Documents at Mar-a-Lago Were Moved and Hidden as U.S. Sought Them, Filing Suggests - The New York Times

  

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By:   Glenn Thrush, Charlie Savage, Alan Feuer and Maggie Haberman (nytimes)

Documents at Mar-a-Lago Were Moved and Hidden as U.S. Sought Them, Filing Suggests - The New York Times
The filing by the Justice Department paints the clearest picture to date of its efforts to retrieve documents from the former president's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

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The filing by the Justice Department paints the clearest picture to date of its efforts to retrieve documents from the former president's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

30dc-investigate-3-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale The Justice Department included a photo of documents seized from former President Donald J. Trump's Florida home in its court filing.Credit...Department of Justice

By Glenn Thrush, Charlie Savage, Alan Feuer and Maggie Haberman

Aug. 31, 2022Updated 1:50 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department sought a search warrant for former President Donald J. Trump's residence in Florida after obtaining evidence that highly classified documents were likely concealed and that Mr. Trump's representatives had falsely claimed all sensitive material had been returned, according to a court filing by the department on Tuesday.

The filing came in response to Mr. Trump's request for an independent review of materials seized from his home, Mar-a-Lago. But it went far beyond that, painting the clearest picture yet of the department's efforts to retrieve the documents before taking the extraordinary step of searching a former president's private property on Aug. 8.

Among the new disclosures in the 36-page filing were that the search yielded three classified documents in desks inside Mr. Trump's office, with more than 100 documents in 13 boxes or containers with classification markings in the residence, including some at the most restrictive levels.

That was twice the number of classified documents the former president's lawyers turned over voluntarily while swearing an oath that they had returned all the material demanded by the government.

The investigation into Mr. Trump's retention of government documents began as a relatively straightforward attempt to recover materials that officials with the National Archives had spent much of 2021 trying to retrieve. The filing on Tuesday made clear that prosecutors are now unmistakably focused on the possibility that Mr. Trump and those around him took criminal steps to obstruct their investigation.

Investigators developed evidence that "government records were likely concealed and removed" from the storage room at Mar-a-Lago after the Justice Department sent Mr. Trump's office a subpoena for any remaining documents with classified markings. That led prosecutors to conclude that "efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government's investigation," the government filing said.

The filing included one striking visual aid — a photograph of at least five yellow folders recovered from Mr. Trump's resort and residence marked "Top Secret" and another red one labeled "Secret."

But department officials are not expected to file charges imminently, if they ever do. And the specific contents of the materials the government recovered in the search remain unclear — as does what risk to national security Mr. Trump's decision to retain the materials posed.

While the filing provided important new information about the timeline of the investigation, much of the information was mentioned, in less detail, in the affidavit used to obtain the warrant, which a federal magistrate judge unsealed last week.

Takeaways From the Affidavit Used in the Mar-a-Lago Search


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Takeaways From the Affidavit Used in the Mar-a-Lago Search


The release on Aug. 26 of a partly redacted affidavit used by the Justice Department to justify its search of former President Donald J. Trump's Florida residence included information that provides greater insight into the ongoing investigation into how he handled documents he took with him from the White House. Here are the key takeaways:

Takeaways From the Affidavit Used in the Mar-a-Lago Search


The government tried to retrieve the documents for more than a year. The affidavit showed that the National Archives asked Mr. Trump as early as May 2021 for files that needed to be returned. In January, the agency was able to collect 15 boxes of documents. The affidavit included a letter from May 2022 showing that Trump's lawyers knew that he might be in possession of classified materials and that the Justice Department was investigating the matter.

Takeaways From the Affidavit Used in the Mar-a-Lago Search


The material included highly classified documents. The F.B.I. said it had examined the 15 boxes Mr. Trump had returned to the National Archives in January and that all but one of them contained documents that were marked classified. The markings suggested that some documents could compromise human intelligence sources and that others were related to foreign intercepts collected under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Takeaways From the Affidavit Used in the Mar-a-Lago Search


Prosecutors are concerned about obstruction and witness intimidation. To obtain the search warrant, the Justice Department had to lay out possible crimes to a judge, and obstruction of justice was among them. In a supporting document, the Justice Department said it had "well-founded concerns that steps may be taken to frustrate or otherwise interfere with this investigation if facts in the affidavit were prematurely disclosed."

Among the most crucial disclosures were those concerning the actions of Mr. Trump's legal team and whether they had misled Justice Department officials and the F.B.I.

The Justice Department effort began in May, after the F.B.I. examined 15 boxes of documents the National Archives had previously retrieved from Mar-a-Lago after months of asking Mr. Trump's representatives to return missing records. The bureau found 184 classified documents in that initial batch.

On May 11, department lawyers obtained a subpoena to retrieve all materials marked as classified that were not turned over by the former president.

On June 3, his team presented F.B.I. agents with 38 additional documents with classified markings, including 17 labeled top secret.

But one of Mr. Trump's lawyers present during that visit "explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained," the filing said.

Mr. Trump's team also provided the department's national security division with a written statement on behalf of his office by one of Mr. Trump's lawyers who was serving as the formal "custodian" of the files. While that person's name has been redacted in government filings, multiple people have identified her as Christina Bobb.

Ms. Bobb's statement was attached to the department's filing on Tuesday. In it, the lawyer wrote that "based upon the information that has been provided to me," there had been a "diligent" search and all documents responsive to the subpoena were being returned.

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But law enforcement officials soon developed evidence that statement was untrue.

The F.B.I. "uncovered multiple sources of evidence indicating that the response to the May 11 grand jury subpoena was incomplete and that classified documents remained at the premises, notwithstanding the sworn certification made to the government on June 3," the Justice Department filing said. "In particular, the government developed evidence that a search limited to the storage room would not have uncovered all the classified documents at the premises."

The Justice Department obtained at least one more subpoena, for security camera footage from inside Mar-a-Lago, and the search warrant affidavit revealed that it had been working with multiple civilian witnesses. The result was the search warrant carried out on Aug. 8.

The filing noted that "the F.B.I., in a matter of hours, recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the 'diligent search' that the former president's counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform," a fact that it said "calls into serious question the representations made in the June 3 certification and casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this matter."

Since the search of Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump has claimed he had declassified all of the documents there, and his request for the appointment of an independent arbiter known as a special master to review the trove of materials seized by the F.B.I. centered on a claim that some of the documents were protected by executive privilege. But prosecutors rejected that argument and said Mr. Trump's lawyers "never asserted that the former president had declassified the documents or asserted any claim of executive privilege."

Tuesday's filing, which was released minutes before a midnight deadline imposed by a federal judge, accompanied a sealed list of the documents, many of them highly classified, that Mr. Trump retained at Mar-a-Lago. That inventory, filed earlier in the day, is likely to be far more detailed than the brief list included in the search warrant unsealed at the request of Attorney General Merrick B. Garland.

The department, inundated by a torrent of misinformation and vitriol unleashed on federal law enforcement officials by Mr. Trump and his supporters, has been using legal filings, rather than social media or public comments, to disclose the evidence and legal reasoning behind its actions. On Monday, prosecutors sought permission to extend the length of their response beyond the limit normally set by the federal court, a request that was quickly granted.

Mr. Trump's legal team, which has at times been slow to respond to the government's actions since the search, waited weeks to even file its request for a special master, which was intended to halt the examination of the documents. The delay allowed the government to complete its initial assessment of the material — potentially rendering the request moot.

On Tuesday, the Justice Department argued that a special master was "unnecessary and would significantly harm important governmental interests, including national security interests."

More on the Trump Documents Inquiry

  • Violent Rhetoric: As they did before Jan. 6, former President Donald J. Trump and his allies are fueling outrage among supporters following the F.B.I. search of Mar-a-Lago.
  • Special Master: Mr. Trump, who used the slow pace of litigation to run out the clock on congressional oversight, is seeking intervention that could lead to appeals and delay the inquiry.
  • Was There Obstruction?: The redacted affidavit released by the Justice Department on Aug. 26 included information indicating that prosecutors had evidence suggesting efforts to impede the recovery of documents — a scenario that could raise significant legal peril for Mr. Trump.
  • Human Intelligence Sources: The affidavit showed that the Mar-a-Lago search was spurred by the discovery that Mr. Trump had kept classified material related to the use of clandestine human sources that are the lifeblood of any espionage service.

It also argued that the judge lacked jurisdiction over the matter and that Mr. Trump "lacks standing to seek judicial relief or oversight as to presidential records because those records do not belong to him."

Over the years, Mr. Trump has frequently taken legal steps simply to delay and disrupt efforts by opponents. If the court in this case were to temporarily block investigators' access to the evidence taken in the search, it could hinder the separate effort to determine the national security risks posed by his possession of the documents, though it would not affect the assessment of the documents that Mr. Trump turned over in January and June.

The Trump appointee hearing the request, Judge Aileen M. Cannon of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, has signaled that she was inclined to appoint a special master but wanted to first hear from the Justice Department.

On Monday, the government said it had set aside materials that could potentially be covered by attorney-client privilege, although Mr. Trump's lawsuit had raised executive privilege, a different issue. A hearing on the matter is scheduled for Thursday in West Palm Beach, Fla.

The department's decision to use a court filing as a vehicle to provide a more extensive explanation of the government's actions — and to counter Mr. Trump's legal claims — evolved over the last few days, and lawyers wrangled over small details until moments before it was filed, according to people familiar with the situation.

Mr. Garland, they said, remains deeply wary of speaking too much, cautioned by the example of James B. Comey, the former director of the F.B.I. whose high-profile pronouncements during investigations into Mr. Trump and Hillary Clinton were regarded as an egregious violation of departmental policy norms.

But after the Mar-a-Lago search, the department's senior leaders quickly realized that Mr. Trump would otherwise seize on their silence with distorted claims.

So they have chosen the traditional path, using public filings to make their case — leavening the dense legal passages with explanations aimed at being more accessible to the public, officials said.

On Tuesday, Mr. Garland took another step geared at emphasizing his impartiality and fairness, imposing new restrictions on partisan activity by political appointees at the Justice Department, a policy change that comes before the midterm elections. The new rules prohibit employees who are appointed to serve for the duration of a presidential administration from attending rallies for candidates or fund-raising events, even as passive observers.

Mr. Trump, for his part, has dismissed concerns about the performance of his legal team, and told associates that he will ultimately prevail, just as he "won" by avoiding conviction in his two impeachment trials and in avoiding being charged in the investigation into his ties with Russia conducted by the special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

On Tuesday, hours before the government filed its paperwork, Mr. Trump added a member to his legal team to focus on the trouble brewing in Florida, Christopher M. Kise, the state's former solicitor general and an associate of Gov. Ron DeSantis, according to two people familiar with the situation.

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JBB
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1  seeder  JBB    4 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @1    4 weeks ago

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JBB
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1.1.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    4 weeks ago

I submit your meme as State"s Evidence and...

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devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  JBB @1    4 weeks ago

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3  devangelical  replied to  JBB @1    4 weeks ago

trump went from hail to the chief to jail to the thief in less than 18 months. bwah ha ha ha

 
 
 
JBB
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2  seeder  JBB    4 weeks ago

For those lying that we don't know what Trump had!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2    4 weeks ago
For those lying that we don't know what Trump had!

Until last night YOU didn't!!!

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago

... willful retention of classified documents. too bad trump didn't send a packet to you for safe keeping, huh?

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.2  seeder  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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3  Just Jim NC TttH    4 weeks ago

Damn look at all those boxes and boxes of secrets in that photo /S

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    4 weeks ago

The cover is not the top secret part....but I think you know that already

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1    4 weeks ago

I doubt that...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

 Government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation?

Is that what this is about?

Find a law that covers it and convict for God's sake!!!!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    4 weeks ago
Is that what this is about?

Why is everyone fucking with your plans for the country? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 weeks ago

Why can't you squeeze an indictment out of a document dispute between the National Archives and Donald Trump?

I got a feeling that you don't want an indictment.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

Terrible the way the FBI, during the Raid of Mar-a-Lago, threw documents haphazardly all over the floor (perhaps pretending it was me that did it!), and then started taking pictures of them for the public to see. Thought they wanted them kept Secret? Lucky I Declassified!


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JohnRussell
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4.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    4 weeks ago

You're doing comedy now? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    4 weeks ago

I'm surprised he didnt say that the "Top Secret" all over the document headers was photoshopped. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    4 weeks ago
Terrible the way the FBI, during the Raid of Mar-a-Lago, threw documents haphazardly all over the floor 

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Doesnt look haphazard to me. Looks like the documents were laid out rather carefully in order to show for the camera what was there. 

But then again Trump is an idiot liar, so who knows what might come out of his mouth at any given point? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.5    4 weeks ago
Doesnt look haphazard to me.

Then you are as clueless as I suspected when it comes to dealing with classified material.

The way the material is laid out in that picture alone is a violation. Not to mention that the photo was released to the public.  

Still want to tell us the FBI knows what they are doing and can be trusted?  That's going to be a very hard sell to anybody with a TS/SCI clearance.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.7  seeder  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.6    4 weeks ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @4.1.7    4 weeks ago

Oh look, the children are here.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.9  seeder  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.8    4 weeks ago

I is my seed. You are technically my guest...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @4.1.9    4 weeks ago

So you spam your own seed with childish nonsense and expect to be taken seriously?  

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.11  seeder  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.10    4 weeks ago

I hear ya...

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Hal A. Lujah
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4.1.12  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.6    4 weeks ago

The way the material is laid out in that picture alone is a violation.

The only readable words in the photo are TOP SECRET.   You guys are ridiculous.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.6    4 weeks ago

Should I buy you some eyeglasses?

Trump said on his social media this morning that the documents were "thrown haphazardly" all over the floor by the FBI. That is obviously not true. 

Next you will deny the sun rose this morning if you think it will help Trump. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.1.12    4 weeks ago
You guys are ridiculous.

I prefer clowns. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.13    4 weeks ago
Trump said on his social media this morning that the documents were "thrown haphazardly" all over the floor by the FBI.

And it's evidenced by the photo YOU posted.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.1.12    4 weeks ago

Still a violation.  

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.18  seeder  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.15    4 weeks ago

I can only see a neatly arranged assortment of documents with only their cover letters to be seen. They do plainly show that they are all classified secret documents belonging to the United States government. White blank pages were carefully placed over any of the information deemed classified. If you are going to tell big honking lies it would be best if they not to be so easily proven to be lies!

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.19  seeder  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.16    4 weeks ago

Not with only warning cover letters showing! 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.20  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @4.1.18    4 weeks ago
I can only see a neatly arranged assortment of documents with only their cover letters to be seen.

Then you need glasses.  Those pages with the white over them are not cover sheets.  But then again, if you knew anything about handling classified material you'd know that.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.15    4 weeks ago

Hal is right, you are ridiculous. Now you want people to deny what they see with their own eyes. 

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.22  seeder  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.20    4 weeks ago

Are you talking about the plain white blank pages of printing paper carefully placed over anything considered confidential or secret?

If you were being honest you would note that this was also covered by my comment above!

Have you no shame? No honor? No dignity?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.23  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.21    4 weeks ago

Hal is right, you are ridiculous.

You actually think I give a flying fuck what you or Hal have to say about me?  

Now you want people to deny what they see with their own eyes. 

I see it plainly.  You showed photographic proof the FBI mishandling classified material.  Now because YOU are ignorant in regards to the laws that govern that isn't my problem.  

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.24  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    4 weeks ago
I got a feeling that you don't want an indictment.

Cut the crap Vic, you do and it has been obvious since I've been here.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.25  seeder  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.23    4 weeks ago

I will take that as a BIG NO to all my queries!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.26  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.23    4 weeks ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.27  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @4.1.22    4 weeks ago
Are you talking about the plain white blank pages of printing paper carefully placed over anything considered confidential or secret?

Now you're catching on.  That's the mishandling of classified material I'm talking about.  Now look at the picture JR posted.  See those yellow cover sheets?  It's illegal to have them on the same table as the documents with the red cover sheets. 

Looks like you and JR are on the same level of knowledge / experience with classified material - level ZERO.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.28  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @4.1.25    4 weeks ago

Do us all a favor and just stick to useless memes.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.29  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.26    4 weeks ago

Oh, you resort to personal insults.  Did I hit a nerve?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.30  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.27    4 weeks ago

[REMOVED]     my original comment was about Trump saying this morning that the FBI had "haphazardly thrown" the documents on the floor. 

Anyone with two working eyes can and will see that is not true. 

The documents were not "thrown" anywhere, nor was it "haphazard". They were laid out intentionally to show the various titles on the cover pages. 

Trump was lying, nothing new there. 

If you want to talk about something else other than what was in my comment start your own seed. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.31  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.29    4 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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4.1.32  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @4.1.11    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.33  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.30    4 weeks ago
my original comment was about Trump saying this morning that the FBI had "haphazardly thrown" the documents on the floor.  Anyone with two working eyes can and will see that is not true.

And based on the photo YOU posted, anybody with a working knowledge of how to properly handle classified material would know you're fucking wrong.

Trump was lying, nothing new there.

The photo you posted shows Trump was correct.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.34  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.33    4 weeks ago

You are a hopeless case. Carry on. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1.24    4 weeks ago

Projection.

Btw, what this latest incident proves is that the DOJ can no longer prosecute this case....in Court.

This is all about trying Trump in the court of public opinion.  That doesn't work when every norm and code of decency is violated.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.36  seeder  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.35    4 weeks ago

If your legal analysis was good Andy McCabe, John Sussman and Peter Stroz would be in prison instead of being TV commentators...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.37  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @4.1.36    4 weeks ago

Didn't I say the deep state guilty walk?

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.38  seeder  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.37    4 weeks ago

Yep, you say lots of shit that just ain't so Vic.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.39  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @4.1.38    4 weeks ago

Starting with the Russia/collusion hoax was a hoax.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.40  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @4.1.36    4 weeks ago

It's Strzok..................you're welcome.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.41  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.40    4 weeks ago

 Stroz, Strunze or Strzok...they don't seem to care anymore!  Long as he got to smirk in congress and fake news gave him a job.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    4 weeks ago

The relevant statutes are listed in the affidavit Vic. Still haven't read it? 

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Dulay @4.2    4 weeks ago

he's banking on the autocratic immunity defense...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

Any of you want to wager on an indictment?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.2    4 weeks ago

Silence!

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.2.4  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.2    4 weeks ago

Sounds like you need a GA meeting.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5  Greg Jones    4 weeks ago

 "On Tuesday, the Justice Department argued that a special master was "unnecessary and would significantly harm important governmental interests, including national security interests."

Nonsense....there never was a threat to "national security", or the scummy witch hunters wouldn't have waited a year and a half to seize them.  At any rate this latest political stunt has seriously damaged the Dems and energized the Republicans and Independents.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @5    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @5.1    4 weeks ago

That the best you can do?

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.2  seeder  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.1    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @5.1.2    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.3    4 weeks ago

Oh ya, that's a voting issue!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6  Nerm_L    4 weeks ago

Gee, aren't highly classified materials supposed to be concealed?  Obviously the proper way to handle highly classified material is to spread it across the floor and photograph it.

Are we sure the FBI guys that raided Mar-a-Lago were cleared to handle highly classified materials?  Did they follow proper procedure handling that highly classified material?  What does the photographic evidence suggest?

Just another case of a botched up job by the Biden administration.  Everything the Biden administration touches turns to crap.  And after all the bungling there still isn't an indictment.

 
 
 
JBB
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6.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @6    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @6.1    4 weeks ago

Everytime I see that face, those teeth, and those cheeks, I can't help but think she is Alvin, Simon, and Theodore's long lost mother.

 
 
 
JBB
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6.1.2  seeder  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.1    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @6.1    4 weeks ago

So, Merrick Garland is invoking the Clinton defense now?  Incompetent but not malicious?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.4  seeder  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.3    4 weeks ago

No. Garland is invoking The Espionage Act!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
6.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @6.1.4    4 weeks ago
is invoking The Espionage Act!

The same Act the DOJ unilaterally rewrote to avoid charging Hillary Clinton? Shocking !

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.6  seeder  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.5    4 weeks ago

It was amended by the gop at Trump's behest!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
6.1.7  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @6.1.4    4 weeks ago
No. Garland is invoking The Espionage Act!

So, where's the indictment?  

The one thing Merrick Garland has accomplished is to turn Jan. 6th into page 4 news.  Garland has replaced the narrative of 'threat to democracy' with a narrative of 'threat to national security'.  And Garland isn't up for election during the midterms.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.8  seeder  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.7    4 weeks ago

The Grand Jury is still reviewing the evidence.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
6.1.9  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @6.1.8    4 weeks ago
The Grand Jury is still reviewing the evidence.

Do they have security clearance?  A grand jury is a one sided-argument.  It's like preaching to the choir.

Apparently Garland only wants a grand jury to be his scapegoat.  A grand jury isn't required to make an indictment.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.10  seeder  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.9    4 weeks ago

Americans never prosecuted the crimes of our past Presidents, but the defeated ones usually just go away. You and Trump, on the other hand, are demanding Trump be indicted, prosecuted, convicted and incarcerated. So, be it...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
6.1.11  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @6.1.10    4 weeks ago
Americans have never prosecuted the crimes of our past Presidents, but the defeated ones usually go away. But, you and Trump are demanding indictment, prosecution, conviction and incarceration. So, be it...

Still waiting.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.12  seeder  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.11    4 weeks ago

The gears of justice grind inexorably towards justice however slowly. All will be revealed...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
6.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Nerm_L @6    4 weeks ago

And...we don't know for sure what is actually inside those folders. Looks like it was a planned show and tell event for the unquestioning media.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.2.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
6.3  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @6    4 weeks ago

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igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
7  igknorantzrulz    4 weeks ago

From what i speculate, and when looking at the photo of various documents spread out, it appears these were possibly in the same box, and haphazardly thrown together into one box. The Top Secret Documents were intermixed with whatever, pointing to total disregard to their importance, as Trump was unable to comprehend how his foolish actions jeopardized the lives of our agents. Trump did it before, when he fired Comey and had an all Russian slumber party in our White House. In MarLargo he watched Lil' Kim's little rockets with guests, cause he is a Fckn Fool. Trump defenders, just STOP !  He SOLD YOU and all of US out.

 
 

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