House Democrats Ask Trump to Testify Under Oath for Senate Impeachment Trial

  

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House Democrats Ask Trump to Testify Under Oath for Senate Impeachment Trial

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Washington (AP) -- In new letter, House Democrats ask Trump to testify under oath for Senate impeachment trial.


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Larry Hampton
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1  seeder  Larry Hampton    3 weeks ago

Yes, please, let’s hear From Trump in his own defense. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Larry Hampton @1    3 weeks ago
Democrats ask Trump to testify under oath

bwah ha ha ha ha ha ............, yeah, right.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.2  cjcold  replied to  Larry Hampton @1    3 weeks ago

The moment Trump opens his mouth; he hangs himself.  

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
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1.2.1  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  cjcold @1.2    3 weeks ago

My thought as well. 
Interestingly the defense Trump uses about election theft, is the same defense that some Capitol insurrectionists are using. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2  MrFrost    3 weeks ago

Trump is incapable of speaking without lying. If he doesn't show up, he'll likely be subpoenaed, if he refuses that he'll end up in jail. He doesn't have the power of the presidency to hide behind anymore.  

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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2.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  MrFrost @2    3 weeks ago
Trump is incapable of speaking without lying. If he doesn't show up, he'll likely be subpoenaed, if he refuses that he'll end up in jail.

might want to read the 5th amendment in its entirety on that one.

 No power of the presidency needed.

 maybe thats why they "asked"?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.1    3 weeks ago

I know someone can plead the 5th, but can they be compelled to testify?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.1    3 weeks ago
I know someone can plead the 5th, but can they be compelled to testify?

Technically, I would expect the answer is no, but in an impeachment trial, the only real rules are the ones the Senate makes up, so who knows?. People have certainly invoked their 5th Amendment rights when testifying before each house of Congress, so it's not unprecedented.

An impeachment trial is not a criminal proceeding. The text of the 5th amendment specifically applies to criminal cases, but has been held to apply in civil cases as well. However, in a criminal proceeding, the jury is not allowed to draw any inferences from a defendant's refusal to testify. That protection is not in place for civil proceedings.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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2.1.3  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.1    3 weeks ago
I know someone can plead the 5th, but can they be compelled to testify?

that depends on how one defines compelled i think in my understanding.

way i understand it , one can plead the 5th and wont have to testify against themselves , there is a very big BUT, if they plead the 5th , they cannot be made to answer questions , any questions , the but is , if a question is asked  and they answer , the 5ths protections go out the window , they cannot pick and choose which questions they will or will not answer.

 i can see someone invoking the 5th , and then the questioner asks such an outlandish or innoculous question that it invokes an answer , bingo , the protection of the 5th is gone simply because one question was answered .

sample:  q: so have you stopped beating your wife?

 proper answer if the 5th has been taken : I plead/envoke the fifth. no more questions as long as that is the answer to questions, they can be asked but you wont get another answer that says anything

 improper answer that removes the fifth: I have never beat my wife. more questions can be asked about anything.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.1.3    3 weeks ago

Trump should refuse their invite and stay far away and silent. Let the House put on its case.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.4    3 weeks ago
Trump should refuse their invite and stay far away and silent.

I think he should just ignore it. Go on vacation. Unless he actually wants to run for president again, it won't effect him.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
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2.1.6  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

Democrats should keep provoking Trump’s ego. It’s proven to chasm an already wide open mouth in the past. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.1    3 weeks ago
might want to read the 5th amendment in its entirety on that one.

Does it pertain?  This is not a criminal trial.

Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.7    3 weeks ago

There is no precedent for Congress compelling a President or former President to testify at his own trial.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Larry Hampton @2.1.6    3 weeks ago

Democrats shouldn't count on Trump accepting their invitation.

I don't think they can force him to testify.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.8    3 weeks ago
There is no precedent for Congress compelling a President or former President to testify at his own trial.

The Senate has the right to subpoena him if they chose.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.10    3 weeks ago

didn't say the Senate couldn't.

what I stated, rather plainly, was there is no precedent compelling him to testify.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.12  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.10    3 weeks ago
The Senate has the right to subpoena him if they chose.

On what basis?

 
 
 
evilgenius
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2.1.13  evilgenius  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.9    3 weeks ago
I don't think they can force him to testify.

Maybe not testify, but he'd have to show and plead the 5th. The Teapot Dome scandal and the subsequent Supreme Court ruling in McGrain v. Daugherty cover contempt of congress. It's a fascinating read.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.13    3 weeks ago

perhaps.

we will soon see!

 
 
 
evilgenius
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2.1.15  evilgenius  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.14    3 weeks ago
we will soon see!

Again, I don't think they'll do it. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.16  bugsy  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.13    3 weeks ago
but he'd have to show and plead the 5th.

And if he did that, the loon left in Congress and throughout the country, including on this site, would be screaming that he must be guilty if something and he is trying to hide it.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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2.1.17  evilgenius  replied to  bugsy @2.1.16    3 weeks ago
And if he did that, the loon left in Congress and throughout the country, including on this site, would be screaming that he must be guilty if something and he is trying to hide it.

Oh, I don't think it would just be the "loon left" in Congress. I'm almost positive that I would post a quote from the Bid D himself proclaiming those who do are guilty.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

I doubt his lawyers would let him appear.

Lindsey Graham warned them - if they call even one witness, the Republicans will begin calling them in droves and Susan Rice can forget about getting anything else done.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 weeks ago
Lindsey Graham warned them

Another hollow threat from a weak Trump sycophant.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.2  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 weeks ago

So you support creating gridlock as a form of revenge? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    3 weeks ago

of course he does

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2.2  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    3 weeks ago

This is the Democrats' shit show.

They wanted it, now they will get exactly what they deserved- a three ring circus with never ending witnesses. Wonder how long it will take the media to get sick of it and move on to something else? That would depress the despotic Dems even more.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    3 weeks ago

It's called partisan politics. The Dems  have created a very fine mess for themselves

 
 
 
dennis smith
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3.2.4  dennis smith  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    3 weeks ago

The dems did just that for 4 years so it must be okay

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.3  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 weeks ago

Lindsey Graham warned them

America doesn't negotiate with terrorists, foreign or domestic.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.3    3 weeks ago

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devangelical
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3.3.2  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.1    3 weeks ago

removed for context

removed for context

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @3.3    3 weeks ago

sure we do.

how else could Obama got his coveted pact with Iran?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 weeks ago

Lol we know they won't because he is a pathological liar and apparently even some of his supporters know it. Why they still support I have absolutely no idea, but there it is.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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3.5  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 weeks ago

If Lyndsey Graham doesn't cooperate they can just subpoena his browser history.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.5.1  Greg Jones  replied to  SteevieGee @3.5    3 weeks ago

No they can't.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.6  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 weeks ago
I doubt his lawyers would let him appear.

He could appear, but take the 5th over and over. Not that that's a good look.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.6.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tacos! @3.6    3 weeks ago

His lawyers just said he won't appear. It's up to the democrats to prove their accusations. The accused do not have to do the disproving. Nancy & co need a lesson in common law.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.7  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 weeks ago

Trumps lawyers are retiring (and being convicted) in droves.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4  Trout Giggles    3 weeks ago

Somebody might want to get Wonder Woman's lasso because that SOB can't tell the truth.

OR

they could hook him up to a polygraph that gives a shock every time he lies

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @4    3 weeks ago

That might kill him!  Wait . . . . 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5  Tacos!    3 weeks ago

Why would anybody - on either side - want this?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1  MrFrost  replied to  Tacos! @5    3 weeks ago

512

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @5.1    3 weeks ago

Ok...that's not the entertainment I was talking about. I want to see trmp sweating, blithering, coughing, and just down right making a fool of himself in front of Congress

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

I'm a few steps beyond that ...

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

He was asking why anyone would want this...

Because trump is responsible for that cops death and he should be held accountable. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.3    3 weeks ago

Damn Skippy he is! I want to see that man so uncomfortable he wets himself

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.4    3 weeks ago

I bet his Depends were damp after this

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.5    3 weeks ago

He shouldn't have tried to reach for his leash. That's why the eagle lunged at him.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  MrFrost @5.1    3 weeks ago

And you think it will help to listen to more of Trump?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.7    3 weeks ago

LOL!

Yeah...but he'll be sweating and wetting his pants

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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5.1.9  SteevieGee  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.5    3 weeks ago

The bald eagle.  Symbol of our country and impeccable judge of character.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.1.10  Raven Wing  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.5    3 weeks ago
I bet his Depends were damp after this

Damp? Try soaked. (grin) 

And the Eagle did a great job in showing Trump whose boss.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.1.11  Tacos!  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.8    3 weeks ago
he'll be sweating and wetting his pants

I think you are attributing qualities to him - like shame or guilt - that he does not have.

Here's what will really happen (assuming he doesn't take the 5th): Someone will ask him a question, and then Donald Trump will rant like only Donald Trump can - for two fuckin hours. 

Blah blah blah look at this beautiful chamber. It's not as nice as Mar-A-Lago, but still lovely. Let me tell you about how hard our people worked on that blah blah blah. But this is all fake news blah blah blah. And I want to thank all these people who came out here to support me today. What a great group. I love you all. The cameras won't show you, but I know you're there. Blah Blah Blah.

2 hours, minimum

Next question?

By the end of the day, at least half a dozen senators will have jammed a pencil into their own ears just to escape the insanity.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.11    3 weeks ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif love the imagery.

I think you are attributing qualities to him - like shame or guilt - that he does not have.

You're right. What was I thinking?

Blah blah blah look at this beautiful chamber. It's not as nice as Mar-A-Lago, but still lovely. Let me tell you about how hard our people worked on that blah blah blah. But this is all fake news blah blah blah. And I want to thank all these people who came out here to support me today. What a great group. I love you all. The cameras won't show you, but I know you're there. Blah Blah Blah. 2 hours, minimum

giggle...giggle...snort...snort

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.1.13  cjcold  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

As long as the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, I"m cool with my cancer.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.14  Greg Jones  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

Not gonna happen.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.15  Greg Jones  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.3    3 weeks ago

Because trump is responsible for that cops death and he should be held accountable. 

He wasn't and he won't be

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.16  Greg Jones  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.15    3 weeks ago

He declined the invitation

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tacos! @5    3 weeks ago

Entertainment, Tacos! Sling finally got DVR and I can't wait!

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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6  Thrawn 31    3 weeks ago
House Democrats Ask Trump To Testify Under Oath

Lol, such an obvious trap. Everyone knows Trump is incapable of telling the truth, hell his own legal team wouldn't let him actually talk to Mueller because they knew is physically/mentally unable to be honest about anything. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
6.1  dennis smith  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6    3 weeks ago

The Mueller investigation was a useless example of wasting taxpayer time and money and Trump had nothing to do with that. It did not prove anything against him. It was Nancy's and Chuck's shit show. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Senior Guide
7  Thrawn 31    3 weeks ago
House Democrats Ask Trump To Testify Under Oath

Lol, such an obvious trap. Everyone knows Trump is incapable of telling the truth, hell his own legal team wouldn't let him actually talk to Mueller because they knew is physically/mentally unable to be honest about anything. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
8  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

He'll be testifying under 'plenty of perjury'

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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9  Greg Jones    3 weeks ago

 
 
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