U.S. in Talks to Pay Hundreds of Millions to Families Separated at Border

  

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U.S. in Talks to Pay Hundreds of Millions to Families Separated at Border

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The Biden administration is in talks to offer immigrant families that were separated during the Trump administration around $450,000 a person in compensation, according to people familiar with the matter, as several agencies work to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to   lasting psychological trauma .


The U.S. Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, and Health and Human Services are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family, though the final numbers could shift, the people familiar with the matter said. Most of the families that crossed the border illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S. included one parent and one child, the people said. Many families would likely get smaller payouts, depending on their circumstances, the people said.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which represents families in one of the lawsuits, has identified about 5,500 children separated at the border over the course of the Trump administration, citing figures provided to it by the government. The number of families eligible under the potential settlement is expected to be smaller, the people said, as government officials aren’t sure how many will come forward. Around 940 claims have so far been filed by the families, the people said.

The total potential payout could be $1 billion or more.


As part of a so-called zero-tolerance enforcement policy, immigration agents   separated thousands of children , ranging from infants to teenagers, from their parents at the southern border in 2018 after they had crossed illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S. In some cases families were forcefully broken up with no provisions to track and later reunite them, government investigations found. The lawsuits allege some of the children suffered from a range of ailments, including heat exhaustion and malnutrition, and were kept in freezing cold rooms and provided little medical attention.

Many of the lawsuits describe lasting mental-health problems for the children from the trauma of the months without their parents in harsh conditions, including anxiety, a fear of strangers and nightmares. The lawsuits seek a range of payouts, with the average demand being roughly $3.4 million per family, some of the people said.

In recent months, lawyers for the families and the government have told courts overseeing the cases that they are engaged in settlement negotiations and hoped to reach a deal by the end of November.

“President Biden has agreed that the family separation policy is a historic moral stain on our nation that must be fully remedied,” said Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU’s immigrant-rights project and a lead negotiator on one of the lawsuits. “That remedy must include not only meaningful monetary compensation, but a pathway to remain in the country.”

In his first weeks in office, Mr. Biden   pledged to reunite the separated families , describing those actions undertaken by the Trump administration a “moral and national shame.”

A DHS spokeswoman referred questions to the Justice Department, where a spokeswoman declined to comment. The Department of Health and Human Services didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Some Republicans criticized the potential payments on Thursday afternoon after The Wall Street Journal reported on them. “The Biden administration’s promises of citizenship and entitlement programs have already caused the worst border crisis in history—a huge cash reward will make it even worse,” Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas said.

The discussions about the payouts have taken place over the past few months among a group of dozens of private lawyers representing the families and government lawyers. Some government lawyers have viewed the payouts as excessive for people who had violated the law by crossing the border, the people said. One government lawyer threatened to remove his name from the case out of disagreement with the potential settlement offer, the people said.

In another instance, a Department of Homeland Security attorney involved in the settlement talks complained on a conference call that the payouts could amount to more than some families of 9/11 victims received, one person said. Other people said senior departmental officials were in alignment on the amount and disputed the 9/11 comparison, given that the U.S. government hadn’t been responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The 9/11 victim compensation fund averaged awards to the dead of around $2 million, tax-free, at the time an unprecedented payout,   the administrator of the fund has said .




“Damage class actions in this kind of case are pretty rare, it’s hard to think of a recent comparison,” said Margo Schlanger, who ran the civil-rights office during the Obama administration at the Department of Homeland Security and now teaches at the University of Michigan law school. Ms. Schlanger said class-action compensation claims are more common in cases involving defective medical devices or other consumer products.

“It is a complicated, complex piece of litigation” to try to resolve hundreds of different lawsuits at the same time, and “sometimes even more complex to try the cases,” Ms. Schlanger said, adding that it made sense to try to resolve them together.

The Trump administration in May 2018   implemented a zero-tolerance approach , in which agents apprehended everyone crossing the border illegally, including those seeking asylum. That practice meant that children accompanying those adults were separated from their parents and put on a separate administrative track. The overall goal, the Trump administration said at the time, was to slow the number of people crossing the border illegally, but several of those officials have since apologized for the consequences of that policy.

Immigration law gives children greater legal protections than adults, so while the adults’ asylum cases could be dismissed quickly, allowing them to be deported, children mostly remained in the U.S. in child-welfare shelters or living with relatives. The Trump administration also   hadn’t built a system   to track which children belong to which parents before beginning to separate them.

A January report from the Justice Department’s inspector general   faulted senior Trump Justice Department officials   for knowing the policy change would result in families being separated, but pressing ahead without preparing for it.

President Trump   ended the policy   through an executive order on June 20, 2018, following bipartisan blowback and global condemnation.

Many of the families filed tort claims, a type of civil claim seeking damages for loss or harm, asking for compensation to cover mental-health treatment to address the emotional and psychological toll the practice took. Some of the cases were resolved under the Trump administration. In a 2019 settlement in New Jersey, for example, an adult and a minor   received a total of $125,000 .

Most such cases remained pending at the start of the Biden administration. When Mr. Biden became president, he formed a task force to reunite the families that remained separated.

Settlement talks are also ongoing in a separate lawsuit, known as Ms. L V. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, in which the ACLU has asked the government to provide families with mental-health and other services, along with a permanent legal status.

Apart from talks over damages, the administration has already begun a process of locating deported parents and   reuniting them with their children   in the U.S. The administration has reunited 52 families and is in the process of reuniting about 200 more. The families are being given a three-year grant of parole, a form of temporary humanitarian protection that allows them to live and work legally in the U.S. but doesn’t offer them a path to permanent legal status.



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1stwarrior
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1  seeder  1stwarrior    one month ago

You have got to be friggin' kidding me.

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.1  GregTx  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one month ago

Certainly seems to be par for the course that this administration is headed down.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.1  Ender  replied to  GregTx @1.1    one month ago

So lawsuits stemming from the trump administration is the fault of Biden?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Ender @1.1.1    one month ago
So lawsuits stemming from the trump administration is the fault of Biden?

To right wingers everything is the fault of Biden or Obama.

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GregTx
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1.1.3  GregTx  replied to  Ender @1.1.1    one month ago

It's the same as a robber suing his victim because of the trauma of being caught. A mind-numbingly stupid precedent...

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.4  Ender  replied to  GregTx @1.1.3    one month ago

Still can't blame Biden for it.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.5  Ender  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    one month ago

Yep. And here we are with people blaming Biden for something that trump did...

donald is costing us yet they want to shift blame elsewhere.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.6  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ender @1.1.5    one month ago

Ender - you really need to get up to date.  Obama/Bush started this - quit trying to blame Trump for their stupidity.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.7  Ender  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.6    one month ago

How so? How is Obama or Bush even remotely responsible for a trump administration policy or for lawsuits that are happening because of donald's policy....

Hell it spells it out in the article you seeded...

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  Ender @1.1.1    one month ago

No the f'ing idiot even considering paying the criminals is! 

WTF is this mighty mental midget doing!? 

There needs to be a full on investigation with a special prosecutor to find out where Biden's brains and morals have gone!

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.9  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.8    one month ago

You have to be kidding.....

Do you all even read the article?

Some of the lawsuits were settled under the trump administration and the rest were pending.

I swear, you all will bend over backward to distort the truth to protect donald and attack Biden...

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  Ender @1.1.9    one month ago

I swear you will defend the human fuckup machine that now occupies the WH no matter what. Biden is the anti Trump remember? That is the only reason he was elected. In this case he has out Trumped Trump.

Seems you can't do math either. $450,000 is far greater than $129,000. Not that giving money to illegal immigrants that violated our laws is ever going to be right. 

Some of the cases were resolved under the Trump administration. In a 2019 settlement in New Jersey, for example, an adult and a minor received a total of $125,000 .

I am sure Biden isn't done handing out US taxpayer money either to illegal immigrants. He has the whole International Bridge incident to apologize and make reparations for. 

When is the left going to take full responsibility for the worst President ever, Joe Biden?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.11  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.10    one month ago

And you all will defend the fuck ups from donald.

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Ender
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1.1.13  Ender  replied to  GregTx @1.1.12    one month ago

A good thing we never had caravans headed here before...oh wait....

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.1.14  GregTx  replied to  Ender @1.1.13    one month ago

Yeah well.. I would imagine none were as motivated as the current one.

 
 
 
MsMarple
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1.1.15  MsMarple  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    one month ago

Disgusting Corpse/Creep 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one month ago

Oh Hell no!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.3  Sparty On  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one month ago

Unbelievable.  

I didn't want to believe it but Biden really must hate Americans

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2  SteevieGee    one month ago

So...  Out of 5,500 children separated from their families, (the article is unclear how many families that represents) Only 52 families have been reunited after all this time?  Sounds to me like we owe them every penny.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  SteevieGee @2    one month ago

C'mon outta your pocket - ya mind?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2.1.1  SteevieGee  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1    one month ago

I'm not happy about it coming out of my pocket but separating children from their families and then losing track of them so they cannot reunite with each other was one of the most cruel policies that our government has ever had.  Even Trump reversed it but it was too late.  It's up there with internment of Japanese Americans during WWII.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.2  Raven Wing  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.1    one month ago
It's up there with internment of Japanese Americans during WWII.

Absolutely! 

 
 
 
dennis smith
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2.1.3  dennis smith  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.1    one month ago

They came here ILLEGALLY. No compensation for criminals.

End of story

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  dennis smith @2.1.3    one month ago

Bazinga!

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2.1.5  SteevieGee  replied to  dennis smith @2.1.3    one month ago

Unless we're all NAs we all came here illegally.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2.1.6  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.5    one month ago

What if the people came here before the US was in fact the US?

What if those people helped make the US its own country?

Does that mean that they came here illegally too?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2.1.6    one month ago

They still displaced people who were already here and had been for thousands of years

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.5    one month ago

NA's are illegal aliens to the Clovis people and them perhaps to even earlier humans .... so there is that.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.9  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2.1.6    one month ago

Well, gee MsAubrey.  If they came before there was a U.S., what U.S. laws would they have broken?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.10  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.1    one month ago

2014 - Prez Obama began separating children from the "group" they were with - including parents/relatives - in McAllen, TX.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.11  Kavika   replied to  Sparty On @2.1.8    one month ago
NA's are illegal aliens to the Clovis people and them perhaps to even earlier humans .... so there is that.

Nope, the modern-day NA's are direct descendants of the Clovis people. Who in turn are descendants of the Ancient Siberians and the Neo Siberians.

.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.5    one month ago
Unless we're all NAs we all came here illegally.

Show us the law prohibiting Europeans settling in what is now the US.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.13  Jack_TX  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.5    one month ago
Unless we're all NAs we all came here illegally.

That's ridiculous on a thousand levels.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.14  arkpdx  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.2    one month ago

The Japanese Americans that were interned during WW2 were either legal resident aliens or citizens and were here legally. Big difference from the illegal aliens detained now. The illegals deserve nothing but a one way ticket back to where they came from

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.15  arkpdx  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.5    one month ago

So then by your logic I and my family members can expect a large check from the "Native Americans" anytime now. RIGHT?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.16  Jack_TX  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2.1.6    one month ago
What if the people came here before the US was in fact the US?

Or even if they arrived at a legal port of entry and followed whatever immigration processes were in place at the time?    You know...like all those people who came through Ellis Island....or the millions every year that follow exactly that process to immigrate from places all over the world.

They're not illegal, either.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.17  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kavika @2.1.11    one month ago

Who in turn crossed the Beringia land bridge from Siberia when there were no humans occupying North America.

 
 
 
MsMarple
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2.1.18  MsMarple  replied to  dennis smith @2.1.3    one month ago
No compensation for criminals.

Not even the babies??? [deleted]

 
 
 
MsMarple
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2.1.19  MsMarple  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.17    one month ago

"Who in turn crossed the Beringia land bridge from Siberia when there were no humans occupying North America."

WHAAA? They were what we know now as Native Americans, who lived for hundreds of years before the European conquistadors shot them dead, and poisoned them dead with their small pox blankets.
WTF is your point?

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2.1.20  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.16    one month ago

Agreed. I work with MANY legally immigrating people from all over the world. Trust me when I say, they dislike the ones coming illegally more than those that were naturalized citizens. Some of these people have been dealing with the immigration process [and its many hoops, not only from the US, but their own country of origin too] for darn near a decade and still aren't full fledged citizens YET.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.21  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2.1.20    one month ago

Took me five years to get all the hoops and loops closed to get my wife and daughter through the process - total cost?  $1,850 - for both.  And the Illegals will "gladly" pay a coyote or trafficker $12,000??????  BS.

They, the wife and daughter, DO NOT like the Illegals and will blast them every time they have to get involved with them.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2.1.22  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.21    4 weeks ago

Did you know that people from India that immigrate here are required to denounce their citizenship of India before even beginning the citizenship process? I learned that from a coworker. Could you imagine being a citizen of NO country for a decade? That's some harsh stuff right there.

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1.23  GregTx  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2.1.22    4 weeks ago

I didn't know that. Did you ask them why that is?

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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2.1.24  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  GregTx @2.1.23    4 weeks ago

That is a law in India to obtain citizenship in any other country.

I must've misunderstood... it's once they are close to getting another country's citizenship or up to 90 days after.

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1.25  GregTx  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2.1.24    4 weeks ago

I see. So India doesn't allow dual citizenship. Yeah, I would say that requires a real commitment.

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.2  GregTx  replied to  SteevieGee @2    one month ago
The U.S. Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, and Health and Human Services are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family,..

Do you seriously think that we, the people i.e. taxpayers, owe these illegal immigrants that crossed our border illegally that much money for their inconvenience?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @2.2    one month ago
Do you seriously think that we, the people i.e. taxpayers, owe these illegal immigrants that crossed our border illegally that much money for their inconvenience?

After we kidnapped their children, took them away from their families, and "lost" the records of where those children came from?  Yes.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.1    one month ago
After we kidnapped their children,

Those words don't  mean what they think you do.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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2.2.3  dennis smith  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.1    one month ago

See 2.1.3

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2.4  Ronin2  replied to  GregTx @2.2    one month ago

We don't owe then shit except a quick expulsion back to where they came from.

Just when I thought Biden couldn't do anything more stupid than abandoning US citizens in Afghanistan or the southern border crisis he goes and pulls this shit!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  dennis smith @2.2.3    one month ago

See 2.1.3

You comment is bullshit.  The ones removed for extended periods of times were children with asylum seekers.  Asylum seekers are not illegals.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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2.2.6  dennis smith  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.5    one month ago

They did not come here legally. Your comment is nothing more than typical spin/deflection.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.7  Ozzwald  replied to  dennis smith @2.2.6    one month ago

They did not come here legally. Your comment is nothing more than typical spin/deflection.

So, you do not accept legal asylum seekers, as the law defines them?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.2.8  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.7    one month ago

They overwhelming majority if not all of those illegals coming here and claiming asylum are coming here for economic reasons. That is not a legitimate reason to seek asylum. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.9  Ozzwald  replied to  arkpdx @2.2.8    one month ago
They overwhelming majority if not all of those illegals coming here and claiming asylum are coming here for economic reasons.

So you acknowledge that the overwhelming majority are asylum seekers.  Thanks for that admission arkpdx.

That is not a legitimate reason to seek asylum.

That is not up to you, ICE, or border patrol to decide.  That can only be legally decided with the proper procedure.

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.2.10  charger 383  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.7    one month ago

I sure don't, Ain't our fault they don't like it where they were. That is not our problem.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.2.11  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.9    one month ago
So you acknowledge that the overwhelming majority are asylum seekers.  Thanks for that admission arkpdx.

[deleted] I said the majority of asylum seekers  not that the majority illegal aliens are seeking asylum. There is a large difference

 
 
 
dennis smith
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2.2.12  dennis smith  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.7    one month ago

How many do you think are truly legal asylum seekers?

 
 
 
dennis smith
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2.2.13  dennis smith  replied to  arkpdx @2.2.11    one month ago

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Texan1211
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2.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.9    one month ago
So you acknowledge that the overwhelming majority are asylum seekers.  Thanks for that admission arkpdx.

Economic reasons aren't acceptable for a reason to seek asylum.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.15  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  dennis smith @2.2.12    one month ago

Dennis - the "latest" figures for asylum requesters receiving approved asylum is 'bout 15%.

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.2.16  charger 383  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.15    one month ago

15% is way too high

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.17  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.4    one month ago

Do people really think Biden is smart enough to come up with all this on his own? He is surrounded by his handlers and other hard core liberal minions at all times that can probably get stuff put in front of him that they know he will rubber stamp.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.18  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.2.17    one month ago

This is getting to be much worse than President Carter's handlers.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.19  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.18    one month ago

Big difference between Carter's and Biden's presidency was while Carter genuinely loved this country and wanted only the best for it, however misguided he may have been. Sadly, I have seen no evidence of that from Biden.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.20  Split Personality  replied to  GregTx @2.2    one month ago

How much are your children worth to you?

A simple question.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.21  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.20    one month ago

Why does Biden believe  the lives of American soldiers are worth a fraction of the self induced problems of separation are worth to illegals?

 
 
 
dennis smith
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2.2.22  dennis smith  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.15    one month ago

If true, that leaves approx 85% who are illegally entering the country. That should scare the shit out of all Americans. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.23  Split Personality  replied to  dennis smith @2.2.22    one month ago

We sent 1,7 million back to Mexico under title 42, the public health emergency order

Do the math.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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2.2.24  dennis smith  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.23    one month ago

1.7 million were sent back under 42. How many were not sent packing? Whatever number you come up with will not be accurate  since the number of gotaways is unknown.

How many of the 85% made it here illegally.

Provide that answer in % instead of deflection to numbers of people.

The math will be clear to you when you do.

BTW, Most of Title 42 was returns was done under Trump. Biden has tried without success to get rid of it. He is even skirting the SCOTUS ruling on it.

  

 
 
 
MsMarple
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2.2.25  MsMarple  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.2.17    one month ago

"Do people really think Biden is smart enough to come up with all this on his own? He is surrounded by his handlers and other hard core liberal minions at all times that can probably get stuff put in front of him that they know he will rubber stamp."

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"He is surrounded by his handlers" BWHAHAHAHA!

Don't you realize - that was the "promise" the Republicans told us when Trump was elected? - "The adults will take care of him", blah-blah-blah. The Republican Party could NOT BELEIVE Trump won. So, they told us about the "adults in the room". Such bullshit!

Well, the adults "took care of the insane grampa" most of the time during Trump's reign, but not always. That's how we got Jan 6 insurrection.

Just saying

Trump is a hollow, narcissistic old man, a 10 year old child caught in a 70+ year old man's body. Really pathetic and worthy of shame and pity.
And yes, we do "think Biden is smart enough" - he's been in Congress for more than 40 years.

What does YOUR corpulent ogre have to offer to this country????

Hmmm? HMMM?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.26  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  MsMarple @2.2.25    one month ago

Just one word for you. IGNORE, because that is what you just went on. Go troll somebody else. Bye now.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.27  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  MsMarple @2.2.25    one month ago

Stay on topic.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.28  Split Personality  replied to  dennis smith @2.2.24    one month ago
BTW, Most of Title 42 was returns was done under Trump. Biden has tried without success to get rid of it. He is even skirting the SCOTUS ruling on it.

Complete hockey pucks.   The surge hit in February and Biden embraced title 42.  SCOTUS had nothing to do with it.

You are confusing it with the Stay in Mexico plan.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.29  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.27    one month ago

Not gonna happen. Some folks just cannot help themselves from going off tangent and ranting.

 
 
 
gooseisback
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2.3  gooseisback  replied to  SteevieGee @2    one month ago
So...  Out of 5,500 children

Sounds like these so called children weren't children at all.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  gooseisback @2.3    one month ago

Whatever they were, they broke the law.  Are we going to reward them for that with taxpayer money?

We separate citizens from their families every time we send someone to jail.  Are we going to reward them for that with taxpayer money?

Where is the consistancy? This only applies to those separated under Trump. The same happened under Obama. Are we going to reward them for that with taxpayer money?

This is insane. Yet it is what we have come to expect from the American left.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
2.3.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.1    one month ago

I can just "see" all the ambulance chasing attorney's jumping on that Vic.  So this could lead to the U.S. paying for all folks who are arrested and placed in jail if their children are separated from them???

Yup.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.2    one month ago

Let's see if somebody can stop the madness.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
2.3.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.2    one month ago

just "see" all the ambulance chasing attorney's jumping on tha

since ambulance chasers are a huge democratic donor group,  it’s no coincidence they will engorge themselves with taxpayer money thanks to this

 
 
 
Kathleen
Professor Principal
2.4  Kathleen  replied to  SteevieGee @2    one month ago

Some of these children were forced to come here by themselves. They would be paid cash by their parents or guardians to be brought over here. 

So you don't know exactly who some of these kids belong to. 

Biden is a idiot to think that these illegals should be paid $450,000 to break a law.

I can think of many people over here that could use that money. 

How about giving that money to a family that can't pay for a operation, cancer treatments, St. Jude, the hungry. Instead he wants to give that money to a illegal that should not be here to begin with.

He is NOT thinking of the folks in our country. 

That is one of the reasons I prefer a Republican President, because they put the needs of our citizens first.

I will be happy when he gets voted out.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.4.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @2.4    one month ago
He is NOT thinking of the folks in our country. 

It's almost as though he doesn't like the people of America. It's as though he prefers those he is letting in.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.4.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.4.1    one month ago

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arkpdx
Masters Participates
2.4.3  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @2.4.2    one month ago

And just where in 2.4.1 did Vic  say anything about white people? Don't you think that the term "spaghetti twisters" is a bit derogatory and demeaning bordering on racist? Also remember at one time in our history, the Irish were not particularly welcome either. At one time or another almost all if our ancestors were not welcomed with open arms. But iyr families dealt with it and over came those hardships. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.4.4  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @2.4.3    one month ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.4.5  Texan1211  replied to  arkpdx @2.4.3    one month ago

Giving money to illegal aliens has to be one of he stupider things the Administration of Biden/Harris has done, and that is saying a LOT!

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.4.6  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.4.5    one month ago

Many Administrations have paid or 'settled' ahead of losing in Federal or International Courts.

Republicans have generally been more opposed to those settlements than Democrats.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Masters Participates
2.4.7  arkpdx  replied to  Kathleen @2.4    one month ago
Biden is an idiot 

Enough said and truer words were spoken!

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.4.8  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.6    one month ago

From what I have read the administration decided to tie them all together instead of separate cases. Seems to me that would save time and money than taking them all to court.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.4.9  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.4.5    one month ago

Deliberately losing 5,400 children in the effort to deter future "caravans" of immigrants was an immoral,

indecent and immensely costly adventure by the 45th Administration.

That the children cannot be found indicates a deliberate effort to obfuscate or obstruct justice that demands

some sort of justice..

We used to pride ourselves on doing the right thing and keeping impeccable tracking records

which makes the "losing" of these children all the more suspect.

Of course we condemn countries around the world in Asia and Africa while ignoring the fact 

that we did the same to Native North American children in the States and Canadian Territories.

Old habits / white people...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.4.10  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.6    one month ago
Many Administrations have paid or 'settled' ahead of losing in Federal or International Courts. Republicans have generally been more opposed to those settlements than Democrats.

I know of no precedent to pay people for breaking our laws.

Seems like an idiotic thing to do.

No wonder there, though, after all, it IS the Biden/Harris Admin. we're talking about.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.4.11  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.4.10    one month ago

They are trying to right an injustice by the previous Administration without having it go to a

settlement through the World Court.

What value would you place on your children?

Keep living in denial...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.4.12  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.11    one month ago
What value would you place on your children?

Doesn't matter at all.

Keep living in denial...

Keep dreaming you have a clue as to what I deny.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.4.13  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.4.12    one month ago

Sure it does, same reason we released the Iran funds frozen for decades which grew from 120 million to

400 million before the World Court said we would owe 2 or 3 times as much.

Reality has it's advantages.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.4.14  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.13    one month ago
Sure it does, same reason we released the Iran funds frozen for decades which grew from 120 million to

What I value my children at has nothing at all to do with it.

Pretty damn sure that what I value my children at has absolutely nothing to do with the US Government releasing Iranian funds.

Reality has it's advantages.

I'll say. It is what allows me to know that what I value my children at has nothing to do with any of this at all.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.4.15  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.4.14    one month ago

Our government "lost" 5400 children deliberately.

Our government is or will be  liable for damages.

I can explain it to you ad nauseum,

but as you are so fond of saying,

I can't understand it for you.

Welcome to November.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Masters Silent
2.4.16  dennis smith  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.9    one month ago

We used to pride ourselves on doing the right thing and keeping impeccable tracking records.

Biden blew that concept out of the water when he had no idea how many were left behind in Afgan and you trust him to keep accurate records at the border?  

He hasn't even mentioned Afghan is over 60 days so it is obvious he doesn't even care about them.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.4.17  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.15    one month ago

Deliberately? Bullshit.

No need to be melodramatic

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
2.4.18  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.11    one month ago

Going overboard there SP - the World Court has no authority nor business being involved in Immigration policies of the World's countries - or do you think that the World Court could manage the U.S. better?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
2.4.19  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.15    one month ago

"Lost" deliberately???  BS  How 'bout giving some facts and figures to support that inane comment - and I mean REAL facts and figures, not just some pulled outta the ionosphere.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.4.20  Split Personality  replied to  dennis smith @2.4.16    one month ago
and you trust him to keep accurate records at the border?  

Well Dennis the "lost" children we speak of happened during the previous Administration.

Afstain is just a deflection.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.4.21  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.4.19    one month ago

Did you read your own article and follow the many links or did you just like where you thought the headline was going.

The Trump Administration set the precedent by settling some of these cases already,

but in true Trump fashion dragged their feet and kicked the can down the road to the next administration.

Again, it's in your seed.

BUTT Biden !!!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
2.4.22  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.21    one month ago

In fiscal year 2013, under the Barack Obama administration, the HHS Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) had as many as 25,000 unaccompanied children in its care across 80 shelters

In early May, the Trump administration announced it would start enacting a “100% prosecution” policy at the border,  which would refer anyone crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution . This policy functionally separates children from their families, because children cannot accompany adults who are taken into federal custody.

Because of the attention surrounding this new policy,  people revisited a claim made by Steven Wagner , a top official with the Department of Health and Human Services, during a hearing in April. During that hearing, Wagner said the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) was “unable to determine with certainty the whereabouts of 1,475 UAC (unaccompanied alien children).”

Some people began to conflate Wagner’s comment and the new policy, forming the idea that these children were forcibly separated from their families at the border and then lost. In fact, ORR officials couldn’t locate the children between October and December of 2017 – way before this new policy took effect.

In fact, unaccompanied child immigrants don’t come over the border with their families – hence the designation of “unaccompanied.” Some of the 1,500 children could have been separated from the groups with which they entered the country, but it would not have been as a result of the Trump administration’s new policy. For instance, if a child comes with an adult and it can’t be verified that the adult is a parent or legal guardian , the adult and child would be separated.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.4.23  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.4.22    one month ago

Were unaccompanied children treated differently under Trump or Obama?

The Trump administration, and to   some extent   the Obama administration, argued that the legal safeguards Congress created for unaccompanied children encouraged teenagers and other minors from impoverished areas in Central America to enter the U.S. without authorization. 

Both administrations urged Congress to change the law, which drew opposition from advocates.

Over four years, the Trump administration instituted several unprecedented policies to deter unaccompanied children from coming to the U.S. border, including a broad ban on asylum for non-Mexican minors and efforts to prosecute undocumented immigrants who sought to sponsor children in the refugee agency's care.

During its "zero tolerance" crackdown, the Trump administration also incorrectly designated thousands of children it separated from their families as unaccompanied and sent them to shelters alone while their parents were prosecuted for crossing the border illegally.

In March 2020, the Trump administration invoked a public health authority dating back to the late 19th century to authorize border officials to expel migrants, including unaccompanied minors, without letting them apply for U.S. refuge. Thousands of unaccompanied children, including   victims   of gang and   domestic violence , were expelled until a federal judge blocked the practice in November.

While an appeals court lifted that order late last month, the Biden administration has since   announced   it will exercise its discretion to not expel unaccompanied children. Instead, it will continue transferring them to the refugee office.

That policy choice, which White House press secretary Jen Psaki called a "human and moral objective," could prove to be an early logistical and political test for the Biden administration. The alternative, Psaki said Wednesday, is off the table for now.

"We can send them back home," Psaki said. "We're not doing that."

The facts about how the U.S. processes unaccompanied migrant children at the border - CBS News
 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
2.4.24  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.23    one month ago

"We can send them back home," Psaki said. "We're not doing that."

So following the law isn't part of your forte, eh?  Gee - who woulda guessed?

Why do the Dems have such a hang up 'bout following the Immigration laws???

Oh - sorry 'bout losing the 2024 election Dems.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.4.25  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @2.4.24    one month ago
Why do the Dems have such a hang up 'bout following the Immigration laws???

Because they are far more interested in granting amnesty and another pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens, with the long goal of securing millions of votes.

 
 
 
dennis smith
Masters Silent
2.4.26  dennis smith  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.20    one month ago

Another BS comment

 
 
 
arkpdx
Masters Participates
2.4.27  arkpdx  replied to  Texan1211 @2.4.5    one month ago

That and choosing Camel Hairless was another

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.4.28  TᵢG  replied to  arkpdx @2.4.27    one month ago

Childish (and unwitty) name-calling.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Masters Participates
2.4.29  arkpdx  replied to  TᵢG @2.4.28    one month ago

I would take that to heart if you would have and make the same comment that called President Trump, names or called presidents Bush and Reagan names. Don't give any bull about his you have because there is at least one here on NEWSTALKERS that continually dies just that. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.4.30  TᵢG  replied to  arkpdx @2.4.29    one month ago

"but they did it first"

(Your reply was entirely predictable.)

 
 
 
arkpdx
Masters Participates
2.4.31  arkpdx  replied to  TᵢG @2.4.30    one month ago

I never said that. What I did say is that you ignore the name calling when  it is some you agree with and against those that you to not like. What that is called is being a hypocrite. 

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Sophomore Principal
2.4.32  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Kathleen @2.4    one month ago

Unfortunately, there are many kids coming here with non-relatives, because the plan for them is human trafficking. I was watching a Mexican woman on YouTube [came here with her mother and father legally] talking about this issue and that has witnessed this activity. So, separation of adult and child is to see if they are in fact related first and foremost. Then if they are NOT related, then is our government or military personnel expected to go into Central America and find these families? Seriously... lots of nasty stuff.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
2.4.33  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.21    one month ago

Got a link for that?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
2.4.34  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.4.1    one month ago

Future voters, Vic.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.4.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  1stwarrior @2.4.34    one month ago

That's what it's about. They import new voters - dependable votes.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.4.36  TᵢG  replied to  arkpdx @2.4.31    one month ago
I never said that.

Excusing childish name-calling because others do it is childish.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.4.37  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.4.33    one month ago

Why would I link your seed?

Fourth paragraph from the bottom.

Many of the families filed tort claims, a type of civil claim seeking damages for loss or harm, asking for compensation to cover mental-health treatment to address the emotional and psychological toll the practice took. Some of the cases were resolved under the Trump administration. In a 2019 settlement in New Jersey, for example, an adult and a minor   received a total of $125,000 .

Most such cases remained pending at the start of the Biden administration. When Mr. Biden became president, he formed a task force to reunite the families that remained separated.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
2.4.38  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.4.37    one month ago

You need to link nothing - but - you also need to learn the broader picture of what occurred with this "single" plaintiff and the minor - The U. S. government is "probably" going to go after her "home" country for the funding, or reduce the amount of "Aid" given to them by that amount as it was the "home" country's massive error (killing her husband, placing her in jail WITHOUT HER SON, making her an outcast, etc..).

An additional error is that she was already admitted to the U.S. as a petitioner and was a Green Card holder.  The ruling in NJ is/was nothing but a sham.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Masters Participates
2.4.39  arkpdx  replied to  TᵢG @2.4.36    one month ago

And taking only one side of an issue such as thus and saying nothing to those of a differing viewpoint is hypocritical. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.4.40  TᵢG  replied to  arkpdx @2.4.39    one month ago

This is not an issue, it is childish name-calling.    Childish name-calling is unproductive and diminishes the credibility of the speaker regardless of whether the speaker is conservative, progressive, liberal, capitalist, socialist, republican, democrat or independent.

You will not see me engaging in such a practice.   And if you cannot deal with being called out for it one remedy is to not stoop to that level.   You can easily criticize Harris, et. al. on merits (factually, logically) without resorting to low-caliber, unwitty name-calling.   And, as noted, the fact that others do it is a silly excuse for you to make.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
2.4.41  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @2.4.34    one month ago

Yep, the Dems have to have some way of propping up their sagging voter base that Biden and his liberal minions are costing them. Virginia should be the handwriting on the wall.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
3  Sean Treacy    one month ago

Huge cash payouts will surely stop the flow of illegal aliens.  

 
 
 
zuksam
Junior Silent
4  zuksam    one month ago

If we give them even one dime let them collect the check at the US Embassy in what ever country they came from along with a court order declaring if they return to USA they will be jailed for two years then deported. Kids are separated from their parents every day in the USA when their parents break the law and are jailed, if there are no other family members that can take them the kids are taken into custody this is no different. Counter sue the parents for breaking the law and causing the problem to begin with.

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
5  Freewill    one month ago

This sounds like an great opportunity for some lawyers to make a great deal of money!  Let's go over the facts:

1.  While Trump's predecessors did occasionally separate children from parents in cases where a parental relationship was not proven, or where trafficking was suspected, the "No Tolerance Policy" started by Jeff Sessions on April 6, 2018 to more strictly enforce existing immigration law, did cause more separations to occur.  But since there are no records of the number of separations by past administrations, and the reasons for the separations during Trump's zero tolerance policy were not broken down in more recent records, it will take years to sort out who gets what.  And we know that the lawyers will get most of it!

2.   The only reason that any sort of separation occurred in the first place is because the parents entered this country illegally and broke our laws.  If they don't do the crime, no one does the time. So if this suit is successful we would essentially be rewarding people for committing a crime.  Does that sound like a good idea?

3.  On June 20, 2018 Trump signed an executive order to keep families together to the fullest extent of the law.  So the unintended consequence of the zero tolerance policy that resulted in more separations, due to heightened enforcement of the actual immigration law, was stopped after only 2.5 months.  The lawsuit appears to cover the time period of Trumps entire administration.  Not sure how that will work because he actually stopped the practice of separation more completely than any other president before him on June 20, 2018.   

So while the separation of children from their parents is a terrible thing, and it was recognized and corrected in fairly short order, the fact is that none of it happens if the parents aren't crossing illegally.  And if we had been enforcing our immigration laws properly for the past several decades it likely would not have happened at all. The lawyers are going to back up the Brinks truck on this one, guaranteed!  I think it would be best to focus on reuniting any families that have not already been, as that is the most important thing.   Perhaps provide counseling for those children who need it, and call it a lesson learned.  We need to better enforce immigration law, but we have to be able to assess the consequences of any policies that attempt to do that and be better prepared for those consequences.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.1  Ender  replied to  Freewill @5    one month ago

So if previous administrations only separated people where no parental relationship was proven or suspected trafficking and trump made the practice against separation more complete, does that mean he did not separate people where the parental relationship was not established?

Because the would be the only result I can see from that statement.

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
5.1.1  Freewill  replied to  Ender @5.1    one month ago

Not clear on what you mean, but the zero tolerance policy, by attempting to better enforce current law, did result in more separations.  The records are not clear on the exact reasons for the separations.  Many of them could have been the same reasons used for separations by administrations past.    Certainly you recall the pictures that went viral of kids in detention centers that turned out to be photos from the time of Obama's administration in 2014 .

My beef with Session's zero tolerance policy is that this consequence was not better anticipated and better prepared for in terms of logistics and record keeping, etc.  In general, I have no qualms with attempts to better enforce our immigration laws, but consequences for enforcement policies need to be better anticipated.  It took 2.5 months to realize the perhaps unintended result and while the zero tolerance policy was not ended, the separation of children from their parents was ended by Trump's executive order.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Ender  replied to  Freewill @5.1.1    one month ago

Who could not foresee problems with separating families to begin with?

If I remember correctly, a lot of people....

It was their policy.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.1.3  Ender  replied to  Freewill @5.1.1    one month ago

You said donald made stopping separation more complete.

If separation only occurred where parental control was not established....

Not that hard to figure out really.

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
5.1.4  Freewill  replied to  Ender @5.1.3    one month ago
You said donald made stopping separation more complete.

Good point.  I meant that he actually made it strict policy whereas it had not been in the past.  We don't have records on the number and reasons for detentions/separations in the past so we don't know what those reasons were.  Trump's order sets the policy and establishes the ONLY reasons allowable for separation.  It did still contain exceptions for when the DHS suspected a danger in keeping the "family" together.

The order also provides that the Department of Homeland Security won't detain an immigrant family together "when there is a concern that detention of an alien child with the child's alien parent would pose a risk to the child's welfare. "

Sorry I was not more clear on that.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Ender  replied to  Freewill @5.1.4    one month ago

No problem. I get what you are saying.

He only issued a presidential decree though that could be overturned at any time.

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
5.1.6  Freewill  replied to  Ender @5.1.5    one month ago
He only issued a presidential decree though that could be overturned at any time.

Sure. That was his only tool available since the law did not dictate a formal policy and actually allowed for family separation.  The Legislative branch writes the laws (particularly in the case of Federal immigration law) and it is the duty of the Executive branch to enforce them.  Name another a president who has done a good job of that in the last 4 or 5 decades and how. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.1.7  Ender  replied to  Freewill @5.1.6    one month ago

Name one in the last century...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
5.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Freewill @5    one month ago

I seem to remember the fact that some, not all probably, of the separations occurred due to the fact that the parents were put in jail and the law prohibited the children to get the same treatment.

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Participates
5.2.1  Freewill  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2    one month ago
I seem to remember the fact that some, not all probably, of the separations occurred due to the fact that the parents were put in jail and the law prohibited the children to get the same treatment.

That is correct.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
5.2.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2    one month ago

And Jim, just why where they put in jail???  For entering the U.S. ILLEGALLY - duh.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
5.2.3  charger 383  replied to  Freewill @5.2.1    one month ago

So some want to put children in adult jails?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Freewill @5    one month ago
So if this suit is successful we would essentially be rewarding people for committing a crime.  Does that sound like a good idea?

Of course not, but here in America it all too often comes down to a sharp/calculating lawyer getting a very sympathetic individual in front of the right judge. That becomes the starting point for all the cases that will follow.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
6  charger 383    one month ago

They committed a crime by knowingly illegality crossing the US border, the only thing they should get is to be removed from here.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Sophomore Silent
7  Gazoo    one month ago

Can’t say i’m surprised, par for the course for these America last bunch of morons.

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
8  squiggy    one month ago

They'll be catapulting kids over the wall.

 
 
 
Moose Knuckle
Freshman Participates
8.1  Moose Knuckle  replied to  squiggy @8    one month ago

The kids are put on busses, cleaned up at lavish hotels and brought to the oval office for sniffings. Our President deserves a fresh kid for every sniff, he's the leader of the free world dammit!

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
8.1.1  squiggy  replied to  Moose Knuckle @8.1    one month ago

bidenmeme-2.jpg

 
 
 
arkpdx
Masters Participates
8.1.2  arkpdx  replied to  squiggy @8.1.1    one month ago

She's a lesbian. He touches her and she will open a can of whoopass on him

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
8.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  arkpdx @8.1.2    one month ago

Put it on pay per view. That would almost be worth paying money to watch.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
9  Just Jim NC TttH    one month ago

What about the kids crossing right now NOT with their families but with anyone they could find that was coming. AND the ones all alone? This is bullshit. Total bullshit. Right up there with reparations for the relatives of slaves.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Senior Participates
10  Jeremy Retired in NC    one month ago

They broke the law.  So we pay them?  What part of ILLEGAL aliens do these people not understand?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
10.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10    one month ago

Beyond dumbass.............SMH

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
10.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10    one month ago

In the Dem/Lib world, if you throw money at it, it'll go away.

Not in this case.  It'll just make it more enticing to break more of the U.S. laws/rules/regulations/Constitution - AND - possibly get paid for breaking those laws.

 
 
 
Sparty On
PhD Principal
10.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  1stwarrior @10.2    one month ago
get paid for breaking those laws.

where do i sign up?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sparty On @10.2.1    one month ago

Exactly.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  1stwarrior @10.2    one month ago

We've seen how that's worked for them over the years.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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10.2.4  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10.2.3    one month ago

The very definition of insanity.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @10.2.4    one month ago

May as well make it an addendum to the definition of stupidity.

 
 
 
GregTx
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11  GregTx    one month ago
"Compare this hefty compensation sum to the 2019 average median American household annual income of $68,703," they wrote. "Furthermore, compare it to the maximum payout from a SGLI life insurance policy for military members, which is $400,000."
"At a time when the American household is dealing with historic rates of inflation and the price of average consumer goods – groceries, gasoline, and heating – have risen exponentially, it’s shocking that our government is considering rewarding illegal activity for purely political reasons,"

Republicans demand answers from Biden Cabinet on reported payments to illegal immigrants: 'Horrific decision' (msn.com)

 
 
 
Kathleen
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12  Kathleen    one month ago

I want a president that thinks about our citizens first. Biden is not. He wants to throw money away and HE thinks it’s already paid for. It’s Not paid for.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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12.1  arkpdx  replied to  Kathleen @12    one month ago

We had one but the left all hated him for it

 
 
 
Moose Knuckle
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13  Moose Knuckle    one month ago

We should give them a peanut butter and jelly sandwich as we shove them across the border back into Mexico.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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13.1  dennis smith  replied to  Moose Knuckle @13    one month ago

Give them absolutely nothing. When they come here legally they will be treated as such.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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14  Sparty On    one month ago

100k military death benefit in service of your country

450k "reparation" for coming to the USA illegally

Unbelievable!!

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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14.1  JaneDoe  replied to  Sparty On @14    one month ago

Embarrassing!!

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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14.1.1  JaneDoe  replied to  JaneDoe @14.1    one month ago

Our service members families who died in Biden’s clusterfuck that was the Afghanistan withdrawal will receive $100,000 for the life of their loved one and people who break our laws can receive $450,000. What a slap in the face!!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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14.1.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  JaneDoe @14.1.1    one month ago

That is this administration's policy - throw money at it - it'll go away.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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14.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  1stwarrior @14.1.2    one month ago
throw money at it - it'll go away.

Always the Democrat way.......................

 
 
 
Sparty On
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14.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  JaneDoe @14.1.1    one month ago

In defense of Biden it wasn't just his CF.  

However, this 450k for illegal aliens thing is 100% his and  IS absolutely 100% disgusting

 
 
 
Split Personality
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14.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @14.1.4    one month ago

Why because Trump already picked the low hanging fruit for $125,000?

Your right, it wasn't just his CF.

Blame the lawyers who have dragged it out this far for a beefier pay check.

Let's see how much the families actually get, probably 25% after a mountain of office fees and the lawyers cut.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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14.1.6  arkpdx  replied to  Split Personality @14.1.5    one month ago

That's 25% too much. There is also a big difference between $125,000 and $450,000. Both are way too much big Biden amount is down right obscene. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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14.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @14.1.5    one month ago

Deflection shields up scotty .......

Nah, i put the blame squarely where it belongs.  

On the asshats who would propose to pay law breakers 450k when they only pay a 100k death benefit to families who lost a loved one who was serving their country.

It so unconscionable i can't believe anyone WOULDN"T question such a travesty but ..... i guess one must consider the source.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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14.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sparty On @14    one month ago

Biden and the dems show who they value.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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14.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @14.2    one month ago

Trump settled first. Go fish.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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14.2.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @14.2.1    one month ago

OK - you threw out the bait, how 'bout showing some links to support that.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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14.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  1stwarrior @14.2.2    one month ago

Don't bother, it's just more whataboutism intended to deflect from the main point.

The 450k

 
 
 
Split Personality
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14.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @14.2.2    one month ago

Why would I link your seed?  Did you not read the whole thing?

Fourth paragraph from the bottom.

Many of the families filed tort claims, a type of civil claim seeking damages for loss or harm, asking for compensation to cover mental-health treatment to address the emotional and psychological toll the practice took. Some of the cases were resolved under the Trump administration. In a 2019 settlement in New Jersey, for example, an adult and a minor received a total of $125,000 . Most such cases remained pending at the start of the Biden administration. When Mr. Biden became president, he formed a task force to reunite the families that remained separated.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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14.2.5  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @14.2.4    one month ago

Have you even read the court case?

*The parties reached a settlement agreement before the Court ruled on this discovery dispute."

There are many "things" that occurred prior to Ms. Alvarado getting detained - all of which led to the settlement.

Read the case - you'll get a different understanding of the many layers involved in the settlement decision.

 
 
 
charger 383
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15  charger 383    one month ago

They get nothing, they should have stayed where they belonged.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis: "You're going to do $475,000 for an individual that came illegally to this country? I've seen a lot in my day, [...] but this takes the cake. If that is done, that is going to be a slap in the face to every hard-working American who plays by the rules."

 
 
 
Sparty On
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16.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @16    one month ago

Not to mention a real kick in the crotch to every family who lost a loved one in military service to their country and got a 100k death benefit.

It's unbelievable, complete unbelievable.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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17  Snuffy    one month ago

I identify as "separated at the border",  when can I expect my $450k?

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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17.1  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Snuffy @17    one month ago

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Jack_TX
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17.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Snuffy @17    one month ago
I identify as "separated at the border",  when can I expect my $450k?

The Matamoras drunk tank does NOT count as "separated at the border".

 
 
 
Snuffy
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17.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Jack_TX @17.2    one month ago

Doh

 
 
 
Freewill
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17.2.2  Freewill  replied to  Jack_TX @17.2    one month ago
The Matamoras drunk tank does NOT count as "separated at the border"

Sure it does if he was separated from his father Don Julio... jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
charger 383
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18  charger 383    one month ago

And they want me to pay taxes for this kind of stuff?   

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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19  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Good news....Joe Biden acted like it was the first time he had ever heard about it last night when Peter Doocey asked him about it....Biden said it ain't gonna happen.

"Biden was questioned about the reports by   Fox News ' Peter Doocy on Wednesday and flatly rejected them – calling them "garbage" when asked if it would incentivize further illegal immigration.

"If you guys keep sending that garbage out? Yeah, but it's not true," he said."

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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19.1  JaneDoe  replied to  Vic Eldred @19    one month ago

I don’t know. This part has me wondering

"Yeah, $450,000 per person, is that what you said? That's not gonna happen," Biden stated.

So maybe they have a different amount in mind?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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19.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JaneDoe @19.1    one month ago

Oh ya, that was an open ended statement that others will fill in within hours if not days.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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19.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JaneDoe @19.1    one month ago

White House walks back Biden comments on migrant families payments http:// hill.cm/RPZxKAP


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squiggy
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19.1.3  squiggy  replied to  Vic Eldred @19.1.2    one month ago

Wow. They couldn't get Psaki to do that with a straight face.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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19.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  squiggy @19.1.3    one month ago

Right now Jen's face is twisted in agony.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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19.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  squiggy @19.1.3    one month ago

Psaki got the COVID ......

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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19.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @19.1.5    one month ago

That she did. Do you have the feeling that some are staging a revolt?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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19.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @19.1.6    one month ago

Who knows, maybe she's just at home boning up on her deflection technique.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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19.1.8  JaneDoe  replied to  Vic Eldred @19.1.2    one month ago
Jean-Pierre on Thursday asserted Biden was reacting specifically to the $450,000 figure that was mentioned when he was asked about it.

I knew it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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19.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  JaneDoe @19.1.8    one month ago

White House spox: Biden is “perfectly comfortable” with the American taxpayer funding cash payments for illegal immigrants."

We’ve gone from “that’s garbage” to “perfectly comfortable” in 24 hours

 
 
 
Sparty On
PhD Principal
19.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @19.1.9    one month ago

A fly on Biden's wall overheard:

I don't know what these people are so mad at.   I mean, 450k?  

That's like only one of Hunters crappy paintings that he did in five minutes ............

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
19.1.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @19.1.10    one month ago

“Brandon” is going to get even more popular, because radical policies aren't really working.

Neither is the planned revolt we are now seeing here on NT.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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19.1.12  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @19.1.11    one month ago

Lol ..... the NV mafia up to no good as usual?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
19.1.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @19.1.12    one month ago

Lol, it would seem so. These power plays always seem to boomerang. Kind of like what happened to progressives on Tuesday night.

Let's enjoy it for now, welcome the newbie and watch Pelosi try and get another vote this morning.

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(She looks like she just had a bad bowl of Chili)

 
 
 
Sparty On
PhD Principal
19.1.14  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @19.1.13    one month ago

No worries, she has plenty of fancy ice cream in her 25k freezer to put out any fires

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
19.1.15  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @19.1.14    one month ago

LMAO!  And in about a year from now, she'll have lot's of time to enjoy it. Right now she is trying to pass a bill in the House that meets none of Joe Manchin's conditions. Let's just say she has little respect for him.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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20  Jeremy Retired in NC    one month ago

This is what that $450K gets us:

Illegal immigrant who posed as teen arraigned in Florida murder

( )

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
21  Split Personality    one month ago

Why post demonstrably false Bullshit?

The ACLU has been suing and enlarging a class action law suit against multiple US government agencies including DoJ, HHS

, HHS and others over the separation of children from their parents since 2017, winning an injunction against the Jeff Sessions

practice in 2018.

Imagine beating a dead horse almost 8 days later, even after the POTUS laughed and said "$450K"?

"Not gonna happen"

and here you are trying to soft sell an absolutely false equivalence based on something that hasn't happened.

Sad.

 
 
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