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A predictable verdict and the appeals that will follow.

  

Category:  News & Politics

By:  vic-eldred  •  5 years ago  •  166 comments

A predictable verdict and the appeals that will follow.
Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill said the court is in recess, "until we hear from the jury." Jury deliberation could take hours, days or weeks. The jury consists of six White people and six people who are Black or multiracial.

The Jury has reached a decision. Three different charges and a boat load of evidence and within a mere 9 hours the jury has arrived at a decision. The film evidence was damning & traumatic. Large crowds have rapidly gathered outside the courthouse. More than 3,000 National Guard soldiers, along with State and local police officers have been put in place to protect whatever it is that officials decide to protect.

The Verdict:

Murder 2 - Guilty   Murder 3 - Guilty  Manslaughter - Guilty  (as expected)






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This may be the strongest case ever for a jury tainted by unfavorably publicity.


The judge in the Chauvin trial stated Monday that inflammatory remarks by Representative Maxine Waters could lead to the trial being “overturned” on appeal. Waters had called for demonstrators to “get more confrontational” and protest in the streets if no guilty verdict was reached in the case.

First of all, at the very time that the city of Minneapolis was giving the defendant the fair trial he is due under the Constitution and a jury was being selected, the City Council, unanimously, chose that very moment to award the family of George Floyd a $27 Million settlement. Right or wrong, that was not the time to do that. 

Second was the vitriol that an elected US official, Maxine Waters spewed amongst a group of protesters, which was not only wrong, but intimidating for all that were involved in the case. Today the ignoramus who was elected president only 3 months ago added to that. Much gasoline has been thrown on the fire.


One or more appeals is now all but certain.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

Fresh off the press.

As predicted.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 years ago

As predicted.

Agreed. He was obviously guilty, so I am not shocked at all that he was found guilty. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @1.1    5 years ago

 The jury and justice system performed better than political critics predicted or behaved themselves as they condoned violent protests and demanded a guilty verdict from afar.

As I predicted.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    5 years ago

He was guilty vic. The End. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.2    5 years ago

If that's all there was, we wouldn't have heard about it 24/7 for almost a year.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    5 years ago

The system works.

Shame it wasn't give time to work without killing people, rioting, destroying business etc...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    5 years ago
Shame it wasn't give time to work without killing people, rioting, destroying business etc...

You're right, the riots were a shame and a sad testament to the lack of any justice or accountability many black Americans have felt for so long. That obvious lack of justice for so long doesn't excuse those who took advantage of the protests to lash out with violence, vandalism and looting, anyone who did so should be held accountable themselves. But I believe this verdict is a loud and clear statement affirming the vast majority of protests last year that were peaceful calls for justice and accountability and exemplifies exactly what the "Black Lives Matter" movement truly embodied, not the warped and twisted narrative many bigots, instigators and anarchist opportunists tried to turn it into.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    5 years ago

Vic, it is interesting , and telling, that you are MUCH more interested in the peripheral aspects of this matter than you are in justice being served. 

But then again what else is new. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    5 years ago
it is interesting , and telling, that you are MUCH more interested in the peripheral aspects of this matter than you are in justice being served. 

Justice being served was NEVER in doubt. The only people who doubted it, think the Justice system is racist.


But then again what else is new. 

Yup, the truth is still the truth.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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4.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    5 years ago
The only people who doubted it, think the Justice system is racist.

yea, NEVER any sign of that, huh Vic.....?

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    5 years ago
The only people who doubted it, think the Justice system is racist.

Nope. It's the people who have seen 'hung juries' and out and out exonerations of officer who have killed unarmed black people ad nauseam that doubted it Vic. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.1.2    5 years ago
It's the people who have seen 'hung juries' and out and out exonerations of officer who have killed unarmed black people ad nauseam that doubted it Vic. 

No Dulay, it is the radical left, who are convinced that the judicial system is racist. Today proved that they are 100% wrong.


Did you hear Nancy Pelosi?

"Earlier Tuesday, Pelosi had spoken at an event with the Congressional Black Caucus on Capitol Hill, where she made her first comments following the verdict.

"Thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice," she said. "For being there to call out to your mom, how heartbreaking was that," Pelosi said during the news conference. "And because of you ... your name will always be synonymous with justice."



Thus George Floyd was a sacrificial lamb used to further a cause. It's really interesting to see these radical progressives use everything for political advantage.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.1.1    5 years ago

Nope. Just look at all the rioting the American people have tolerated for almost a year now. You can't get much more magnanimous than that!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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4.1.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.3    5 years ago

So many of us have been wondering how WASPs felt about systemic racism in America today.  Thanks for sharing.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.5    5 years ago
So many of us have been wondering how WASPs felt about systemic racism in America today.

Now there's an expression I haven't heard in a long time. What the rest of us are wondering about is the independence of juries. Juries must remain insulated from outside pressure. The verdict itself is ok as long as the jury didn't arrive at it through fear.

But you are worried about people who look like Richard Widmark. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.3    5 years ago
No Dulay, it is the radical left, who are convinced that the judicial system is racist.

Again, your incessant use of the term 'radical left' renders it moot.

Secondly, the judicial system is rife with racial bias. 

Today proved that they are 100% wrong.

ONE conviction of ONE officer only 'proves' that justice CAN be rendered. That ONE conviction doesn't 'prove' that the seed change needed in our judicial system will occur. 

Thus George Floyd was a sacrificial lamb used to further a cause.

That is a lie Vic. NO ONE 'deliberately sacrificed' George Floyd. 

It's really interesting to see these radical progressives use everything for political advantage.

Well gee Vic, since you quoted Pelosi one would think that you'd recognize that the ONLY 'advantage' that she cited was JUSTICE. 

It's really interesting that YOU label JUSTICE as 'radically progressive'. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.1.7    5 years ago
gain, your incessant use of the term 'radical left' renders it moot.

It does not exist? Those policies that Biden the puppet has put forward: open borders, relief specifically for non-white farmers, killing the Keystone Pipeline, etc aren't radical?  Radical by any standard - except of course by many of our lefty contributors.

Secondly, the judicial system is rife with racial bias. 

PROVE IT!


ONE conviction of ONE officer only 'proves' that justice CAN be rendered. 

That sounds fairly radical.


That is a lie Vic. NO ONE 'deliberately sacrificed' George Floyd. 

Take it up with Nancy Pelosi. She is the one who thanked him for sacrificing his life.


It's really interesting that YOU label JUSTICE as 'radically progressive'.

When progressives cite justice, they mean symbolic retribution.  It is interesting that YOU can't understand it.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    5 years ago
It does not exist?

Whoosh, right over your head. 

PROVE IT!

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That sounds fairly radical.

Sadly, in America, conviction of a LEO for murder IS radical. 

Take it up with Nancy Pelosi. She is the one who thanked him for sacrificing his life.

I took it up with YOU because YOU are the one who claimed: Thus George Floyd was a sacrificial lamb used to further a cause.

When progressives cite justice, they mean symbolic retribution. 

Based on your replies to the progressives on this site, you haven't a clue what progressive 'mean'. 

It is interesting that YOU can't understand it.

I'll leave it to 'our readers' to decide who has a better understanding of the issues Vic. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.1.9    5 years ago

So, as usual you can't prove what you claim.

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Dulay
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4.1.11  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.10    5 years ago
So, as usual you can't prove what you claim.

Buy a mirror Vic. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.1.11    5 years ago

Buy yourself a garden weasel.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.13  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.12    5 years ago

I prefer a stirrup hoe. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @4.1.13    5 years ago

We know about that.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.14    5 years ago

Please list those that you include in the 'we' you pretend to speak for Vic. 

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Dulay
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4.1.16  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.14    5 years ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but I presume that you include yourself as part of the 'we' you pretend to speak for Vic. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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5  Kavika     5 years ago

I said months ago that I hope that Chauvin receives the same treatment/verdict that the Minneapolis PD has handed to people of color for decades. Today was a start. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5    5 years ago

That's the spirit! Punishment should be wide-reaching and never ending. We'll call it the battle cry of the left!

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    5 years ago
That's the spirit! Punishment should be wide-reaching and never ending. We'll call it the battle cry of the left!

Nope, just said that I hope that Chauvin receives the same treatment/verdict that the Minneapolis PD has handed to people of color for generations. Never said anything about wide-reaching and never-ending, but you keep imagining whatever you chose. 

He was found guilty of a crime that he committed. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    5 years ago
just said that I hope that Chauvin receives the same treatment/verdict that the Minneapolis PD has handed to people of color for generations.

We know what you mean.

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    5 years ago
That's the spirit! Punishment should be wide-reaching and never ending. 

Perhaps you can explain HOW treating him THE SAME is 'punishment' Vic? 

We'll call it the battle cry of the left!

"How dare you treat Chauvin the same way POC have been treated thru history."

The battle cry of the right!

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.6  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    5 years ago
We know what you mean.

It's obvious you don't know what I mean but keep trying you may knock over a bag of self-awareness that you misplaced. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.7  bugsy  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    5 years ago
Minneapolis PD has handed to people of color for generations.

Thanks to Joe Biden and his 1994 "predator" crime bill.

Bang up job, Joe...

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.8  Kavika   replied to  bugsy @5.1.7    5 years ago

Another swing and miss, bugsy. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.1.8    5 years ago

He's doing fine. Worry about your own batting average.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.10  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.9    5 years ago

I never worry about nonsense from those that have no clue, Vic.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.20  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @5.1.10    5 years ago

The rest of this thread was removed for off topic and bickering. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6  MrFrost    5 years ago

Chauvin will do great in prison.. /s

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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7  Thrawn 31    5 years ago

There was always going to be appeals, but I highly doubt the convictions are overturned, and certainly not any time remotely soon. Motherfucker better get comfy in prison. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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7.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Thrawn 31 @7    5 years ago
I highly doubt the convictions are overturned, and certainly not any time remotely soon. Motherfucker better get comfy in prison. 

The only way i really see them being overturned , is if any of the jurors say they felt intimidated into making the verdict they did . simply to not have any rioting go on , 3 guilty verdicts instead of one narrow one though makes me think this is a punt to the appeals courts . they can at least say they did as asked , make a judgement .

absent that i doubt it will happen myself .

 now to see what unintended consequenses arise , i can think of a few .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago



AOC claims "No Justice."  Doesn't like the fact that the system worked. 

Translation: Little Miss Spaceshot wants her "revolution."

 
 
 
Sunshine
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9.1  Sunshine  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    5 years ago

Her followers eat that shit up.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sunshine @9.1    5 years ago

With both hands and they savor every bit!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.1    5 years ago

One of the worst ideas we ever had was giving BA degrees to morons!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago



Two liars tell the big one - "systemic racism."

A national disgrace.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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10.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @10    5 years ago

You will find the national disgrace cheating at golf as usual.

 
 

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