Independents have turned on Joe Biden

  

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Via:  texan1211  •  2 weeks ago  •  18 comments

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Independents have turned on Joe Biden
Biden won the 2020 election in large part because he was able to win the center... That's why it should be alarming to Biden that the recent downturn in his approval rating has come disproportionately from independents.

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President Joe Biden won the 2020 election in large part because he was able to win the center. He emerged with a 13-point win with independent voters, a group that Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton lost by 4 points in 2016. (House Democratic candidates, for their part, took independents by 9 points in 2020.)

That's why it should be alarming to Biden that the recent downturn in his approval rating has come disproportionately from independents, as the Washington Post's Henry Olsen first pointed out. This slide could have major electoral implications, if it holds.

You can see this trend among independents in polls that meet CNN's standards for reporting. Biden's net approval rating (approve-disapprove) among independents in polls completed in September and October stands at -16 points. Not surprisingly, his net approval rating is significantly higher among Democrats (+79 points) and lower among Republicans (-84 points).

Biden's net approval rating was better among all groups in an average of polls back in June and July. His net approval rating stood at +88 points among Democrats, +3 points with independents and -72 points among Republicans.

The key thing here though is that while the drop among Democrats (9 points) and Republicans (12 points) is evident, it's even larger among independents (19 points).

In some ways Biden's disproportionate decline with independents shouldn't be surprising. If you are less attached to a political party (which independents are as a group), you're more likely to swing.

Additionally, the 2020 results with independents may have been more a reflection of displeasure with then-President Donald Trump than admiration for Biden. A dig into the exit polls reveals that even though Biden beat Trump among independents by 13 points, his own net favorability rating (favorable - unfavorable) was just +6 points with them. Trump's, meanwhile, was -18 points.

Independents have turned on Joe Biden (msn.com)

With Trump out of the picture, Biden's now standing on his own record -- one that a lot of independents seem less than impressed with.

According to an NBC News poll finished in the back half of August, just 32% of independents (including those who say they lean towards the Democratic or Republican party) and 38% of pure independents (those who don't lean) say Biden has accomplished a great or fair deal in office. The vast majority (64% among all independents and 59% among those who don't lean towards a party) say he's done only some to very little in office.

Looking forward, Biden's standing with independents may be helped if two signature pieces of legislation become law.

Independents -- by a 57% to 27% margin -- favor the $1.2 trillion infrastructure deal already passed by the Senate, according to an average of recent Pew Research Center and Quinnipiac University polls.

They're more split (48% support vs. 37% opposed) on the $3.5 trillion package for social programs for child care and expanding medicare among other things. Still, even here support among independents vastly outstrips Biden's own standing with them.

If Biden doesn't do something to change his numbers with independents, it's not out of the question that his party could suffer at the polls.

An examination of history reveals that independents can change their mind pretty quickly on how they vote in-between presidential and midterm elections. We can see this in three of the biggest wave elections in recent memory: 1994, 2010 and 2018.

From 1992 to 1994, independents switched from favoring House Democratic candidates by 8 points to voting for Republicans by 14 points.

From 2008 to 2010, they went from going for Democrats by 8 points to Republicans by 18 points.

From 2016 to 2018, they went the other way from voting for House Republican candidates by 6 points to backing Democrats by 12 points.

The shift in independent voters in all these elections was larger than among members of either major party.

Of course, it's important to keep in mind that Republicans don't need a massive shift in voter opinion to do well in the midterms. Democrats have only the slimmest of majorities in the House and Senate.

Those majorities are very much in danger right now.

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Texan1211    2 weeks ago
That's why it should be alarming to Biden that the recent downturn in his approval rating has come disproportionately from independents, as the Washington Post's Henry Olsen first pointed out. This slide could have major electoral implications, if it holds.

Alarming to the Biden/Harris Administration, good news for America!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @1    2 weeks ago

Good news for America Indeed.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Freshman Silent
2  Right Down the Center    2 weeks ago

Biden won because Independents thought they had a choice between a pompous ass and a moderate that could not do too much damage.  It is no surprise they have turned on Biden when instead of getting a moderate that would not do too much damage they ended up with a puppet being controlled by the far left wing nuts.  The amount of damage he has done in in less than 9 months is unprecedented.  Given the choice between what they ended up with and a pompous ass that actually accomplishes things for the country I think Donald would still be president.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    2 weeks ago

Independents elected Biden, independents will unseat him.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Junior Quiet
2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    2 weeks ago
The amount of damage he has done in in less than 9 months is unprecedented.

I think that's an over-reaction.  

I just don't see that he's done that much.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Freshman Silent
2.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2    2 weeks ago

You are right, as long as you don't count the border, economy recovery, inflation, Afghanistan, covid deaths higher in 2021 than all of 2020 (while he takes credit for the response), letting the socialist's run the party, crime waves in cities and sicking the FBI on parents that don't like what their children are being taught (have I forgotten anything?)he has done fine.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Junior Quiet
2.2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.1    2 weeks ago
You are right, as long as you don't count the border, economy recovery, inflation, Afghanistan, covid deaths higher in 2021 than all of 2020 (while he takes credit for the response), letting the socialist's run the party, crime waves in cities and sicking the FBI on parents that don't like what their children are being taught (have I forgotten anything?)he has done fine.

How much does the border really impact your life?  I live in Texas, and it has precious little impact on mine.  Maybe some of these immigrants can work in restaurants to replace the Americans who won't do it anymore and I won't have to wait an hour for tacos.

The unemployment rate is down and the market is up.  Biden has had nothing to do with that, but he certainly hasn't done "unprecedented damage".  That's just not reality.

Afghanistan was a cluster fuck, I'll grant you.  Definitely.  

I'm not sure it's fair to blame any president for Covid deaths, especially when 95% of the people dying are doing so simply because they're too fuckin' stupid to get vaccinated.  Blaming Biden for covid deaths after he's told everybody to get vaccinated is every bit as stupid as blaming Trump for covid deaths after he told everybody we should close the borders.  If you refuse to listen to somebody, they're not responsible for the shit you bring on yourself.

If the socialists were truly running the party, I think they'd be bitching less about not getting their way.  Liz Warren would Sec of the Treas and you and I would be bartering cigarettes in a gulag by now.

When you make death threats against a public official, like a school board member, the FBI investigates.  As they should.  Pretending these fuckers are simply "parents who don't like what their children are being taught" is like pretending the fuckers taking clubs and shields to a rally are "peaceful protesters". 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

It only took 9 months of insane radical policies and a wide open border!  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

This Just In:

Hunter Biden sells five art prints for $75K each as NYC show pushed back

https:// trib.al/5PQya05


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Remember the people right here who told me "he hasn't sold them yet."

Well, there it is.  Gee, it sucks being right all the time.

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
4.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 weeks ago

Personally I find Hunter's artwork to be competently mediocre which is more than I can say about your comment.

As to the link and the prices, although there is some merit in asking for the buyers to be named, most buyers of art in those price ranges prefer anonymity and understandably so.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1    2 weeks ago
As to the link and the prices, although there is some merit in asking for the buyers to be named, most buyers of art in those price ranges prefer anonymity and understandably so.

A Grand Master right from the start!

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
4.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
A Grand Master right from the start!

As I stated, competently mediocre. Back to the prices, gallery owners know their clientele and what they are willing to pay ... one of those weird aspects of capitalism wherein the buyers like to boast about how much they overpaid.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Sophomore Silent
4.2  Gazoo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 weeks ago

Somebody is buying influence to the white house. The clinton foundation on a smaller scale.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gazoo @4.2    2 weeks ago

SHHH....Some think the people are stupid.  It's all about anonymity 

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
4.2.2  Hallux  replied to  Gazoo @4.2    2 weeks ago
Somebody is buying influence to the white house.

Sort of like staying in a certain DC Hotel?

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
4.2.3  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.1    2 weeks ago
Some think the people are stupid.

We both do.

 
 
 
Sunshine
PhD Guide
4.3  Sunshine  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 weeks ago
Joe Biden Buys All Of Hunter's Artwork In Hopes Of Meeting The President

WASHINGTON D.C.—According to reports, President Joe Biden has purchased the entire collection of Hunter Biden's artwork for $12.6 million. In a discussion with an anonymous source, he said he hopes this gives him the leverage he needs for an audience with the President. 

"I really wanna meet the President—I hear he's a real swell guy," said President Biden as he packed a mural made of multicolored pasta in his trunk.

Joe Biden Buys All Of Hunter's Artwork In Hopes Of Meeting The President | The Babylon Bee
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

"[General Flynn] told us what is really obvious to everyone who watches, an unelected group within Washington effectively runs the country without reference to voters."


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