A House Divided

  

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By:  vic-eldred  •  2 weeks ago  •  24 comments

A House Divided
“We’re obviously at a precarious and important time in these discussions,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said. “Members of Congress are not wallflowers. They have a range of viewpoints. We listen, we engage, we negotiate.”

Pelosi has vowed to hold the "infrastructure bill" vote today (Thursday Sep 30), having already delayed it once, but as she told George Stephanopolous Sunday, she does not take votes if she doesn't have the required votes to pass a bill. Today she will have to see how many democrats are willing to put their careers on the line for an infrastucture bill that is now at the center of a war of words between democrats. The Speaker has stuck to her plan to bring the infrastructure bill up for a vote today, saying she was taking it “one hour at a time.”  The split between "moderates" and progressives in the democratic party has Pelosi going back and forth like a Tennis ball. Pelosi had tied the two bills together, then reversed course earlier this week and said that the infrastructure bill would come to the floor Thursday independent of the status of the other legislation. She changed tack again Wednesday, appearing to condition consideration of the infrastructure bill on an agreement on "the social-policy and climate effort."  AOC and other hard leftists have put her in this position.

The possibility of the bipartisan bill (the one democrats can easily have) not passing or even being voted on today has some moderate democrats concerned. 

“If the vote were to fail tomorrow or be delayed there would be a significant breach in trust that would slow the momentum in moving forward in delivering the Biden agenda,” said Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D., Fla.), a co-chairwoman of the centrist Blue Dog Coalition.

On the other hand, AOC has vowed to blow the whole thing up if the bipartisan bill is not connected to the massive spending bill. Sen Sinema wants the bipartisan bill voted on. Also tied up in this are federal transportation programs. Failing to pass the infrastructure bill, which reauthorizes the federal transportation programs, before Friday at 12:01 a.m. would put several thousand federal employees on furlough, according to the Transportation Department. Interesting, isn't it?


Let's face it, it took a lot of audacity to try and pass a massive far left spending package that will cost over $5.5 Trillion with the two bills. It was crazy, but then again, democrats do tend to try and get away with anything they can. If Pelosi is forced to back down again today, the Republic shall live for another day.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

The House approved a suspension of the debt limit on Wednesday in a 219-212 vote, with two Democrats opposing it and one Republican voting in favor.  According to Chuck Schumer over in the Senate, they may have overcome that hurdle.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2  Snuffy    2 weeks ago

When Pelosi says they need to have a legislative framework for the $3.5 trillion bill, what exactly does that mean?  Does that mean there is a legislative agreement on what they will spend?  As I understand, they are still working thru various committees to develop portions of that bill and nothing has been run thru the CBO yet so they don't have a good number on the final costs.  Not sure what they are waiting on.  But that was one piece I heard Pelosi say (in a sound bite after she came out of a WH meeting yesterday) was that they needed an agreement on the legislative framework for the reconciliation bill in order to bring the bipartisan bill to the floor.

While I don't like every piece of the bipartisan infrastructure bill, there are a lot of pieces that would be good for the country. We have roads and bridges so in need of repair that it's nuts not to pass it, this has been kicked down the road too many times. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Snuffy @2    2 weeks ago

If the bipartisan bill were just for normal infrastructure I would be for it. It still contains way too much pork and pet politician projects.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1    2 weeks ago

Infrastructure is not social spending and it is extremely egregious and outrageous that Dems are trying to make it so.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @2    2 weeks ago

And it's the bird in hand for democrats, if they could just settle on taking it and walking away.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    2 weeks ago

Joe Manchin continues to inject some sanity into  the mess.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Greg Jones @3    2 weeks ago

Lets hope it's not just a smoke screen/extortion to acquire more pork for his state.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @3    2 weeks ago

He's not alone!

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Nerm_L
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4  Nerm_L    2 weeks ago

If the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill ever comes to the floor for a vote, Republicans backing the bill and pushing it across the line would kill the $3.5 trillion wish-list legislation.  Pelosi is trying to pass the infrastructure bill with only Democrats.  Pelosi is trying to set up Republicans to take the blame for the failure of Biden's agenda.

Of course Republicans will gladly comply with what Democrats want.  Republicans always let Democrats off the hook.  Expect Republicans to stonewall the infrastructure bill and win the chump award again.  That's what Republicans have done since Newt Gingrich was Speaker.  Trump ain't the first clown that Republicans put in charge.  Trump ain't the first clown Republicans were afraid of.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @4    2 weeks ago

Maybe today, AOC will beat Republicans to it. She has threatened to vote NO.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    2 weeks ago
Maybe today, AOC will beat Republicans to it. She has threatened to vote NO.

You know, Republicans could campaign in 2022 as THE bipartisan party and win over independents.  Republicans could push the infrastructure bill over the line in a bipartisan manner and let Democrats stew in their own juices.  Republicans could vote for the infrastructure bill because they care about America First more than they care about politics.  Republicans could be pressuring Pelosi to bring the infrastructure bill to the floor and have a heyday in the press.  Republicans could show the country that Pelosi has the votes to pass the infrastructure bill but Pelosi would rather lie to the American people to protect the Democratic Party.

Newt Gingrich was AOC before AOC was born.  Gingrich turned Republicans into two-gun Pete jumpin' for the saddle.  Republicans have to screw up everything every time.  Republicans don't know how to do anything else. 

Republicans have been handed an opportunity to turn 2022 into a landslide.  But no, no, no, no, no ...   Republicans need to learn that there are more independent voters and more suburban voters than there are Republicans.  Joe Manchin has bigger balls than the entire Republican caucus.  Manchin knows how to win elections; Republicans just hope to be the other white meat. 

Republicans should want the infrastructure bill to pass.  Republicans should be demanding a vote on the infrastructure bill and push it over the line.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
You know, Republicans could campaign in 2022 as THE bipartisan party and win over independents.  Republicans could push the infrastructure bill over the line in a bipartisan manner and let Democrats stew in their own juices.  Republicans could be pressuring Pelosi to bring the infrastructure bill to the floor and have a heyday in the press.  Republicans could show the country that Pelosi has the votes to pass the infrastructure bill but would rather lie to the American people to protect the Democratic Party.

They already gave her a bipartisan infrastructur bill. The left is not satisfied with that. What a feather in the cap for Biden & Pelosi if they were able to take what they were given and walk away!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    2 weeks ago
They already gave her a bipartisan infrastructur bill. The left is not satisfied with that. What a feather in the cap for Biden & Pelosi if they were able to take what they were given and walk away!

So, why aren't Republicans demanding the bill be brought to the floor for a vote?  Why are Republicans playing Nancy Pelosi's game on her playing field?

Republicans need to grow a backbone and fight for America.  We know the infrastructure bill is needed because it's a bipartisan bill.  Given enough time Democrats will find some way to cheat both bills over the line and take credit for the whole shebang.  No one is going to pay attention to Republicans' bipartisan support for infrastructure.  The only thing Republicans will get is a participation award.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.3    2 weeks ago
So, why aren't Republicans demanding the bill be brought to the floor for a vote?

I think Joe Manchin just answered that. A reporter just asked him "What if the bipartisan bill goes down today?"  Manchin answered "I already voted for that - that will be on House democrats!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.3    2 weeks ago
So, why aren't Republicans demanding the bill be brought to the floor for a vote?  Why are Republicans playing Nancy Pelosi's game on her playing field?

Nancy sets the agenda for legislation.

IMO, the GOP should stand back and let the Democrat continue their intense infighting.

Let America see what ineptness they elected to the majority, point out how the midterms can change all of that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.5    2 weeks ago
Let America see what ineptness they elected to the majority

Who did elect them?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.7  Nerm_L  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.5    2 weeks ago
Nancy sets the agenda for legislation.

IMO, the GOP should stand back and let the Democrat continue their intense infighting.

Let America see what ineptness they elected to the majority, point out how the midterms can change all of that.

And Pelosi is gaming the agenda to freeze out Republicans.

Democrats have tied the infrastructure bill to their blue-sky mega-bill.  What happens if Republicans separate the two?  What happens if Republicans tie funding the government and raising the debt limit to an up-or-down vote on the infrastructure bill in the House?  What happens if House Republicans vote for the infrastructure bill and House Democrats vote against the infrastructure bill?

What happens to Democrats' leverage to push Biden's unplanned agenda through on reconciliation?  Will Democrat Senators be more willing or less willing to stake their incumbency on blue-sky budget busting to support a one-term President?  Right now Democrats are using the infrastructure bill as leverage but they're also using it to provide political cover.  Democrats will eventually find some way to cheat their bill through - and - since it's tied to the infrastructure bill Democrats will beat up Republicans for voting against what they voted for.  Voters don't give dinkum doo about nuance -- why do you think Trump won?

Republicans could force Democrats to escalate the fight among themselves instead of sitting on the sidelines and hoping a participation award will mean something in the midterms.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5  Buzz of the Orient    2 weeks ago

A house divided?  A NATION DIVIDED, like never before during my lifetime. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5    2 weeks ago

Leader Hoyer is asked whether he’s confident the infrastructure bill will pass today: “nope”

Pelosi says she's confident that today's the day!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

When is Nancy going to have this vote?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    2 weeks ago

Only when she has the votes.

Which may be never.

The timeline has already been changed because she can't get the Democratic votes to pass the bills.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1    2 weeks ago
Which may be never.

A cold day in hell!


The timeline has already been changed because she can't get the Democratic votes to pass the bills.

Moderates with their careers hanging in the balance vs a bunch of spolied stubborn progessives. Good luck with that one Nancy!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Pelosi not backing down from infrastructure bill vote: 'We're on a path to win the vote

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In Poker it's sometimes called a "Play Back. "   Let's see what she's holding?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

"Look, I think that Joe Manchin is a great member of the Senate. We're friends, we're Italian-Americans. You know, we get along. Catholic. We have shared values. I have enormous respect for him."....Nancy Pelosi

I don't know about Manchin, but Italian Americans and Catholics should renounce Pelosi at once!

 
 
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