Conservative news outlets, accused of election falsehoods, air disclaimers | Reuters

  

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Via:  flynavy1  •  3 weeks ago  •  40 comments

By:   Helen Coster, Wolfe (U. S.)

Conservative news outlets, accused of election falsehoods, air disclaimers | Reuters
Businessman Mike Lindell appeared on the cable network Newsmax last month and launched into a baseless conspiracy theory blaming a voting machine company for fraud in the 2020 presidential election.

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By Helen Coster, Jan Wolfe
(Reuters) -Businessman Mike Lindell appeared on the cable network Newsmax last month and launched into a baseless conspiracy theory blaming a voting machine company for fraud in the 2020 presidential election.
FILE PHOTO: U.S. President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani gestures as he speaks as Trump supporters gather by the White House ahead of his speech to contest the certification by the U.S. Congress of the results of the 2020 U.S. presidential election in Washington, U.S, January 6, 2021. REUTERS/Jim Bourg
After muting Lindell's microphone, a Newsmax anchor told viewers that the My Pillow Inc founder's claims were unsubstantiated and unverified. The anchor then read a prepared statement that included: "Newsmax accepts the (election) results as legal and final."
Lindell, an ardent ally of losing presidential candidate Donald Trump, refused to drop the subject, and the anchor stormed off mid-interview.
The on-air reality check highlights a new trend in conservative media: In an apparent effort to minimize liability for defamation, Newsmax and some other outlets are relying on prepared disclaimers or additional pre-recorded programming to repudiate pro-Trump conspiracy theories spouted by guests and hosts.
Legal experts say this practice, also used in some form by One America News Network (OANN) and other conservative TV and radio networks, is a response to lawsuits recently

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FLYNAVY1
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1  seeder  FLYNAVY1    3 weeks ago

I'm not a lawyer, and I have no idea where these lawsuits by Smartmatic and Dominion are going to end up..... but I can hope that some expensive settlements will cause some of the biggest purveyors of "The Big LIe" to come clean and be forced to tell the truth.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    3 weeks ago

that's how i would wish to get an "honest assessment of the 'News'", by hearing a disclaimer before each topic, cause they obviously are so 'sure' of what they are preaching as fact, that it MUST be pointed out, that their LIES are not actually LIES, they are just opinions incongruent to the FACTS !   WTF People ???

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.1  Ender  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1    3 weeks ago

And some of the conservative base will still believe the lies.

They were forced to put up a disclaimer by the deep state doncha know...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ender @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
They were forced to put up a disclaimer by the deep state doncha know...

It's further proof that many conservatives are living in their own conservative universe chock full of fiction and fantasy. When they believe so much fiction, of course they're going to convince themselves that there is a 'deep state' behind the disclaimers. In reality the disclaimers are put there by the conservative media attorneys who know the real world liability and cost of lying and slandering others and the fact that they have zero evidence of their wild fantasies that they could actually present in court when sued.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2  Ender  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    3 weeks ago

Some of these people should have their law license ripped from them.

The Kraken woman admitted she was telling lies.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    3 weeks ago

Faux 'news' just got hit with a $1.9 billion lawsuit!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    3 weeks ago

Lindell should keep his mouth shut and stick to producing and promoting his overpriced and uncomfortable pillows!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.4.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4    3 weeks ago

Happy Friday Ed......

Pillows and policy.   Both useful items, but hardly interchangeable.....!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.4.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.1    3 weeks ago

Happy Friday to you as well.

You are most correct about pillows and policies.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.4.3  Ender  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4.2    3 weeks ago

Well considering some of the sexual escapades by our elected officials, one could almost call it pillow policy....

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.5  Tacos!  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    3 weeks ago

I haven’t read the complaints, but as a general matter, news media are simply the platform that speakers use. The platform itself isn’t usually responsible for what an individual says. We see this all day long, every day, in the news. You stick a microphone in front of somebody, and they spew their shit. Whatever it is, it’s the speaker who is responsible for his words, not the guy holding the microphone. A newspaper will quote a person making a wild claim, but that doesn’t mean the newspaper is making that claim unless it’s an op-ed piece.

Obviously, every outlet makes editorial choices about the people they will interview or quote, but I think the most the we can say about the media is that it’s shitty journalism to let an interviewee spout unfounded nonsense without any pushback.

Even if the media is considered the publisher of the content, the standard to prove defamation is very high for public figures, and companies involved in administering federal elections might reasonably be seen as such. Rather than the defendant having to prove his statement is true (the usual standard for defamation), the plaintiff has to prove the statement is not only false, but was made with “actual malice” - i.e. the speaker knew he was saying something false and said it anyway. Lindell probably believes the shit he is saying, even if it’s irrational.

I think it was in the Times v Sullivan case (where the actual malice standard was set) that the Court said that erroneous speech was inevitable in free debate, or something to that effect. In other words, as we discuss and debate these matters, you should expect to hear total bullshit come out of people’s mouths.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.5.1  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @1.5    3 weeks ago
Rather than the defendant having to prove his statement is true (the usual standard for defamation), the plaintiff has to prove the statement is not only false, but was made with “actual malice” - i.e. the speaker knew he was saying something false and said it anyway. Lindell probably believes the shit he is saying, even if it’s irrational.

True about Lindell.  Not true about Powell, she now admits she should not be believed and at least a third of the country believes those voting machines are not reliable.

The lawyer should be held to a higher standard than Lindell, who admits his previous chemical addictions which he exchanged for religion and eventually politics. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.5.2  CB   replied to  Tacos! @1.5    3 weeks ago
Even if the media is considered the publisher of the content, the standard to prove defamation is very high for public figures, and companies involved in administering federal elections might reasonably be seen as such. Rather than the defendant having to prove his statement is true (the usual standard for defamation), the plaintiff has to prove the statement is not only false, but was made with “actual malice” - i.e. the speaker knew he was saying something false and said it anyway. Lindell probably believes the shit he is saying, even if it’s irrational.

That is an issue for courts to decide based on evidence and judgement. Liddell the story goes was disabused of his ignorance and he persisted - so much so - the interviewer broke away from him hurriedly. At some evidential point: defamation becomes a thing provable to a judge and jury appropriately - or else a settlement out of court is hastily arranged.

And by the way. . . damn all the bull patty lawyers persist in writing into law to continue screwing the minds of innocent people who simply want to live one (or more) generations free of the responsibility of carrying "legalese baggage" as a national 'load.'

 
 
 
CB
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1.5.3  CB   replied to  Split Personality @1.5.1    3 weeks ago

Moreover, Powell just played herself (too cute by half) when we probe deeper. Isn't this an admission of failing to keep proper ethics as a lawyer?

If so, I am so sick of this bull patty. Had she 'crocodile' cried her way into getting her way - which she moistened her eyes on cable tv to do before cameras, we would have Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, and what other states all having bought her public deception.

Isn't that foolish woman outrageously guilty of something? What does it take to hold the guilty accountable these days?

 
 
 
CB
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1.5.4  CB   replied to  Split Personality @1.5.1    3 weeks ago
Lindell, who admits his previous chemical addictions

"Chemical addiction" did not cause Lindell to be a responsible businessman. It was a prior hang-up of Lindell's. This bull patty support of Donald Trump is a problem of his mind and spirit.

(Past) Addiction can't be blamed for what Lindell is currently doing. He should be sued for defamation and I am glad that responsible outlet distributors acted to correct his "deficiency" within their markets.

Peace, SP.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.5.5  Split Personality  replied to  CB @1.5.4    3 weeks ago

I thought it was a polite way of saying he was obvious brain damaged.  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

His chemical addictions were severe and over many years.

 I think he would use that in court too.

Peace CB

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.5.6  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  CB @1.5.2    3 weeks ago

But while we are deciding what to do about people like Liddell and Powell, states are crafting anti-voter legislation based upon  "the big lie" they keep promulgating..

Personally..... I think republicans/conservatives are just looking for excuses to disenfranchise voters of all colors.  They sure as hell can't win on ideas they don't have.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.5.7  CB   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.5.6    3 weeks ago

Haven't we gotten enough of this drain on our mind-power already? Liberals keep diversifying the vote and conservatives keep up the alternative (that word again) limiting the vote!

This is not humorous. It is taxing. Repeating the 'zig-zag' processes we go! I call 'FOUL'

I call for a national boycott! If this nation can not get its COLLECTIVE SHIT TOGETHER then we should all take some time off the world stage and just stay home!

This nation has 'PLAYED' itself enough already. Time to put down childish bull patty and get back to living together for real this time.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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1.5.8  bbl-1  replied to  Split Personality @1.5.1    3 weeks ago

Yeah, the lawyer, sure.  Why not?

Lindell?  He is a faux christian and on that assumption alone I'm inclined to believe he was lying about that too.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.5.9  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  bbl-1 @1.5.8    3 weeks ago

I'm inclined to believe he was lying about that too.

Anything to make a sale...!

 
 
 
Kavika
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2  Kavika     3 weeks ago

$1 billion dollar lawsuits tend to get even the attention of the liars and other fools supporting the BS conspiracy theories.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Kavika @2    3 weeks ago

all of a sudden, it matters that people are purposely LYING...what have we become as a nation, when Law suites are required to attempt to keep blatant LIES from spreading...?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.1  CB   replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.1    3 weeks ago

My friend, "we" have done nothing. It is the purveyors of 24/7 cable news propaganda "porn" who are inserting themselves into every hole in our governmental systems that are driving essentially push-back by compelling legitimacy to take the cable "whores" money (reason to do it) away from them.

Nothing cable news whores understand better than loss of time and capital.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2  Ender  replied to  Kavika @2    3 weeks ago

Yet they will still use the lies to pass bill after bill trying to restrict voting.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.2.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Ender @2.2    3 weeks ago

Exactly....... It's a self induced feeding frenzy all based upon "The Big Lie".

What is even more frustrating is that good chunk of republicans/conservatives are even taking crap generated by outlets like Russia Today, and using it to support their positions.  In other words, they don't care where the propaganda comes from, as long as it supports a position that keeps them in office.... they are okay with it....!  How un-American can you get?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.2.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.1    3 weeks ago
How un-American can you get?

Trump un American

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.3  Ender  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.1    3 weeks ago

My idiot senator was even caught on a hot mic saying that she would love to make it harder for some people to vote.

She even had the nerve to complain about people voting on a Sunday when that should be 'God's day'. Even though she was out campaigning and holding stops and rallies on Sundays.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.2.4  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

There was a time when people like Ron Johnson, Ted Cruz, and Josh Hawley would have been laughed out of contention for a position in congress.  From what I can tell of what's going on in the GOP....these clowns are main-stream now.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.5  Ender  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.4    3 weeks ago

Butt...Butt...Biden had a gaff.....

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.2.6  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Ender @2.2.3    3 weeks ago

I've got a project going on down in Durant, Ms.   You anywhere near there?

 
 
 
Ender
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2.2.7  Ender  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.6    3 weeks ago

No, that is north of Jackson. I am on the coast.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.2.8  igknorantzrulz  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.4    3 weeks ago
..these clowns are main-stream now.

 like spawning mutated Salmon that bear no resemblance to the ones formerly consumed. Man, our country is now the country for Old Men, as in Old White Men who've found alternate realities , gerrymandering and psycho pandering along with all the LIES you can getem to buys, wins elections, not an honest solidly educated principled individual that has a vision to improve the lives of their constituents via what is best for OUR NATION, but what is most easily sold to an ignorant mind on vacation looking for no culpability in how attained was their current situation and where if there is another, in any way possible to blame to save them from their owned shame, they wish to partake in this game so as they can continue to fool their own selfish selves, irregardless of the damage to a Nation built upon the sacrifices of so many who DID put Country before party , self, and all that was Dear to they, as our populace be a disgrace we all must face, and this is so damn far to what is the case opted, and obliged it should be said, for so many lost life and limb for so many who currently spit on our fallen and dead, and that is the obscene i unfortunately have witnessed, and it truly is a FAILURE on the part of so many. The GOP SHOULD FAIL, for allowing that Abortion to go full term, and ever even be considered, cause as for what they preach, Trump was the ultimate hypocritical reach. The Dems are not free of sins, but, really it has to begin with those who would appear to wish that R really stood for the PC incorrect term, instead of radicalized raging rabidly ridiculous recluses without a clue as to the reverberated repercussions their irrational oppressive reactionary responses beyond regurgitated ralph now fomenting in the jowls of their mouth, in an acidic revolt based in a ridiculously retrofitted non uniform one size fits all to fail and pail at the goods offered stolen, yet still for sale, while LIED bout, like a huge White Whale of a tale flapping gums chosen by choices fathered by nunz, and then sums, then rigorously reamed out ones blow hole , and snot that one...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.4    3 weeks ago

Sane people don't want to run for office any more

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.2.10  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.9    3 weeks ago

then they should run from office

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.2.11  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.2.8    3 weeks ago

Happy Friday IKG....!

Being from Kansas, I remember the book "What's the matter with Kansas" from 2004.  That book outlined perfectly why people will go out of their way to vote against their own best interests.

The author introduces the "Plen-T-plaint" phenomenon  as "a curious amassing of petty, unrelated beefs with the world.

Its purpose is not really to evaluate the hated liberal culture that surrounds us; the plen-T-plaint is a horizontal rather than a vertical mode of criticism, aiming instead to infuriate us with dozens, hundreds, thousands of stories of the many tiny ways the world around us assaults family values, uses obscenities, disrespects parents, foments revolution, and so on. Plen-T-plaint winds us up. It offers no resolution, simply reminding us that we can never win. The plen-T-plaint is the rhetorical device that makes Bill O'Reilly's TV show a hit...."

It is this plen-T-plaint approach that gets conservatives to latch on to the key wedge issues  of God, Gay-Bashing, Guns and Abortion as if their lives depended on it.  Little if anything gets done on these issues, all the while tax breaks for the wealthy get fast tracked by the republicans they keep electing...

 
 
 
evilgenius
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2.2.12  evilgenius  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.11    3 weeks ago
It is this plen-T-plaint approach that gets conservatives to latch on to the key wedge issues  of God, Gay-Bashing, Guns and Abortion as if their lives depended on it.  Little if anything gets done on these issues, all the while tax breaks for the wealthy get fast tracked by the republicans they keep electing...

This is how the far right talking heads like Hannity operate. He was recently lying about how if liberals continue to not follow the rules conservatives are heading to elect an unabashed fascists. He just keeps pushing a false narrative goading anger and hatred in those who are too stupid to understand the lie.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.2.13  CB   replied to  Ender @2.2    3 weeks ago

How long are we going to let some conservatives SCANDALIZE this country before the world? Can we ACT now for truth sake?!!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     3 weeks ago

I started watching lindale's "documentary" video after about 20 minutes to a half hour I had had enough of his unsubstantiated Bull Shit theories and walked away.

 

 
 
 
bbl-1
PhD Quiet
5  bbl-1    3 weeks ago

All of this is because of The Man Currently Residing In Mar-a-Lago----however I suspect this; That Man, the MAGA thing and much of the conservative 'mouth maw' machinery including those frothing spittle at every opportunity are going to do 'the thud'.  It will happen quickly.  As always it will be 'the money'.  It is always the money.

 
 
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