Texas GOP launches avalanche of bills to curtail voting

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  tessylo  •  one month ago  •  92 comments

By:   Jane C. Timm, NBC News

Texas GOP launches avalanche of bills to curtail voting

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



Texas GOP launches avalanche of bills to curtail voting



Jane C. Timm Mon, March 15, 2021, 5:01 AM


Texas Republicans are rolling out a slew of restrictive election bills, taking particular aim at early voting after Democrats enthusiastically embraced the practice last year.

More than two dozen GOP-sponsored elections bills are under consideration in the Legislature as lawmakers seek to tighten ID requirements and voter rolls, limit early voting and up the penalties for errors. The broad interest — and adirective last month from the governorto prioritize election legislation — makes changes to Texas' election law likely this year.

"Texas has been working on election integrity for a while," said state Sen. Bryan Hughes, a Republican who chairs the State Affairs Committee and introduced a 27-page omnibus bill with several new restrictions and penalties.

"This was already in process, but then the 2020 election was so in the national spotlight, and so many people have questions, so many people have concerns," he said. "I would say that has raised the profile of the issue." Related: Why LBJ's speech on Voting Rights Act still resonates today 604f50d6901e250232b2b7bf_o_U_v2.jpg

Why LBJ's speech on Voting Rights Act still resonates today

Monday marks the 56th anniversary of LBJ's address to a joint session of Congress talking about the Voting Rights Act, and presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin joins Morning Joe to discuss the occasion.

Former President Donald Trump's stolen election lie has convinced 3 of every 4 Republicans that there was widespread voter fraud in last year's election,according to a December Quinnipiac University poll, even though there is broad evidence that it is extremely rare.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office spent 22,000 hours looking for voter fraud and uncovered just 16 cases of false addresses on registration forms, according toThe Houston Chronicle.Nearly 17 million votersare registered in Texas.

And while Texas already had some of the most restrictive laws on the books, that isn't stopping state lawmakers from joining their GOP peers across the country to propose new restrictive bills. Republican legislators in Georgia, Arizona, Florida and Wisconsin — many of whomjoined with Trump to cast doubt on the system— are legislating to restrict the vote, arguing that new measures are needed to restore trust in the system.

According to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law, lawmakers have introduced at least 253 restrictive bills in 43 states.

Democrats in Texas — and across the country — have countered with proposals to expand voting access, butwith GOP control in a majority of state legislaturesand in key swing states, the restrictions are increasingly more potent.

"It's important that the system be fair, but it's equally important that people know it's fair, so they'll participate, so they'll vote," said Hughes, who was re-elected in November. He said he wasn't sure whether the presidential race had been stolen.

Many of the provisions would directly address creative ways that Texans voted during the pandemic, like overnight early voting and drive-thru voting, as well as mail-in voting, which Trump particularly protested.

"If you can name an improvement, there's a bill that's been filed to try and eliminate it," said Cinde Weatherby, who works on voting rights issues with the League of Women Voters Texas. The group opposes restrictive voting laws and advocates for modernizing the state's election system.

Early voting is a frequent target of the GOP bills, with proposed legislation targeting where and when voters cast their ballots before Election Day.

Harris, the nation's third-largest county and home to Houston, appears to be a particular target. The county offered drive-thru early voting andovernight early votinglast year for its 4.7 million residents to make voting during the pandemic safer and more accessible.

Two Senate bills propose barring tents and garages for early voting, potentially targeting Harris County's drive-thru early voting, which occurred in tents and garages. Republicans repeatedly sued over drive-thru voting last fall, but thecourts refused to toss outthe more than 127,000 ballots that were cast that way.

Several bills seek to limit early voting to certain hours or to standardize hours across the state, which would expand early voting in smaller counties while limiting it in the largest counties. All would cut early voting hours in urban, Democratic areas.

State Rep. Jared Patterson, a Republican from Denton County, introduced a bill to limit early voting to the hours of 6 a.m. and 9 p.m.

"Momma always said nothing good happens after midnight," he wrote in a tweet. "That includes at polling places."

Other proposed legislation targets mail voting, which lawmakers say needs additional precautions to prevent fraud.

Republicans have proposed a bill that would shrink the period when voters could return mail ballots, while another bill would ask voters to mail back photocopies of their driver's licenses or other qualifying identification with their mail ballots.

Democratic voters in the state were more likely to cast mail ballots in the last election than Republicans,The Texas Tribune reported.

Several bills also seek to ensure that noncitizens stay off the voter rolls and urge election officials to aggressively purge the rolls. And a slew of bills would add or increase penalties for fraud or mistakes made by voters or officials in running elections.

Hughes' election bill, which he said he expects will be the vehicle for any voting legislation coming out of the Senate, would impose civil fines on local officials who don't purge their voter rolls quickly enough — $100 for every voter the secretary of state's office identifies as improperly being on the books.

ea6698685e70b9b00c8db98d9abc8dea Image: Texas Caps Mail-Vote Drop Sites, Amping Up Feud (Sergio Flores / Bloomberg via Getty Images file)

Several of the bills seem aimed at preventing things that happened elsewhere in the U.S.

State Sen. Paul Bettencourt, a Republican from Harris County, has sponsored a bill that would prohibit election officials from waiving signature match requirements on mail ballots, which he said hasn't happened in Texas.

"We saw it in Atlanta, Pennsylvania — Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee," he said, pointing to many of the Democratic cities with large populations of Black voters that Trump's allies baselessly accused of orchestrating a large voter fraud campaign to steal the election.

A court rulingwaivedPennsylvania's signature match requirements in ballot verification last year, but the three other cities verified voters who cast mail ballots. In Wisconsin, voters verified their identities by including copies of their photo IDs on the ballot application, and witnesses were required to sign affidavits on that ballot. Georgia and Michigan also verifysignature matches on mail ballots.

Pressed on that, Bettencourt said it didn't matter.

"Just the fact that we saw it in Pennsylvania for sure is enough," he said. "We just don't want election officials going down that path here."


Tags

jrDiscussion - desc
[]
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

Former President Donald Trump's stolen election lie has convinced 3 of every 4 Republicans that there was widespread voter fraud in last year's election,   according to a December Quinnipiac University poll , even though there is broad evidence that it is extremely rare.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office spent 22,000 hours looking for voter fraud and uncovered just 16 cases of false addresses on registration forms, according to   The Houston Chronicle .   Nearly 17 million voters   are registered in Texas.

And while Texas already had some of the most restrictive laws on the books, that isn't stopping state lawmakers from joining their GOP peers across the country to propose new restrictive bills. Republican legislators in Georgia, Arizona, Florida and Wisconsin — many of whom   joined with Trump to cast doubt on the system   — are legislating to restrict the vote, arguing that new measures are needed to restore trust in the system.

According to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law, lawmakers have introduced at least 253 restrictive bills in 43 states.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

VOTER SUPPRESSION.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
PhD Expert
2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2    one month ago

A lot of places are requiring ID to get a Covid vaccine. Is that Vaccine Suppression?

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Participates
2.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  Tacos! @2.1    one month ago

Are those requirements for vaccine put in place to discourage people from getting them? You know that's why the Tx GoP is changing voting laws. They were the ones that approved them in the first place when they thought it would benefit them. Now that they got their asses handed to them in more liberal urban areas they want to make changes. They are well within their rights to do so, but let's not lie and say its for anything else but to give them an edge in future elections.

 
 
 
Tacos!
PhD Expert
2.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.1    one month ago
Are those requirements for vaccine put in place to discourage people from getting them?

Yes, in a way. They don’t want young healthy people getting the vaccine when they are trying to vaccinate older people, medical personnel, or teachers, for example. They also want to make sure they are vaccinating people who live in the area and not someone who drove in from out of town.

That doesn’t mean, of course, that people will never get a vaccine. It just means they have to wait longer and get the vaccine when it is their time.

Voting regulations are intended to operate in the same way. They want to make sure people who are actually legally eligible to vote are the ones doing the voting, and that those are the votes we count. They want to make sure no one is casting a vote for another person. They want to make sure votes are processed accurately.

I wouldn’t think those goals would be controversial, but Democrats have developed a kind of political theology that says any and all voting regulations are some kind of Jim Crow style effort to keep liberal voters or people of color from voting. I don’t know why such regulations would only impact those voters unless 1) you just think liberals and/or people of color are too stupid to handle simple things like acquiring an ID or 2) someone was planning on using the lack of regulations to cast fraudulent votes for those people.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.2    one month ago
"Are those requirements for vaccine put in place to discourage people from getting them?"
"Yes, in a way."

No, not in any way, shape or form.

Tacos is making it up as he goes along . . . . . 

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Participates
2.1.4  evilgenius  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.2    one month ago
Yes, in a way. They don’t want young healthy people getting the vaccine when they are trying to vaccinate older people, medical personnel, or teachers, for example.

Then it is by definition suppression.

They want to make sure people who are actually legally eligible to vote are the ones doing the voting, and that those are the votes we count. They want to make sure no one is casting a vote for another person. They want to make sure votes are processed accurately.

They already have laws that prosecute illegal voting. They have also not shown the need to add these additional restrictions other than they lost votes in the last election.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
2.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.3    one month ago

Yes they are. People cannot jump the line to get the vaccine if their group isn't authorized yet. PERIOD 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.4    one month ago
"They have also not shown the need to add these additional restrictions other than they lost votes in the last election."

AND THIS IS THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE LAUNCHING THIS AVALANCHE OF BILLS TO CURTAIL VOTING!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.5    one month ago
"Yes they are"

NO.  EXCLAMATION POINT!

The point went right over your head, as usual.  

WOOSH!

 
 
 
gooseisgone
Senior Quiet
2.1.8  gooseisgone  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.1    one month ago
Are those requirements for vaccine put in place to discourage people from getting them? You know that's why the Tx GoP is changing voting laws.

I know you have proof of this or you wouldn't have posted it, but you have forgotten to provide the link to this claim, so please post it .  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
2.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.7    one month ago

How so..............the question was asked, I provided the "rules" here in NC. If it is different where you live, please expound. YA CAN'T JUMP THE PRIORITY LINE. FFS

And I know the discussion was based on the voting suppression bullshit but that isn't what I was responding to.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.8    one month ago

"Are those requirements for vaccine put in place to discourage people from getting them?"

You obviously don't get it, along with expatingb - if someone is required to show an ID for a Co-Vid vaccination, it is to make sure that the proper person is getting the vaccination.  He was making a point which obviously you and he are oblivious to. . . 

THESE LAWS ARE OBVIOUSLY BEING LAUNCHED BY THE GQP TO SUPPRESS THOSE VOTES THAT THEY KNOW WON'T/WOULDN'T GO TO THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Participates
2.1.11  evilgenius  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.8    one month ago

Remember when the Republicans were for these very laws they are now changing? Everyone with a functioning brain can see the reason for the flurry of new laws is skim a point or two from Dems where Reps lost them in the last election. It's okay to say it. It doesn't change anything. The Republican state lawmakers are free to do so, but to think they, or you for that matter, are fooling anyone is laughable. Well, I expect there are those on the far right who actually think liberals are voting illegally and that in itself is both sad and laughable on it's own.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.12  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.9    one month ago

NO!  I don't give a shit what the 'rules' are there in NC.  I don't give a shit what you were responding to.  You're still WRONG.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
2.1.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.12    one month ago

So there ARE NO priorities for shots where  you live then. Good to know they are not so concerned with the elderly being first..........well sad actually.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.14  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.13    one month ago

You're incorrect.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
2.1.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.14    one month ago

Then your claims about ID to get a shot are moot.

Thanks for the confirmation.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
Senior Quiet
2.1.16  gooseisgone  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.10    one month ago
You obviously don't get it, - if someone is required to show an ID for a Co-Vid vaccination, it is to make sure that the proper person is getting the vaccination.

Why do you think they want photo ID for voting???????????

THESE LAWS ARE OBVIOUSLY BEING LAUNCHED BY THE GQP TO SUPPRESS THOSE VOTES

Who are they suppressing? 

 
 
 
gooseisgone
Senior Quiet
2.1.17  gooseisgone  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.11    one month ago
Remember when the Republicans were for these very laws they are now changing?

Since when? The system was abused because of Covid with all the lax voting requirements that in many cases went against the State laws. Please point out which one of these changes suppresses the vote and how it suppresses the vote. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Participates
2.1.18  evilgenius  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.17    one month ago
Since when?

When they enacted them. 

The system was abused because of Covid with all the lax voting requirements that in many cases went against the State laws.

But they stood up to judicial review and no one has shown anything more than one or two cases of voting irregularities. 

Please point out which one of these changes suppresses the vote and how it suppresses the vote. 

Please point out why these changes being targeted in areas where Dems gained votes? Mainly absentee ballots and drop boxes in urban areas.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.1.19  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.5    one month ago
Yes they are. People cannot jump the line to get the vaccine if their group isn't authorized yet. PERIOD

Not really.  In Texas there is a county by county program based on birth dates.  However if you que up to the stadium,

drive through they have like 18 lanes for those with appointments 

and 2 lanes for those who do not but are willing  to wait.

There are so many no shows that when appointments are exhausted and there are open vials,

the non appointments get their shots.

They need valid insurance or a valid drivers license and a signed consent form.

We both got our calls today and report to get our shots Saturday at a clinic, no drive through for us.

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
2.1.20  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.10    one month ago
if someone is required to show an ID for a Co-Vid vaccination, it is to make sure that the proper person is getting the vaccination

So then what is wrong with showing an ID to vote to ensure the person on the ID is the person voting, and vice versa?

 
 
 
gooseisgone
Senior Quiet
2.1.21  gooseisgone  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.18    one month ago
Please point out why these changes being targeted in areas where Dems gained votes? Mainly absentee ballots and drop boxes in urban areas.

There not, absentee ballots are not a problem as long as there're verified (which they were till last election)

drop boxes in urban areas

It not just in urban areas, they need to maintain the chain of custody, why do you have a problem with that.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
2.1.22  dennis smith  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.18    one month ago

Even one or two voting irregularities are to many if you want every vote to count.

States ignoring there own election laws at the last minute sets it up for many irregularities/fraud in the election process.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.23  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  dennis smith @2.1.22    one month ago

The majority of the 'irregularities' are on the republican side.

Also, what you're saying is untrue, as usual.  

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
2.1.24  dennis smith  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.23    one month ago

I would ask you for proof but as usual you will not provide any. Typical spin though

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Participates
3  Greg Jones    one month ago

Name even one new law that would amount to voter suppression.

According to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law, lawmakers have introduced at least 253 restrictive bills in 43 states.

That should help eliminate some cheating by the Left. The last election proved the voting system is broken.

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Participates
3.1  evilgenius  replied to  Greg Jones @3    one month ago
The last election proved the voting system is broken.

A lie.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @3    one month ago

The exact opposite is true

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
Professor Expert
3.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @3    one month ago

Those on the left don't have to cheat.... They have ideas to try and move America forward.

All the GOP has are tax breaks for their wealthy donors.......  So much for being on the side of the blue collar...  Now there is a lie for you Greg.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
PhD Quiet
3.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @3    one month ago
 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
3.4.1  expatingb  replied to  Ozzwald @3.4    one month ago

Facts are useful.  

Barr actually noted this:

Attorney General William Barr said federal authorities have not uncovered any widespread fraud that might have affected the outcome of the 2020 election, contradicting President Trump.

That's a far cry from "No election fraud".

And I quote:

“to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

Here's more if you're actually interested, which I doubt.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.4.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  expatingb @3.4.1    one month ago
"Facts are useful."

I'll let you know when you provide any

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
3.4.3  expatingb  replied to  Tessylo @3.4.2    one month ago
I'll let you know when you provide any

Just did.  Read the article.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.4.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  expatingb @3.4.3    one month ago

Like I said, I'll let you know, so don't hold your breath . . . 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
PhD Quiet
3.4.5  Ozzwald  replied to  expatingb @3.4.1    one month ago
Attorney General William Barr said federal authorities have not uncovered any widespread fraud that might have affected the outcome of the 2020 election, contradicting President Trump.

Please list the election fraud instances that the DOJ did find.  That would have bee3n big news, and you know Trump would have been showing them as examples to the frauds he was claiming.  So please do list them.

That's a far cry from "No election fraud".

Is it?  Or is it just another way of saying zero?  What's the opposite of "widespread"?  Would zero qualify as not being "widespread"?

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
3.4.6  expatingb  replied to  Ozzwald @3.4.5    one month ago
Please list the election fraud instances that the DOJ did find. 

Read it yourself:

 
 
 
Ozzwald
PhD Quiet
3.4.7  Ozzwald  replied to  expatingb @3.4.6    one month ago
Read it yourself

Nothing there to read.  I am simply asking for factual examples of the fraud that you are claiming Barr insinuated.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
3.4.8  Split Personality  replied to  expatingb @3.4.1    one month ago

On  the other hand, in response to TX Lt Gov Dan Patrick's silly promise to pay as much as $25,000 to  $1 million for instances of voter fraud, PA Lt Gov Jon Fetterman produced 3 Republicans who were caught and being prosecuted for voting for dead moms and in one instance a son.  All attempted to vote twice for Trump.

Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. Fetterman relentlessly trolls Dan Patrick seeking $1M voter fraud bounty (msn.com)

this is an old article, I believe the count reached 5.

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
3.4.9  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @3.4.2    one month ago
I'll let you know when you provide any

And we the same to you

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
3.4.10  dennis smith  replied to  expatingb @3.4.3    one month ago

Ignoring proof and facts is common for some fringe left posters and commenters. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.4.11  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  dennis smith @3.4.10    one month ago

You all have never provided any proof or facts, only dogwhistles 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.4.12  TᵢG  replied to  dennis smith @3.4.10    one month ago

What an odd comment given we have individuals right here who to this day insist that Trump actually won reelection and that Biden stole the election.   Now that is some major league scale ignoring.

People often ignore facts when arguing their positions.   But ignoring the repeated recounts, certifications, resolution of lawsuits and (frankly) common sense regarding the election of 2020 is egregious.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
3.4.13  dennis smith  replied to  Tessylo @3.4.11    one month ago

Pot calling kettle black comment

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
3.4.14  dennis smith  replied to  TᵢG @3.4.12    one month ago

I never insisted that Trump won reelection. When you respond to a comment I make, don't lump me in with others.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.4.15  TᵢG  replied to  dennis smith @3.4.14    one month ago

Read more carefully.   Here is what I wrote:

TiG @3.4.12What an odd comment given we have individuals right here who to this day insist that Trump actually won reelection and that Biden stole the election.   Now that is some major league scale ignoring.

Note the blue part.   I stated that your comment:

Dennis @3.4.10Ignoring proof and facts is common for some fringe left posters and commenters

... was odd because you focused on left posters and commenters regarding ignoring proof and facts.    I then followed up with an example of how that is done routinely and profoundly by individuals on the right.

My comment referred to other individuals as an example of people on the right doing what you stated (and, indeed, at a much worse level).

So my advice back to you is to first comprehend what you are reading before responding.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
3.4.16  dennis smith  replied to  TᵢG @3.4.15    one month ago

Read carefully. My comment 3.4.10 said nothing about Trump. 

The odd comment is that you brought the election up.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.4.17  TᵢG  replied to  dennis smith @3.4.16    one month ago

You know Dennis, there comes a point when one realizes that breaking something down even further is futile.   IMO you will simply continue to pretend that you do not comprehend.   

Frankly, I think the tactic of faux obtuseness is losing / demeaning;  I would be embarrassed to engage in such a tactic.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
3.4.18  dennis smith  replied to  TᵢG @3.4.17    one month ago

Your opinion is just that, your opinion.

Then stop being obtuse, spinning and deflecting.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.4.19  TᵢG  replied to  dennis smith @3.4.18    one month ago

Remarkable.  You truly have no idea what I wrote or how to rebut it (if that is even your intent).

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
4  expatingb    one month ago
Several of the bills seem aimed at preventing things that happened elsewhere in the U.S.

Good move.  Knowing problems have happened elsewhere, provide the legislative remedy now to prevent any occurrence in Texas. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  expatingb @4    one month ago
VOTER SUPPRESSION.  

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY 'CONSERVATIVES' CAN WIN.  BY LYING CHEATING AND STEALING.

THE TURD WHO LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE ON 1/20/21 SAID SO HIMSELF. 

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
4.1.1  expatingb  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    one month ago
VOTER SUPPRESSION. 

Hardly.

This is an excerpt of an email reply I received from Senator Toomey (PA)

I have also been critical of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court's unconstitutional decision to re-write state law and require county boards of election to count mail-in ballots, including those with illegible or no postmarks, that arrived three days after Election Day.

Please pay particular attention to the word unconstitutional.   The Pennsylvania legislature makes law, the court does not.   The PA Supreme court, by it's decision placed itself in the role of legislators writing law.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  expatingb @4.1.1    one month ago
VOTER SUPPRESSION

"Hardly."

EXACTLY

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
4.1.3  expatingb  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.2    one month ago

If you believe so, use words and make a complete sentence supporting your position.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  expatingb @4.1.3    one month ago

No need.  The so-called conservatives have said so themselves, that this is the only way they will win, by only allowing certain folks to vote and 'not everyone should be allowed to vote' if you are of a certain skin tone. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  expatingb @4.1.3    one month ago

I KNOW SO.

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
4.1.6  expatingb  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.4    one month ago
by only allowing certain folks to vote and 'not everyone should be allowed to vote'

Very true.  Only legal American citizens of the required legal age should be permitted to vote.   

Are you espousing that anyone that shows up to vote at any time should be permitted to vote in American electoions on a local, state or national level?

Can't the United States require what many countries around the world require?  that requirement is a photo ID.  Unless you want to have voters fingers dipped in ink like was done in Iraq.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  expatingb @4.1.3    one month ago

I don't answer to you or your fellow 'dog whistlers'

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  expatingb @4.1.6    one month ago

You know what I mean.  The dog whistles are quite loud from your side of the aisle.  

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
4.1.9  Ender  replied to  expatingb @4.1.1    one month ago

Do you actually think a mail in ballot could be anonymous...

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
4.1.10  expatingb  replied to  Ender @4.1.9    one month ago
Do you actually think a mail in ballot could be anonymous...

You don't?   But please differentiate between a 'mail in ballot' as in a mass mailing of ballots to voters by the state and absentee ballots requested by eligible voters due to circumstances preventing them from in-person voting, like military personnel and government workers stationed overseas.

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
4.1.11  expatingb  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.7    one month ago
I don't answer to you or your fellow 'dog whistlers'

Please expand on that. [deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.12  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  expatingb @4.1.11    one month ago

Again, I don't answer to you.  You know exactly what I do mean though!  

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
4.1.13  expatingb  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.12    one month ago
You know exactly what I do mean though!  

Thought so.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.14  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  expatingb @4.1.13    one month ago

Knew so!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
4.1.15  Ender  replied to  expatingb @4.1.10    one month ago

How can they be anonymous. They are sent to a person , mailed back from a person, there are online tracking tools to track your ballot.

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
4.1.16  Ender  replied to  Ender @4.1.15    one month ago

From what I gather, there are also identifiers on ballots that are mailed out so they can tell when a ballot was mailed and to who.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
4.1.17  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @4.1.16    one month ago

Bar codes, love them or hate them, lol.

I used ink that bled through my ballot and requested a replacement.  I was told it was unique

and to take it to the County office in person where  they approved that I keep the original and hand it in that way.

Lot's of bar codes, across the top and the whole left vertical edge.

Same on the inner envelope.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Guide
4.1.18  pat wilson  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.17    one month ago

I did that too. I just took it to the polling place. They destroyed it and let me vote there.

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
4.1.19  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.8    one month ago
The dog whistles are quite loud from your side of the aisle.  

You mean the ones only you leftists seem to hear?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.20  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @4.1.15    one month ago

I received an e-mail regarding my drop off ballot being received so no, not anonymous.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
PhD Expert
5  Tacos!    one month ago

No word of course on precisely - or even approximately - how many votes will be suppressed as a result of any regulation.

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Participates
5.1  evilgenius  replied to  Tacos! @5    one month ago
No word of course on precisely - or even approximately - how many votes will be suppressed as a result of any regulation.

Well that's not quite true. The issue has been studied, but I'll just link this from the ACLU website.

Voter ID laws have been estimated by the U.S. Government Accountability Office to reduce voter turnout by 2-3 percentage points, translating to tens of thousands of votes lost in a single state.
 
 
 
Tacos!
PhD Expert
5.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  evilgenius @5.1    one month ago

Anyone can claim to study a thing. Just because you study a thing doesn’t mean your study is any good or that your conclusions are justified - or even relevant.

Let’s assume as true that voter turnout was actually reduced by 3% (noting that the number itself is an estimate offered with no margin for error and no justification for the validity of the estimate). But let’s assume it’s true:

Is the reduction in turnout something that impacted only liberal voters? Or only minority voters? Or even a majority of them? Why in the world would it be that a generally applicable regulation would only impact those particular voters?

Further, how do we know that the restrictions aren’t simply working as intended and weeding out improper votes?

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
5.1.2  expatingb  replied to  evilgenius @5.1    one month ago

Here's some additional reading that you might want to take advantage of.   

It's a long boring piece of writing, but you too will find things like same day registration, inability to ask for any identification other than the 'registrants' saying that yes I'm who I claim to be, and other things which are detrimental to legal American citizen voters and quite helpful to others.

It's an attempt by the Federal Government to eliminate State control over elections, which is a state responsibility per the Constitution, and assume all control over it from a federal perspective even down to local elections.

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Participates
5.1.3  evilgenius  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.1    one month ago
Just because you study a thing doesn’t mean your study is any good or that your conclusions are justified - or even relevant.

The GAO is irrelevant? 

Is the reduction in turnout something that impacted only liberal voters? Or only minority voters? Or even a majority of them? Why in the world would it be that a generally applicable regulation would only impact those particular voters?

I know you are smarter than this. I know, you know I'm smarter than this. The bills are targeting areas that where Dems won in the last election. It's just like "redistricting". It's legal manipulation to game the election system. Nothing more, nothing less. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Participates
5.1.4  evilgenius  replied to  expatingb @5.1.2    one month ago
It's an attempt by the Federal Government to eliminate State control over elections.

It doesn't eliminate state control, but it does try to restrict control which I don't think will stand up to court challenge. 

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
5.1.5  expatingb  replied to  evilgenius @5.1.4    one month ago
It doesn't eliminate state control,

Not even allowing for state authorities to request identification is assuming control.

Changing election time from a theoretical single day, into a month long process is assuming control.

Not permitting states to cull invalid voter registrations from their voter rolls is assuming control.

There is of course more, but please delve into it when you get a chance.

It's not eye opening, it's terrifying.

 
 
 
evilgenius
Professor Participates
5.1.6  evilgenius  replied to  expatingb @5.1.5    one month ago

Again it isn't going to stand up in court so it is not terrifying. Hyperpartisan hyperventilating is silly. This is nothing more than a political ploy by the Dems to bring attention to the Republican bills restricting voting and raise money. I don't like it, but I'm not losing sleep.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.1.7  dennis smith  replied to  evilgenius @5.1    one month ago

Nothing is going to happen so why are isn't their leader Joe Bidet getting the message to them to address their focus on more important things like improving the national electrical grid, national highway problems, bridges,  the immigration crisis at the southern border etc.

Chewing gum and walking seems very difficult for the current House and Senate and WH 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  dennis smith @5.1.7    one month ago

The gqp just need to get the fuck out of the way because they're not doing anything but obstructing anyway.  President Biden has been busy since day one and I believe that fat turd that left the White House on 1/20/21 had already golfed at least four times by now.  

 
 
 
dennis smith
Senior Silent
5.1.9  dennis smith  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.8    one month ago

Bidet must be busy napping as he doesn't have time for a press conference, talking to the American people, etc.

Pale President Joe is very busy - NOT.

When he is no longer in office it will be a great day for America and hopefully that will be very soon. 

A private citizen golfing seems to really bothers you. Sounds like Trump has taken over your mind

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
5.2  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @5    one month ago

It only matters if it your own vote that is disallowed.

 
 
 
JBB
PhD Principal
6  JBB    one month ago

Now cue all of the whineyassed protests that it is unfair to paint the whole gop with what the gop is doing...

Republican legislators are actively screwing you!

Since we should now be able to safely vote on our phones, we already bank and shop that way, why is the damn gop making it harder for people to vote?

Because after Trump voters are sick of their shit!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @6    one month ago

the gqp

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
7  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

Welcome to China, Texans.

Re142ae1d64f2fb2d348639bf18c07bf4?rik=%2fdp43PMxLdo5Qg&riu=http%3a%2f%2ffamouswonders.com%2fwp-content%2fgallery%2fforbidden-city%2fforbidden-city-mao-entrance.jpg&ehk=CsHG8PtWS7aVGmWZl2tizWcOnWTT%2bSzq9M1JoEmup9k%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
7.1  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    one month ago

Reminds me of the coastal defenses on the Marin County peninsula north of the Golden Gate Bridge.

If you see green trees or bushes, there's a gun emplacement "hidden" there. 

Like every green awning marks a policeman.jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
7.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @7.1    one month ago

I had a friend that was making a survey for the BLM at hoover dam years ago. the local cane waver and walker pushing brigade were up in arms when they found out the "secret" high ground location of the gun emplacement from WWII was going to be disclosed. wackos.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
7.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  devangelical @7.1.1    one month ago

Back when the National Park Service worked in Marin, they had real NIKE missile launchers that had replaced

WWII artillery batteries and antiaircraft guns.

Because they were intercepting and interpreting Japanese communications, they knew that if the Japs attacked

they would target every green tree or bush hiding a cave or gun mount.

Thanks Army Corps of Engineers.

The same group thought it a great idea to plant eucalyptus trees for the same reasons as well as reclaiming swampy land.

The Oakland Hills Tunnel Fire 1991 was fueled by those highly flammable, oily leaves, destroying 3,500 homes.

Imagine if one Jap shell had landed in the Presidio, we would have lost that base in a few hours.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
7.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.2    one month ago

until last summer if I recall, the last 3-5 largest forest fires in Colorado started off as controlled burns or set by forest rangers, one purposely and one accidentally set by a jilted lover destroying her love letters, during a burn ban in the forests one summer. oops.

 
 
Loading...
Loading...

Who is online

Ed-NavDoc


40 visitors