Critical Race Theory Outrage Highlights Massive Press Failure

  

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Critical Race Theory Outrage Highlights Massive Press Failure

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Critical Race Theory Outrage Highlights Massive Press Failure


Eric Boehlert 5-7 minutes   10/30/2021



Trying to pull off an upset in the Virginia governor’s race , Republican candidate Glenn Youngkin continues his push with an unlikely pledge at the center of his campaign: If elected he would immediately ban the teaching of critical race theory in Commonwealth classrooms.

His promise to voters has produced   nonstop media coverage , as the political press   eagerly hypes   the possibility of a Democratic loss.

What the media have uniformly failed to do in Virginia, and nationwide as deep-pocketed, right-wing activists march on with their manufactured outrage over CRT, is forcefully point out that it’s not taught in schools. Period. When pressed, most Republican parents, politicians and activists   aren’t able   to explain what CRT is. (It’s an academic framework taught at the college level that examines how systemic racism is ingrained in America’s history.)

Claiming it’s an attempt to “ indoctrinate the kids ,” Republicans are using CRT as a battering ram to not only take over local school boards, but to try to win the Virginia governorship in what is clearly a GOP dress rehearsal for the 2022 midterms. The media remain widely impressed by the strategy, while refusing to note that the entire enterprise is a con.

The whole thing represents a stunning failure of American journalism as news outlets defy common sense. It’s the latest example of the media working hand-in-hand with Republicans to spread nonstop misinformation.

What’s happening is that right-wing dark money groups are   pumping millions   into creating an army of activists who rally around lies about public education in hopes that that hysteria will get people out to vote more Republicans into office, who in turn then will vote to keep the tax rate low for corporations and the wealthy. CRT is being used as a Trojan Horse by big-money donors with Koch ties who likely couldn’t care less about the state of public education in America. Instead, they’re fueling the made-up controversy about teaching race in the classroom in order to build a Republican majority in Congress.

And the press is playing an essential role in this dangerous propaganda roll-out. As Republicans weaponize school boards across the country as part of their political campaigns, the media are legitimizing the attacks. Think about the media malpractice on display this year — the press has showered attention on right-wing attacks about CRT being taught while consistently refusing to point out that CRT is not being taught.

Why are the media covering for the GOP?

They’re terrified of labeling conservatives as cheats and cons. Especially the ones who present themselves as ‘concerned parents.’ The CRT lie is so brazen that it works. In order for any of this CRT news coverage to sustain itself the press must ignore the fact that the topic isn’t being taught. It’s either that, or call out conservatives as obvious liars, which the press is too scared to do.

Afraid of the Liberal Media Bias charge, journalists have programmed themselves to look past obvious right-wing lies and instead focus on the controversy they create. If school board shouting matches break out over CRT,   that’s   the news. If CRT might help Republicans get out the vote,   that’s   the news. The fact that the whole thing is built around a transparent lie? That’s definitely not the news.

This lengthy, October 21, piece from the   New York Times , “ How Republicans Are Weaponizing Critical Race Theory Ahead of Midterms ,” was a classic of the genre, as the paper leaned into the political benefits of the GOP’s attacks while all but ignoring the falsehoods it’s built around. “The issue has become a major rallying point for Republicans from Florida to Idaho, where state lawmakers have moved to ban it,” the   Times   reported.

It wasn’t until the 13th paragraph that the   Times   acknowledged CRT isn’t taught in public schools. Incredibly, four paragraphs later the   Times   reported, “But Republicans say critical race theory has invaded classrooms.”

Showtime’s “The Circus” recently   featured   a sit-down interview with a conservative activist in Virginia campaigning against CRT. When host Alex Wagner asked for some proof of CRT being hoisted on students, the activist pointed to a single rap song whose lyrics were once discussed in a nameless school somewhere. Instead of the entire interview being about how CRT actually isn’t part of any curriculum, the activist was given a national platform to push more misinformation.

The   Washington Post   published a 1,500-word   piece   all about the Virginia race and how “Republicans are seizing on CRT as an opportunity to connect with voters,” even though, as the   Post   quietly conceded, it’s “not part of classroom teaching.” Shouldn’t   that   be the story?

The Associated Press this week published a   whitewashing report   about how school board members nationwide are stepping down from their positions after being terrorized by political activists. The article “never even hints that the chaos and hostility at board meetings is mostly whipped up by the right wing and entirely related to its fantasy wars against mask tyranny and race theory,”   noted   NYU journalism professor Jay Rosen. “That’s malpractice.”

Media malpractice has defined CRT coverage   all year .



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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago
And the press is playing an essential role in this dangerous propaganda roll-out. As Republicans weaponize school boards across the country as part of their political campaigns, the media are legitimizing the attacks. Think about the media malpractice on display this year — the press has showered attention on right-wing attacks about CRT being taught while consistently refusing to point out that CRT is not being taught.

Why are the media covering for the GOP?

They’re terrified of labeling conservatives as cheats and cons. Especially the ones who present themselves as ‘concerned parents.’ The CRT lie is so brazen that it works. In order for any of this CRT news coverage to sustain itself the press must ignore the fact that the topic isn’t being taught. It’s either that, or call out conservatives as obvious liars, which the press is too scared to do.
 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago
Why are the media covering for the GOP?

They aren't covering for anything. They know it's true and being worked in, at least subliminally, to the curriculum. You oughta love that right?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2    4 weeks ago
They know it's true and being worked in, at least subliminally

So is the fluoride in the water some sort of catalyst for the subliminal teaching? Or is it the airplane contrails? Claiming it's "subliminal" basically proves you're unable to provide any evidence of CRT actually being taught in any K-12 public school.

Teaching children the ugly truth about the civil war, segregation, Jim Crow laws, lynching's etc. is not "subliminally" trying to teach anyone that white people are evil. Claiming that any K-12 public schools are teaching CRT is a disgusting lie. It's just not happening. What we've seen so far are parents having their kids ask questions about slavery and racism based on the facts they're learning in school and their often right wing conservative parents going into a rage because they are either so fucking stupid they aren't able to intelligently discuss such subjects with their children or they're so fucking racist that they can't believe the school is putting their indoctrinated prejudice and bigotry in a bad light or feeling like their dirty laundry is being exposed and they don't like it.

It's the same response I often get when giving the facts about how the white Christian conservative Southern Democrats in the past slowly shifted to become the white Christian conservative Southern Republicans of today. When this fact is pointed out many scream and cry and claim it's all fake news because they're desperate to hide their obvious affiliation. Sure, they have no actual valid argument for how white Christian conservative Southern Democrats who erected confederate monuments, flew confederate flags and discriminated against minorities and gays supposedly became the modern liberal progressive Democratic party that tears down confederate monuments, bans confederate flags on government buildings, supports minority rights, supports diversity and supports gay marriage, but that's what they try to make everyone believe in order to obfuscate the party of conservatives today that actually did grow out of those old bitter racist Dixiecrats of half a century ago. And now those conservatives are desperate to kill any thinking about race, critical or otherwise, since they feel it further exposes them. Only those who hold prejudice in their hearts would be so desperate to silence any talk about racism or, as they do now, claim talking about racism is somehow reverse racism.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

What didn't you understand about "being worked in"? All it takes is one short subject a day..

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

You go from claiming CRT is "just teaching kids about slavery and Jim Crow"  to "it's not taught at all" in the blink of an eye. 

Funny to watch. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.1    4 weeks ago
Only those who hold prejudice in their hearts would be so desperate to silence any talk about racism or, as they do now, claim talking about racism is somehow reverse racism.

If race issues were only taught at home, many many of these Virginia kids, and elsewhere would be taught that racism rarely existed in the past, and the blacks who did become slaves were sold into slavery by their own people, and that white Americans ended slavery as soon as they possibly could, and anyway many of the slaves got good food to eat and lived normal lives just like the white people did even if they had to work hard for it. 

Then after slavery ended in 1865 it was the blacks own fault if they didnt succeed because a lot of white men died to make them free. 

Now many blacks are ungrateful for the opportunities they have in America and are becoming socialist.

That is what many kids would be taught if it was left up to the parents. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2  Greg Jones    4 weeks ago

Parents of all ethnicities and political philosophies want to have a say so as to what is taught, or not taught , to their kids. The current revisionist history of alleged systemic racism now being taught is rightly being condemned by them.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @2    4 weeks ago

it's better that american students are taught the real history of the usa than any bible thumping fairy tales.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3  Sparty On    4 weeks ago

Lol .... "Republicans" aren't weaponizing school boards.   The people who pay for the schools are though.   The parents.

This article is complete garbage.  

A shitty attempt to hide how unions, liberals and progressives across the country have been making the sausage in school districts across the country for years now.   Parents discovered that the COVID lockdown had unintended consequences.   It opened the door for more parents to see what is actually being taught daily in our schools and they didn't like what they saw.    Absolutely nothing to do with the media because a lot of them believe little of what the media has say already.  So nah, this ain't a partisan or media thing.   It's a parent thing.   Parents are pissed and just protecting their kids from what they view as radical nonsense.

And THAT, pisses off a lot of union, progressive and liberal operatives.   Poor bubba's aren't getting their way.   So soory, so sad ........ NEXT!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4  Tessylo    4 weeks ago

"Claiming it’s an attempt to “   indoctrinate the kids  ,” Republicans are using CRT as a battering ram to not only take over local school boards, but to try to win the Virginia governorship in what is clearly a GOP dress rehearsal for the 2022 midterms. The media remain widely impressed by the strategy, while refusing to note that the entire enterprise is a con ."

All they have, the gop/gqp - are con jobs.  Con artists.  All they got is projection, deflection, and denial.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5  Jeremy Retired in NC    4 weeks ago

It's kind of odd that the left is spending so much time on something that "isn't being taught".

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    4 weeks ago

But it is.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1    4 weeks ago

It is a sad thing. I don't believe that most people would have issue with teaching the truth about our past, but when it goes so far as to blame a white child for the sins of her many generations past relatives...  

I'm all for teaching true history but not for using education to find revenge for the sins of the father. Teach it so that we don't again experience it and to help make the future better..  not not as a vehicle of vengeance.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.1    4 weeks ago
I don't believe that most people would have issue with teaching the truth about our past, but when it goes so far as to blame a white child for the sins of her many generations past relatives...  

Most Americans dont have the slightest idea about the history of racism in America. I was a good history student and I have learned far far more about American history as an adult doing my own investigating than I did in school. The vast majority of Americans dont have an adult interest in history. 

I'll just ask you this question - should kids of an appropriate age be taught that America is historically a racist nation?  The real "argument" we are having is that tens of millions of whites want to behave like racism never existed and we're all good now. 

The people of color whose ancestors, and parents and grandparents, and themselves, who have been the victims of white racism say "hell no, we arent sweeping this under the rug" . So we have this sort of standoff. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1    4 weeks ago

You know that, and well as I.  But for some reason the bumbling fools on the left don't.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    4 weeks ago
should kids of an appropriate age be taught that America is historically a racist nation?

The true history should always be taught, it's appropriate for all ages.  However if you are going to teach that America was a racist nation in the past then you also need to show the strides that America has made in correcting that. We are not the same nation we were 250 years ago. A lot of actions that were permitted even 100 years ago are no longer tolerated today.  Why must we judge history by the standards of today and attempt to hold history accountable for that?

There will always be individuals who are racist, you cannot get rid of that by demanding that all whites acknowledge they are racist. IMO that sort of action only reinforces the believe of the racist that they are correct. The biggest problem I have with this argument is that it's continually pushed as it must be 100% one way or the other,  and if  you are an honest student of history then you must admit that history and this issue is not as black and white as to many try to make it out to be, there are shades of grey in the discussion. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    4 weeks ago
should kids of an appropriate age be taught that America is historically a racist nation?

You keep applying today's standard to something that occurred a century ago.  The application falls flat.  Especially when you look at the demographics of who were held as slaves.  It wasn't just blacks.  There were whites, Native Americans, Asian (Japanese, Chinese, etc.).  Those held as slaves come from all parts of the world.  

Now take into consideration that whites were not the only slave holders.  Why ignore that?  There were black slave holders.  Why are they ignored?  My guess is convenience.  

The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.
In Charleston,  South Carolina in 1860 125 free Negroes owned slaves; six of them owning 10 or more. Of the $1.5 million in taxable property owned by free Negroes in Charleston, more than $300,000 represented slave holdings. In North Carolina 69 free Negroes were slave owners

So yes, lets teach American History in it's entirety.  That whites AND blacks held slaves.  Stop with the bullshit that the US is historically a racist nation.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.4    4 weeks ago

There are tens of millions of white racists in America today. Undoubtedly this racism exists on a scale , on one end you would have the openly racist vocal white supremacist types, and perhaps on the other end you would have people such as those who wont eat at a restaurant if when they walk in they see that there are more than 2 or 3 blacks sitting at the tables eating. (Such people absolutely exist, I know a handful of them. A new pizza place opened in the neighborhood, and I asked a relative if they had gone their yet. He told me that he and his wife and had went there to eat, but when they went inside there were too many blacks inside eating and they left. ) 

There are tens of millions of white racists. It is inevitable, and ordinary, that they will make people of color feel either lesser or unwelcome in certain situations, or discriminated against.  A lot of black people , if they dont get a particular job, will say it is because they were black and the interviewer held that against them. Obviously in many cases this is not true, but it is a perception. The "black community" believes that Colin Kaepernick lost his job in the NFL because he is black, and never got another one because he is black. Is that objectively true, who knows. Until about a week ago the NFL had a policy where black players with cognitive injuries related to on field collisions were paid less in settlements with the league because there was language in the contracts that said that black people have a lower cognitive baseline than whites and so it was presumed the actual football related injury was less, and thus worth less in compensation for injury. Sounds like racism to me. But it has been in play. 

We are going to have in the relatively near future a population that is less than 50% white. it is a total certainty. When this was first announced about 20 years ago it slowly began to freak many whites out. What would happen to them and their culture and their traditions when the society became majority non white? The election of Obama just brought the ascent of people of color even more to the forefront. 

This has been a racist country for hundreds of years. We have to acknowledge it and get the next generation of kids going in the right direction. 

The hangup as I see it is "white privilege" . How can white privilege be explained to people in a way that wont make them go crazy?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.5    4 weeks ago

Your arguments are ridiculous.  Slavery in America was BASED ON RACE. Africans who were slaves , and their descendants , were kept as slaves BECAUSE they were black. It doesnt matter who a handful of the owners were (other blacks) . The slaves were BLACK. (Africans).  It is racism. 

When people make the argument that "well blacks owned slaves too " they are digging their own grave in terms of trying to win an argument. It is very very ignorant. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.5    4 weeks ago
Stop with the bullshit that the US is historically a racist nation.  

I can say with all confidence that you dont know what the hell you are talking about. I would say a lot more but it would be a coc violation. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    4 weeks ago
Your arguments are ridiculous. 

It's only ridiculous if you want to ignore the history of this country and push fiction as truth.  For somebody who claims you did some research, your "knowledge" seems to be missing several key facts and is based on propaganda.  

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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5.1.10  JaneDoe  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.6    4 weeks ago
A new pizza place opened in the neighborhood, and I asked a relative if they had gone their yet. He told me that he and his wife and had went there to eat, but when they went inside there were too many blacks inside eating and they left. ) 

Well you should probably discuss your families racism with them. It all begins at home.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.9    4 weeks ago

Your arguments are ridiculous. The fact that a smattering of non whites owned slaves has no meaning whatsoever concerning racism in America. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.9    4 weeks ago

How many black families actually owned black slaves? I bet it was minuscule compared to the number of white families that owned black slaves

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.12    4 weeks ago

See, like many on the left I gave a link.  All you have to do is read the link I provided and do the math.  

Oh, and you can do your own research.  [deleted  Google is your friend.]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.14  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.12    4 weeks ago

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Whenever someone tells you that slavery wasnt a white/black thing in America because blacks and Indians owned slaves too, you have a dead giveaway to who you are dealing with, if you get my drift. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.13    4 weeks ago

Pardon me, but I was browsing down the thread and didn't really read your comment where you added the link. However, after your rather curt reply I went back and scanned the link.

Your link seems dubious. But you at least provided some proof to back up your claim

 
 
 
charger 383
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5.1.17  charger 383  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.12    4 weeks ago
"How many black families actually owned black slaves? I bet it was minuscule compared to the number of white families that owned black slaves"
that proves if something is allowed people will do it if they can

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1    4 weeks ago

But it's not.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.19  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    4 weeks ago

America is not historically racist, and kids should not be taught the lie that it is.

I can't understand why you keep continuing to perpetuate this ongoing bit of untruth, and seem intent on establishing racial divisiveness and hatred of white people.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.20  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.5    4 weeks ago

Jeremy's source is a far right, anti-semitic and racialist publication called The Barnes Review.  If you click on Jeremys link in his comment, this is what you see

DIXIE'S CENSORED SUBJECT
BLACK SLAVEOWNERS

By Robert M. Grooms

© 1997
(THIS ARTICLE IS COPYRIGHTED AND IS PROVIDED HERE COURTESY OF   THE BARNES REVIEW )

I took a couple minutes to look up The Barnes Review

Barnes Review

Bi-Monthly Magazine
The Barnes Review is a bi-monthly magazine founded in 1994 by Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby and headquartered in Washington, D.C. The Southern Poverty Law Center describes The Barnes Review as "one of the most virulent anti-Semitic organizations around"; the journal and website are "dedicated to historical revisionism and Holocaust denial."
I looked a little at the content on the current Barnes Review webpage
Here they are promoting a book -

White America: The American Racial Problem as Seen in a Worldwide Perspective and Lincoln’s Negro Policy

White America’s theme is two-fold:

First, that the racial destruction of the white race is inescapable in time whenever there is the substantial presence of another race; and, second, that civilization itself cannot survive that destruction.

Here is another promotion of a book

Heroes of the Southern Confederacy

Contemplate the faces, expressions, and clothing of hundreds of men, women, and children in this unique “you-are-there” style book that brings home the realities of Left-wing U.S. President Abraham Lincoln’s attack on the Constitution and the American people – all through rare and faded pictures dating from the Victorian Era (where possible, carefully repaired, cleaned, and enhanced by the author). Feel the pathos of the antebellum, bellum, and postbellum periods come alive as you peruse the searing portraits of traditional Southerners who endured one of the world’s bloodiest, most destructive, and most unnecessary conflicts. Some 156 years after the Confederates stacked arms at Appomattox Court House, the same courage, perseverance, and American values that carried these rugged individuals through Lincoln’s War has reignited patriotic nationwide interest in the Confederate Battle Flag, with a whole new generation now once again supporting the Southern Cause (conservatism).

-

The current issue cover

"The Future For Whites In A Post Trump America"

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and on and on. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.21  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.19    4 weeks ago
America is not historically racist

utter nonsense. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.22  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.20    4 weeks ago

ah-HA! I knew something smelled fishy about that link

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.23  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.20    4 weeks ago

So what?  

Your source is a far left biased dog whistle for triggered leftists and progressives.

One again, you have made no cogent point..

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.24  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.23    4 weeks ago

Dont make a fool out of yourself. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.25  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.24    4 weeks ago

Lol ...... your sophomoric attempts to gaslight people here are hilarious to watch.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.26  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.15    4 weeks ago
But you at least provided some proof to back up your claim

Unlike many on this site.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.27  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.25    4 weeks ago

You are better off when you just banter with people. When you try to get serious you are almost always overmatched. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.28  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.20    4 weeks ago

As you continue with the fiction and half truth propaganda (with no link of course).  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.29  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.26    4 weeks ago

Dude, you posted something that began on an anti-semitic, white racialist web site.  That is not anyone else's problem, that is your problem. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.30  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.20    4 weeks ago
Jeremy's source is a far right, anti-semitic and racialist publication

You do realize you have seeded an article from Crooks and Liars, yes?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.31  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.29    4 weeks ago
That is not anyone else's problem, that is your problem. 

No one but you appears to have any problem at all with the post.

Why is that?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.32  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @5.1.30    4 weeks ago

The stupidity of your comment has me tongue tied. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.33  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.6    4 weeks ago

So you continue to push that this can only be a 100% solution and anything less is not acceptable.  You didn't respond to what I wrote but continued with the push about all those racists in this country.  I tried to say there will always be racists, you will never eliminate all of them. But it seems to me that you are ignoring the good in order to set up the perfect and when dealing with people you will never get perfect.  

As I said, teach all the history but stop pushing that all white people are racists because it's just not true.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.34  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.27    4 weeks ago

Keep it John, it just solidifies your position as lead gaslighter here but ..... it you really want to discuss this and not just cast aspersions intended to simply manipulate other good folks here on NT, by all means, feel free to explain your position.

I really don't expect you to though since you are already so thoroughly defeated all you can muster are immature insults intended to deflect from reality

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.35  Texan1211  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.33    4 weeks ago
As I said, teach all the history but stop pushing that all white people are racists because it's just not true.

Everyone with a functioning brain knows that.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.36  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.29    4 weeks ago
That is not anyone else's problem, that is your problem. 

Sounds like you have a problem with it.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.37  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.31    4 weeks ago

I thought you might not have a problem with a link that leads to a white racialist, anti-semitic website.  Hey, you didnt let me down. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.38  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.36    4 weeks ago

Yes, you posted a link to an article that originated on an extremely questionable website that features anti-semitic and white racialist content. Is there something here that you dont understand? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.39  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.37    4 weeks ago
I thought you might not have a problem with a link that leads to a white racialist, anti-semitic website.  Hey, you didnt let me down.

Wow, that would really mean something if I cared what you think of me.  

Just because some of us don't run around trying to find racism in everything and blame white Americans for everything doesn't mean we have to tolerate those who do.

I just hope one day the race-baiting will cease, but everyday here I see it won't.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.40  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.33    4 weeks ago

I think that what I said is that people of color today are not going to accept whites just saying "its all good" and racism is someone elses problem. 

The statement "all whites are racist" has a subtle meaning that does not claim that every single white person must personally confess to being racist.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.41  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.40    4 weeks ago
The statement "all whites are racist" has a subtle meaning that does not claim that every single white person must personally confess to being racist.

No one MUST confess to anything.

I just wonder why some insist on seeing racism in virtually EVERYTHING.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.42  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.38    4 weeks ago
extremely questionable website

You call MINE questionable after all the questionable "sources" you copy and paste from?  You're merely upset I disproved your fiction and you can't disprove mine.  Your ONLY real attempt at it triggered your TDS and you made it about a former President with a copy and paste with no links.  

Give it a rest John.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.43  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.42    4 weeks ago

You posted somehting that came from an anti semitic and racist website

You lose. 

Now go away. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.44  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.39    4 weeks ago

Your trolling is an insignificant element of newstalkers. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.45  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.40    4 weeks ago

But that's the black or white conversation,  or the 100% solution.  That just won't happen and trying to say that only causes people to go on the defensive.  Not all whites are racist , so to claim it only causes people to try to defend from it.  That's no better than the stupid argument that blacks are too stupid to fly an airplane.  That was widely believed up to WWII but the Tuskegee Airmen were able to shut that down.  It didn't happen all at once but eventually it got better.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.46  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.44    4 weeks ago
Your trolling is an insignificant element of newstalkers. 

And so are your insipid posts and seeds.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.47  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.42    4 weeks ago
You're merely upset I disproved your fiction and you can't disprove mine. 

Blacks owned less than 1/2 of 1% of the slaves. 

Did Black People Own Slaves? | AfricanAmerica.org

On what possible basis does this "prove" your point ?  I assume your point is that slavery was not racist because blacks owned slaves too. 

The Rise Of Race-Based Slavery

The system of basing slavery on a person’s race did   not   occur in the first years of settlement. Race-based slavery began in the mid-1600s. By the 1660s, slavery was reserved for Africans only.

With a series of laws passed from the 1660s to the 1680s, slavery became   codified . With these laws, blacks became slaves for life.

How Slavery Became the Law of the Land "For Blacks Only" - America's Black Holocaust Museum (abhmuseum.org)
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.48  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.43    4 weeks ago

Seems you are the ONLY one that thinks that.  Why?  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.49  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.40    4 weeks ago
The statement "all whites are racist" has a subtle meaning

Oh for fuck's sake.

No John.  It's not subtle at all.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.50  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.47    4 weeks ago
One of the most vexing questions in African-American history is whether free African Americans themselves owned slaves. The short answer to this question, as you might suspect, is yes, Free blacks owned slaves in Boston by 1724 and in Connecticut by 1783; by 1790, 48 black people in Maryland owned 143 slaves. One particularly notorious black Maryland farmer named Nat Butler "regularly purchased and sold Negroes for the Southern trade," Halliburton wrote.

Even your own link supports my post.  It even gives adds about 200 years to it.

The last link you provided come back broken.  I'll take a look at it later on a different system.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.51  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.50    4 weeks ago

You dont understand. It doesnt matter how many blacks owned slaves. Every free black in America could have owned slaves and it still would have been a racist system. 

Have you ever read the declarations of secession by the various southern states that joined the confederacy? Almost all of them have some reference to white supremacy in them. In a famous speech early in 1861, the vice president of the Confederacy , Alexander Stephens says , in plain language that the Confederacy, and thereby the social system that led to the Confederacy, slavery, was based on white supremacy. 

In plain language. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.52  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.51    4 weeks ago
It doesnt matter how many blacks owned slaves. Every free black in America could have owned slaves and it still would have been a racist system. 

What?  Do you hear yourself?  You (finally) posted a link trying to prove your point that only whites held slaves and it turns out your link reinforces my statement then you double down in the moronic idea that it's the fault of racism?  

Have you ever read the declarations of secession by the various southern states that joined the confederacy? 

So what does that say for the states that weren't part of the Confederacy.  States like Pennsylvania, Maine.

Almost all of them have some reference to white supremacy in them.

If you are looking for something hard enough your going to find it.  The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, the Bible.  If you look hard enough for something you'll find it everywhere.  You, John, are looking for it.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.53  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.52    4 weeks ago

On Newstalkers, even the most idiotic statements are considered equal to all the others. 

That probably explains how you are still posting. 

For the last time, the fact that some blacks owned slaves means nothing , nothing, in terms of slavery being a racist institution. Nothing. 

What does mean something is the reasons the southern slave states gave for seceding from the union. All of them mention white supremacy in connection with slavery.  

I cant help you understand history. You have to get to that point on your own. 

This is from the Texas declaration of secession

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable. DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861 A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union. | TSLAC
 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.54  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.53    4 weeks ago

Well, thank God and Republicans that we finally ended the practice of slavery over 150 years ago.

Can we move on to anything but slavery which everyone acknowledges was bad now?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.55  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.53    4 weeks ago
For the last time, the fact that some blacks owned slaves means nothing , nothing, in terms of slavery being a racist institution.

And you expect me to believe you when I've provided a link proving you wrong and YOU provided a link PROVING YOU WRONG?

And you neglected to answer my question.  How does the Constitution of the Confederacy affect states that held slaves that weren't part of the Confederacy?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.56  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.55    4 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
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5.1.57  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.55    4 weeks ago

Your "argument" , to use the word incredibly loosely , is that slavery did not involve racism because some blacks themselves also owned slaves. 

The fact that slavery was racist was in writing for gods sake, in many places, across the country, mostly in the south.  The confederate states each individually stated that slavery was based on race. The Confederate federal government states in its constitution that its slavery was based on race. 

Stop embarrassing Newstalkers with your absurd nonsense. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.58  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.57    4 weeks ago

Nah, what is embarrassing though is how weak the attempted gaslighting is up in here.

You're still pushing that weak-assed sauce John and everyone knows it but you evidently.   

So take your own advice and just stop.   Stop embarrassing yourself.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.59  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.57    4 weeks ago

Why are you still talking?  Both I and YOU proved you wrong.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.60  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.58    4 weeks ago
You're still pushing that weak-assed sauce John

Really, [Deleted] tell me exactly what I have said to Jeremy that is incorrect.  You want to jump into this? Jump into it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.61  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.59    4 weeks ago

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Sparty On
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5.1.62  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.60    4 weeks ago

Insults ,,,,, the tactic of the weak minded .... thought you were better than that John but i stand corrected as you've been carpet bombing this thread with personal insults for days now.

That said, respond to my inquires first and i'll be happy to get into this one after that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.63  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.62    4 weeks ago

Bla bla bla. You evidently have read my exchanges with Jeremy because you are acting like you want to jump in and defend him.

Ok, tell me exactly what I said to Jeremy about slavery that is wrong.  

One of the sad parts of NT is that people like you and Jeremy are free to come on here and spew nonsense and then tell other people they are wrong. That is "freedom of speech" .

It is an embarrassment to this site. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.64  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.63    4 weeks ago

Again,finish our conversation that was pending before Jeremy's and we can move on to Jeremy's after that.

Or you can keep up with the gaslighting/personal insult bonanza you seem to prefer now and continue showing NT just how bigoted and out of touch you really are.

I could care less either way

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.65  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.61    4 weeks ago

So when all else fails (like your argument) you resort to insults.  Not once but twice.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    4 weeks ago

that is one weird comment

 
 
 
Kathleen
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6  Kathleen    4 weeks ago

Kids are learning about it everyday, they hear the whining all the time.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @6    4 weeks ago

who is whining? 

 
 
 
Kathleen
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6.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    4 weeks ago

Seriously?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.1    4 weeks ago

I asked you a question. Either answer it or say you dont know. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    4 weeks ago

You....most of all.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.3    4 weeks ago

lol.  Come out of the peanut gallery Greg and engage. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
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6.1.5  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.2    4 weeks ago

Yes, and I gave you one.

 
 
 
freepress
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7  freepress    4 weeks ago

The media has failed since the Bush era. It has only gotten worse since then. All the fear mongering sponsored by Fox and the Fox wannabe's have failed America by constantly pushing propaganda rather than reality.

This is a college level course taught primarily in law school and EVERY single actual journalist and pundit should be calling it out, proving it and saying so on every outlet.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.1  Greg Jones  replied to  freepress @7    4 weeks ago

Versions of it are being taught in schools all over the country.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.2  MrFrost  replied to  freepress @7    4 weeks ago

Fox tells them what to hate and they hate it, they don't even know what it is..

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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7.2.1  Jack_TX  replied to  MrFrost @7.2    4 weeks ago

Far less than 1% of America actually watches Fox News.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @7.2.1    4 weeks ago

Not sure where you are getting that information , but it is wrong. 

They say Fox News averages 2.5 million viewers for its four prime time shows. 

So that is at least 2.5 million people, but most likely quite a few more than that, unless we conclude that the same 2.5 million people watch ALL four shows every night. That is extremely unlikely. 

Then there is daytime. Their morning show Fox and Friends averages more than a million people viewing every day. The afternoon show the Five has the same kind of numbers. The other day time shows add up to another couple million.

The only way less than 1% of Americans watch Fox News is if the same exact 2.5 million people watch it 16 hours a day and no one else ever does. That is extremely unlikely to say the least. 

I would guess there are 20 million unique viewers that drop into watch Fox News at some point during a weeks programming , at least.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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7.2.3  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.2    4 weeks ago

So you're going to ignore data in favor of your own "guess".

In general, almost nobody watches cable news anymore.  

I find it a curious phenomenon that it seems the more ardently liberal a person is, the more likely they are to both watch Fox News and refuse to believe that not everyone else is also.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8  Nerm_L    4 weeks ago

As usual, the left is rewriting its own history to lie about what the left has done.  It was the left that used the label Critical Race Theory to label the anti-racism nonsense being imposed on schools.  The label CRT was intended to impart academic authority to what the left was demanding be taught.

CRT is just more phony Black outrage intended to blame white people for the failures of the lefts' racial politics.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @8    4 weeks ago

It's the Lenin/Goebbels school of propaganda.

"Tell a lie enough times, it becomes the truth."

When one one points that out to them, that's when one of their next favorite tactics usually comes out:

Gaslighting  ....

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Sparty On @8.1    4 weeks ago
It's the Lenin/Goebbels school of propaganda.

"Tell a lie enough times, it becomes the truth."

When one one points that out to them, that's when one of their next favorite tactics usually comes out:

Gaslighting  ....

How would white middle school parents even hear of arcane academic legal scholarship by a few Black law professors?  Critical Race Theory is far, far from mainstream in legal education.

The looney left had this bright idea that teaching young children about racism was somehow anti-racist.  Somehow making young children feel guilty over something they knew nothing about was going to end racism.  Even a tiny amount of common sense should tell us that teaching young children about racism will only revive and perpetuate racism.  

Trying to make an eight year old child feel guilty about racism is the epitome of gaslighting.  The looney left pushing the idea of teaching anti-racism nonsense in primary school are actually child abusers.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @8.1.1    4 weeks ago

The COVID effect.  

More parents were forced to FINALLY paid more attention to what their children were being taught.

A silver lining to the Pandemic if you will.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.2    4 weeks ago
The COVID effect.  

More parents were forced to FINALLY paid more attention to what their children were being taught.

A silver lining to the Pandemic if you will.

That's an interesting thought.  You may be right.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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9  Sparty On    4 weeks ago

Any supposition that some school systems today are not trying to indoctrinate kids, rather than simply teach them, is grossly disingenuous.

No matter how many times some of you try to tell that lie, it still won't be true.

Any good parent knows that, because most of them aren't stupid and they won't give their kids to your triggered hatred.  

No good parent would.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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10  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

Andrew Sullivan summed up CRT quite nicely:

The goal of education of children this young is to cement the notion at the most formative age that America is at its core an oppressive racist system uniquely designed to exploit, harm, abuse, and even kill the non-white. This can be conveyed in easy terms, by training kids to see themselves first and foremost as racial avatars, and by inculcating in them a sense of their destiny as members of the oppressed or oppressor classes in the zero-sum struggle for power that is American society in 2021.

Let me draw an analogy to another kind of education. In Catholic kindergarten, kids are not taught Aquinas, the debates about the Trinity in the early church, or the intricacies of transubstantiation. But they are taught that they were created by God, in his image, and that they should love one another. All of this is part of Catholicism. But the former is abstract and esoteric; the latter is the practical, downstream application of these truths — accessible to children, to direct their morality. As they grow up, they will learn more. But it is all part of the same system of faith and thought. Its words and values resonate throughout it all: love, compassion, sin, forgiveness, dignity, God, heaven. 

Similarly with CRT, impenetrable academic discourse at the elite level is translated to child-friendly truisms, with the same aim — to change behavior. And so the notion that the most important thing about a child is that she is white, and this makes her part of an oppressive system purposely designed to hurt her new friend, who is black, is how this comes out in an actual real-life scenario. And she has to account for her indelible “whiteness”, just as Catholic kids have to account for their sins. CRT has its own words and values, and they are instilled from the beginning: racism, systems, intersectionality, hegemony, oppression, whiteness, privilege, cisgender, and “doing the work,” as CRT convert Dr. Jill Biden would say."

 
 
 
Moose Knuckle
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11  Moose Knuckle    4 weeks ago

This article highlights the problems in rationale and race in the minds of the far left. Teaching children white kids are inherently racist does a great job as an example of racism. No one is inherently racist or evil. 

We are seeing the woke CRT crowd of white lefties demand segregated dorms and classrooms and clubs? It's nothing more than Jim Crow rebranded and another perfect example of racism. We need to integrate and teach our children we are all equal all the time. Equality should be the foundation we base this discussion on.

People are fighting to enter our southern border, not because America is racist but because we are while not perfect more tolerant and less racist than most places on this planet. We have made significant progress and will continue to do so.

The woke movement failed and actually has fostered racism and division. It is not who we are or who we will ever be.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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12  MrFrost    4 weeks ago

800

 
 
 
Sparty On
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12.1  Sparty On  replied to  MrFrost @12    4 weeks ago

No, they are opposed to trying to make their kids and their grandkids feel guilty and/or responsible for it.   Because they aren't guilty for it and neither are their parents or grandparents.

Real history informs but doesn't attempt to indoctrinate.   HUGE difference between those two things.

Recent elections bear that out ...... CRT in schools is screwed.   As it should be.

 
 
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