Round Two
The link to the quote above: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-office-hits-back-class-action-suit-migrants-reveals-consent-form-allegedly-signed
For all those who may not know it, progressives are still hurting from Republican Governors sending a handful of illegal migrants to big blue cities and a liberal resort town. It was a brilliant move. Progressives are striking back, more like flailing. Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar has launched an investigation into supposed promises made to migrants by the Gov of Florida, a Presidential candidate. The liberals of Martha's Vineyard, who shuffled off the 50 migrants to a military base on Cape Cod filed a class action lawsuit against the Governor.
They got out-foxed again it seems, since, the Governor had all of the migrants sign a consent form (available in English and Spanish):
"The form reads: "I agree to hold the benefactor or its designed representatives harmless of all liability arising out of or in any way relating to any injuries and damages that may occur during the agreed transport to locations outside of Texas until the final destination in Massachusetts."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-office-hits-back-class-action-suit-migrants-reveals-consent-form-allegedly-signed
This time democrats got beat. Their allies in the media refused to report on the open border. Now the border is in the news.
It will be an election issue.
Not long ago it was pointed out to someone here that the migrants getting off one of those buses admitted that the border was wide open. That person responded with "that's only a matter of their opinion!"
I really can't wait to hear the defense of what the migrants were motivated to say in that class action suit.
About 30% of the population of Chicago are people of hispanic ethnicity. Obviously Chicago is not averse to immigrants from south of the border. They just want it to be done in an organized way that reflects a national system.
Looks like they will have to learn to deal with it like border states. Declaring yourself a sanctuary city probably didn't help the situation in Chicago either.
JR, if the Biden Administration was doing this in an organized way there would be no discussion.
It is sickening watching elected officials play games like this. This is not responsible governance. This is making problems, not finding solutions.
What is much more sickening is allowing 2 Million illegal migrants to cross into the United States.
If Biden and Harris get their way, that will be two million voters one day.
the GOP has been kicking the immigration can down the road since the raygun administration. it's but one more example of them blaming the opposition for a problem they've created, and offering solutions that financially benefit only those within the GOP that are politically connected.
What problem? Biden told us the border is secure!
Bullshit. Democrats crow about amnesty for millions, institute sanctuaries where illegal aliens are encouraged to come to, where authorities are unwilling or barred by law from cooperating with immigration authorities, and you blame Republicans?
Since you brought Reagan into it, why not do a search and find out how Democrats screwed him?
Whoo Boy, how fucked up is THAT?
That's the number for FY 2022 so far, and it doesn't include nearly a million estimated "got-aways". Among the 2 million illegal aliens were 78 known terrorists. How many terrorists were among the "got-aways"? It took only 19 terrorists to execute 9/11/2001.
GREAT point.
There is NO problem because the clownshow says so, but if there are problems, its because of Republicans.
Dumbfuck logic there.
In the blink of an eye.
Have you ever heard of the "REMAIN IN MEXICO" policy?
And that inflation was temporary
I think that was his point. It's Reagan and the Republicans' fault for believing Democrats were honest people who would live up to their promises.
As I recall it was amnesty now and border security later.
He took their word.
And I teach people too never turn ones back on them.
Completely ignoring Brandon and Co not securing our borders; or enforcing our immigration laws.
How typical.
Democrats have no interest in solving the immigration problem- other than changing the laws allowing them all to vote (whether it be by citizenship; or moving them to large Democrat bastion of stupidity cities and changing the voting laws so people count rather than registered voters when deciding voting districts.).
Democrats control the House, Senate, and White House now- but no immigration reform. Seems their agenda doesn't include immigration reform as they chose not use either of their reconciliation chances where they would need a simple majority in the Senate to pass it.
Yes, and regretted it later when Democrats renigged on the deal and did nothing for security despite their promises.
I fear what is coming
So do I. I forgot to add Biden's FY 2021 portion of illegal aliens, which is when the invasion began. Then, there's the Mexican cartels' illegal drug trafficking (especially fentanyl), human trafficking, sex trade - all caused by Biden's open border policies.
He has created the worst national nightmare this side of aggressive malignant cancer.
Build the wall.
And the wall that was built did seem to have a desired effect. What has completely failed has been Biden's policies toward immigration.
Ya! That's exactly what #45 has done and is still doint.
doint?
“He has created the worst national nightmare this side of aggressive malignant cancer.”
Equating a ‘national’ dilemma, and it is a dilemma, with the most personal of diagnoses is at best a clunky analogy and at the very least just more partisan polemics.
Hey, wait just a minute here.
Are you saying the Biden/Harris clownshow actually HAS policies regarding immigration?
Is amnesty a policy?
I thought it was a way to put the damage Biden has done to this country in proper perspective.
Yes illegal immigration is a big problem that this administration is not addressing.
Your post was pure deflection from my point.
Happiness is a warm thumb.
Yes, Biden/Harris has an immigration policy. That policy is to create problems along the border so they can call Republicans racist. Who woulda thought that sanctuaries could have become part of the problem?
Not addressing or maintaining an open border?
Your question is incoherent. What, specifically, are you trying to say?
You say he is not addressing the crisis. I'm asking if an open border is the policy?
Is that the topic of this article? Seems to me you wrote specifically about the transporting of illegals.
Now you want to discuss border policy in general?
The policy of the Biden administration does not seem to me to be 'open border'. It seems to be more of ignoring the border problems.
But you would do better discussing this with someone who thinks our current administration of the border is being properly handled.
The GOP doesn't want to fix the immigration problem because if they do, they'll have to find a new political football. Every single time a Dem is in office, the right immediately starts crying about the border...think about it.
In this particular case, it's justified. FFS 2 Million in just over a year and a half?
Raygun pardoned over 5 million... STFU.
Yeah, Reagan foolishly believed Democrats would keep their word. They lied and did not keep it, thus proving why we can't trust Democrats to do what they say they will do.
On the promise from the dems they would tighten up the border security to slow illegal entry to a crawl. They lied and didn't follow through. STFU indeed
What administration is that? I looked and looked and even googled and could find nothing.
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So which upsets you more, the fact that the illegals are VOLUNTEERING to get on the bus and moved to sanctuary cities or that blue sanctuary cities are forced to deal with unscheduled bus loads of illegals arriving in their sanctuary cities?
They are not volunteering.
And your proof of this is where again?
Did you not see the consent form illegal aliens signed? Vic posted it above.
Right along with yours.
According to faux news.
So you DON'T have anything to disprove the article and just want to troll.
No, according to Taryn Fenske who is the Communications Director in the Executive Office of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. She provided FNC with the document. It was explicitly stated in the article.
Try again.
My comment was unclear to you?:
I think it is to be expected that illegals are volunteering to get on the bus given the promise of a better life in the new location. Does that behavior of an illegal immigrant surprise you?
My comment clearly focused on the irresponsibility of the governor's actions; in particular the loading of illegals and shipping them off to another city as a political jab.
So it is now irresponsible for governors to ensure aliens are fed, housed, clothed, and given medical care?
Don't sanctuaries tout how effective they are in providing for aliens?
I ask you a question in 2.2. Was my question unclear to you? You even quoted it and STILL didn't answer.
I do not know where you get this crap since I have not suggested anything even remotely close to that. I am not going to chase your stupid tangents.
Get a new game. Every time I answer a question of yours you claim I did not. If you cannot put forth a cogent rebuttal just move on.
According to faux news.
You try again.
Get a new game.
I'm merely playing YOUR game. You should be well versed in it. And no, you didn't answer my question.
Do you actually think that this utterly witless approach of denying answers is good for you? Do you think people are stupid enough to fall for such a lame tactic? And now you add projection on top?
Buy a vowel, Jeremy.
Just going by your very own statements, and asking specific questions based ON your statements.
Perhaps if the questions are too difficult, you should stop making unsupported statements.
I ask you in 2.2
In what fucked up liberal logic world does a comment in 2 answer the question that was ask in 2.2?
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I answered your question @2.2 in my @2.2.8. I quoted you. Pay attention.
that's the only factual statement you've made. 2 is not an answer to 2.2. My question ask for your opinion. You deflected, tap danced and ran from it.
Jeremy, do you actually think that people cannot read that I just pointed you to my answer @2.2.8 and you ignore that and still insist that my comment @2 was intended as an answer for your @2.2?
How stupid do you think readers are?
What you gave me in 2.2.8 was a tap dance routine that even Shirley Temple would applaud.
Now go find somebody to explain the conversation between you and I from 2.2 until now. Maybe then you'll see it.
Since you insist ...
Yet even you insist on referring to immigrants who have been processed through immigration, plead for and been granted temporary refugee status by a US immigration judge, given papers and released, "Illegals". These people are now here legally...
Visa overstayers and unintercepted border jumpers are "Illegals". But, all of these actual refugees who are being shipped to New York, Chicago, Washington DC and Martha's Vineyard by Desantis and Abbott are Not Illegal! Can we at least be honest?
Are you surprised by that?
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So tell Democrats to get cracking. They control the House, Senate, and White House.
Of course you will have to get Democrats to admit there is a problem first.
Well, Democrats can't recognize a problem without admitting Biden and Harris lied.
On what, controlling the border? Yes, that is what they should do. Too bad they do not listen to me.
DeSantis and Abbott didn't create the problems, they are actually attempting to draw attention to them and trying to get the clownshow of Biden and Harris to DO something.
Playing political games with people is not solving the problem; it is irresponsible, inhumane and childish. This bussing of immigrants fits the bill of 'clown show'.
How is providing transportation to places where migrants can be fed, housed, clothed and given medical care irresponsible, inhumane, or childish?
Good grief Texan, how can you possibly not understand this?
It would be responsible if the transportation was done as part of a program wherein the destination was willing and prepared to take care of these people.
Bussing people to a destination that is not part a defined (that means mutually agreed and designed) program and not prepared as a political jab is irresponsible, inhumane and childish.
When You LIE about the circumstances and what is at the end of the rainbow, it is irresponsible, inhumane, and childish, sorta like your defense of this bullshit.
I do understand, and am perplexed at your complete lack of understanding that.
Declaring your city or state a sanctuary means you are willing to accept these folks here, legally or not.
So you claim.
Of course, if we had a President and VP that gave a fuck about it, perhaps we wouldn't be at this point where governors are having to do things to get the attention of Democrats.
Not one thing inhumane, despite your oft-repeated claim, about giving folks clothes, food and shelter.
So you are saying sanctuaries are refusing to provide for aliens?
THAT would be the only way what I wrote is a lie.
Disantis lied to these human pawns about what awaited them at the end of their journey. Are you in favor of people, human beings in desperate circumstances, being used to make "political 'points", because that is what Disantis and company are using them for, and people are not pawns, but short people, can sometimes be prawns.
You repeat your strawman.
Lying to people and bussing them to a location that is unprepared to handle them is absolutely NOT giving people clothes, food and shelter.
Prove it.
Not a strawman, you specifically and repeatedly have called it inhumane, never once stating HOW it is inhumane.
I want proof, not your feelings.
Tex, like you, i can only go off of what has been reported so far, and this is what i have read about it. If you have proof otherwise, how about You, "Prove it."
You claimed he lied, all I am asking for is for you to prove your claim.
Haven't you been here many times where it is said that those making claims are expected to support said claims?
Borrowed from Thomas's post 2.9
Very nice borrowing.
Now, do you have anything proving DeSantis lied?
Is Disantis telling the truth to you ? If so, please provide proof of his truth, over that of the immigrants.
Yes, and I will take his word until proof is provided he lied.
Just like you would take Trump's word over insurmountable walls (that Mexico paid for) of evidence pointing against those words....time will tell, and i believe you will be again, taken, by lying Pols who make fools out of their defenders, so, N JOY !
TRUMP DEFLECTOR SHIELDS ENGAGED, CAPTAIN!
Very Good,. Chek off
Totally appreciated you deflecting, and wanted to honor that!
“…not finding solutions.”
That would take serious thought, sadly a trait that too few possess. Members of both parties are content in kicking the can further down the road, pointing fingers, and using the voiceless as political pawns.
‘Nothing new under the sun.’
What happened to the REMAIN IN MEXICO Policy?
Or Title 42? Biden allowed millions of unvaxxed illegal aliens to enter and roam around the US throughout the pandemic while US citizens were chastised, fired, not allowed to go to school if they didn't get the shot(s).
that shows who Biden likes better
I hope Americans remember that on November 8th
It was obvious on Day One. After his "unity speech", he signed a bunch of EOs that started destroying our economy, safety, and sovereignty. What a guy!
Yes, it is disgusting to see the Biden administration making a bad situation much worse by using immigrants as pawns in their quest for possible future votes
That is changing the topic. Of course illegal immigration is currently a Biden administration failure. You are deflecting.
Then, Biden shouldn't have started it in the spring of 2021 when he secretly flew illegal aliens to TN, NY, NJ, and other states and thought he could get away with it. Abbott and DeSantis are merely forcing left-wing media and Democrats to finally pay attention to the southern border crisis that the Biden/Harris Administration created with their own policies.
Correct, Biden has failed in border management. That does not excuse the childish, inhumane political stunts of this topic.
You are deflecting.
Interesting that now providing shelter, food, clothing, medical care is inhumane.
Weird as hell, but interesting in a train-wreck kind of way.
I'm so glad we agree.
The deflection is your comment. Abbott and DeSantis didn't perform "childish, inhumane political stunts". Whether people like it or not, these two men brought immediate attention to the complete dereliction of duty of the Biden Administration to execute and uphold his Presidential Oath of Office.
Unable to debate the facts so twist the situation to your liking?
Just cut the lame tactics Jasper. Me challenging your deflection is not a deflection.
Yeah they raised attention. That does not change the fact that this was a childish, inhumane political stunt.
Don't like getting called out on bullshit claims?
What bullshit claim did I make?
The fact is that migrants were lied to and the transported to a location that had no idea they were coming and was entirely unprepared to deal with them. You consider that humane and responsible?
That sending a few migrants to other places is somehow inhumane. It was pretty clear, are you having difficulty keeping up?
A claim unsupported, that they were lied to. Unprepared? Shouldn't sanctuaries have some standing policies in place, or is it only limited to not cooperating with real immigration authorities?
Lying to migrants and shipping them to a location that was not expecting them and was unprepared to handle them and certainly not able to make the lies true is inhumane.
It is amazing that someone needs to explain this to you.
Something you have failed to prove, despite being asked to.
It is amazing that someone needs to explain this to you
Opinion, not fact.
I'll let you know when I give you permission to control me. Good-bye.
They are going to be like this until the election.
They have nothing else to run on so they are going to froth from their mouths about how bad it is, conveniently ignoring that their beloved donald actually shipped immigrants across the country, same as Biden.
They think building a wall will actually work and point fingers at trump and say he worked on it and made improvements while ignoring the fact there was two years of a pandemic that drastically slowed the numbers.
Not under Trump. Possibly VERY late '19 and all of '20. Now, about '17 and '18...........................
What new problems did shipping a few immigrants north create specifically?
It is just raising political tensions with childish, inhumane stunts. That is counterproductive. What would be productive is for the governors to work together to coerce/encourage the Biden administration to deal with border security.
You said problems.
Are feelings problems now?
Work together? Seems like governors in Arizona, Texas, and Florida ARE working together. It isn't exactly the fault of the governors that the Biden/Harris clownshow refuses to do anything or even recognize there IS a problem.
You do not comprehend how raising political tensions in this nation is a problem??
'Working together' to engage in theatrics is counterproductive. It is not what one would expect of responsible adults trying to do what is best for their states and the nation.
Raising political tensions? Is that because Democrats don't want to acknowledge their utter border failures and hate getting exposed in their hypocrisy?
Your hope for a Kumbaya moment went out the window long ago regarding the border.
Most people recognized that fact when Democrats screwed Reagan.
That makes no sense. The act of bussing immigrants to another city by surprise is a political prank. It raises tensions just like every other aggressive partisan act raises tensions.
I seek productive solutions to problems, not political pranks. You deem adult problem solving to be 'Kumbaya'. That is exactly the kind of attitude that continues the unhealthy divisiveness in our nation.
Others can see where it does make sense. Sorry you can't see.
I don't care if a few Democrats get their feather ruffled. They support Biden's policies, so let them get a little taste of what that really entails.
Sorry (not really), but I can't pretend that Democrats are interested in solutions based on what they have done and what they propose.
Do you think amnesty is a solution???
Kamala says the border is secure and she would never lie, would she?
Well, only on days ending in a 'y'. The 'y' is very important to other 'y's because the 'ys' are so important to themselves, because 'y'!
Let them come.
It is interesting to note that the waiver that they allegedly signed is only for " injuries and damages " related to the transport. Further, the waiver itself states that the, " benefactors and designated officials represent that they are not providing transportation made in furtherance of any unlawful entry into the United States, " which would seem to indicate that they are not illegal but migrants who have filed for asylum, no matter the content of 2.1 .
It is also interesting to note that some of these same migrants want to return to Martha's Vineyard because of the warm reception that they recieved there, in contrast to DeSantis's allegation of bussing them away because they did not want them. Ultimately, the more human and humane thing to do is to make sure that all people have their basic human needs met.
I concur, with the corollary that this is what Governance looks like today.
“If these activists spent even a fraction of this time and effort at the border, perhaps some accountability would be brought to the Biden Administration’s reckless border policies that entice illegal immigrants to make dangerous and often lethal journeys through Central America and put their lives in the hands of cartels and Coyotes,” Feske continued.
Wonder how long it will take Sherriff Salazar to figure out all of the migrants signed a waiver that was presented in both English and Spanish?
DeSantis should send the Sherriff copies ASAP to save Bexar County taxpayers some money. Not that Salazar really cares about the truth; or legality for that matter.
BTW, we are talking about 3 unnamed migrants.
Probably wearing BIDEN T-shirts
Always those unnamed, unknowable, rather specter like sources the leftist media loves to use; and recirculate between themselves.
Ask them to produce one of these sources and they will cry confidentiality!
Press them in a court of law and they will invariably say their source was really a source used by another journalist and they were just siting it unvetted.
I'll always fondly remember how they tried to hide who the Ukrainian call whistleblower was. The world only needed 5 minutes of listening to Alexander Vindman to figure it out!
This is hilarious. So much for that "human trafficking" allegations the left is ignorantly running with.
Do they know the legal definition?
My money is on no.
There's something comedic to watching the same people who cheer Biden flying migrants around the country, refuse to act on record breaking border crossings and deaths, claim DeSantis is "irresponsible" for drawing attention to the President's policies and asking those who support and enable the current border situation to step up and help deal with the consequences of their refusal to even attempt to secure the border.
So long as the migrants are bussed in the dark and die with no fanfare on the border, everything's fine. That's good governing!
Well, the number of illegal immigrants transported to sanctuary cities and states have been much more than a handful. But it's still a tiny fraction of the numbers crossing the border illegally. This isn't a handful problem; it's orders of magnitude larger than that.
These mayors and governors (especially DeSantis) are being accused of playing political games. The Biden administration's attempts to sweep the problem under the rug is a political game, too. Biden has made the issue of an open border a political game thinking he can score points by making Republicans look like racists.
The southern border is overwhelmed and out of control. And Biden still refuses to address the issue because he wants to use illegal immigrants to score political points. Biden plays the dirtiest of political games.
“…thinking he can score points by making Republicans look like racists.”
Some things are self-evident…
Yes, it is clear that the Biden/Harris Administration is a clownshow with no plans for the border beyond letting millions in and giving amnesty to millions more.
I am surprised more Democrats haven't been able to identify that fact.
It shows that Democrats don't care about or have compassion for these immigrants. It's very clear who the real racists are.
Do you think that lying to illegals and then bussing them to another city as a political prank is showing compassion for these human beings?
How is that different than lying to people and busing them to the southern border?
You know, these migrants are paying their own way to the southern border. All that changes once they cross the border illegally. What kind of policy is that?
Lying to and bussing immigrants from one place to another is counterproductive in general. Is this not obvious??
Well, the political game is that these people are not immigrants until they cross the southern border illegally. These people are paying their own way to the southern border so they can enter illegally and become victims.
You know, Mexico is being overwhelmed, too. Biden's open border policy is becoming an international problem. Biden will end up providing money to Mexico just so Democrats can call Republicans racist.
The winners in Democrat's game of dirty politics are the human traffickers south of our border. Someone is lying to people to entice them to the southern border. And it's not the border states or Republicans.
It’s hysterical watching posters say how wrong this is, saying this isn’t a solution.
It’s a solution for their state, maybe if the idiot President Obama didn’t sue states that prevent them from participating in immigration they would be more likely to help.
It is irresponsible governance.
That is merely your opinion.
My opinion is that at least the governors are attempting to draw attention to a problem greatly exacerbated by the Biden/Harris inactions and lack of planning or even offering any solutions.
Well no shit, Texan.
Opinions like that help promote irresponsible actions by our officials. Such a service to our nation.
Maybe if DeSantis gave it a catchy name like “Homeward Bound” the condescending partisan hacks would embrace the policy of moving undesirables out of their states.
When the federal government refuses to do their jobs what other choice do state have?
If Democrats don't want Republican governors shipping illegals to their elitist hypocritical racist enclaves; then they need have to force Brandon to secure the border and enforce our immigration laws.
Democrats control the White House, Congress, and Senate. Republicans can't force them to do anything. Democrats are going to have to do it themselves.
They have plenty of choices. You seem to be arguing that the only possible way to deal with illegal immigrants is to lie to them and transport them to another location that has no knowledge of their arrival and is unprepared to deal with them.
Here is a thought. Let's assume that bussing is the preferred method. Does it escape your imagination that a bussing solution could be planned so that the source and destination cities are working in unison as part of a defined process? The result being that the people are not mislead and that they are being humanely treated.
If you think that, in the complexity of managing our nation, there is only one bad 'solution' to a problem then that should be a red flag that you have not thought this through.
C'mon TiG. Did you feel the same way when the administration sent planes to Jacksonville and other destinations without warning? Under the cover of darkness no less.
I bet the answer is going to be yes.
We just could never tell it from his comments.
AH, finally you see!
Sorry, but I have never told Biden my opinion and don't really think I have anything to do with his lack of policy. I also have never voiced my opinion to sanctuary city mayors or sanctuary state Governors, so it isn't likely I had anything to do with them flouting US laws.
I cannot think of a scenario where I would consider it okay to ship human beings from one place to another as part of a political stunt.
Do you think the act in this topic was humane and responsible?
No they really don't. Democrats control everything at the federal level. They have proven for 2 years that they don't give a damn. The only way to get them to move is to make things so painful for them that they are forced to act.
First of all no one is lying to the immigrants. Secondly Democrats deserve as much notice as Republican border states are getting. In other words none.
No one is being mistreated- outside of the Democrats who hate being outed as virtue signaling hypocritical racists. That isn't mistreatment, that is a harsh reality. These are the same asshole Democrats that been insulated from the illegal immigrant surge; but continuously blast Republican border governors for being racist for complaining about it. They are sanctuary cities they are supposed to have the resources to deal with this. Think the Federal government is helping our Republican border states? It is just dump and run with no warning. Maybe they will get repaid somewhere down the road. Chances are not.
There is one damn solution that you refuse to accept. There is no working with the current status quo. Brandon must secure our borders and enforce our immigration laws! If Trump can do it; then the Human Fuck Machine in the White House can at least try!
Sorry. That's not what I asked. What did you think of the administration flying people to destinations without the destination being made aware? But from the rest of your comment, it didn't matter as long as it wasn't "part of a political stunt"?
No point continuing with someone who refuses to even consider that there are options better than this topic.
I answered your question in general. That means that every situation that fits within my description I consider to be wrong. That includes your example.
See how that works?
Don't you remember all the times he denounced the Biden Administration for pulling the political stunt of shipping aliens somewhere?
I agree no point in continuing with someone that refuses to consider securing the damn border and enforcing our immigration laws.
Get a clue, Ronin. I am for enforcing our borders. You should read before opining and cease presuming.
I do not opine on every topic. Further, I am not the topic and you are trolling.
In general yes and thanks for that. However, I asked you for an answer on a specific topic and your generalized answer did not leave out the scenarios where it wasn't considered a political stunt. Please answer what you thought of those specific flights.
Thanks
I didn't claim you opine on every topic. Isn't that usually claim is a strawman?
I also know you aren't the topic, kudos for recognizing that.
No one is trolling.
No Jim. I am not playing your stupid games. You can figure out that I consider 'x' bad if I state that all 'x' are bad.
(You clearly intended to reply to me)
Then it should not be even noteworthy if I do not opine on a particular topic. Thus you should not presume to know my opinion by virtue of my not heavily opining on something.
See? You presume too much.
You qualified it with "political stunt". Your words...............
That said, the administration didn't do it as a political stunt so did you approve?
The vast majority of liberals, progressives and Democrats want secure borders. The only real difference is that they also want to treat undocumented immigrants humanely as well as honor our commitment to asylum seekers.
I think there are two extremes that get projected by each side on to each other that completely misrepresent the real issues over immigration.
On one side, right wing conservatives claim all liberals, progressives and Democrats want "open borders" and a "free stuff" society, which is complete bullshit of course. And on the other side some on the left like to believe all right wing conservatives are just greasy beer bellied confederate flag waving white supremacists who want to build a wall to protect their "white culture" from the "brown wave".
I don't believe either extreme is accurate of the majorities on each side, most Republicans aren't racist knuckle-dragging racists and most Democrats aren't open borders socialists, yet sadly that's often where these debates between the two sides end up, forever stuck debating the extremes instead of working together towards some middle ground compromise. And I'm not saying there aren't some fringe lefties who want amnesty for everyone and no border regulation, I'm sure those crazies exist out there somewhere, just like there are clearly some racist trash conservatives that support inhumane border control and think treating undocumented immigrants worse than animals will teach them to stay away.
Maybe one day who they vote for will reflect that premise.
So far, it simply has not.
I do not approve of shipping human beings to a location if that location is not part of a process where it expects and is prepared to deal with their arrival.
That ⇡ reuses language I used earlier to describe my position.
How is it possible for you to think that I would condone flying migrants into Jacksonville sans a defined, agreed-to process and preparation to deal with their arrival?
I have noticed that a certain collection of members have chosen to engage in truly ridiculous levels of faux obtuseness; that is pure trolling.
When I reply to you, it will look like this
, but thanks for not making me point out the obvious yet again.
It isn't, yet you felt compelled to comment on it anyway.
I made an educated guess on your reply based on your comments.
A guess, I will point out, that was 100% accurate.
See? I guessed right!
You replied to Just Jim @8.1.20 with quotes from me and in response to what I wrote.
Amazing you deny even the most demonstrably obvious.
Okay, let me explain in terms you may understand.
I replied to Jim. Check.
When I reply to you, it will look like my post to you just did and this one does because it is addressed specifically to you.
Not nearly as amazing a tale as you claiming I denied something. Quote me!
Then why isn't your president doing anything about this problem...which up to now he has ignored
No one on the left has said a word about the hundreds/thousands of unvaxxed illegal aliens without any identification paperwork that Biden, Harris, and Mayorkas flew and bused all over the country since 2021 ... including Florida.
Then where is the pressure from Democrats and the left on Brandon to close the damn border? If that many on the left wanted secure borders Brandon wouldn't be able to get away with the southern border being wide open. There would be no record setting border crossing and illegals entering this country for two straight years.
No one wants illegals treated inhumanely. But our immigration laws need to be enforced; or it will only encourage more and more to come. Letting them remain in the US puts a strain on our resources. Is it fair for US citizens that are homeless and poor to compete with illegal immigrants for government services, aid, and resources? Also, we are honoring our commitment to asylum seekers. Making them remain in Mexico until their court dates is not dishonoring them. Most asylum seeker requests are denied; even with Brandon's exceedingly lax standards. Economic hardship and looking for employment are not valid reasons to grant asylum.
There can be no compromise so long as the southern border is open; and the federal government refuses to enforce our immigration laws. Funny how Democrats have no problem with Latin Americans crossing illegally into this country and requesting asylum; but when it comes to Cubans and Haitians they are automatically sent back. Seems that Cubans don't vote Democrat- so they have no use for them.
So now Cubans simply cross the southern border illegally like everyone else. They simply don't tell the BP they are Cubans.
Try Democrats in the House and Senate.
Amnesty will do nothing to slow the flood of illegals entering our country. They know that there only needs to be enough of them here; and Democrats will call for another amnesty measure.
I have no problem with immigration reform. They can start by allowing those seeking asylum to request it at any US embassy or consulate. There is no need for them to come to a US legal port of entry; or be in this country until their case is decided. Entering this country illegally before the case is decided should be grounds for immediate rejection and deportation. Next they can fix the worker VISA program so that the number of VISAs granted match the amount of workers that are needed at the time within the US. If that number lowers- and immigrants are fired from their jobs and cannot get another; then a clock starts- after a certain amount of days they will be deemed illegal. All services and aide at every level will be cut off. If they still refuse to leave they will be deported and will not be eligible to enter this country again under any VISA program.
But until the border is secured and our current immigration laws enforced to the letter; there is no room to compromise.
As for Republican governors shipping "migrants" that are here either legally (still need to see proof on that) or illegally to Democrat sanctuary cities w/o advanced notice; until the federal government provides advanced notice to border states and states where they are shipping migrants in dead of night- Democrats can pound sand. If they think handling a minute fraction of the migrants that several small border communities are forced to w/o federal assistance is bad; then they need to force Brandon to close the border and enforce immigration laws. It is simple as that. Until then they will be treated the exact same way Republican border states are treated by the federal government. It seems the only way that Democrats can be made to listen.
Also, claiming that these immigrants were mistreated in any way during this process is a complete lie; and just political red meet for the Democrat base. Democrats and the leftist media should be concentrating on the overcrowding and deplorable conditions at the migrant processing centers. That is truly inhumane.
Places that call themselves sanctuary cities deserve all the illegal aliens that can be delivered to them
And those sanctuaries should not receive federal funds for the benefits extended to illegal aliens.
Ya! All those feral cats, right charger?
They must want the feral cats
I hope that governors continue to disperse aliens to all the sanctuaries Democrats love, well, love until they actually GET some aliens.
Wait until shipments start arriving on wannabe president Newsom's sanctuary doorsteps! He's gonna go ballistic!
During the Obama administration an outline for comprehensive immigration reform was reached, bipartisan, in the Senate but the right wing Republican bomb throwers in the House would not agree to it.
Generally, over the years , Republicans have not been willing to agree to a path to citizenship and the Democrats have not agreed to more border controls without a path to citizenship for the migrants who are already here.
This all could have been worked out through compromise years ago.
Anyone that is in the US illegally doesn't deserve a pathway to citizenship.
We have done the whole amnesty bullshit with Reagan. Reagan went along with amnesty; and Democrats were supposed to provide funding and secure the border. We can all see how well Democrats keep their damn word!
So no damn deals with Democrats until the border gets secure permanently, and all illegals within the US get expelled. Then there can be a discussion about temporary work VISA immigration reform. One that bases the number of work VISA's allowed on the number of open jobs available. When the jobs decrease the work VISA's are canceled for those that are no longer employed, and they are expelled after a short period of time. No aid or benefits going to them at any level once their time expires. Just to make sure there is no reason for them to hang around any longer.
As for permanent citizenship, that should be saved for only the most rare circumstances. When the immigrant can offer a skill that the US needs. Or has provided special assistance to US forces in their country of origin that is now hostile. (None of this Brandon bullshit where anyone lucky enough to get into the Kabul airport is loaded up on a plane and is suddenly a US citizen. Speaking of which; when is Brandon going to get those US citizens, Green Card holders, and Special VISA holders out of Afghanistan that he abandoned. The ones that the US really owes something to?)
"This all could have been worked out through compromise years ago".
Obama never compromised with the Republicans. He made that clear early on.
"I have a phone and I have a pen" -
Yup - 'nuff said.
It would have been easy for the Republican governors involved to get on the good side of this current issue. Abbott and/or DeSantis notify the mayor of New York, or wherever, that they are over capacity in their states and have to send some of the migrants north. Then say in one week I am sending x amount of migrants to your city. This would have put the "blame" or the outcome, solely on the northern mayors and governors.
But Abbott and DeSantis did not do that, undoubtedly because that wouldnt be a dramatic enough "owning" of the libs. They sent thousands of people north with no heads up to the agencies up there, and now the GOP far right governors look like sadistic fools.
Oh well.
And exactly is the "good side of this current issue"? Surely you aren't suggesting they get on the Democrats side of this. We already know that's a failing policy they are running.
Did Biden give notice when he sent out his midnight flights? I don't recall hearing anything about that. While, yes, it is petty, but it brought to light a problem that this administration adamantly states doesn't exist. And with that these Democrat run sanctuary cities are experiencing what border states are experiencing. Naturally at a much smaller scale.
Does the federal government give the Republican controlled border states any warning? Seems to be a dump and dump some more operation. With no end in sight. Why should Democrats get any notice?
You still can't get over the fact that your elitist virtue signaling sanctuary city Democrats were shown to be out right racists.
Republicans need to continue to ship these migrants to Democrat bastions of stupidity until Democrats wake up and force Brandon to do his damn job! Nothing less than securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws will do.
Until then Democrats can continue to be shown as the virtue signaling racist hypocrites they really are.
Oh well.
Do you think Lori Lightfoot is a sadistic fool?
"sadistic"???? She is the "Mayor" of Chicago.
They sent thousands of people north with no heads up to the agencies up there, and now the GOP far right governors look like sadistic fools.
And the WH looks like uninformed leaders or cynical politicians for not owning a federal problem.