Biden on leaked Supreme Court abortion opinion: 'A woman's right to choose is fundamental'

  

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By:   Justice Samuel Alito (YahooNews)

Biden on leaked Supreme Court abortion opinion: 'A woman's right to choose is fundamental'
President Biden on Tuesday released a lengthy statement in response to the leak of a draft opinion that suggests the U.S. Supreme Court is poised to overturn Roe v. Wade.

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Dylan Stableford May 3, 2022, 9:57 AM·2 min readSummary Summary

  • President Biden on Tuesday released a lengthy statement in response to the leak of a draft opinion that suggests the U.S. Supreme Court is poised to overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that legalized abortion nationwide.
  • "We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Alito writes, referencing the 1992 Planned Parenthood v. Casey case that reaffirmed Roe.
  • "It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's elected representatives."
  • "First, my administration argued strongly before the Court in defense of Roe v. Wade," Biden continued.

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  • Joe Biden46th and current president of the United States
  • Samuel AlitoAssociate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States

A crowd of people gather outside the Supreme Court on Monday night after publication of a draft opinion suggesting that the nation's high court is poised to overturn Roe v. Wade. (AP Photo/Anna Johnson)

President Biden on Tuesday released a lengthy statement in response to the leak of a draft opinion that suggests the U.S. Supreme Court is poised to overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that legalized abortion nationwide.

On Monday night, Politico published the draft of a majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito in which he states that "Roe was egregiously wrong from the start."

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"We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Alito writes, referencing the 1992 Planned Parenthood v. Casey case that reaffirmed Roe. "It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's elected representatives."

"We do not know whether this draft is genuine, or whether it reflects the final decision of the Court," Biden said in his statement. "With that critical caveat, I want to be clear on three points about the cases before the Supreme Court.

President Biden delivers remarks at the memorial service of former Vice President Walter Mondale in Minneapolis on Sunday. (Photo by Nicholas Kamm/AFP via Getty Images)

"First, my administration argued strongly before the Court in defense of Roe v. Wade," Biden continued. "We said that Roe is based on 'a long line of precedent recognizing 'the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty'… against government interference with intensely personal decisions.' I believe that a woman's right to choose is fundamental, Roe has been the law of the land for almost fifty years, and basic fairness and the stability of our law demand that it not be overturned.

"Second, shortly after the enactment of Texas law SB 8 and other laws restricting women's reproductive rights, I directed my Gender Policy Council and White House Counsel's Office to prepare options for an Administration response to the continued attack on abortion and reproductive rights, under a variety of possible outcomes in the cases pending before the Supreme Court. We will be ready when any ruling is issued.

"Third, if the Court does overturn Roe, it will fall on our nation's elected officials at all levels of government to protect a woman's right to choose. And it will fall on voters to elect pro-choice officials this November. At the federal level, we will need more pro-choice Senators and a pro-choice majority in the House to adopt legislation that codifies Roe, which I will work to pass and sign into law."

  • Joe Biden46th and current president of the United States
  • Samuel AlitoAssociate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States

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JBB
Professor Principal
1  seeder  JBB    3 weeks ago

President Biden will defend our reproductive rights...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @1    3 weeks ago
President Biden will defend our reproductive rights...

Oh?

Will he overturn a decision by SCOTUS?

Will he pass legislation?

WHAT will Joe do?

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
1.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    3 weeks ago

He'll write another EO...   

Not like he's shown a lot of leadership so far as to getting laws passed..  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
He'll write another EO...   

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JBB
Professor Principal
1.1.3  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    3 weeks ago

President Biden will rally voters to defeat the damn gop in November's midterm elections...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @1.1.3    3 weeks ago
President Biden will rally voters to defeat the damn gop in November's midterm elections...

With everything going so swell for the Biden Administration (plenty of job creation, rising wages, spectacularly high inflation, control of the border, etc.) why would there be any need to 'rally" Democrats?

Are you afraid that the Biden economy you touted as wonderful isn't as rosy as you tried to get people to believe?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @1.1.3    3 weeks ago
President Biden will rally voters

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Right Down the Center
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1.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1    3 weeks ago
WHAT will Joe do?

Have an ice cream, take a nap and forget about it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @1.1.3    3 weeks ago
President Biden will rally voters

He should have some political capital to do that.   

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.4    3 weeks ago
Are you afraid that the Biden economy you touted as wonderful isn't as rosy as you tried to get people to believe?

But, but, but....Putin

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.1.9  squiggy  replied to  JBB @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

He's already famous for one rally.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1    3 weeks ago

These alleged conservatives/hypocrites appear to believe they've got 2022 and 2024 in the bag!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 weeks ago
These alleged conservatives/hypocrites appear to believe they've got 2022 and 2024 in the bag!

You are setting yourself for a severe case of disappointment come November.

Keep ignoring history and polls to your own detriment.

 
 
 
JBB
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1.2.2  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

About 75% of voters support abortion rights!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @1.2.2    3 weeks ago
About 75% of voters support abortion rights!

perhaps, but most voters aren't one-issue voters unless it comes to their wallets.

I believe I have explained this to you several times now.

 
 
 
JBB
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1.2.4  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.3    3 weeks ago

More like voters hand the gop another defeat!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @1.2.4    3 weeks ago
More like voters hand the gop another defeat!

We will see in November.

i hope you are hanging around after the midterms prove how wrong you are on all of this.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.2.6  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.5    3 weeks ago

Why worry? You called last elections wrong...

The gop might have made small gain in the November midterms, but not anymore now.!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @1.2.6    3 weeks ago
Why worry? You called last elections wrong...

Actually, I didn't.

Please stop trying to argue stuff you claim I have done but haven't---or at LEAST back your idiotic claims UP with some quotes--and since we both already know how THAT will go--JUST STOP.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @1.2.2    3 weeks ago
About 75% of voters support abortion rights!

About 75% support enforcing immigration laws at the border too, but I don't see you crying about Democrats doing virtually nothing about it, so what exactly is your point?

BTW, the Court's job isn't to rule like the majority wants, and some of us learned that in school many, many years ago.

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.2.9  squiggy  replied to  JBB @1.2.2    3 weeks ago
About 75% of voters support abortion rights!

I'm guessing that less than half of the Supreme Court senses that.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 weeks ago
conservatives/hypocrites appear to believe they've got 2022 and 2024 in the bag!

That belief seems to be shared by many on the left.  I believe Chuck Todd said "We already know where the midterms are headed at this point, it's either going to be bad or catastrophic," just a couple of weeks ago.  Unless this issue turns out to be important enough to voters so that it overrides all other issues there is no reason to believe that is going to change too much. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @1.2.2    3 weeks ago
About 75% of voters support abortion rights!

How many of those people do you think will ignore all other issues and vote based on that alone?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.2.10    3 weeks ago

yea, yea, yea

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.13  Right Down the Center  impassed  Tessylo @1.2.12    3 weeks ago
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devangelical
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1.2.14  devangelical  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.2.11    3 weeks ago
How many of those people do you think will ignore all other issues and vote based on that alone?

... uh... thumpers?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.3    3 weeks ago
perhaps, but most voters aren't one-issue voters unless it comes to their wallets.

You don't think the cost of additional children will effect their wallets? 

You don't think the cost of having to travel to a state that supports women's right to get an abortion will effect their wallet?

There were 862,000 abortions performed, in the US, in 2017 and around 630,000 in 2019.  That's a LOT of wallets being effected every year.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.2.14    3 weeks ago
"How many of those people do you think will ignore all other issues and vote based on that alone?"

"... uh... thumpers?"

Have I told you lately that I love you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.17  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.15    3 weeks ago

630000 voters spread out over 50 states is nothing more than a statistical blip.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.18  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.17    3 weeks ago
630000 voters spread out over 50 states is nothing more than a statistical blip.

Ah, back to the republican motto?  

Republican motto =

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Texan1211
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1.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.18    3 weeks ago
Ah, back to the republican motto? 

No, that is what is known as a statistic. Perhaps you have heard of them before?

I really fail to see how anyone can confuse the two things, but whatever, I guess. 

If you don't have yours, I suggest you get it.

That way Republicans will stop picking on you.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.20  Right Down the Center  impassed  devangelical @1.2.14    3 weeks ago
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Ozzwald
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1.2.21  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.19    3 weeks ago
No, that is what is known as a statistic.

So they do not exist as people to you?  Telling.  And fits right along with the republican motto.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.22  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.21    3 weeks ago
So they do not exist as people to you? 

Is that what I wrote and what you read?

Telling.

It is always telling when people invent stuff they wish others had said and then pathetically and weakly try to argue their inventions instead of what actually was stated.

Telling, indeed.

Tells me that those who engage in such immature practices are devoid of a logical argument on the merits and reduced to sniveling about stuff no one says. Intellectually dishonest and lazy.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.23  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.22    3 weeks ago
Is that what I wrote and what you read?

Yes

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.24  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.23    3 weeks ago

QUOTE ME THEN.

FOR ONCE, BACK YOUR WILD-ASSED CLAIMS UP.

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.3  squiggy  replied to  JBB @1    3 weeks ago

"...the harm and violence that will happen to people who become pregnant in this country.”"

is from NWLC. Can't any of you PCs say WOMEN?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  squiggy @1.3    3 weeks ago
Can't any of you PCs say WOMEN?

Perhaps their definition of a woman is fluid ?

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Tessylo
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1.4  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1    3 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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1.4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1.4    3 weeks ago

Who does?

 
 
 
gooseisback
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1.5  gooseisback  replied to  JBB @1    3 weeks ago
President Biden will defend our reproductive rights...

He also said he gave Javelin Missiles to the Russians!. 

 
 
 
JBB
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2  seeder  JBB    3 weeks ago

Here I sit my buns a flexin giving birth to another Texan.

original

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2    3 weeks ago

Be strong.

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Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    3 weeks ago

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JBB
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @3    3 weeks ago

Making terminations illegal does not mean that there will necessarily be less abortions because the demand for termination services is dictated by the incidence of unwanted pregnancies. Making most abortions illegal will just result in more back alley abortions and more women dying as the result...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @3.1    3 weeks ago
Making terminations illegal does not mean that there will necessarily be less abortions because the demand for termination services is dictated by the incidence of unwanted pregnancies. Making most abortions illegal will just result in more back alley abortions and more women dying as the result.

I am sure blue states will pass new abortion laws.

And liberals will donate to get access to abortion for those forced to live in (gasp!) states that don't allow abortions.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.2  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Except, the damn gop in Congress is already plotting to use this decision to pass a national ban on all abortions. Which should be enough to get enough votes to decimate the goppers!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

They are?  Link please.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    3 weeks ago
Except, the damn gop in Congress is already plotting to use this decision to pass a national ban on all abortions.

Well, gee, let's look at the FACT.

Fact: The GOP doesn't have the majority in the House or Senate--and you have assured all that NO WAY the GOP can win in November, so why the angst?

Are you SO unsure of your glorious predictions for the midterms that you aren't confident that a Democratic majority (which you have insisted will be in place after the midterms) can't manage to stop the minority from passing legislation?

That make ZERO sense.

That or you must believe the Democratic Party to be bumbling FOOLS, incapable of passing their own legislation while in the majority and too inept to prevent the minority from running roughshod over them.

Which is it now?

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.5  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.4    3 weeks ago

That is why the gop must be defeated in Nov!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

Lol, hang on tight to that pipe dream, it may be of comfort when the Democrats lose their trifecta!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @3.1.5    3 weeks ago
That is why the gop must be defeated in Nov!

Why is that again?

Our gas prices are not high enough?

Our border does not leak enough?

Inflation is not high enough?

World war 3 has not started yet?

The US is not a laughing stock enough because with all the problems we want to focus on pronouns?

Because the indoctrination of our children is not complete?

Joe still has lots of bumbling left in his tank?

Not enough parents have been arrested as domestic terrorists?

Not enough people have been silenced or canceled for "disinformation"

All the above?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.7    3 weeks ago

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Right Down the Center
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3.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.8    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
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3.1.10  Tessylo  impassed  Right Down the Center @3.1.9    3 weeks ago
 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.9    3 weeks ago

What Does the Bible Really Say About Abortion?

The Bible isn’t ‘pro-life’ — and the Old Testament God isn’t ‘more violent’ than the New one

The problem with trying to use the bible to prove pro-life is that the bible (and christian god) are very pro-abortion.  And no, I do not mean pro-choice, I mean pro-abortion (forced abortion against the woman's choice).

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.11    3 weeks ago

I guess I should have made it clear. That was the Democrat Jesus. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.13  Ozzwald  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.12    3 weeks ago
I guess I should have made it clear. That was the Democrat Jesus.

I guess I should have made it clear.  THAT WAS THE BIBLE'S JESUS.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.15  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.13    3 weeks ago

I posted it as the Democrat Jesus in response to a post of the Republican Jesus.  Not my problem if you don't get it.   

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.15    3 weeks ago

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devangelical
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4  devangelical    3 weeks ago

any woman that supports this SCOTUS decision deserves to be treated like a 2nd class citizen.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @4    3 weeks ago
any woman that supports this SCOTUS decision deserves to be treated like a 2nd class citizen.

Sure, now misogyny is cool and perfectly acceptable if you don't agree with a woman on something!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @4    3 weeks ago
any woman that supports this SCOTUS decision deserves to be treated like a 2nd class citizen.

THERE IT IS!!!!!!!  There is the tolerance and acceptance we have come to know from the left! 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.2.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    3 weeks ago

Is the left taking away our hard earned rights?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @4.2.1    3 weeks ago

And what does that have to do with my comment?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    3 weeks ago

Is he not entitled to his opinion? You have never showed intolerance for people? You currently have a seed up that suggests you find the people of Kenosha lacking in good sense....

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.3    3 weeks ago
Is he not entitled to his opinion?

I'd expect a comment to deal with SOMETHING I said.  In this case, it doesn't.

You have never showed intolerance for people?

Only when they try to kill me.  

You currently have a seed up that suggests you find the people of Kenosha lacking in good sense.

They ARE lacking good sense.  But that's not for this seed.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.4    3 weeks ago

You show an amazing lack of tolerance for liberals

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.5    3 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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4.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.6    3 weeks ago

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Right Down the Center
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4.2.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.6    3 weeks ago

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Raven Wing
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4.2.9  Raven Wing  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.5    3 weeks ago
You show an amazing lack of tolerance for liberals

No surprise there. The 'party of Lincoln' has become the potty of Trump, and their worship, or perhaps fear, of Trump will come back to haunt them in the near future.

However, it is true that not all Republicans have sold their souls to Trump, and they will soon retake their party and regain the ideals and respect the party once had. Failing that, there will be a new party to take its place that will see the end of the Potty of Trump and will represent the real Republican policies and ideals.

I was once a Republican, but, no longer am due to the disgusting deterioration of the original party's support of America and its people, and what is best for both. I look forward to the day the Potty of Trump and his ass wipes are no longer a threat to our country.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.2.10  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.3    3 weeks ago
Is he not entitled to his opinion?

That people deserve to be treated like second class citizens because they see an issue differently than he does?

Seriously?  You're defending that bullshit?  WTF?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.10    3 weeks ago

Hey, it's a new world, where misogyny is acceptable and cheered on if practiced against any woman opposing liberal views on anything.

It's kind of like how calling someone an Uncle Tom isn't racist if the person is a conservative black.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.2.12  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.11    3 weeks ago

A more popular term today is "Race Traitors"

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @4.2.12    3 weeks ago

No doubt, anyone can see why you would prefer that term.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @4.2.12    3 weeks ago
"Race Traitors"

Usually reserved for those minorities with the temerity to leave the Democratic Party plantation and have dared to voice their own independent thoughts contrary to what they have been told to say by the DNC..

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @4.2.12    3 weeks ago

Don't forget "Gender Traitors" and "Non-Binary Traitors".

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @4.2.12    3 weeks ago
A more popular term today is "Race Traitors"

Oh? Have progressives tired of calling people Uncle Toms or Tio Thomas already?

Putting lipstick on the pig by calling it something else doesn't hide the ugliness of such sentiments.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.2.17  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.16    3 weeks ago

I am sure you would way rather talk about any imagined slights to the dishonorable Justice Clarence Thomas instead of his personal incompetence and blatant disregard for the hard earned constitutional rights of women and minorities. Or, that his wife Ginnie helped to organize Trump's January 6th insurrection!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.2.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @4.2.12    3 weeks ago
A more popular term today is "Race Traitors"

Among neo-Nazis and those that share race based view of the world, yes. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @4.2.17    3 weeks ago
I am sure you would way rather talk about any imagined slights to the dishonorable Justice Clarence Thomas instead of his personal incompetence and blatant disregard for the hard earned constitutional rights of women and minorities. Or, that his wife Ginnie helped to organize Trump's January 6th insurrection!

I would prefer to talk about if that was what the seed was about, but since it isn't, it seems like just you that is deflecting and derailing.

What's next--talking about Trump again?

Sigh.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  Raven Wing @4.2.9    3 weeks ago

Potty of Trump? Freudian slip? LOL

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.2.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.10    3 weeks ago

I've seen a lot worse than that from others here

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.2.22  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.21    3 weeks ago
I've seen a lot worse than that from others here

And that matters....how...?

I'm confused how one person's misogyny is somehow legitimized by somebody else's misogyny.  How does that work, exactly?

Please tell me you're not devolving into some batshit tribalist who defends anything, no matter how egregious, simply because the person in question is part of "Team Lefty".

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.23  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.22    3 weeks ago
devolving into some batshit tribalist

Ask your buddies on the right. They'll answer your question

And you seem to forget I was defending Dev's freedom of speech. We still have free speech, don't we? Or is it free if it doesn't offend your sensibilities?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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4.2.24  Raven Wing  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.20    3 weeks ago
Potty of Trump? Freudian slip? LOL

In my opinion that is what the GOP has devolved to. Like an open outhouse, the stench is every where.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.2.25  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.23    3 weeks ago
Ask your buddies on the right. They'll answer your question

I think you just answered it.

And you seem to forget I was defending Dev's freedom of speech.

Was it in some sort of danger?

We still have free speech, don't we? Or is it free if it doesn't offend your sensibilities?

Ah, so we're going full melodrama on the tribalism, as well.  That's disappointing.   

You seem to forget, we're on a forum.   When somebody posts misogynistic bullshit, they deserve to be challenged.  He has the right to post what he wants and you have the right to defend him, no matter how dickheaded his comments are. 

But the rest of us have the right to call you out on it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.26  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.25    3 weeks ago
Was it in some sort of danger?

He got a lot of grief for it and still is

When somebody posts misogynistic bullshit, they deserve to be challenged.  He has the right to post what he wants and you have the right to defend him, no matter how dickheaded his comments are.  But the rest of us have the right to call you out on it.

And here you are...but do I not have the right to double down on the stupid? Just calling it as I see it. Others get to do it I figured it was my turn

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.2.27  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.26    3 weeks ago
He got a lot of grief for it and still is

Got grief for rampaging misogyny?  Yeah. Absolutely. Rightfully so.

You would have given him grief too if he was conservative.  Again...rightfully so.

And here you are...but do I not have the right to double down on the stupid? Just calling it as I see it. Others get to do it I figured it was my turn

Yeah....well.... the non-stupid here on NT are a dying breed, and we'd rather not lose you.  Seriously, it's like an intellectual version of The Walking Dead around here sometimes.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.28  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.27    3 weeks ago
You would have given him grief too if he was conservative.  Again...rightfully so.

Yes, I would have

Yeah....well.... the non-stupid here on NT are a dying breed, and we'd rather not lose you.  Seriously, it's like an intellectual version of The Walking Dead around here sometimes.

I think that's the nicest thing you ever said to me, Jack. Thanks

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.2.29  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.28    3 weeks ago
Yes, I would have

Well.  That's the issue.  Misogyny isn't OK just because the perpetrator belongs to one political tribe or another.

I think that's the nicest thing you ever said to me, Jack. Thanks

I really don't feel like it is, but I don't have concrete examples to hand.  In any case, it's not my opinion on the subject that matters, and I will certainly endeavor to improve in this area.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 weeks ago

Reading all the freak out comments on this is hilarious! 

This is a DRAFT.  This can change drastically before it's signed and published.  For all any of us know there is an apposing draft floating around out there.  Hell, this very draft could be the opposing draft.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    3 weeks ago
Reading all the freak out comments on this is hilarious! 

Constitutional crisis, worse than Watergate, end of democracy. I wonder what buzzword(s) they will use for this outrage as they scream to the sky

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1    3 weeks ago

They'll make something up.  That's a given.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    3 weeks ago
"They'll make something up.  That's a given."

Yes, that's what the alleged conservatives/republicans/gop/gqp always do.  

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.3  seeder  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

Like Kavanaugh and Barrett lied to Collins?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

Maybe they will repurpose their pussy hats too!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.4    3 weeks ago

That I could see happening. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @5.1.3    3 weeks ago
Like Kavanaugh and Barrett lied to Collins?

And what lie has CNN, MSNBC, or the DNC have convinced you of now, and can you link something--anything--credible for that claim?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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6  Snuffy    3 weeks ago

So...   when does the Catholic Church come to Biden and ask for his membership card back?  After all the position the Church has on abortion is well known...

  • The Catholic Church states that abortion is  always wrong , because life begins at conception and is God given.
  • This means that in the eyes of the Catholic Church abortion is classed as  murder  and goes against the commandment,  Thou shalt not kill  (Exodus 20:13). This commandment is reiterated by Jesus in Matthew 19:18.

 
 
 
JBB
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6.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Snuffy @6    3 weeks ago

Talk about Democrats possibly "Packing the Court" when six of nine Justices are Catholics is ironic...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @6.1    3 weeks ago
Talk about Democrats possibly "Packing the Court" when six of nine Justices are Catholics is ironic...

And what exactly is ironic about it?

How are the two disparate things alike?

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.2  devangelical  replied to  JBB @6.1    3 weeks ago

fishsticks in the lunchroom every friday...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @6    3 weeks ago

Catholics do not have to agree with every precept of the Church to remain Catholics. 

I am Catholic and I do oppose abortion done as a convenience. But I realize I dont have the right to dictate to other people what they have to do on this subject. It is a personal choice by the women and those she gives agency to. 

Doesnt make me a bad Catholic. There is no Church law that says unless you fight to outlaw abortion you cant be a Catholic. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    3 weeks ago
There is no Church law that says unless you fight to outlaw abortion you cant be a Catholic. 

Yet many state if you don't actively fight against racism and donate to BLM it is because you are a racist.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Snuffy @6    3 weeks ago

Lots of Catholics believe that people should deal with their own consciences and stop worrying about their neighbors.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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6.3.1  Snuffy  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.3    3 weeks ago

Yes, a lot of Catholics as well as a lot of other people believe that people should deal with their own consciences and stop butting in to their neighbors issues.  But it is the official policy of the Catholic Church and Biden is on record as saying he is a devout Catholic.  He makes the sign of the cross at public events, and his Catholicism is woven into his speeches and policies. Years ago he cited his religious faith when wondering out loud if Roe v Wade went too far,  now he's fully pro-abortion.  Even some bishops are on record saying that Biden should be denied the Eucharist due to his views on reproductive rights.  He seems to be wanting his cake and to eat it too.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.3.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Snuffy @6.3.1    3 weeks ago
He seems to be wanting his cake and to eat it too. 

Well, he is a politician so there is that.

 
 
 
Kavika
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7  Kavika     3 weeks ago

I'm waiting for the main event between Patriarch Kirill and Pope Francis. That should be a doozie. 

In the left corner from the Vatican and weighing in at 195 lbs (including robes and assorted regalia) The ''Mean Machine'' from Rome......Pope Francis the Fearless. 

And in the right corner from Moscow, Russia and weighing in at 240 lbs (including beard and assorted trinkets) the pride of Saint Peterburg, the Russian Mauler, Patriarch Kirill the Kruncher. 

Wine and wafers will be served following the match.

 
 

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