'Game on': Legal experts react to bombshell Supreme Court ruling in Trump tax case

  

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'Game on': Legal experts react to bombshell Supreme Court ruling in Trump tax case
In a major blow to Donald Trump, the Supreme Court on Monday cleared the way for prosecutors in New York City to receive the former president tax returns.Nearly immediately, Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance said simply that the work goes on.He wasn't the only legal expert to weigh in on the ruli...

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 In a major blow to Donald Trump, the Supreme Court on Monday cleared the way for prosecutors in New York City to receive the former president tax returns.Nearly immediately, Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance said simply that the work goes on.

The work continues. — Cyrus Vance, Jr. (@Cyrus Vance, Jr.)1614004747.0

He wasn't the only legal expert to weigh in on the ruling from the High Court. Impeachment legal adviser Norm Eisen noted that the decision will kick the case "into high gear." Thus far, the Supreme Court has held back on the Trump-related suit until after the campaign and after Trump was out of office.

With the Supreme Court decision today denying Trump's efforts to stop the NY investigation, it will kick into high… https://t.co/WML0g7EDMs — Norm Eisen (@Norm Eisen)1614005986.0

"Some are greeting the outcome of the impeachment trial with dismay, and as three people who have spent the last four years fighting Trumpism in courts of law and in the court of public opinion, we might be expected to be among them," wrote Eisen for CNN.com. "But far from it, we see the trial as a positive first step in what we predict will be a far-reaching campaign to secure criminal, civil and regulatory accountability against Trump and his enablers for their undeniable misconduct over the last four years.

The grand jury will see the documents "almost immediately," said NBC News reporter Pete Williams.

NBC's Pete Williams: The New York grand jury will see Trump's tax returns "almost immediately." "This is the end o… https://t.co/zyPVvWRtj2 — Kyle Griffin (@Kyle Griffin)1614005410.0

See the other comments from legal experts below on the ruling.

Also - turns out - Trump tax returns going to the Manhattan DA... — Elie Honig (@Elie Honig)1614006518.0

This was the last legal hurdle for the release of Trump's tax returns. Manhattan DA, game on. https://t.co/VUjKPj5lR5 — Joyce Alene (@Joyce Alene)1614004767.0

Nice to kick off the week with some good news. #JusticeIsComing https://t.co/BUEuwEbETB — Glenn Kirschner (@Glenn Kirschner)1614004966.0

This means the prosecutors in NY are going to get Trump's financial records. https://t.co/apTeKhTSw1 — Neal Katyal (@Neal Katyal)1614004502.0

Supreme Court rules: Manhattan D.A. can obtain #TrumpTaxes. This has reportedly been a serious obstacle in D.A.'s… https://t.co/EA1mJqfQ9n — Ryan Goodman (@Ryan Goodman)1614005802.0

This was just a delay tactic by Trump's team. He delayed past the election, but the delay is over and time is catc… https://t.co/gIGl7yitlf — Renato Mariotti (@Renato Mariotti)1614005424.0

Congress should pass a law requiring all presidential candidates to include their last five years of tax returns as… https://t.co/rarnz8kMNi — Richard W. Painter (@Richard W. Painter)1614005683.0

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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Trump has seemed desperate to keep his taxes secret, but I think the main reason ( that he paid no taxes for years) is somewhat old news at this point. 

Still he fights it. So maybe there is an unknown bombshell. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
1.1  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

FANTASTIC - now we can get all of Obama's records, right?

After all, what's fair is fair.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1    2 weeks ago

If you can get Obama investigated for business fraud maybe you will get your wish. I doubt that is on the horizon though. 

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People wonder why you defend one of the biggest assholes in American history.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1    2 weeks ago

WTF are you talking about?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

Isn't everyone entitled to a defense?

Don't you support presumption of innocence and due process for every citizen?

Including people you consider to be assholes?

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

Who said trumpturd isn't entitled to a defense?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.5  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1    2 weeks ago

...but, but, but, whatabout ...

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.6  1stwarrior  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

Whhhhooooossssshhhhhh - sorry 'bout that.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
1.1.7  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

Well, you're consistent - Trump on your brain 24/7/365 and STILL not reading my responses regarding Trump and my lack of support of the person.

Don't let the cold get to you so badly John - it's clouding your judgement - and your choices of discussion.

 
 
 
zuksam
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1.1.8  zuksam  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
People wonder why you defend one of the biggest assholes in American history.

The problem is that Trump is being investigated, prosecuted, and persecuted by these people for no other reason than they think he's a asshole. That's why they call it a Witch Hunt, they're not going after Trump because he committed a specific crime they're investigating him looking for a crime they can charge him with because they hate him. I think they're right about Trump being an Asshole but the only thing their investigation has proven thus far is that they are Bigger Assholes.

 
 
 
bbl-1
PhD Quiet
1.1.9  bbl-1  replied to  zuksam @1.1.8    2 weeks ago

Whether Trump is adored or vilified is not an issue.

The issue is the money.  Equal under the law, correct? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

"Whhhhooooossssshhhhhh - sorry 'bout that."

Not over my head, has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.  Your projection, deflection, denial, and whataboutism are duly noted

 
 
 
zuksam
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1.1.11  zuksam  replied to  bbl-1 @1.1.9    2 weeks ago
Whether Trump is adored or vilified is not an issue.

It's the reason for the investigation, it's a personal vendetta born of anti-Trump Hate.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  zuksam @1.1.11    2 weeks ago

No vendetta at all.  Valid investigation.  Nowhere for that big fat pig tRumpturd to hide anymore!

 
 
 
bbl-1
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1.1.13  bbl-1  replied to  zuksam @1.1.11    2 weeks ago

No.  Corruption is what it is.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.14  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

I am confident that you recognize that Trump is an asshole.   That Trump demands utmost loyalty, exploits that loyalty and then throws people under the bus when convenient for himself.   That Trump gratuitously insults people based on their looks, handicaps, failures and pretty much any slight he can come up with (e.g. diminishing the service of McCain because he was captured and suffered as a P.O.W.).

Regardless of his politics, surely you recognize that as a human being, the label 'asshole' is a fitting description for Trump's behavior.  

And to your point, I agree that even assholes have the presumption of innocence and deserve due process.  But we should factor in what we know here and recognize that Trump may be legally presumed innocent but going after him legally is not like going after Oprah.   The likelihood of finding dishonest / ruthless practices by Trump seems rather high to me.

 
 
 
zuksam
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1.1.15  zuksam  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.12    2 weeks ago
Valid investigation

Only if you follow the Left's Stalinist Ideals, Show me the man and Ill find you the crime.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.16  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1    2 weeks ago

Obama's tax returns are available on line years 2000 through 2015

Bush's 2000 trhough 2007

Biden's 1998 through 2019

Trump - nothing

I am sure if you had a good reason, any of the past PoTUSs would share their post presidential tax return as well,

except Trump.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @1.1.13    2 weeks ago

"No.  Corruption is what it is."

Every single person in that entire criminal enterprise of an 'administration'

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1.18  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1    2 weeks ago
now we can get all of Obama's records, right?

Obama released seven years’ worth of his prior tax returns during his 2008 presidential campaign, then, while in office, he published on the White House website his tax returns for 2008 through 2015. President Obama did not release his college records but they were not "sealed" as some dumb shit conservative haters claimed. Trump, on the other hand, had his attorneys send threatening letters to Fordham University’s president that said releasing Trump’s college records, grades or SAT scores without his consent could “lead to jail time,” and requested confirmation that “the records have been permanently sealed.”

Trump on your brain 24/7/365

Trump has been out of office for just a month yet Obama's been out of office for over four years and yet some still have him on the brain apparently.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.19  1stwarrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.18    2 weeks ago

Yeah, yeah, yeah - college records, high school records, journal accounts, SAT/ACT test results - none of which have been shown on Obama - none.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Expert
1.1.20  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.16    2 weeks ago

Ya know - it ain't a law nor is it a requirement - in a better sense, what business is it of yours/anyone's what someone's tax returns PRIOR to them being elected to public office have recorded?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.21  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.19    2 weeks ago

what's the problem, do you think obama is too dumb to have graduated from harvard law school as editor of the law review ? 

Do you know what trump's classmates at u of pennsylvania said about him? 

“This was a major, major thing with Trump — that people might think he’s stupid,” Michael Wolff told me around the time of   Siege ’s publication earlier this summer. “The focus of that for Trump is the college transcripts, which are apparently terrible. I’ve spoken to friends of Trump from that time, and this was a guy that was obviously not interested in school and possibly never read a book in his life. For everyone that had known him then and years afterward, the assumption was that he had terrible grades, he was a lackluster student at best.”

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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1.1.22  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.20    2 weeks ago
what business is it of yours/anyone's what someone's tax returns PRIOR to them being elected to public office have recorded?

Taxes show what a person's financial situation is. Knowing what a president's financial situation is important to be able to discount any financial conflicts of interest that may affect a public officials use of their power. Especially our top politician, the president of the United States of America. 

Before we give them Power !

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1.23  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.19    2 weeks ago
college records, high school records, journal accounts, SAT/ACT test results - none of which have been shown on Obama - none.

None of which are traditionally released by any President and weren't released by dishonest Donald either. Not sure why so many conservatives were trying to demand them of President Obama unless they were of the racist opinion that a black man couldn't have scored well or somehow didn't deserve the education he received.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.24  Greg Jones  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.16    2 weeks ago
I am sure if you had a good reason, any of the past PoTUSs would share their post presidential tax return as well,
He withholds the returns because he's an asshole.
It gives lefties hope they can pin something on him

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.25  Kavika   replied to  1stwarrior @1.1    2 weeks ago
now we can get all of Obama's records, right?

You're aware that Obama produced his tax records, right? Since this is about tax records what in your mind does Obama need to release. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.26  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.20    2 weeks ago
college records, high school records, journal accounts, SAT/ACT test results - none of which have been shown on Obama - none.

Trump, Bush, Biden, -none.  not traditional

- tax returns are traditional, especially since Spiro Agnew and Richard Nixon got caught cooking their taxes.

in a better sense, what business is it of yours/anyone's what someone's tax returns PRIOR to them being elected to public office have recorded?

Yet here you are contradicting yourself.....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.27  Trout Giggles  replied to  zuksam @1.1.11    2 weeks ago
it's a personal vendetta born of anti-Trump Hate.

But the Supreme Court ruled against him...and aren't they a little heavy on the right side?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

Another nothing-burger.

The IRS has had him on their radar for years now, with no irregularities found or reported.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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1.2.1  evilgenius  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    2 weeks ago
Another nothing-burger.

Perhaps, but the questions of fraud were raised by Trump's own personal attorney.

The IRS has had him on their radar for years now, with no irregularities found or reported.

Now that the evidence has been released we'll know one way or the other. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    2 weeks ago
The IRS has had him on their radar for years now, with no irregularities found or reported. Trump will win in a landslide.
 
 
 
zuksam
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1.2.3  zuksam  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    2 weeks ago

They just want to get the documents just so they can Leak them. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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1.2.4  bbl-1  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    2 weeks ago

That is true.  According to Trump he's been under audit since 1816.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    2 weeks ago

The IRS has had him on their radar for years now, with no irregularities found or reported.

You mean the Trump administration run IRS?  That IRS for the last 4 years?  Or the IRS that Trump has claimed have been auditing his taxes for a record length of time?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

cool. I hope there's nothing left of trump after NY gets done with his crooked ass.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2  Greg Jones    2 weeks ago

Now that the evidence has been released we'll know one way or the other. 

What evidence would that be? And we'll never know what's in those returns unless charges are brought.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Greg Jones @2    2 weeks ago
And we'll never know what's in those returns unless charges are brought.

Or someone in the DA's office accidently releases that information to the press...

 
 
 
zuksam
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2.1.1  zuksam  replied to  Snuffy @2.1    2 weeks ago
Or someone in the DA's office accidently releases that information to the press...

That's been the plan from the start.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @2    2 weeks ago
What evidence would that be? And we'll never know what's in those returns unless charges are brought.

Well, we know through his former attorney that Trump regularly falsified property values, estimated them extremely low when it came to paying taxes on them and estimated them excessively high when requesting bank loans which is both tax fraud and bank fraud if done intentionally. Proving the intentionality will be the only difficult hurdle as the evidence of such wildly different estimated values will no doubt be clear. And for those who keep saying that the IRS didn't flag anything as they were doing their audits, they do not get access to the bank loan applications for comparison so they would not have known if Trump was claiming some property at excessively low values while at the same time showing them for an exorbitant value when using them as collateral for loans with Deutsche bank which would directly contradict the low value used in an attempt to avoid paying taxes.

So we may never know the specifics unless charges are brought, but we know what prosecutors are investigating and it doesn't look good for Trump. I don't doubt that Trump will throw everyone, even his own kids, under the bus if it allows him to avoid jailtime so we'll see if any of this sticks. Like other wannabe mob bosses Trump seems to be fairly careful about always using language when asking his employees to do things that don't specifically say "do this tax fraud" or "do this bank fraud" as his former attorney admitted, it's always been Trump implying what results he wants and eluding to the consequences for failure without specifically spelling out the crimes he is asking them to commit to get said results. We know that was the same problem with the case against Al Capone but the math doesn't lie which is why he went to prison not on any of the murder charges he was no doubt guilty of but tax fraud.

 
 
 
lady in black
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3  lady in black    2 weeks ago

Lock HIM up

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  lady in black @3    2 weeks ago

... right after they fuck him up ...

 
 
 
Hallux
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4  Hallux    2 weeks ago

How does this unfold ... ?

There will be leaks from the lawyers that will be dubbed as fake news.

There will be leaks from the Grand Jury that will be dubbed as fake news.

Donald will decry it as fake news and his animal farm supporters will chant alike.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5  bbl-1    2 weeks ago

I suspect Trump's tax returns will end up being the least of his problems.

His real and only financial problems will the 'two decade float' Trump businesses received from yet to be disclosed sources which the tax returns will open.  The question isn't the tax returns per se', but the funding which made up the tax returns.  ( This too ); The returns that contain made up disclosures.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
5.1  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @5    2 weeks ago
"I suspect Trump's tax returns will end up being the least of his problems. His real and only financial problems will the 'two decade float' Trump businesses received from yet to be disclosed sources which the tax returns will open.  The question isn't the tax returns per se', but the funding which made up the tax returns.  ( This too ); The returns that contain made up disclosures."

Indeed.  He's indebted to the tune of a billion dollars.  

All of his markers are coming due - that's the bitch isn't it?

 
 
 
lady in black
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6  lady in black    2 weeks ago

Mel better get those divorce papers signed and a settlement in place if she has any hope of walking away with any money.

 
 
 
bbl-1
PhD Quiet
6.1  bbl-1  replied to  lady in black @6    2 weeks ago

Except she's still there.

From Stephanie Winston Wolcott's book 'Melania And Me'.  "A Trump is a Trump is a Trump.  We thought you were one of us, but you're one of them."

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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8  Thrawn 31    2 weeks ago

This would be amazing, if Trump's presidency ended up being what brought down his fake business empire. He just brought to much attention to himself, ironic right lol, and if he hadn't no one would have looked too hard. Oscar award winning ending right there. 

 
 
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