Pentagon: Ten civilians, no terrorists killed by US drone strike in Kabul

  

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Via:  expatingb  •  one month ago  •  65 comments

By:   Tom Vanden Brook (MSN)

Pentagon: Ten civilians, no terrorists killed by US drone strike in Kabul
The strike occurred on Aug 29 near the airport during the final, chaotic days of the US evacuation of civilians and military retreat from Afghanistan.

Way to go Biden.  

You get Americans killed and then kill INNOCENT people.

How many Americans did you leave behind Joe?   How many allies were left behind Joe?

How many Afghans that helped us in Afghanistan and are being hunted and killed did you leave behind Joe?


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WASHINGTON - Ten civilians, including up to seven children, and no terrorists were killed in Kabul by a drone strike that the Pentagon had hailed initially as "righteous," the Pentagon announced Friday.

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"Our investigation now concludes the strike was a tragic mistake," Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, chief of U.S. Central Command, said Friday.

The strike occurred on Aug. 29 near the airport during the final, chaotic days of the U.S. evacuation of civilians and military retreat from Afghanistan. The military claimed at the time that the strike prevented "multiple suicide bombers" from attacking Hamid Karzai International Airport. The statement from U.S. Central Command said the attack had targeted "an imminent ISIS-K threat" and that explosives were being loaded into the vehicle when the Hellfire missile struck it.

© Khwaja Tawfiq Sediqi, AP Afghans inspect damage after a U.S. drone strike in Kabul, Sunday, Aug. 29, 2021 in the final days of the withdrawal from Afghanistan. The Pentagon had said the drone strike hit an Islamic State target. But this week, Secretary of State Antony Blinken acknowledged on Capitol Hill he did not know if the man targeted in the strike was an IS operative or an aid worker and said the matter was under review.

Soon after reports surfaced that several members of a family had been killed in the attack. The Pentagon, too, acknowledged the possibility of civilian casualties.

However, Army Gen. Mark Milley told reporters Sept. 1 that intelligence showed ISIS-K was preparing a vehicle for a suicide attack, criteria for launching an attack were met and that an explosion after the attack had led to the "reasonable conclusion" that explosives were in the vehicle.

Milley stated "that at least one of those people that were killed was an ISIS facilitator." Initial indications showed the proper procedures were followed, he said, and it was a "righteous strike."

The New York Times and other news media have posted stories that called into question the Pentagon's account, finding that the driver of the vehicle may have been an aid worker. The Associated Press identified the man as Zemerai Ahmadi, who was killed along with seven children and two adults after the Hellfire missile incinerated his care.

At the time, the Pentagon was on high alert, fearing a repeat of the horrific attack by an ISIS-K suicide bomber that killed dozens of people, including 13 U.S. service members, at the Abbey Gate of Hamid Karzai International Airport on Aug. 26. Terrorists from ISIS-K, the brutal offshoot of the Islamic State, that operates in Afghanistan had been targeted just days before in a separate drone strike.

Killing civilians by drone underlines one of the key limitations of the strategy advocated by the Biden administration after its withdrawal from Afghanistan. White House and Pentagon officials have touted "over-the-horizon" counter-terrorism options for attacking targets in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Drones, flown from bases in the Middle East, are one such capability. However, without U.S. troops and intelligence operatives on the ground to identify terrorists, the military has to rely more on intercepted communications and video feeds that can lead to mistaken identity.

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exexpatnowinTX
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1  seeder  exexpatnowinTX    one month ago

Biden lies and people die.   

There is no other way to describe it except Biden has BLOOD on HIS HANDS.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1  Split Personality  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @1    one month ago

Like Trump,Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter Ford, Nixon et.al.?

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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1.1.1  seeder  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Split Personality @1.1    one month ago
Like Trump,Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter Ford, Nixon et.al.?

Unlike those people,.BIDEN and his people intentionally targeted these people.  Of course with no intelligence apparatus on the ground, what can one expect?   do they now target anything that moves?

 
 
 
gooseisback
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1.1.2  gooseisback  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @1.1.1    one month ago
Of course with no intelligence apparatus on the ground, what can one expect? 

Hey wait..........they had the Taliban.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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1.1.3  seeder  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  gooseisback @1.1.2    one month ago
Hey wait..........they had the Taliban.

My bad.  Those "professional and businesslike" people.  How could I forget?

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.1.4  squiggy  replied to  gooseisback @1.1.2    one month ago

That’s Tollybonn, to you.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @1.1.1    one month ago
Unlike those people,.BIDEN and his people intentionally targeted these people.

Hyper partisan BS [Deleted]

I thought all drone strikes were intentional and Trump Obama and Bush didn't care how many civilians they killed

with their toys?

Welcome to reality.

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.1.6  squiggy  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.5    one month ago

Welcome to Whataboutsville.

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.1.7  squiggy  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.5    one month ago

”Yeah butt, butt, lies, damned lies and statistics, lol.“

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  squiggy @1.1.7    one month ago
"Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends, step inside, step inside,"

lol

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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1.1.9  seeder  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.5    one month ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
gooseisback
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1.1.10  gooseisback  replied to  squiggy @1.1.4    one month ago
That’s Tollybonn, to you.

Oh Jesus...how could I have forgotten that.....Tollybonn.!

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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1.1.11  JaneDoe  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @1.1.1    one month ago

It was all done in haste to make it look like they hit isis-k members in retaliation for our 13 service members who never made it home alive. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @1.1    one month ago

Where are those who told us to wait until the facts came in?

The facts are in and now we hear everybody fucked up.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @1.1.1    one month ago

Where did they get the info?  Was it from their new "patners" - the Taliban?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  JaneDoe @1.1.11    one month ago

AHHHHH! You nailed it!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @1.1.9    one month ago

A, I am surprised at your response, doesn't every Admin have some military horror debacle?  It just should not be a political football whether it's 13 of ours this year ( all recovered) or ten more innocent civilians anywhere in the ME.

B, never respond to a comment you flagged, it's just bad form.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.16  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.12    one month ago

Agreed.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.20  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.5    one month ago

The Pentagon had maintained that at least one ISIS-K facilitator and three civilians were killed in what Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Mark Milley had previously called a "righteous strike" on the compound on August 29. The investigation released Friday found that all of those killed in the residential compound were civilians

In the lead up to the strike, drone operators surveilled the courtyard for up to 4 to 5 minutes. In that time, a male driver left the vehicle. One child was parking the vehicle and other children were present in the car and the courtyard -- as CNN had been told by the Ahmadi family.
The military based the strike on a reasonable certainty standard to launch the strike on the vehicle. Tragically, it was the wrong vehicle, a US military official familiar with the investigation told CNN earlier Friday, adding that reasonable certainty is not 100% certainty.
"We didn't take the strike because we thought we were wrong -- we took the strike because we thought we had a good target," McKenzie said. While he acknowledged that the strike "was a terrible mistake," he said he would "not qualify the entire operation" as a failure.
Asked by a reporter to explain how the "complete and utter failure" could have occurred, McKenzie said, "While I agree that this strike certainly did not come up to our standards and I profoundly regret it, I would not qualify the entire operation in those terms."
Milley should be court-martialed - absolutely pathetic "military" leader - 
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Split Personality
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1.1.21  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.20    one month ago

800

Did Generals Shelton, Myers or Pace resign in disgrace?

Were they subject to court martial because of their drone strikes?

Call it whataboutism

or call it partisan BS.

It doesn't matter to the dead...just old men on the internet.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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1.1.22  Kathleen  replied to  JaneDoe @1.1.11    one month ago

Exactly.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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1.1.23  dennis smith  replied to  Split Personality @1.1    one month ago

The failed withdrawal was on Sleepy Joe.  

 
 
 
dennis smith
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1.1.24  dennis smith  replied to  JaneDoe @1.1.11    one month ago

Spot on, this is all on Joey

 
 
 
dennis smith
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1.1.25  dennis smith  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.20    one month ago

Biden has less of a backbone than an earthworm and will not hold anyone accountable instead will trying in vain to blame Trump.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.26  Split Personality  replied to  dennis smith @1.1.23    one month ago

As with all withdrawals, something was bound to happen.

Truthfully, there are more training accidents every year that claim more lives.

When 8 Marines and a USN Corpsman drowned off San Diego last year were you here

stating that the POTUS had blood on his hands?

Off course not, because you know better.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.27  Split Personality  replied to  dennis smith @1.1.25    one month ago

Fuck off, sport

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.1.28  Gazoo  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.27    one month ago

“Fuck off, sport”

How the hell is that not a coc violation? 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.29  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.28    one month ago

"F*ck y**" directed to a member is a CoC violation, "f*ck off" is not.  Don't ask me why.  If I were to guess, I'd say it's because F/O is telling you in strong terms to go away whereas F/Y is really a personal insult.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.30  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.16    one month ago
Agreed.

There are just two little problems.

1) They were the ones who bragged about this drone strike, and they did so in a desperate effort to spin political attention away from their failures in Afghanistan.  If they hadn’t made such a big deal of the strike, they wouldn’t be getting so much criticism now.

2) Mistakes happen, but it’s hard to imagine any other group of Americans who could make so many huge mistakes and keep their jobs. Austin, Milley and McKenzie must go.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.31  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.26    one month ago

Training accidents aren't done on purpose based on intelligence they refuse to divulge the source of.

This was done on purpose with forethought and malice. 

Haven't heard any general ever brag about a training accident. According to Milley this was a "Righteous strike". 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.32  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.21    one month ago

Just Bush? Why don't you do Obama? Obama made Bush look like a piker when it came to drone strikes and collateral deaths. Of course Obama changed the way the casualties were counted to make himself look better.

Less than two weeks ago, the United States conducted a drone strike over central Yemen, killing one al-Qaeda operative. The strike was the last under Obama (that we know of). The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians. As he reportedly told  senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”

A more in depth look- and one that doesn't use Obama's skewed numbers.

But Obama did kill four US citizens in drone strikes. That is something Bush Jr never managed to do.

Yet not a peep out of the left from those that bashed Bush Jr for the same damn thing.

Tell us all Split, do you really think that people are calling for their resignation over a drone strike that killed the wrong target? Or is it over the entire botched withdrawal and evacuation? Is it because US civilians were abandoned in Afghanistan due to their vast stupidity? Is this "mistake" just the latest piece of stupid incompetence in a long line of them?

All of this deflection and BS aside. Where did the Biden Administration get this wonderful intelligence used for the drone strike? We don't have assets in the area any longer. If it came from Biden's newest bestest buddies the Taliban would that make a difference? 

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.1.33  Gazoo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.29    one month ago

Hmm, i’m with ya, Buzz. Seems like a violation to me too. Oh well, might come in handy a time or two.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.1.34  Gazoo  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.31    one month ago

Don’t ya just love how callous some totally partisan pieces of shit are when it’s their side getting criticized? “Well, they should just get a higher paying job.” “They can build rail cars instead of a pipeline.” “Something was bound to happen.” Etc. and then they call others out for being partisan, lol. They can fuck off.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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1.1.35  Kathleen  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.33    one month ago

Hmmmmmm, I may be using it now since it’s allowed. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.36  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.32    one month ago
Just Bush? Why don't you do Obama?

Bush denied it.  Obama owned it quite publicly for 8 years. Trump ended the reporting but kept on droning.

But Obama did kill four US citizens in drone strikes. That is something Bush Jr never managed to do.

According to the Politifact article you posted

The New York Times said another U.S. citizen, Kamal Derwish, had been killed by a drone strike in Yemen on Nov. 3, 2002, when George W. Bush was president. Derwish was a recruiter who put together an al-Qaeda sleeper cell in Lackawanna, N.Y., according to an Oct. 12, 2003, New York Times news story . The U.S. said he was not the intended target and did not acknowledge killing him, but a Yemeni official identified him as one of six men who died in the attack, the story said.

Is that all it takes?  Don't acknowledge it, pretend Bush didn't have it happen on his watch?

Yet not a peep out of the left from those that bashed Bush Jr for the same damn thing.

None of us here or there at the time are responsible for you lapse in memory.

I on the other hand remember it quite well.

It was ugly on both sides, no one wanted to support Obama and no one felt sorry for Al-Alwlaki. 

Just purists outraged that "an American" had been killed. 

We don't have assets in the area any longer.

We don't know what we don't know. It was a bad call. Period. 

I believe in the near future, maybe three election cycles,

the Dunkirk like evacuation will be lauded for how much material

and people were moved in 2 months with no loss of aircraft. 

Like Reagan's and Clinton's SNAFUs the current Biden poutrage will fade away too,

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.37  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.30    one month ago

Who was fired when your hero Reagan fucked up in Beirut and later Libya?

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.1.38  GregTx  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.36    one month ago

He owned it? That's a unique way of looking at it I guess. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.39  Split Personality  replied to  GregTx @1.1.38    one month ago

2012?

The first link provided by Ronin...from 2017

Throughout his presidency, I have written often about Obama’s leTrumpgacy as a drone president , including reports on how the United States could reform drone strike policies , what were the benefits of transferring CIA drone strikes to the Pentagon, and (with Sarah Kreps) how to limit armed drone proliferation . President Obama deserves credit for even acknowledging the existence of the targeted killing program (something his predecessor did not do), and for increasing transparency into the internal processes that purportedly guided the authorization of drone strikes. However, many needed reforms were left undone—in large part because there was zero pressure from congressional members, who, with few exceptions, were the biggest cheerleaders of drone strikes. Obama’s Final Drone Strike Data | Council on Foreign Relations (cfr.org)

He must have evolved, even admitted targeting Al Awlaki etc.

Trump went back to allowing the CIA to drone in secret

CIA No Longer Has to Report Drone Strike Deaths as Trump Reverses Obama Policy (news18.com)

Apparently Biden went back to transparency and it bit him in the arse.

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.1.40  GregTx  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.39    one month ago
2012?

Yes, if you couldn't tell that was in response to you saying that he owned it for 8 years. Evolved? 

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.1.41  squiggy  replied to  Gazoo @1.1.28    one month ago

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Split Personality
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1.1.42  Split Personality  replied to  GregTx @1.1.40    one month ago

I sit corrected....

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2  Ronin2    one month ago
How many Afghans that helped us in Afghanistan and are being hunted and killed did you leave behind Joe?

That is if Joe doesn't kill them first it seems.

So does Biden still intend to make ISIS-K pay? Or is he going to call it good after killing an aid worker; and doing the Taliban's job for them?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Ronin2 @2    one month ago
That is if Joe doesn't kill them first it seems.

That’s the beauty of it. If you just explode them, they aren’t really left behind.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Tacos! @2.1    one month ago

Imagine the impeachment calls if Trump was still in charge. Hell the Democrats would have already impeached him for the withdrawal; they would follow it up by impeaching him again for this blunder.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.1    one month ago
Imagine the impeachment calls if Trump was still in charge.

The Trump administration would never have admitted to it and would have continued to claim all who were killed were terrorists. Do you really believe no Afghan civilians were killed from 2016 to 2020?

" The United States military in 2017 relaxed its rules of engagement for airstrikes in Afghanistan, which resulted in a massive increase in civilian casualties. From the last year of the Obama administration to the last full year of recorded data during the Trump administration, the number of civilians killed by U.S.-led airstrikes in Afghanistan increased by  330 percent ."

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.2    one month ago

You mean like the Biden administration lied about this drone strike? It wasn't until the US media called them out on it that they changed their tune. No call out and this would have never been brought to light by this administration.

Don't act like the media wouldn't be all over Trump; especially after a blunder of the proportions of the Afghan withdrawal and evacuation. Hell, it would be just Fox news harping on Afghanistan. Every last network would have a "America held hostage clock"; and have up to the second reports of how many people the Taliban were killing- complete with graphic video if it was available. There would be calls for every last member of the Trump Administration to resign. Oh, and the Democrats would have impeached Trump twice more already. Don't even pretend they wouldn't.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.1    one month ago

Oh you know it. Lighting one’s self on fire would be a more restrained reaction than what we would see if Trump were president.

Even though I am glad the DoD finally took responsibility, the whole situation is still suspect. When was the last time it took us three weeks to verify the dead in a drone strike?

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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3  JaneDoe    one month ago

Unbelievable!

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    one month ago

Ya suppose anyone will care? News media? Congress? I won’t hold my breath.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1  Ronin2  replied to  Tacos! @4    one month ago

The Biden Administration?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

Has anyone watched the movie "Casualties of War", which is about a TRUE STORY?  When a nation wants to be the Policeman of the World, shit is going to happen.

  R-C.5570592d2bb5147fcb1da9e8c29e7e4d?rik=EoAFZqoYk6dGqQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.thepaincomics.com%2fAmerica+World%27s+Policeman.jpg&ehk=dgqWbvV4gQcaB2%2fcKgMYxq9ynII%2bx67ZH8UTY%2bpGqD0%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

 
 
 
Kathleen
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6  Kathleen    one month ago

They don’t care... They act like it was a little mistake.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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6.1  dennis smith  replied to  Kathleen @6    one month ago

Once again our intelligence community failed. Military intelligence has turned into an oxymoron under Biden and those who report to him. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  dennis smith @6.1    one month ago

If someone cared enough to do the inquiry the intelligence may have come from our new bestest buddies the Taliban.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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6.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Kathleen @6    one month ago
They don’t care... They act like it was a little mistake.

" From the last year of the Obama administration to the last full year of recorded data during the Trump administration, the number of civilians killed by U.S.-led airstrikes in Afghanistan increased by    330 percent "

Conservative Republicans apparently only get righteously indignant about civilian deaths when they're out of power. Right wing conservative hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2    one month ago

Neither left wing hypocrisy it seems. Because the left never made a peep about any of Obama's drone strikes. Not a damn one. Obama even killed 4 US citizens in extra judicial drone strikes and the left was silent.

"But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!" the pathetic battle cry from those on the left that refuse to make the human fuck up machine they put in office accountable for anything.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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6.2.2  Kathleen  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2    one month ago

Little children died in this, don’t you care? Instead I hear comparisons of other administrations. 

Very sad indeed.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.2.3  devangelical  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.2    one month ago

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Kathleen
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6.2.4  Kathleen  replied to  devangelical @6.2.3    one month ago

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Kathleen
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6.2.5  Kathleen  replied to  Ronin2 @6.2.1    one month ago

They have been holding his hand through all this. I believe the news ( not Fox) called it an “embarrassment”, I would call it a tragedy. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
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6.2.6  Gazoo  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.4    one month ago

I agree 110%!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7  Greg Jones    one month ago

And then there are all the kids dying at the border...thanks to Biden

 
 
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