. These-deaths are on his watch and because of him. He continued through the summer, insisting that he was right, and there would be no second wave in the fall, and it would just all go away. I could suggest what this man needs, but I can't say it without being-arrested. So I will leave it up to your own imagination. He sure doesn't need to be praised by people. Unless you also like cock-roaches, and floods, and Brown Spider bites. The very people who went to MR. DT rallies who were bused in from midwest and western states, and also-ignored-warnings to not gather together for Thanksgiving this year, are-dying from the trump-plague right now. People from farm counties being rushed to the hospital complaining they can't breath and-dying in the emergency room because it was too late. Hospitals so over crowded that other health problems are-killing-a lot of Republican Trump voters, because of lack of staffing, and just too many people coming in to be treated. Does the big orange-wart ever accept-responsibility? NO! Do the Trump-Deplorables ever accept-responsibility for giving us the-worst leader in history? NO! Read Full Summary
But wait, there's more, lol ( do not hit that Read full summary button ) jrSmiley_40_smiley_image.gif
 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Split Personality @3.1    3 years ago

And this part bears repeating:

Summary: If you see anyone wearing a tee shirt that reads, "6MWE" across the shirt. Report the name of that person to the-FBI. The-FBI wants to place all these people-underarrest.

This is no joke. This is not a contest of who's people are going to get who first. This is not a contest of-threats as to who's list who is on.
There is not going to be any revolution. There is another credible threat to an organized attack on the Capital on the 17th and the 20th.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4  Ozzwald    3 years ago
A prosecutor says a retired Air Force officer who was part of the mob that stormed the U_S_ Capitol carried plastic zip-tie handcuffs because he meant "to take hostages."

Thank you Captain Obvious. 

I thought he had them to use for cable management around their computers...  After all, don't all IT techs wear camo and ballistic vests? jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

5ffc7478bde805001980c223?width=1200&format=jpeg

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5  Perrie Halpern R.A.    3 years ago

So disturbing. 

My dad can't get his head wrapped around all of this. He served in 2 wars, and he wonders what kind of serviceman can do this and call themselves a Patriot. Patriots support the Republic. He is beside himself that this is what our country has come to. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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5.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    3 years ago

If my father (USMC) were still alive, this would have killed him.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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5.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    3 years ago

As I watched what went down on 6JAN21, the range of emotions from rage to sadness, to shame were constant.  I'm right there with your father.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @5.2    3 years ago

A day that will live in infamy . . . the 'president' leading his gang of domestic terrorists to overtake the government.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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5.2.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.1    3 years ago

And the spineless representatives who can't seem to do the right thing and stand in defense of the constitution.....in violation of their oath.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @5.2.2    3 years ago

As far as I'm concerned, those who stood behind this 'president' are complicit in all this in the first place.  They claim fear for themselves and their families yet they knew tRump was a snake and they chose to support him every step of the way.  

You can't incite violence and then call for peace and unity

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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5.2.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @5.2.2    3 years ago

They can and should be expelled from Congress.

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.3  Dulay  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    3 years ago

Therein lies the rub. These so called Patriots redefine the Constitution and our laws to their liking. We see it here all the time. 

Ironically, the Oath Keepers pretend to be all about their oath to defend the Constitution and at the same time wholeheartedly support the draft dodger Donald Trump. I'm sure they see no contradiction. The cognitive dissonance is galactic.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.4  Drakkonis  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    3 years ago

In my opinion, this, and other events over the summer, are in large part due to the amount of rhetoric being thrown around concerning nearly every issue, magnified by the media. There is very little critical thinking going on. Instead, narratives crafted and presented with little or no evidence. The public on both sides are being driven like cattle to a large extent. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.4.1  Dulay  replied to  Drakkonis @5.4    3 years ago

Oh bullshit.

MILLIONS of people all over the world WATCHED the empirical evidence of George Floyd asphyxiated. The world wide reaction to that had NOTHING to do with rhetoric, nor did it lack critical thinking. 

Please take your false equivalencies elsewhere. They are at best, weak sauce. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.4.2  Drakkonis  replied to  Dulay @5.4.1    3 years ago

Um, yeah. George Floyd was purely and simply killed by police. It had absolutely nothing to do with all the drugs in his system at the time. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that the autopsy said he had a potentially fatal amount of fentanyl in his system. What critical thinker would include that and his heart condition in the assessment? 

But, hey, don't think I didn't notice you attempted to dismiss my comment by citing one, one case. Do you consider that critical thinking or the rhetoric I spoke of? Rhetoric, I think. You present only one side of the issue of only one specific example and think that somehow you've proved a point. I don't mind, though, because you provide an example of what I was talking about. Thank you for that.

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.4.3  Dulay  replied to  Drakkonis @5.4.2    3 years ago
Um, yeah. George Floyd was purely and simply killed by police. It had absolutely nothing to do with all the drugs in his system at the time. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that the autopsy said he had a potentially fatal amount of fentanyl in his system. What critical thinker would include that and his heart condition in the assessment? 

The Coroner's critical thinking DID include those factors and ruled it a homicide by asphyxiation. But of course you KNOW that so I can only conclude that your comment was for 'effect'.

 But, hey, don't think I didn't notice you attempted to dismiss my comment by citing one, one case.

How many examples would you like? There is a LONG list of names. But of course, you KNOW that too. So WTF is your point? 

Do you consider that critical thinking or the rhetoric I spoke of?

Now you're just posting argle-bargle. 

My comment clearly illustrates that I DID consider both. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.4.4  Drakkonis  replied to  Dulay @5.4.3    3 years ago
The Coroner's critical thinking DID include those factors and ruled it a homicide by asphyxiation. But of course you KNOW that so I can only conclude that your comment was for 'effect'.

Which coroner are you referring to? There was more than one. One says asphyxiation, the other heart attack. Taking into account that Floyd had Fentanyl, meth and Covid-19 in his system, a logical argument could validly be made that the police were a contributing factor in his death, not the sole cause of it. Especially since the video doesn't show him having any problem talking. It would seem heart attack would be the more probable cause of death.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the police did nothing wrong. I think they did. Based on the video I saw, there was no reason for that officer to have his knee on Floyd's neck. But, in my opinion, Floyd contributed to his own death through the choices he made as much as the police did through their actions. I think the process of heart attack started before he was even put on the ground by his own request. 

How many examples would you like? There is a LONG list of names. But of course, you KNOW that too. So WTF is your point? 

I welcome as many as you wish to give. 

My comment clearly illustrates that I DID consider both. 

Really? Where, exactly? 

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.4.5  Krishna  replied to  Drakkonis @5.4    3 years ago
There is very little critical thinking going on. Instead, narratives crafted and presented with little or no evidence.

I assume you are referring, therefore, to the numerous accusations of voter fraud, narratives crafted and presented with no evidence?

(Nope-- not even "little" evidence-- there were some 60 or so attempts at lawsuits alleging fraud-- thrown out by judges because they had no evidence-- just crafted cases with no evidence (as the judges pointed out).

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.4.6  Drakkonis  replied to  Krishna @5.4.5    3 years ago
I assume you are referring, therefore, to the numerous accusations of voter fraud, narratives crafted and presented with no evidence?

No. I am not addressing that issue at all or in any way. I can't  imagine how you make this connection. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.4.7  Dulay  replied to  Drakkonis @5.4.4    3 years ago
Which coroner are you referring to? There was more than one.

Just because there were 2 autopsies, doesn't mean there were 2 coroners. 

One says asphyxiation, the other heart attack.

False. 

"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

Since your posts illustrate you have no intent to debate in good faith, I'm done.

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.4.8  Dulay  replied to  Drakkonis @5.4.6    3 years ago

Perhaps because of the implication of the following statement:

The public on both sides are being driven like cattle to a large extent. 

Yet you only seem to want to talk about what YOU insist is 'driving' the left. 

Why not address what is driving the right and in particular those on the right that attacked the Capitol? 

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.4.9  Krishna  replied to  Drakkonis @5.4    3 years ago
In my opinion, this, and other events over the summer, are in large part due to the amount of rhetoric being thrown around concerning nearly every issue, magnified by the media.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion.

But your "opinion" is wrong.

Or you have a short memory.

Do you actually believe that during the Obama presidency there was any less of an "amount of rhetoric being thrown around concerning nearly every issue."

And that at the time it wasn't  "magnified by the media"?

And how about the same happening during the Bush years?

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.4.10  Krishna  replied to  Drakkonis @5.4.6    3 years ago
I can't  imagine how you make this connection. 

Well that seems pretty obvious!

I was going to explain it, but from experience I've learned that those who only get their news from Fox would probably never be able to see that. So why should I bother?

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.4.11  Drakkonis  replied to  Dulay @5.4.7    3 years ago
Just because there were 2 autopsies, doesn't mean there were 2 coroners. 

Well, are you saying that the same coroner put out conflicting reports? Does that make sense to you? In any case, simple research can settle this. From CNN

"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression ." Since your posts illustrate you have no intent to debate in good faith, I'm done.

(Sigh) Funny you accuse me of not debating in good faith. 

It is not false under any circumstances. One report lists asphyxiation as the primary cause of death, the other, heart attack with no mention of asphyxiation. As I recognized in 5.4.4 , police handling was a factor in the heart attack. 

But, in my opinion, Floyd contributed to his own death through the choices he made as much as the police did through their actions. I think the process of heart attack started before he was even put on the ground by his own request.

So spare me your false indignation. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.4.12  Drakkonis  replied to  Dulay @5.4.8    3 years ago
Why not address what is driving the right and in particular those on the right that attacked the Capitol? 

Do you bother to read the things you are replying to? What was it I said? I'll quote it here for you. 

In my opinion, this, and other events over the summer, are in large part due to the amount of rhetoric being thrown around concerning nearly every issue, magnified by the media.

Does not the word "this", referring to the Capital riot, not include the Capital riot in what I was talking about? Why, yes, it does. Since it does, am I not addressing what I think is driving the right as well as the left? Why, yes I am. 

You don't seem to want a discussion. You seem to want a fight. So, bye. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.4.13  Drakkonis  replied to  Krishna @5.4.9    3 years ago
Do you actually believe that during the Obama presidency there was any less of an "amount of rhetoric being thrown around concerning nearly every issue."

And that at the time it wasn't  "magnified by the media"?

And how about the same happening during the Bush years?

No, in fact. What I said above applies just as much to what you refer to here. So, are you saying my opinion is wrong because I didn't include these things? How far back would I have to go to meet this standard of yours? And...

Do you actually believe that during the Obama presidency there was any less of an "amount of rhetoric being thrown around concerning nearly every issue."

... what's the deal with this? Your question implies that I made some comment about the Obama presidency and how it compares to what's going on now regarding rhetoric. I don't see anywhere where what I said could be taken to mean this. So how did you get there from what I said? 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.4.14  Drakkonis  replied to  Krishna @5.4.10    3 years ago
I was going to explain it, but from experience I've learned that those who only get their news from Fox would probably never be able to see that. So why should I bother?

I don't know. Perhaps you should ask someone who watches Fox. Not really much of an evasion effort, though. Just sayin. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.4.15  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @5.4.10    3 years ago
I was going to explain it, but from experience I've learned that those who only get their news from Fox would probably never be able to see that. So why should I bother?

What exactly in any of his posts would ever lead you to believe he only watches Fox News?

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.4.16  Dulay  replied to  Drakkonis @5.4.11    3 years ago

Only ONE of the MD's that performed an autopsy is THE Coroner. Just STOP.

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.4.17  Dulay  replied to  Drakkonis @5.4.12    3 years ago
Do you bother to read the things you are replying to? What was it I said? I'll quote it here for you. 

Yes and your repeating your own comment doesn't address WHAT rhetoric is driving the right who attacked the Capitol.

You were more than willing to post what you believe is a lack of critical thinking when it comes to the George Floyd protests but not a fucking thing about the lack of critical thinking that motivated the Capitol attack. 

Why, yes I am. 

Nope, see above. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.4.18  Drakkonis  replied to  Dulay @5.4.16    3 years ago
Only ONE of the MD's that performed an autopsy is THE Coroner. Just STOP.

Um, okay. Scored a point. Medical examiner or MD or whatever pleases you, then, if it makes any real difference. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.4.19  Drakkonis  replied to  Dulay @5.4.17    3 years ago
You were more than willing to post what you believe is a lack of critical thinking when it comes to the George Floyd protests but not a fucking thing about the lack of critical thinking that motivated the Capitol attack.

Well, I was speaking of the situation in general in my 5.4 post when you introduced a specific subject. And I wasn't applying critical thinking to the George Floyd protest as much as I was applying it to your own claims about it. Lastly, since I included the Capital attack in my statement, use of the word "rhetoric" implies a lack of critical thinking. To put it more plainly for you, accepting Trump's rhetoric, rather than thinking critically about things, is one of the factors that led to the attack. 

Okay, I really don't have time for more of your just looking to get your mad out. Probably should go find someone else to bother because I'm done playing with you. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.4.20  Dulay  replied to  Drakkonis @5.4.18    3 years ago

I find it hilarious that someone who posts soliloquies suddenly insists that the meaning of technical terms is subjective. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.4.21  Dulay  replied to  Drakkonis @5.4.19    3 years ago
And I wasn't applying critical thinking to the George Floyd protest as much as I was applying it to your own claims about it.

Yes, I recognized and pointed out the selective application of critical thinking. 

Lastly, since I included the Capital attack in my statement, use of the word "rhetoric" implies a lack of critical thinking.

If that is what you sought to imply, the word 'rhetoric' fails to meet your goal. The mere use of 'rhetoric' does NOT imply anything about critical thinking in and of itself. In fact, the purpose of 'rhetoric' may require quite a bit of critical thinking to fulfill it's goal. 

I know how some here just HATE to concept that 'words matter' but since they are the tool we use to communicate here, they really do matter. I've been accused of 'parsing words' as if it's a BAD thing. If members fail to analyze the words other members use, HOW are we to understand what they are trying to convey?  I for one will continue to analyze members words because IMHO it shows a level of respect. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    3 years ago

I served 20 years of my adult life in the service of my country in two wars and I could never in good conscience even think about what those individuals did. I love my country and the Constitution too much!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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5.5.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.5    3 years ago

Yep....

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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6  Paula Bartholomew    3 years ago

I wonder if Steve Wilkos knows he has a double.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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7  Just Jim NC TttH    3 years ago

ooops

"Federal authorities said Friday that there is "no direct evidence of kill and capture teams" among the Capitol rioters, walking back claims outlined in court documents that attackers sought to apprehend and "assassinate elected officials."

 
 
 
bugsy
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7.1  bugsy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7    3 years ago

It doesn't matter to the left. The narrative is already out there.

Most of them refuse to do their own independent research, but to just rely on what their handlers tell them.

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.1.1  Krishna  replied to  bugsy @7.1    3 years ago
Most of them refuse to do their own independent research

Since that is a personal attack on "the left"-- you are either launching a personal attack on many member of NT! jrSmiley_5_smiley_image.png

(Either that-- or its not an attack on people here because you feel that there are no NT users who are Left og center politically...?)

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @7.1.1    3 years ago
Since that is a personal attack on "the left"-- you are either launching a personal attack on many member of NT!

A general statement, not a personal attack on anyone.

BTW, how is that different substantially from you claiming that a particular poster only watches Fox News?

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.2  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7    3 years ago

Well see what a DC US Attorney NOT inserted by Barr has to say. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.3  Krishna  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7    3 years ago
"no direct evidence of kill and capture teams" among the Capitol rioters,

Yup.

Like I said, that guy with the plant ties was merely an avid Horticulturist (looking for teeny-weeny tiny rare plant species within cracks in the seating...) 

carried plastic zip-tie handcuffs because he meant "to take hostages."

What did he mean by that? 

Simple-- many Horticulturists refer to those teeny-weeny plant specimens they collect as "Hostages"!

(Because after they examine them under the Microscope, they will hold them for ransom-- once the ranson arrives they remove the Zip ties and those poor little plants are now free! 

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.4  Krishna  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7    3 years ago
"no direct evidence of kill and capture teams" among the Capitol rioters,

Have you seen this-- actual accounts by police officers who were there!!!

'Kill Him With His Own Gun': Officers Recount Terror Of Being Attacked By Pro-Trump Capitol Mob

Some guys started getting a hold of my gun and they were screaming out, 'Kill him with his own gun,'" said Fanone

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.5  Krishna  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7    3 years ago
"Federal authorities said Friday that there is "no direct evidence of kill and capture teams" among the Capitol rioters,

No direct evidence of kill????

Heck, I just recently seeded an article about that!

Cops lined a Washington, DC street on Sunday to pay tribute to Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, who was murdered when hordes of supporters of President Trump stormed the US Capitol building last week.

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.5.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @7.5    3 years ago

Since this has not gotten a single comment, I think it bears repeating:

No direct evidence of kill????

Heck, I just recently seeded an article about that!

Cops lined a Washington, DC street on Sunday to pay tribute to Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, who was murdered when hordes of supporters of President Trump stormed the US Capitol building last week.

 
 

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