And the Prosecution Rests
It was in August of 2020 that the George Floyd riots came to Kenosha, Wisconsin. (One of the most important swing districts in the state.) Kenosha marked a turning point because it was then that the establishment began to realize that the riots had the potential to damage Biden's electoral chances. CNN's Don Lemon had noted: "It's showing up in polling...it's showing up in focus groups." Despite the media's concern, the Kenosha riots dominated the news after two people were killed while attacking an armed 17 year old who was running away from the mob. This past Monday a strange thing happened in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse. That was the day that the prosecution put it's star witness on the stand. Gaige Grosskreutz took the witness stand in the trial of Rittenhouse, who is charged with homicide and felony charges in the shooting deaths of Anthony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum and in the wounding of Grosskreutz.
Gaige Grosskreutz, paramedic, rioter and star witness.
The defense began their cross-examination:
“It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him… that he fired, right?” defense attorney Corey Chirafisi asked Grosskreutz.
“Correct,” said Grosskreutz. He tried to claim at another point that he wasn’t intentionally pointing the gun.
So here we have the prosecution's star witness demolishing the prosecution's case.
Grosskreutz admitting pointing a gun at Rittenhouse when Rittenhouse shot him.
The picture used by the defense team:
Grosskreutz had initially had his hands raised in the air when he ran over to and towered over a sitting Rittenhouse. Then he quickly pulled out a handgun and pointd it at Rittenhouse's head. It was then that Rittenhouse fired in self defense. The reason Rittenhouse was on the ground was because he had just been attacked with a skateboard weilded by Anthony Huber, one of the two men killed on that violent night. The leftist media has attempted to manipulate public opinion in this trial.
The question here was what was the prosecution thinking? Didn't they know that Grosskreutz had a gun pointed at Rittenhouse's head when he was shot? Or did they simply think they were going to get an easy conviction despite the facts via the media?
Under Wisconsin law, a person is allowed to use deadly force in self defense if "necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm."
We shall see.
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Can anyone be non-partisan in this trial?
Prolly be a hung jury
Do you think that extremists find their way on to juries?
The DC jury pool comes to mind.
My guess is the latter. I think their case fell apart with the video evidence then was destroyed by the testimony of their own witnesses. Unfortunately there are many who don't (or have the inability to) understand this.
He should never have been charged, and only was as a sop to the frenzy created by dishonest media coverage and the inflammatory actions of democratic politicians, who used all sorts of reckless and dishonest language to demonize a 17 year old. Rittenhouse fed their narrative, so the facts didn’t matter.
Hopefully, the criminal actions of left wing terrorists to intimidate the jury and deny justice are for naught and rittenhouse goes home a free man. And once it does, rittenhouse should file defamation suits against a couple democratic members of the house, who exploited this situation to enflame the hatred of their dumber fellow progressives and further their goal of dividing the country.
Spot on Sean. Spot on.
I would suspect there are several lawyers who are already champing at the bit to represent Rittenhouse in those defamation suits. And I think when this trial ends he's going to need to file them as I doubt if he's ever gonna get his life back to any sort of normal, the notoriety of this is going to inhibit his ability to do anything else.
I'm also very concerned about the aftereffects in Kenosha when the trial ends. We've heard the reports of jury members being photographed and video taped, there are reports of Antifa already promoting violence unless Rittenhouse is found guilty... I'm worried the riots after an acquittal could be worse than the rioting that occurred last summer. Kind of glad I don't have any family / friends who live in Kenosha right now.
That's why I keep saying that reading is important.
The pressure on the jury is tremendous. They know if they do the right thing, violence may result in the community and they themselves might be in danger. And the scumbag left wing activists sure seem to be trying to drive that point home to them.
That's a very sad commentary on the subject. Do you honestly think I cannot be concerned and worried about potential riots and violence to the citizens and city of Kenosha if the trial ends in an acquittal? Just because I'm not in lock-step with the far left and their fascist policies doesn't mean I cannot be a decent and caring human being. To insult feelings of compassion is quite telling.
I won't bother providing you any links because you've stated many times in the past that you won't bother to read them anyway.
so will you actually discuss this or just dismiss it or downplay the site as biased?
Yes, but sometimes I can be silly as it's sometimes enjoyable. I've provided the links I was talking about. What are the odds they are either not read, are ignored, or dismissed as right-wing biased sites not worthy of discussion? My guess is #2 but #3 is right behind it.
Technically that would be #4 as #3 is the dismissing the news sites as right-wing propaganda outright. But yes, it is crazy the lengths some people will go to justify their positions.
You are doing a great job of making yourself the subject.
Will admit you are deflecting from the topic wonderfully.
All you have proven is that you did not go to the links and read the full article. All you have done is ignore, deflect and refuse anything that is outside of your belief. That's why I initially didn't want to provide links, you don't go to them anyway. There is one word in your reply there however that is truthful. It is useless to try to engage you in a conversation as you refuse to acknowledge anything provided except to ridicule it.
To paraphrase one of my favorite movies...
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means
In which Cortez Rice ...
and later on in the story..
So while Rice didn't come out and state it but other commentators have, isn't that evidence of a potential threat against jurors unless Rittenhouse is found guilty?
It really seems that you did not read that link as you are ignoring or denying what is written in there.
Congrats, dismissing the second link just because it's from Fox News. Not everything posted on that site is a lie, I do wish you would stop portraying it that way. Had you actually read that link you would have seen the reply from the police department.
Ok, I've learned my lesson. You have no desire to discuss things. Guess I'll just stop as your mind is made up and you will continue to ignore anything that doesn't fit in with your world view. I won't bother responding to you any more.
Just put her ignore. That's the best way to treat trolls
Or do it the old school way and just ignore it.
Works great as well .....
Worked for me. Unfortunately that means 75% of the comments section is grayed out. Not that any of it has to do with the actual seed or conversation.
BUT that was supposedly "made up" by me yesterday .....
That's where a responsible justice system should be focused, along with prosecuting BLM members. That's not going to happen yet.
He killed a pedo, a wife beater and blew the bicep off a communist. Where should we put his statue?
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Ah, nothing like good old fashioned death wishing on a Wednesday morning...
Ah yes, nothing like a little partisan overreaction to hyperbole to start off your afternoon.
So pointing out people cheering on killing is partisan?
Call me the king of partisanship.
No problem .... you are the king of partisanship. Happy?
You were not so "upset" by all the death threats toward Trump and conservatives the last five years, that were not intended to be hyperbole.
So yeah, you're busted.
I sure as hell didn't see them here.
Lol .... well of course you didn't. First of all you'd have to be looking for them and second (and more importantly) you'd have to admit now that you did see them.
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You can defend what you have done and said all day long.
Proves to me who the real partisan is here.
Keep on defending making threats against people.
Very becoming, if not typical for some people.
Already have, any unbiased viewer who has been here for more than five minutes knows what i'm talking about
You are ..... the self appointed King of Partisans
I'm not but keep spinning
Yeah, the truth hurts but the sting will leave you, sooner if you repent for your weak little spin-job
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I hope he will be able to keep it together after the acquittal and the millions start to pour in from the libel suits against CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the MSM.
Rittenhouse is testifying in his own defense now. They had to take 10 minute recess as he broke down crying when rehashing the events of that night.
This kid is going to be famous when he walks for the clean shoots. Songs will be written about him! LEGEND!
The legend lives on from the liberals on down
Of the shooter who got off named Rittenhouse
The liberals it's said only wish he'd of plead
When the prosecution of Kyle turned gloomy
......
i heard that as gordon lightfoot ...
Good catch
The defense just turned over Rittenhouse to the prosecutors for cross examination. The cross began by confronting him that he wanted to kill these people. Then the prosecutor just blew another question on why he arranged for the purchase of an AR-15 rather than a pistol or a shotgun.
The judge just slapped down the prosecutor correctly for his questioning on the law etc. The prosecutor just moved to strike the answer to his own question based on hearsay. However, the judge admonished him that his questioning is eliciting irrelevant answers.
This prosecutor will be in traffic court for years after this.
Meanwhile the Judge was so bored by the weak prosecution he was looking at cookie porn.
I am surprised the judge hasn't tossed the case yet. He has far more patience for mighty mental midgets than I do. I would have called the prosecution to the stand and given him the WTF talk on why he is wasting everyone's time a long time ago.
He just made the jury leave because the prosecutor is headed down the wrong road. Judge is really pissed!!!!
Never ever piss off a judge...lol
You bet! This prosecutor (Binger) is what first comes to mind when we think of lawyers.
Just another liberal who doesn't understand legal gun ownership or guns in general.
Way too many of them took up Law.
Rittenhouse will sue for malicious prosecution. Is he a minor? He can sue the media too like that MAGA hat kid did.
Again, the lying corrupt progressive media will lose.
Rittenhouse was defamed like the maga hat kid on a dozen MSM sites, he's already lawyered up for that. I expect huge undisclosed settlements from CNN, WAPO and many others for calling him a White supremacist when it's been completely debunked already.
Good, hope he bankrupts them.
The judge is losing patience with the prosecutor. All you have to do is listen to the prosecutor's tone to know what he is.
The jury is listening as well ...... the guy is grasping at straws because has no case.
A year from now he'll be manning phones in a legal boiler room for Round Up litigation.
He's trying to trap the kid.
A year from now he'll be manning phones in a legal boiler room for Round Up litigation.
Maybe he can join his hero - Andrew Weissmann in hell.
I was surprised to read this morning that the defense was still going to have Rittenhouse take the stand. After the poor job the prosecutor did I didn't think there was that much to gain by doing so. I believe Vic is right, the prosecutor knows he's lost the case so now he's just trying to trap the kid so they have something to use against him.
i saw that and thought ,"mistake " but it was totally worth it to see the prosecutor being bitchslapped by the judge and being moved from incompetent to inept catagory .
my view is now the prosecutor is going to act like the pigeon playing chess ..... knock over all the pieces ignore all the rules, crap all over the board , and strut around thinking he won ....
Trial to resume in about an hour
I haven’t been following the testimony, so maybe this has been covered, but self-defense fails as a defense if you create the situation. In other words, if you go looking for trouble, and you kill someone, you may not get to claim self-defense.
So, it’s possible that even though someone was pointing a gun at him, the jury may just see a bully getting what he deserved, as opposed to an innocent defending himself. I’m not saying he’s one or the other. I’m just pointing out that the exchange in this story does not necessarily kill the prosecution’s case.
thats where burden of proof comes in , to make that determination , one has to prove it and usually beyond a reasonable doubt . usually the one that is the aggressor is the one seen as in the wrong when it comes to the self defense plea. if someone is the main antagonist and agressively is pursuing another , and then kills or injures another , self defense is not applicable and a stretch to attempt ..
He ran away. The pursuers created the fatal confrontations.
In Conclusion:
The lead prosecutor against Kyle Rittenhouse is Thomas Binger, a Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney. He graduated from the University of Michigan with a law degree in 1996. Thus far he has coached a witness, attempted to deny the defendent's right to remain silent and disregarded a Judge's instructions. His underhanded tactics have alienated the Judge and has the defense on the verge of filing for a mistrial with prejudice.
Lessons:
We have now seen what a modern American Law School like the University of Michigan has produced and it is disturbing.
What is more disturbing is that after all the mayhem and violence that took place in Kenosha last summer it took a local DA only 48 hours to indict a kid who was trying to defend himself.
Prognosis:
Well, what do you think forewoman?
"Rittenhouse walks!"
Evidently the prosecution wanted to show a drone video that contradicts part of Rittenhouses story. The judge agreed with the defense objection based on what appears to be a ludicrous basis. (That an enlargement of the video so the jury could see it would distort the image.)
The judge has shown consistent pro defense bias and this was predicted before the trial even started. The judge is a known eccentric.
Grosskreutz admitted he was shot after pointing a gun at Rittenhouse's head. How does the judge's personality change that?
interesting thoughts john , on one hand , the system is biased , and on the other you state that the case handed to the prosecutor , didnt meet the burder of going beyond a reasonable doubt . and basically said the prosecutor had to play the hand dealt him .
i posit that the prosecutor did have a choice in what charges to pursue , they all do after all , because they have to weigh the evidence they have in front of them and decide if its winable or not . this guy chose wrong , and was not afforded the opertunity to go shopping for a more "favorable " judge .
choosing charges to go after based on public opinion and outcry rarely work out , going after charges based on what the evidence proves , is simply common sense .
we see this at play here currently .
They are prosecuting Rittenhouse because he was a vigilante that shot three people. The justice system cannot condone that with inaction.
something they have not met the burden of proof for , and the evidence has shown otherwise and whom the true "vigilantes " were that night .
And all they had to do was prove the film was what they said it was - an enlargement .... and the judge would have allowed it.
I didn't miss a thing John.
Help me out John, which witness testified that he was a vigilante?
Lol. If he was a vigilante, he would have shot Rosenbaum for molesting kids. What he did isn't vigilantism in any sense of the word.
those that demand a conviction , even without sufficient grounds will have to have someone to blame , whomever or whatever is convienient at the time , the flailing and blame game is only starting .
Kyle Rittenhouse: Judge Ringtone Mtches Trump's Rally Song
4 hours ago · Judge Schroeder’s phone rings in the middle of the Rittenhouse trial, and it just happens to be the theme song from the Trump rallies when he walks on stage.
flailing and grasping is sooooo unbecoming , but if thats all thats left .....
What the hell are you talking about?
The judge is obviously biased in favor of the defendant. The fact that the judge has Trump music playing on his phone is just another point in that direction.
The leftist media have taken Rittenhouse’s guilt as an article of faith for over a year. The facts say otherwise.
to quote you from numerous other discussions from all the years past ..... its a nothing burger .... that is exactly what your post and observation is .
Twist the fuck out of it JR.
That it happened to be a very patriotic song, used by Trump or not. FFS But Trump SMMFH
That's so funny! Lee Greenwood's song had great popularity in the 1980s and had a rebirth after 9/11/2001 ... two and three DECADES BEFORE Trump used it for his 2016 and 2020 campaigns!
with so much being said about how these individuals were gunned down , here is what was being dealt with .
Joseph Rosenbaum & Anthony Huber Criminal Records Explored (wisconsinrightnow.com)
after reading that its not hard to believe the defenses case and depiction of what happened .
More on huber that was brought out without the jury hearing it by defense .
nypost.com/2021/11/05/kyle-rittenhouses-lawyer-says-victim-anthony-huber-has-violent-past/
and i am suppose to believe all 3 of these "men" somehow on this one night , decided to turn from their past ways and become upstanding citizens ?
im more likely to believe they adhered to what worked for them in the past before getting caught .
Looks to me rittenhouse did this country a favor.
"Well, I think any time you see your would-be murderer on the stand, it’s emotional," Grosskreutz said on ABC's "Good Morning America."
Holy shit - this dumb ass is doing his own TV trial too? Binger must have shoved his head all the way in the toilet after that.