Garland's attempt to intimidate Whistleblowers

  

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By:  vic-eldred  •  4 weeks ago  •  101 comments

Garland's attempt to intimidate Whistleblowers
no department employee may communicate with Senators, Representatives, congressional committees, or congressional staff without advance coordination, consultation, and approval by OLA." ...Merrick Garland

Link to above quote: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ag-garland-issues-memo-doj-communications-congress-retirements-whistleblower-reports


As he did with American parents, the nation's own version of Lavrentiy Beria has just issued a veiled threat against the dozen or so FBI whistleblowers who came forward against the stifling of the Hunter Biden laptop investigation. In his infamous memo tO DOJ/FBI personnel, Garland warns of any communications with members of congress. The excuse is that such a policy is designed, get this: "to protect the DOJ’s "criminal and civil law enforcement decisions, and its legal judgments, from partisan or other inappropriate influences, whether real or perceived, direct or indict."  What projection!



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https://ussanews.com/2022/08/31/breaking-the-law-attorney-general-merrick-garland-threatens-doj-employees-about-contacting-congress/

This memo comes at the same time that Tim Thibault, the assistant special agent-in-charge in the District of Columbia, was forced to retire amid mounting allegations that he ran interference in the investigation into Hunter Biden’s laptop.  To make matters worse for the FBI, many in the agency are calling for Director Wray to resign:

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-agents-lost-confidence-christopher-073758774.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

The FBI's credibility is rapidly falling below Joe Biden's IQ.


Garland will likely be impeached next year.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

How long before certain people act like this never happened?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

Merrick Garland is not a liberal. Christopher Wray is not a liberal. James Comey is not a liberal.  The FBI is not liberal. Get a grip. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 weeks ago

Garland is a far left ideologue that Obama tried to pass off as a moderate.  Comey was a Trump hater, who always had his head up Obama's ass. Wray is somebody who is not in control of his subordinates and never should have been promoted to a job that required reforming a huge LE agency.


The FBI is not liberal.

The FBI is being run by a rogue faction.  Open your eyes, John. You can see the facts I'm posting.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

You post from crank conspiracy theory sources. Little more than worthless. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

Is that what you call all things you don't like?

Are you doubting that at least 14 FBI whistleblowers have come forward about the Hunter Laptop investigation being stifled?

Are you doubting that the man accused of stifling that investigation resigned last week?

Are you doubting the clear warning that Garland just issued to the Whistleblowers?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    4 weeks ago

www.foxnews.com   /politics/fbi-agent-who-retired-amid-hunter-biden-probe-scrutiny-denies-political-bias

FBI agent who retired amid Hunter Biden probe scrutiny denies political bias

Bradford Betz 3-4 minutes   8/30/2022


Legal counsel for an   FBI agent   ,who retired last week following allegations that he tried to run interference into the Hunter Biden laptop probe, are denying reports that he was politically motivated. 

Morrison & Foerster LLP, who is representing Thibault clarified that their client retired from the FBI and was not fired, nor forced to retire or asked to retire. Morrison said Thibault turned in his security badge and walked out of the FBI field office with two long-time special agent friends. 

Thibault, who had been with the FBI for more than 30 years, was eligible for retirement and informed his supervisors about a month ago of his intentions, Morrison said. 

The firm pointed out that Thibault had led and supervised multiple investigations into public corruption by both Democrats and Republicans. 

Morrison said the Office of Special Counsel is investigating allegations that Thibault’s social media posts potentially violated the Hatch Act, which restrains the   political activities of federal employees. 

"Thibault is cooperating with that investigation, urges the Office to complete its review, and expects to be fully exonerated," Morrison said, adding that Thibault, regardless of retirement, welcomes any investigation into allegations that he "took certain actions in investigations for partisan political reasons."

"He firmly believes that any investigation will conclude that his supervision, leadership and decision making were not impacted by political bias or partisanship of any kind," Morrison said. "He is confident that all of his decisions were consistent with the FBI’s highest standards for ethics and integrity."

The firm reiterated that Thibault was not involved in either the planning or execution of the FBI raid on former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida earlier this month. 

The firm also said Thibault "did not supervise the investigation of   Hunter Biden ," which, they added, is now being handled by the Baltimore Field Office. 

"In particular, Mr. Thibault was not involved in any decisions related to any laptop that may be at issue in that investigation, and he did not seek to close the investigation," Morrison said. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    4 weeks ago
FBI agent who retired amid Hunter Biden probe scrutiny denies political bias

Well of course he would. This isn't a blockbuster statement. Well unless you want it to be which it seems you may.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 weeks ago
Merrick Garland is not a liberal.

Lol. and Samuel Alito isn't a conservative. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.5    4 weeks ago

I know...Let's call him before the Garland investigation committee next year and find out!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 weeks ago

They're part of the deep state, didn't you know?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

Little more?  How about completely

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    4 weeks ago

When FBI officials resign they are no longer subject Io inspector General questions.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

What we see here is the desperation of MAGA's to get the spotlight off of the horror show that is the cult of Donald Trump and put it on Hunter Biden and the FBI.  Not gonna work kids. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago

John, the spotlight is on the economy.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago
"When [the Biden administration] came in [...], the cost of all this stuff really started shooting up: groceries, energy, utilities, home prices, rent. [...] The energy is, I think, intentional because they're trying to make it hard to produce oil and gas here."

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago

the spotlight is on the loss of our freedom and country at the hands of right wing radicals.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @2.1.2    4 weeks ago

Do you think people are that stupid?

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    4 weeks ago

why are some republican candidates scrubbing their websites of anti-choice stances? to answer your question, I think that anyone that still supports the defeated and disgraced FPOTUS lacks any semblance of critical thinking skills.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @2.1.4    4 weeks ago
why are some republican candidates scrubbing their websites of anti-choice stances?

Because some Republicans don't know the difference between restricted use of abortion and an all out ban. Don't worry, they are learning that most people want something in between. In the meantime the economy is and will be the number 1 issue in November.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  devangelical @2.1.4    4 weeks ago

Why are some Democrats running adds that do not name the political party they are affiliated with; and desperately try to sound like Republicans? For the work class (like any Democrat has ever been); for small business (ha, ha, ha, ha!); for police and law and order (Only time Democrats are for law and order is when it serves their purposes to get Republicans and those on the right by any means. Otherwise it is defund police!; Black Lives are the only ones that Matter!; and George Soros free the criminals DA's!- so long as they might be leftist criminals that is). No mention of abortion on demand up to the time of birth. Just "protecting our freedoms". What a very conservative thing to say!

As for critical thinking skills. Rampant TDS has degraded the ability of those on the left to see anything past their narrow warp Trump driven fantasy world.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago

Yep, the only thing they want to talk about is Putin's crusade against fascism.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

My bad. I meant Biden's crusade. Easy to make the mistake since Biden seems to have cribbed his talking points about Americans from Putin's about Ukraine. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

Actually it's Trump they want to talk about and unfortunately Trump has obliged them. He should keep his mouth shut. The country is suffering and for 3 weeks the dishonest media is talking about Trump again.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.9    4 weeks ago

Actually it's Trump they want to talk about 

trump and his supporters.  Biden's waging rhetorical war on half the country, hoping it mobilizes his side to come out and salvage an election he's already called illegitimate. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.10    4 weeks ago

Well if people like you had "talked about Trump" during the last 7 years, and kept him out of politics, we wouldnt have to deal with his traitorous ass now. You made your bed now lie in it. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @2.1.2    4 weeks ago

I'm curious.  Exactly what rights have we lost?  Seems that the only rights being threatened are my 2nd Amendment and 4th Amendment.  And those are being threatened by the Democrats.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
The country is suffering and for 3 weeks the dishonest media is talking about Trump again.

When is Trump going to tell the nation why he took hundreds of classified documents to his private residence in Florida, after he was out of office? 

If he has an acceptable explanation why doesnt he spit it out? 

People like you have enabled this fool for 7 years and now , at long last, the chickens are coming home to roost.  The Jan 6 committee will be starting up again soon and the news for your side will only get worse. 

Of course, as we know, you keep expressing support for him. Lol. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.14  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

you're barking up the wrong tree about the 2nd. I'm a western liberal, I own guns, and when I give mine up it will be hot barrel first and I probably won't be in a position to care about it. as for the 4th, you need a history lesson. the weakening of that amendment all falls on raygun and bush.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @2.1.14    4 weeks ago
the weakening of that amendment all falls on raygun and bush.

Tell us what you imagine they did to weaken Constitutional rights.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.16  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.15    4 weeks ago

you know my policy on doing research work that will only be disavowed by some of the mentally challenged. I recommend bing or googling the answers for yourself, so that we can continue having this conversation on a more equal level, after all the pee wee herman retorts finish of course.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @2.1.14    4 weeks ago
as for the 4th, you need a history lesson.

We saw it earlier this month.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.18  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @2.1.16    4 weeks ago
you know my policy on doing research work that will only be disavowed by some of the mentally challenged.

Seems like even you question the validity of your research.  I guess it's easier to play parrot.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.13    4 weeks ago
When is Trump going to tell the nation why he took hundreds of classified documents to his private residence in Florida, after he was out of office? 

They weren't his to take. However, I'm not sure that people are thinking much about it.


If he has an acceptable explanation why doesnt he spit it out? 

Actually he has done too much talking.


People like you have enabled this fool for 7 years and now ,

No you and your ideology have.


at long last, the chickens are coming home to roost.

Oh, that was Obama's Rev Wright when the Twin Towers were attacked!


 The Jan 6 committee will be starting up again soon and the news for your side will only get worse. 

That's not going to work John. The economy was ruined by Joe Biden and will vote accordingly. You can babble about Trump 24/7 from now to doomesday.


Of course, as we know, you keep expressing support for him. Lol. 

Thanks to the pictures of documents on the floor, this case is finally un-prosecutable.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.20  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.10    4 weeks ago

That's right.

Believe it or not they reached a new low!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @2.1.16    4 weeks ago
you know my policy on doing research work that will only be disavowed

I don't, nor do I particularly care.

Either you can prove it or not, and we can all see you can't, so there's that.

I recommend bing or googling the answers for yourself,

Search proved fruitless. Must be because you made the whole thing up!

It is surprising you keep claiming things and never can back them up.

Well, since you are so 'up' on Reagan, here's a few words of his you should really take to heart:

“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

You're welcome!

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.22  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.21    4 weeks ago

meh, at least spamming that dumb ass raygun quote when you've finished avoiding documented  facts is better than putting up a 60 year old picture of perry mason here.

here's your weakened 4A hints -

raygun's war on drugs

bush's war on terrorism

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @2.1.22    4 weeks ago
here's your weakened 4A hints -

raygun's war on drugs

bush's war on terrorism

If your goal was humor, SUCCESS!

meh, at least spamming that dumb ass raygun quote when you've finished avoiding documented  facts is better than putting up a 60 year old picture of perry mason here.

Aw, did you share a documented fact and I missed it?

What post was it in?

Don't tease!

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1.24  GregTx  replied to  devangelical @2.1.22    4 weeks ago
“The constitution supposes, what the History of all Governments demonstrates, that the Executive is the branch of power most interested in war, and most prone to it. It has accordingly with studied care vested the question of war in the Legislature.”

James Madison 1798

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @2.1.14    4 weeks ago

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Tessylo
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2.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @2.1.22    4 weeks ago

They do so love to live in a past that never was

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago

What we see here is an AG in violation of the law; and Democrats who think they are the law.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2    4 weeks ago

Completely lawless and without any meaningful criticism from congressional Republicans

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    4 weeks ago
Completely lawless and without any meaningful criticism from congressional Republicans

duh. it's a midterm election year and they've been watching the trending polls. republicans have ignorantly ignored the 2 largest voting blocks in the US, women and the under age 30 demographic. the day after the election, I will find the traditional rwnj blame game very entertaining.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @2.2.2    4 weeks ago
duh.

duh.  The damn libs are in for a good beating!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2    4 weeks ago

What we see here is the usual projection and deflection.  And the prior administration thinking that the DOJ were his own private firm of attorneys and Barr his consigliere.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.4    4 weeks ago

And Democrats think the DOJ, FBI, and IRS are their own private hit squad to go after their political opponents.

Garland needs to be impeached for trying to treat parents as terrorists for having the temerity to question what their children are being taught; his two tier justice system; and for violating the law by trying to intimidate FBI whistle blowers. 

 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  author  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

Breaking: DOJ opposes special master in Trump case, alleges classified materials were concealed


 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 weeks ago

Well, what's the difference now. The FBI has gone through everything by now anyway.

They violated the 4th Amendment and got away with it!

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    4 weeks ago

gee, your hero's crack team of lawyers sure expedited their legal filing to stop it, 3 weeks later...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.1.1    4 weeks ago
gee, your hero's crack team of lawyers sure expedited their legal filing to stop it, 3 weeks later...

That was dumb. It's too late now, but on the other hand the nation is still outraged by the actions Garland has taken.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

I imagine it's extremely frustrating to the trump wing whenever a republican refuses to goosestep. just look at all the heat chris wray is taking from the party over country contingent.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.1.3    4 weeks ago
I imagine it's extremely frustrating to the trump wing

Imagine what it's like to be to the right of them!

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

there's not much room farther right of big lie insurrectionists...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.1.5    4 weeks ago

oh, just wait!

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.7  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    4 weeks ago

bring it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1.1    4 weeks ago

Trump's Lawyers May Become Witnesses or Targets in Documents Investigation

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Trump's Lawyers May Become Witnesses or Targets in Documents Investigation
Charlie Savage and Maggie Haberman
Wed, August 31, 2022 at 2:23 PM
WASHINGTON — Two lawyers for former President Donald Trump are likely to become witnesses or targets in the investigation into how he hoarded documents marked as classified at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida estate — and secretly held onto some even after the lawyers claimed all sensitive materials had been returned, legal specialists said.

The lawyers, M. Evan Corcoran and Christina Bobb, handled Trump’s interactions with the government over a subpoena in May seeking additional material marked as classified. In a court filing late Tuesday, the Justice Department strongly suggested that people in Trump’s circle concealed documents in defiance of that subpoena, putting a spotlight on the lawyers’ actions.

“They are potentially witnesses — if not defendants,” Barbara McQuade, a University of Michigan law professor and a U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan from 2010 to 2017, said of the two lawyers.

The filing did not identify which lawyers for Trump took the key actions. But The New York Times has reported that after receiving the subpoena, Corcoran searched through boxes kept in a storage area in Mar-a-Lago’s basement for files with classified markings.

The Times has also reported that on June 3, after Trump’s lawyers met with Jay Bratt, the head of the Justice Department’s counterespionage section, and FBI agents, Bobb signed a statement attesting that all the sensitive material had been returned.

During that visit, Trump’s representatives turned over 38 documents with classified markings and indicated that all the records had been kept in a storage room, that no other records were stored elsewhere and that all available boxes had been searched, prosecutors said.

According to the statement Bobb signed on behalf of Trump, “based upon the information that has been provided to me,” all documents responsive to the subpoena were being returned after a “diligent” search. The Times has reported that she was the designated “custodian of records” for Trump.

Yet on Aug. 8, the FBI found more than twice as many documents marked as classified than had been turned over in June, including some in Trump’s office. That fact, the Justice Department wrote, “calls into serious question the representations made in the June 3 certification” — which also included a claim that no copies had been made of any files — “and casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this matter.”

Corcoran and Bobb did not respond to requests for comment.

In its filing late Tuesday, the Justice Department pointedly noted that Trump’s lawyers had not been as cooperative and open as they could have been at the June 3 meeting.

“Critically, however, the former president’s counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room, giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained,” the filing said.

The Justice Department’s account clashes with that of Trump’s legal team. In a complaint filed Aug. 22 and signed by Corcoran and two other lawyers, they describe Trump and his team as providing “complete cooperation.” After Bratt asked to inspect the storage room, investigators were escorted there, and once their inspection was completed, the complaint states, an FBI agent said, “Thank you. You did not need to show us the storage room, but we appreciate it. Now it all makes sense.”

All this has increased scrutiny on whether the lawyers knowingly misled the government in coordination with Trump as their client, knowingly misled both the government and Trump, or were themselves left in the dark by Trump or others and so lacked any criminal intent.

“If the Justice Department is going to pursue criminal charges, any prosecutor is going to want to have on the record the full picture of what happened, which will require the testimony of all the witnesses with the relevant knowledge — and that certainly includes lawyers here,” said Samuel Buell, a Duke University professor of criminal law and former prosecutor.

Any attempt to subpoena the two lawyers for testimony and written communications about their discussions with Trump about the matter would immediately set off a legal fight over attorney-client privilege, legal specialists said.

In normal circumstances, prosecutors seeking evidence about an investigative target cannot subpoena that target’s defense lawyers and force them to testify or turn over documents about their client. Under attorney-client privilege, the confidentiality of such discussions and work is protected.

That privilege is meant to protect the rights of people who are in trouble over a past and already completed potential offense. People need to be able to talk candidly with their lawyers about what happened to understand their options. That would be impossible if whatever people admitted to their lawyers could be used against them as evidence in court.

But there is an exception. When attorney-client communications were part of continuing or future crimes, the privilege does not apply. If judges think there is sufficient evidence to trigger this “crime-fraud exception,” they will uphold a subpoena forcing the defense lawyers to provide evidence about what they and their clients said to one another.

There is another potential legal hurdle. If there is reason to believe that Corcoran, Bobb or both are at risk themselves of being charged with crimes like obstruction or lying to federal investigators, they would have a Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination.

As a result, neither could likely be compelled to testify before a grand jury about their interactions with Trump without a grant of immunity from prosecution at a minimum.

Alternatively, if prosecutors believe they already have enough evidence to charge them with crimes like obstruction or making false statements, the government could try to negotiate guilty pleas that include agreements to cooperate in return for leniency.

The Tuesday filing said that the FBI — which also subpoenaed footage from Mar-a-Lago surveillance cameras and has been working with multiple witnesses — had evidence that someone had moved boxes out of a storage room before Corcoran conducted his search.

The publicly available record does not make clear whether Corcoran or Bobb knew that or whether either or both of them knew that some documents marked as top secret were also in a desk in Trump’s office at the compound.

The prospect that investigators may seek to obtain information from Corcoran, Bobb or both would almost certainly meet with strenuous resistance from them and from Trump.

“Noises have already been made about attorney-client privilege,” Buell said, “so it’s guaranteed that is going to be a heavily litigated question.”

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1.1    4 weeks ago

It just keeps getting better and better.

His crack team of lawyers.  jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

Trump Attorney's Eye-Popping Claim On Live TV Sounds Like A Confession

Ed Mazza
Thu, September 1, 2022 at 3:49 AM
An attorney for former President Donald Trump  seemed to admit that the  highly sensitive documents  seized from Mar-a-Lago when the FBI  executed a search warrant last month  weren’t kept in the most secure of settings.

In fact, Alina Habba said on Fox News on Wednesday that the files were kept in an office where Trump “frequently” had guests.

Habba took issue with a photo the Justice Department included in its   legal brief  detailing the reason for the search warrant and what was discovered. That image showed top secret documents and other classified materials, with key information covered up, arranged on the floor:

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Some of the documents found at Mar-a-Lago. (Photo: via Associated Press)

Some of the documents found at Mar-a-Lago.  (Photo: via Associated Press)

“I do have firsthand knowledge, as you know. I have been down there, I’m down there frequently,” Habba told Sean Hannity. “I have never seen that. I have never, ever seen that. That is not the way his office looks. Anybody that knows President Trump’s office, he has guests frequently there, it’s just a joke.”

The documents recovered during the search included  highly sensitive materials that should only be kept in a secured facility . While Trump’s team has previously claimed that anything he had at Mar-a-Lago was kept secure, Habba’s admission that these items were actually in a room where he “frequently” had guests was unlikely to help his case. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.9    4 weeks ago

Oh come on...We want to hear from you.

Please tell us where the indictment is?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.10    4 weeks ago

You know they can't tell you where the indictment is.  You would first need evidence to get an indictment. 

Couple that with the picture in 3.1.9 it displays mishandling of classified material.  How can you get an indictment with mixed up documents in that fashion?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.11    4 weeks ago
How can you get an indictment with mixed up documents in that fashion?

I wonder who made that mess?  Is that the way Mar-A-Lago is kept or did FBI agents do that?

Why would the DOJ even release a picture like that?  Isn't that a new low even for the dirty dems?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
3.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.12    4 weeks ago

My understanding is that the mess is from the FBI.  That photo is supposedly evidence in their raid.  What it really is evidence of is the FBI's mishandling of classified material.  

Those pages with the yellow border are not supposed to be on the same table as the pages with the red borders. 

The documents without the yellow or red cover sheets should not be photographed in that fashion.  

The documents without the coversheets (assuming they are confidential or unclassified), shouldn't be on the same table as the pages with the red or yellow borders.  

Releasing them like this is some Bradly Manning level mishandling of classified material.  In a nutshell, somebody should be going to prison for this photo.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.13    4 weeks ago

It obviously leaves the impression that secret documents were strewn over the floor in a careless manner.  That has to be the purpose behind the release of the photo.

My God, progressive propaganda is so juvenile!  Who buys such nonsense?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
3.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.14    4 weeks ago
Who buys such nonsense?

Progressive juveniles.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.15    4 weeks ago

Lol, that's right and I think you may have just given a new name to their collegiate constituency

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1.17  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.9    4 weeks ago

Ah yes, the dumb fucking ass agents that laid out supposedly top secret and highly classified information on the floor at Mar-a-Lago to take a picture of it.

Nice political fucking theatre. The agents responsible should be terminated immediately since they damn well knew it would be leaked.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 weeks ago

Of course the DOJ opposes a Special Master.  It would expose them for the partisan BS they've been covering up for.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2    4 weeks ago

Don't forget, they had their partisan "taint" squad look through it ....and toss it on the floor and take pictures of it....and go through the First Lady's intimate clothing...before separating the privileged documents....that they are still holding.

So if Trump does end up running again, we can expect to hear whoever his opponent is to be referring to embarrassing attorney/client information. By that time people may have forgotten how it was acquired.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
3.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    4 weeks ago
and go through the First Lady's intimate clothing

I think it was you that posted a link where certain areas of the residence that was off limits.  If I remember correctly the location of their clothing was one of those off limits areas.  

That COULD prevent any charges that are a result of the whole search.  That whole violation of the 4th Amendment thing.  As a result, it would NOT disqualify Trump from running again.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.2    4 weeks ago
That COULD prevent any charges that are a result of the whole search. 

ABSOLUTELY!

They can't prosecute this case now. I'm convinced they want him running again.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  author  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

The FBI owes the nation an explanation about whether, yet again, it intervened in American politics in the heat of a closely contested presidential election.

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devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    4 weeks ago

nobody here heard you complaining about it in october of 2016.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @4.1    4 weeks ago

You mean when Hillary and others claimed the election was stolen?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

the general election was in november.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @4.1.2    4 weeks ago

And you think Comey hurt Clinton?  If he said nothing and she won, it would have later come out that the FBI assistant Director wouldn't investigate the Weiner laptop until after the election. Comey knew how that would look for the FBI. That is why he had to make that announcement. However, prior to that he saved a guilty as sin Hillary from an indictment. In doing so he also changed the standard for the handling of classified information. Good luck indicting Trump now.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.3    4 weeks ago

seems like the dates aren't the only things you have backwards.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
5  Greg Jones    4 weeks ago

Along with the January 6 kerfuffle, Mar-a-Lago gate has become irrelevant. The electorate has lost all interest in this contrived crisis.  The whole sordid mess will have little impact on the midterms

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @5    4 weeks ago

that's the ticket, just keep telling yourself that for the next 10 weeks.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
5.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Greg Jones @5    4 weeks ago

“…January 6 kerfuffle, Mar-a-Lago gate has become irrelevant.”

kerfuffle? irrelevant? contrived? 

Good gawd, man. The blatant ignorance. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Participates
5.2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  afrayedknot @5.2    4 weeks ago
kerfuffle? irrelevant? contrived? 

That's how those who share the same feelings and ideology with the January 6th insurrectionists view it because they are really more upset that it failed than they are that right wing conservative extremists violently attacked our capital and tried to install their Fuhrer as President ending nearly 250 years of peaceful transfers of power.

The FBI raid and investigation has given many of these right wing conservatives, who just didn't make it to the insurrection but wish it had succeeded, a distraction they can use to shift the spotlight from both the January 6th hearings and the slowing of inflation, dropping of gas prices, record low unemployment and overall healthy economy.

The shameless right wing conservative wannabe fascists think they can use the FBI raid as proof of FBI corruption, liberal control of the justice department and bolster the belief in some shadow 'deep state' in the deficient minds of conservative morons, half wits, dipshits and crazy conspiracy theorists. As long as they're shouting about Trump being a victim and being unfairly targeted by a corrupt government they drown out any reason or rational thought among their party. They get their fellows riled up and foaming at the mouth with self-righteous indignation with fantasy's of a new civil war where the right wing white nationalist conservative Christians purge their 'Promised Land' of the godless liberal secularists, lgtbq Americans, Muslims, Jews and anyone who refuses to bow before their white Jesus or his fat orange proxy on earth.

The blatant ignorance.

Ignorance is just a lack of knowledge. They saw what happened that day, they saw capital police being hit with flag poles, pepper sprayed and beaten unconscious. These folk are being blatantly stupid.

Ignorant: adjective - lacking knowledge or awareness in general

Stupid: adjective - having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @5.2    4 weeks ago

That is all certain posters contribute.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.2.1    4 weeks ago
You always get it correct DP.  Hit it straight out of the park . . . . . as usual

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.2.1    4 weeks ago

As opposed to the indoctrinated scum that actually killed a dozen people during the 2020 riots.

We see you now!

 
 
 
Snuffy
Masters Guide
5.3  Snuffy  replied to  Greg Jones @5    4 weeks ago

I don't know how much impact it will have on the midterms, we won't know until November.  But I suspect it will have more of an impact.  It's a golden opportunity for the Democrats and their lackies in main-stream media.  This allows a focus on Trump, who just cannot keep his mouth shut, and allows for a continued rehashing of his favorite line about the stolen election of 2020 and how out of control the government is.  Add to this the Trump backed candidates who won their primaries and now have to compete for moderates and independents against the in-your-face campaign commercials and news reports, several of whom are now in the process of cleaning up their social history in order to more appeal to the moderates.  

The campaigning has already gotten ugly and I expect the next 10 weeks are gonna be even worse. Will it succeed in bringing out the younger Democrat voters? The Republicans need to stop making the election about Trump and focus on what has gone wrong with the country in the past 2 years, highlighting the disaster that was the pullout from Afghanistan, the economy, foreign policy mistakes, how the Biden administration has handled the Covid pandemic after they so loudly hammered the previous administration of their handling it.. 

We'll have to wait until November but I sure wish this campaign season was already done.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @5.3    4 weeks ago

The Republicans need to stop making the election about Trump and focus on what has gone wrong with the country in the past 2 years, highlighting the disaster that was the pullout from Afghanistan, the economy, foreign policy mistakes, how the Biden administration has handled the Covid pandemic after they so loudly hammered the previous administration of their handling it.. 

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.1    4 weeks ago

So you agree.

Very good!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.2    4 weeks ago

I told you not to put words in my mouth.  Stop that.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
5.3.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.2    4 weeks ago

Good to see at least 1 person from the left realizing that the focus should be on Biden and the travesty of the last 2 years.  Maybe that will spread.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.4    4 weeks ago

They are too busy celebrating a special election victory held during a primary that is only good until January.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.3    4 weeks ago

It appears that you put Snuffy's words in your mouth.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
5.3.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.5    4 weeks ago

that's exactly what it is.  I guess they are forgetting that it's only temporary.  But then again, they still believe the inflation is temporary.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.7    4 weeks ago

Think of it:  a special election to fill a seat until January, during a primary, when only a fraction of the electorate participates.

They are all over this site celebrating. Some are celebrating the temporary defeat of Palin. Others that a democrat won this 4 month term and best of all there is a gang celebrating that it was a Native American that won without mention of why.

I say it speaks volumes

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
5.3.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.8    4 weeks ago

I did notice the defeat of Palin.  I didn't even know she was still relevant.  But looking at those who are celebrating, they still think Trump is relevant and running a political party.  So there is the whole not being able to move on to more important aspect of it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.9    4 weeks ago

They do have their little obsessions. Palin's name will be right back on the ballot on November 8th when the majority of voters will be voting. In the meantime we have no less than 3 stories on her temporary defeat. I thought that was against one of our new rules here? 

It is astonishing to note who is part of the hate fest.

I try to keep focused on important issues.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
5.3.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.10    4 weeks ago

That's what I don't get with them.  Their obsessions are almost always on the irrelevant.  Trump, Palin.  Neither have any real effect on their lives aside from this obsession. 

You're right.  Palin's name will be back on the ballot in 2 months, and god forbid she wins that round.  Not that she'll screw anything up (that's yet to be seen), but the whining and crying from those who are celebrating right now will be magnified.   

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.11    4 weeks ago
That's what I don't get with them.  Their obsessions are almost always on the irrelevant.  Trump, Palin.  Neither have any real effect on their lives aside from this obsession. 

It's all part of the ideology they were indoctrinated with. Genuine human suffering means nothing. Symbolism and pronouns and virtue signaling are paramount. They were taught that all of human history amounts to nothing but oppression and victims. They were gullible.


Palin's name will be back on the ballot in 2 months, and god forbid she wins that round.  Not that she'll screw anything up (that's yet to be seen), but the whining and crying from those who are celebrating right now will be magnified.  

Should Palin win it will be a mere footnote, because on that night they will experience a terrible beating and the person they will dislike most shall be me.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
5.3.13  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.12    4 weeks ago

“They were taught that all of human history amounts to nothing but oppression and victims.”

Not ‘nothing but’, but a significant, irrefutable aspect of our shared history.

Unless of course you align with those who claim the writing of history belongs solely to the vanquishers 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @5.3.13    4 weeks ago

"The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions." ~ Karl Marx


https://pulpitandpen.org/2019/07/17/nea-continues-sinister-plan-to-indoctrinate-american-children/#:~:text=Karl%20Marx%20once%20wrote%20%E2%80%9CThe%20education%20of%20all,was%20the%20key%20to%20enacting%20lasting%20cultural%20change.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
5.3.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.12    4 weeks ago
They were gullible.

It's not they "were" gullible.  They still are.  A cursory look just around this site is evidence of that.

Should Palin win it will be a mere footnote

You're right.  Re-thinking it, a Palin win will probably bring silence.  If anything it would be due to embarrassment.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.15    4 weeks ago
A cursory look just around this site is evidence of that.

LMAO, Yes, I guess you are right on that!


 If anything it would be due to embarrassment.  

Shame would indicate a measure of humanity. I would hope so.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
5.3.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.16    4 weeks ago
Shame would indicate a measure of humanity. I would hope so.

I'm not holding my breath.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.18  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.6    4 weeks ago

No

 
 

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