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Want to Know More About Critical Race Theory? Look at Virginia’s Schools—For More Than 75 Years

  

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Want to Know More About Critical Race Theory? Look at Virginia’s Schools—For More Than 75 Years
In fact, the entire hue and cry against CRT is not about ending division; it is about preserving it. It is not about racial reconciliation; it is about inspiring racial panic, of the kind that swept the South in the 1830s, the 1890s, and the 1950s. That this phony scare is active in states outside the South is a sign of the success the conservative movement has achieved in exporting the religious, political, and racial values of the South to states in the heartland. It is no longer only in...

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Want to Know More About Critical Race Theory? Look at Virginia’s Schools—For More Than 75 Years

by Garrett Epps12-15 minutes 10/25/2021

Republican candidate Glenn Youngkin was raised on official, state-taught racism. I should know. So was I.

October 25, 2021

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Republican gubernatorial candidate Glenn Youngkin gestures during a rally in Glen Allen, Va., Saturday, October 23, 2021. (AP Photo/Steve Helber)

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Virginia Republican gubernatorial candidate Glenn Youngkin has decided that next month’s off-year election is a referendum on something called critical race theory. CRT, he says, is a sinister force working to divide Americans by injecting race issues into education. “To judge one another based on the content of our character, not the color of our skin,” he told a rally in Ashburn, Virginia, last month, “means we’re going to ban critical race theory.”

It is fashionable these days for progressives like myself to sneer at the hue and cry against critical race theory in the schools. But let’s get real: Some textbooks taught to Virginia children have contained virulent antiwhite propaganda.

Consider this passage from a Virginia public school textbook: “From the first recorded landing of Negroes at Jamestown in 1619 until the end of the colonial period, Virginia opposed a mixed population of the two races,” it says. “Above all the Colony was determined to preserve the racial purity of the whites. This determination is the foundation upon which Virginia’s handling of the racial issue rests, and has always rested.”

Can we at least agree that such divisive rhetoric should not be allowed in schools? It can have bad effects. I know, because the passage above, along with a lot of other racist bilge, was taught to me in 1961 in a state-mandated elementary school course in “Virginia History”; the textbook from which that quote comes, A Hornbook of Virginia History, edited by J. R. V. Daniel, was published in 1949 by the Virginia State Library for use in schools.

Youngkin and I are (as we don’t say in the South) “paisan’”—I grew up in Richmond, and he is from Norfolk. He is younger than I, but similar state-sponsored textbooks were used at different grade levels until 1972—the year Youngkin would have entered school—and longer in some places. The bad effects are still being felt—and indeed, some of the rage against CRT comes from people who as children absorbed, from textbooks or teachers, the Commonwealth’s official creed of racism.

The original “crits”—the first to see everything in American history through the lens of race—were southern whites themselves, who were proud to espouse the superiority of the white race and made sure that no schoolbook or teacher was permitted to question it.

Now, let’s listen to Youngkin a bit more. Roger Sollenberger of The Daily Beast recently compiled a few of Youngkin’s remarks on the perfidy of the crit. As he wrote:

“’We’ve got to get critical race theory out of the schools,’ Youngkin told the right-wing talk show host Hugh Hewitt in May, 10 days after clinching the GOP nomination. The following month, Youngkin vowed to the far-right personality Mark Anthony Gigliotti, ‘I’m going to tell you, as governor, we will not teach critical race theory in our schools.’ He has more recently pledged to ‘ban’ CRT from Virginia schools on ‘day one,’ should he win the election next month. In July, he told Hewitt that Virginia was watching ‘this critical race theory move its way into all schools across Virginia.’ And in August, he told Fox News that critical race theory had ‘moved into our school system, and we have to remove it.’”

One Youngkin supporter told The Washington Post that CRT is “just such a focus on race. My children weren’t raised that way. I wasn’t raised that way. We have friends of every religion, creed. They’re well-traveled. They just don’t view the world through that lens. And I think it is so unfortunate, and sad, and so divisive for anybody to put that lens in front of them.”

That brings up two points: First, politicians (and even some newspeople) are using the term critical race theory the way Vizzini in The Princess Bride used the word inconceivable. They seem to think it means something like “Trotskyites,” whose malice Stalinists blamed for every shortcoming of the Five-Year Plan. (For those who want to know what it actually means, Reginald Oh provides a useful introduction here.) It does not even mean “every use of the concept of race in history classes that might make an older white person uncomfortable,” which appears to be what Youngkin means by it. In fact, its use in politics was originated by a right-wing “journalist” looking for a handy weapon to attack any attempts to combat racism in education and the workplace.

In 30 years as a legal academic, I got to know CRT and its proponents well. I have read many papers and attended many academic panels where their views are presented. I found some electrifying and others to be over-the-counter sleep aids. CRT is an academic movement, born in law schools, with all the virtues and limitations that name implies. It has a lot to offer, and it generates some very interesting disagreements among people who take the trouble to learn what it is. What it is not is a disease or a conspiracy hovering behind any teacher or book that suggests that racism is a problem in the 21st century.

The second point is that even if critical race theory were exerting some massive influence on K–12 education in America (it isn’t), and even if critical race theory had as its aim the instilling of shame in white students (it doesn’t), none of its efforts would compare in scope and determination with the systematic and successful 75-year campaign by Virginia and other southern states to control what was taught to students, and what students, Black and white, were allowed to read and think about race and racism. When we consider Virginia parents complaining that they “weren’t raised that way,” this history needs to be considered.

In fact, a rigorous program of ideological conformity has been a part of southern culture since the 1831 Nat Turner rebellion in Virginia. On the excuse of preventing more slave revolts, not only were antebellum schools and universities purged of antislavery teachers and books, the very mails were censored to ensure that no antislavery publications reached Dixie. The historian Clement Eaton christened this process of ideological purification “the intellectual blockade,” and it survived intact at least until Appomattox.

The blockade briefly fell after the Civil War, but, as the historian Fred Arthur Bailey of Abilene Christian University wrote 20 years ago in “Textbooks of the Lost Cause,” the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy, newly energized by the triumph of Jim Crow, began a successful campaign during the 1890s to require the teaching of “state histories” written by neo-Confederates. These textbooks explained that slavery was a benign system, that secession was legal and justified, that the Confederacy’s Lost Cause was noble, and that Confederate leaders were American patriots.

But eternal vigilance is the price of racial conformity. In 1948, a few weeks after President Harry Truman announced a modest federal civil rights program, southern leaders began to worry anew whether schoolchildren were learning the proper attitudes toward race and the South. In Richmond, legislators created the Virginia History and Textbook Commission. That commission was dominated by segregationist politicians—most prominently including state Senator Garland Gray. (Gray, a Southside planter, a few years later would chair another state commission, this one studying Brown v. Board of Education. That “Gray Commission” would recommend a voucher plan under which no white student would be required to attend a school with Black children.)

The Textbook Commission ordered (and extensively edited, rewrote, and censored) its own set of textbooks, whose use was required in schools. These textbooks, only slightly revised in 1964, were only “withdrawn” by the State Board of Education in 1972; even after that, as the William & Mary history professor Carol Sheriff explained in 2012, some school systems defiantly continued their use.

One of the three, Virginia’s History and Geography, explained that the Lost Cause was inspired by state’s rights and pure altruism: “Virginians love the United States and did not want to leave it. But Virginians wanted people in every state to have their rights.” After the war, it said, “Robert E. Lee, because of his greatness, his bravery, and his love for Virginia, would always be a hero.” Another, Virginia: History, Government, Geography, explained that slavery “made it possible for the Negroes to come to America and make contacts with civilized life.” They were lucky to live “far away from the spears and war clubs of enemy tribes” in Africa. Plantation life was “happy and prosperous.” True, there was a teeny, tiny bit of whipping, but “whipping was also the usual method of correcting children,” and anyway, “all slaves were given medical care.”

A third, Cavalier Commonwealth: History and Government of Virginia, explained that Virginia’s slave masters “regarded themselves as benefactors of a backward race,” and “indeed in some respects they obviously were.” Slaves were given “plentiful food . . . warm cabins, leisure and free health care.”

Finally, the book I quoted at the outset, A Hornbook of Virginia History, told students: “The debt the Negro race owes to Virginia and the South has never been less recognized than it is today. Virginia took a backward race of savages, part cannibal, civilized it, developed many of its best qualities.”

Please remember: These textbooks were prepared by a state commission using tax dollars and taught in public schools in courses students were required by law to attend—Black students as well as white. Parents worried about how textbooks will affect white students need to cope with the fact that three generations of Black students were subjected to these books.

The issue is not whether Youngkin read these books as a student; it is that he and I both grew up white and privileged in a society profoundly shaped by this shameful state-imposed racial ideology. Many of my teachers—and undoubtedly many of those who taught Youngkin at his tony prep school, Norfolk Academy—believed implicitly in these myths, spoke of them often, and would not tolerate dissent from them.

In other words, we were “raised that way.” And the moral stature of the Youngkins of the world to invoke Martin Luther King as a way to shut down racial dialogue is, shall we say, slight.

In fact, the entire hue and cry against CRT is not about ending division; it is about preserving it. It is not about racial reconciliation; it is about inspiring racial panic, of the kind that swept the South in the 1830s, the 1890s, and the 1950s. That this phony scare is active in states outside the South is a sign of the success the conservative movement has achieved in exporting the religious, political, and racial values of the South to states in the heartland. It is no longer only in the old Confederacy that questioning of the racial order is seen as next to treason.

Glenn Youngkin is simply the latest in a line of mountebanks willing to stir race hatred and fear to gain power.

He knows how it is done; like me, he learned it in school.

Garrett Epps is legal affairs editor of the Washington Monthly. He has taught constitutional law at American University, the University of Baltimore, Boston College, Duke, and the University of Oregon. He is the author of American Epic: Reading the U.S. Constitution.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago
 let’s get real: Some textbooks taught to Virginia children have contained virulent antiwhite propaganda.

Consider this passage from a Virginia public school textbook: “From the first recorded landing of Negroes at Jamestown in 1619 until the end of the colonial period, Virginia opposed a mixed population of the two races,” it says. “Above all the Colony was determined to preserve the racial purity of the whites. This determination is the foundation upon which Virginia’s handling of the racial issue rests, and has always rested.”

Can we at least agree that such divisive rhetoric should not be allowed in schools? It can have bad effects. I know, because the passage above, along with a lot of other racist bilge, was taught to me in 1961 in a state-mandated elementary school course in “Virginia History”; the textbook from which that quote comes, A Hornbook of Virginia History, edited by J. R. V. Daniel, was published in 1949 by the Virginia State Library for use in schools.

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Virginia’s History and Geography, explained that the Lost Cause was inspired by state’s rights and pure altruism: “Virginians love the United States and did not want to leave it. But Virginians wanted people in every state to have their rights.” After the war, it said, “Robert E. Lee, because of his greatness, his bravery, and his love for Virginia, would always be a hero.” Another, Virginia: History, Government, Geography, explained that slavery “made it possible for the Negroes to come to America and make contacts with civilized life.” They were lucky to live “far away from the spears and war clubs of enemy tribes” in Africa. Plantation life was “happy and prosperous.” True, there was a teeny, tiny bit of whipping, but “whipping was also the usual method of correcting children,” and anyway, “all slaves were given medical care.”

A third, Cavalier Commonwealth: History and Government of Virginia, explained that Virginia’s slave masters “regarded themselves as benefactors of a backward race,” and “indeed in some respects they obviously were.” Slaves were given “plentiful food . . . warm cabins, leisure and free health care.”

Finally, the book I quoted at the outset, A Hornbook of Virginia History, told students: “The debt the Negro race owes to Virginia and the South has never been less recognized than it is today. Virginia took a backward race of savages, part cannibal, civilized it, developed many of its best qualities.”

Please remember: These textbooks were prepared by a state commission using tax dollars and taught in public schools in courses students were required by law to attend—Black students as well as white. Parents worried about how textbooks will affect white students need to cope with the fact that three generations of Black students were subjected to these books.
 
 
 
CB
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1.1  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago
“The debt the Negro race owes to Virginia and the South has never been less recognized than it is today. Virginia took a backward race of savages, part cannibal, civilized it, developed many of its best qualities.”

First, I would like to offer a different perspective: Like diamonds in the rough, it is highly likely that the mixing of peoples from all over the world in varying quantities and degrees has allowed  each groups of humanities "children" to bring out their best qualities through homogenization.

Second, I would like to have explained (to me) who "civilized" Virginians?  And as a follow-up: Who "civilized" this new republican party? You want to rediscover, uncouth, study that group of "savages."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  CB @1.1    3 years ago

CB, not a single right winger came on this article. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.2  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 years ago

Greg_Tx is here (as of my return). The deafening silence speaks volumes to their intent not to make any positive statement/s about CRT!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago

Some, if not many, of the people complaining about the teaching of race in Virginia schools today, are either themselves the products of the racist teaching in Virginia schoolbooks, or the adult children of people who were products of racist teaching in the Virginia school system

Virginia’s History and Geography, explained that the Lost Cause was inspired by state’s rights and pure altruism: “Virginians love the United States and did not want to leave it. But Virginians wanted people in every state to have their rights.” After the war, it said, “Robert E. Lee, because of his greatness, his bravery, and his love for Virginia, would always be a hero.” Another, Virginia: History, Government, Geography, explained that slavery “made it possible for the Negroes to come to America and make contacts with civilized life.” They were lucky to live “far away from the spears and war clubs of enemy tribes” in Africa. Plantation life was “happy and prosperous.” True, there was a teeny, tiny bit of whipping, but “whipping was also the usual method of correcting children,” and anyway, “all slaves were given medical care.”

A third, Cavalier Commonwealth: History and Government of Virginia, explained that Virginia’s slave masters “regarded themselves as benefactors of a backward race,” and “indeed in some respects they obviously were.” Slaves were given “plentiful food . . . warm cabins, leisure and free health care.”

Finally, the book I quoted at the outset, A Hornbook of Virginia History, told students: “The debt the Negro race owes to Virginia and the South has never been less recognized than it is today. Virginia took a backward race of savages, part cannibal, civilized it, developed many of its best qualities.”
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago

Oh, they will say, that was in the 60's and 70's, that is a long time ago. 

THERE ARE PEOPLE COMPLAINING AT THESE SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS ABOUT "CRT" WHO ARE THEMSELVES EITHER PRODUCTS OF RACIST TEACHINGS IN VIRGINIA SCHOOLBOOKS, OR, MORE LIKELY, THE ADULT CHILDREN OF PEOPLE WHO WERE TAUGHT RACIST IDEAS IN VIRGINIA SCHOOLS . 

These ideas are NOT confined to the past by any stretch. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago

guess the conservatives are tongue tied

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 years ago

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“Happy Slaves” Described In 7th Grade Virginia Textbook Used for 20 Yrs.

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2b.jpg?w=116&h=150https://blackhistorycollection.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/2b.jpg?w=232&h=300 232w" sizes="(max-width: 116px) 100vw, 116px" > Published in 1956 and used in Virginia classrooms through the late 1970’s,   Virginia: History, Government, Geography   by Francis B. Simkins and Spotswood H. Jones, and Sidman P. Poole   describes the life of a Virginia slave as “happy”, “cheerful”, and “prosperous.”

“. …The   Negroes learned also to enjoy the work and play of the plantations…Virginia offered a better life for the Negroes than did Africa …”

“A feeling of   strong affection existed between masters and slaves   in a majority of Virginia homes. . . The house servants became almost as much a part of the planter’s family circle as its white members. . . The Negroes were always present at family weddings. They were allowed to look on at dances and other entertainments . . .   A strong tie existed between slave and master   because each was dependent on the other. . . The slave system demanded that the master care for the slave in childhood, in sickness, and in old age.   The regard that master and slaves had for each other made plantation life happy and prosperous.  Life among the Negroes of Virginia in slavery times was generally happy. The Negroes went about in a cheerful manner   making a living for themselves and for those for whom they worked. . . But they were not worried by the furious arguments going on between Northerners and Southerners over what should be done with them. In fact, they paid little attention to these arguments.”

Notice the slave on the ship is wearing a suit and shaking hands as though he is a business partner…

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CB
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4.1.1  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    3 years ago

Delusional, "story-making" about 'beast of burden" who can endure hardship, but are ignorant and "backwards" and wouldn't know liberty/ites or freedoms if it bopped them on their heads. /s

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  CB @4.1.1    3 years ago

Virginia is one of the hotbeds of opposition to "critical race theory"  and the "1619 Project".

Now we see that the state of Virginia, just a couple generations ago, was teaching children that slaves were happy savages who were being taught how to behave by the kind white masters. 

Many of those who were taught that in school , and their children, are in the prime of their lives now and most likely among the troublemakers in the school board meetings. 

We still need honest history in the nations schools. 

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.3  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    3 years ago

Of course, we do. Even children know better. There is very little that is worse than a deluded adult. A person with a thinking brain and its full capabilities turned to deception and ludicrous processing of hard, cold, facts. Children know better. And so do people of color. We have watched for "a thousand years" some White people deceive themselves into thinking that they are God's gift to savages, but as a case in point, you do not ever watch herds of wild-life gather into beastly armies and attack others of their kind, but civilized "men and women" dream of their next case of warfare!  Moreover, savages beasts don't horde or covet the possessions of other beast. But civilized men and women do.

 Savage beasts don't lie to each other; don't manipulate each other; nor torture or imprison each other. Can't say that for civilized humanity, can we?

 
 
 
CB
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5  CB    3 years ago

BTW, according to 'storytellers' we should probably reinvent the slave movement, because then we could "bottle" all that joy and happiness again for these poor savages who can't cope or take the measure of civilization.   /s

 
 
 
Kavika
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6  Kavika     3 years ago

As sad as this ''whitewashing'' of history is it also extended to Native Americans. 

The passing of the Racial Integrity Act resulted from the Eugenics
Movement, which intended to protect the white race through selective
breeding. At the forefront of its promotion was the Anglo-Saxon Club of
Virginia. While all Virginia Indian tribes and some Indians of terminated
tribes in the state were targeted, the Monacan Indian Nation, based in
Amherst County, Va., was the tribe fiercely harassed by state officials.
Also, several Monacan and Rappahannock Indians were imprisoned for refusing
to check "colored" on the racial designation section of military draft
documents.
 
 
 
GregTx
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7  GregTx    3 years ago
After U.S. Senator William Mahone and the Readjuster Party lost control of Virginia politics around 1883, Democrats regained the state legislature. They proceeded to use enact new statutes and a new constitution in 1901. These laws included provisions such as a poll tax, residency requirements, and literacy test to disfranchise nearly all African Americans and many poor whites. Their disfranchisement lasted until after passage of civil rights legislation in the mid-1960s. White Democrats created a one-party state, with a nearly unchallenged majority of state and most federal offices through the middle of the 20th century. The Byrd Organization headed by Harry F. Byrd Sr. largely controlled statewide politics.

Huh? who would have imagined?......

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @7    3 years ago

Do you have anything on the actual topic ? 

 
 
 
GregTx
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7.1.1  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    3 years ago

Pretty sure that addresses the topic, textbooks from the past that were approved by the State Board of Education in a Democratic party prominent timeframe aren't appropriate, so fuck Youngkin, right?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @7.1.1    3 years ago

Oh I get it now, the Democrats did it.   Were those racist Democrats back in 1950 and 1960 liberals or conservatives? 

I'll give you a clue. You mentioned Harry Byrd, senator from Virginia for 32 years  (1933-1965)

He came to lead the " conservative coalition " in the United States Senate, and opposed President  Franklin D. Roosevelt , largely blocking most liberal legislation after 1937. [1

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How about 2021?  

Which party do you think would be most likely to take the "happy slave" books out of Virginia today? 

 
 
 
GregTx
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7.1.3  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.2    3 years ago
Oh I get it now, the Democrats did it.   Were those racist Democrats back in 1950 and 1960 liberals or conservatives? 

That's a curious question coming from a partisan.

Which party do you think would be most likely to take the "happy slave" books out of Virginia today? 

Nevermind......

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @7.1.3    3 years ago

Up until 1970 or so a lot of white southern racist conservatives were Democrats. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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7.1.5  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.4    3 years ago

Right.....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @7.1.5    3 years ago

you must be confused

 
 
 
GregTx
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7.1.7  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.6    3 years ago

Not at all.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  GregTx @7.1.1    3 years ago

No fuck the conservative assholes in the Democratic Party and the KKK at that time.

White Democrats created a one-party state, with a nearly unchallenged majority of state and most federal offices through the middle of the 20th century.

circa 1965 with the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights act the conservatives in the South fled.

Eventually becoming Republicans. The Dems were divided then and the GoP claimed to be the big open tent.  Neither party minded being a balanced blend of Cons and Libs. 

You should NOT be surprised by any of this watching the conservative R's in Texas trying to do exactly the same thing with laws for crimes that haven't happened and the constant gerrymandering since 1970.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.2    3 years ago
 Were those racist Democrats back in 1950 and 1960 liberals or conservatives? 

Both. Only someone completely unfamiliar with American history would claim racism was a distinguishing factor between liberals and conservatives.

 
 
 
CB
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7.1.10  CB  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.8    3 years ago

That is touching on my @9 below.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.9    3 years ago

in your dreams

 
 
 
GregTx
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7.1.12  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.11    3 years ago

Explain please? You think racism is distinguished by ideology ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @7.1.12    3 years ago

were the senators and congressmen who tried to obstruct the civil rights act of 1964 liberals? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.13    3 years ago

ere the senators and congressmen who tried to obstruct the civil rights act of 1964 liberals

Were the Senators and Congressmen who voted for LBJ's Great Society programs liberals? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.14    3 years ago

I'm trying to think - I dont think I've ever known a liberal racist.  I've known a lot of conservative racists though. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.15    3 years ago

You brought this up last week. Do you think all those unions you reference that make it hard for blacks to join are filled with conservatives? 

 
 
 
GregTx
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7.1.17  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.15    3 years ago

I would bet you have...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.18  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @7.1.17    3 years ago

Now that we have derailed the seed with half the comments would anyone like to comment on the topic? Virginia parents, many of which are children of people who grew up being taught a racist history of Virginia, feel justified in complaining about a school curriculum that wants to rectify the previous generations of misinformation and falsehoods about slavery.  Thats messed up. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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7.1.19  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.18    3 years ago
Virginia parents, many of which are children of people who grew up being taught a racist history of Virginia, feel justified in complaining about a school curriculum.....

And people want to tell them they don't have the right.. That's what's messed up.

 
 
 
CB
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7.1.20  CB  replied to  GregTx @7.1.19    3 years ago

Virginians have a right to be told the truth! Not lies, misleading statements, and omissions. First, some conservatives lied and said they did not mean to 'do it' to minorities here in our country- it was a mistake they said all those centuries and decades ago. They said, "We erred." Some conservatives even apologized publicly.

Is it a 'mistake' if some conservatives 'do it' all over again in the 21st century with the whole world watching? Lying to yourselves while you make sweeping attempts to 'recreate' past blunders on behalf of our country's character. Doing it all over again in the light of 'day.'

What will you say about how it happened you are attempting to 'do it' this time around? 

 
 
 
CB
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7.2  CB  replied to  GregTx @7    3 years ago

You "pow" would carry more punch your honorable party did not currently provide a home for former democrat vipers and asps: biased, prejudiced, and separatists. Strive all desire, there is no proper way to separate history from its firm deeds.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.1  CB  replied to  CB @7.2    3 years ago

I messed that one up.

Your "pow" would carry more punch if your honorable party did not currently provide a home for former democrat vipers and asps: Biased, prejudiced, and separatists.  . . ., there is no proper way to separate history from its firm deeds.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8  CB    3 years ago
But let’s get real: Some textbooks taught to Virginia children have contained virulent antiwhite propaganda.

Consider this passage from a Virginia public school textbook: “From the first recorded landing of Negroes at Jamestown in 1619 until the end of the colonial period, Virginia opposed a mixed population of the two races,” it says. “Above all the Colony was determined to preserve the racial purity of the whites. This determination is the foundation upon which Virginia’s handling of the racial issue rests, and has always rested.”

Can we at least agree that such divisive rhetoric should not be allowed in schools? It can have bad effects. I know, because the passage above, along with a lot of other racist bilge, was taught to me in 1961 in a state-mandated elementary school course in “Virginia History”; the textbook from which that quote comes, A Hornbook of Virginia History, edited by J. R. V. Daniel, was published in 1949 by the Virginia State Library for use in schools.

(From the article above.)

I am confused about what is meant by "anti-white propaganda" in this, and  how the author is applying this statement to himself based on the rest of his remarks in the article. A little help here, please.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  CB @8    3 years ago

I think the writer phrased that badly . I think he meant to say "virulent non white" propaganda.   Either that or "virulent pro white" propaganda.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9  CB    3 years ago

Honest question: If our country is just beginning to show signs of a proper democracy where equality and equity are showing up for all its diverse citizens; What was this country before?

Clearly, this country was under the control of a majority, and was that majority a democratically inclusive people or something else?

And, are fragments of this country siding up to revert back to "something else"?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10  CB    3 years ago

Seriously! I want to know: Can a country the size of ours with its diversity core, be a proper democracy if its minorities are treated as second-class citizens?!  If yes, explain how.

If no, the United States of America of the past and current has not properly been a democracy!

 
 

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