Voters see Democrats as 'extreme' and 'less concerned about issues' that matter: Report

  

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Via:  gregtx  •  3 weeks ago  •  63 comments

Voters see Democrats as 'extreme' and 'less concerned about issues' that matter: Report
Third Way warned Democrats that holding on to control of either the House or the Senate would be "in spite of the party brand, not because of it" in a memo shared with Axios Monday.

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A left-leaning think tank is sounding the alarm on Democrats for being too extreme and not in touch with voters, as what could be a big night for Republicans looms in Tuesday's elections.

Third Way warned Democrats that holding on to control of either the House or the Senate would be "in spite of the party brand, not because of it" in a memo shared with Axios Monday.

"Despite a roster of GOP candidates who are extreme by any standard, voters see Democrats as just as extreme, as well as far less concerned about the issues that most worry them," the memo titled "Out of Touch on Priorities ... Out of Touch Ideologically ... Out of Touch on Values" says.

The memo says Democrats are leading in polls with issues such as abortion and climate change but that with the issues voters care about, such as the economy, immigration, and crime, they trail the GOP.

"Democrats are benefitting from a perception among voters that Republicans are extreme, but they cannot fully reap the gains of this view, as voters think Democrats are extreme as well," the memo said.

The bleak report from Third Way comes as Democrats are widely expected to lose control of the House of Representatives and have lost their edge on the toss-up for Senate control, per polls and predictors such as FiveThirtyEight, for Tuesday's election.


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GregTx
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1  seeder  GregTx    3 weeks ago
"Out of Touch on Priorities ... Out of Touch Ideologically ... Out of Touch on Values"....
 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1  Texan1211  replied to  GregTx @1    3 weeks ago

Gee, abortion and alleged "Jim Crow" laws aren't what are concerning voters the most?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Third Way is not a leftist group. Or even "left leaning'

The majority of the think tank's funding comes from individuals with close ties to the banking industry and its board of trustees consists mostly of investment bankers. Third Way (United States) - Wikipedia
 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1  seeder  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 weeks ago
Third Way is a national think tank that champions modern center-left ideas.

Our work is grounded in the mainstream American values of opportunity, freedom, and security. But we identify as center-left, because we see that space in U.S. politics as offering the only real path for advancing those ideals in the century ahead.

Our agenda is ambitious, aspirational, and actionable. It is built on the bedrock belief that for political movements to succeed in our political system, they must relentlessly re-imagine their policies, strategies, and coalitions.

We are fighting for opportunity, so everyone has the chance to earn a good life; progress on social issues, so all have the freedom to live the lives they choose; and security, so we are protected from 21st century global threats.

Our competitive advantage lies in our high-impact advocacy campaigns that combine rigorous policy research with a unique and incisive understanding of the vast American middle—the people who ultimately decide majorities and provide mandates for change. We design our work to persuade elected officials, intellectuals, advocates, the media, and others with political influence.

If this kind of fact-driven, future-focused orientation sounds different, it may be why the New York Times labeled us “radical centrists.” Based on our innovation, our accomplishments, and our influence, Third Way has been lauded as “the best source of new ideas in public policy” (The Washington Post), “the future of think tanks” (Reuters), and the “North American Think Tank of the Year” (Prospect Magazine).

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @2.1    3 weeks ago

It's not a liberal group. In fact their political position is a rival to the Democratic Party progressives. In other words, they have an ulterior motive in saying Democrats havent listened to the voters. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1.2  seeder  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

See 3.3 if you need other sources...

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.3  Ender  replied to  GregTx @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

Opinion writers....

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 weeks ago
."...they have an ulterior motive in saying Democrats haven't listened to the voters."
No ulterior motive in telling the truth

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3  Ozzwald    3 weeks ago
Voters See Democrats As 'Extreme' And 'Less Concerned About Issues' That Matter: Report

According to a "memo".  The Washington Examiner also fails to disclose who wrote this "memo" and where this "memo" originated from.  

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.1  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @3    3 weeks ago

No, it's in the seed.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @3.1    3 weeks ago

No, it's in the seed.

It's YOUR seed.  Haven't you read it???

"Despite a roster of GOP candidates who are extreme by any standard, voters see Democrats as just as extreme, as well as far less concerned about the issues that most worry them," the memo titled "Out of Touch on Priorities ... Out of Touch Ideologically ... Out of Touch on Values" says.

The memo says Democrats are leading in polls with issues such as abortion and climate change but that with the issues voters care about, such as the economy, immigration, and crime, they trail the GOP.

"Democrats are benefitting from a perception among voters that Republicans are extreme, but they cannot fully reap the gains of this view, as voters think Democrats are extreme as well," the memo said.

That is everything about the memo in your seed.  Now you tell me, who wrote it and where did it come from?

Sounds to me like it is a "memo" from the RNC, Breitbart, OAN, Trump campaign, or some other equivalent organization.

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.1.2  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Why yes I did.

Third Way warned Democrats that holding on to control of either the House or the Senate would be "in spite of the party brand, not because of it" in a memo shared with Axios Monday.

Does that help any?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.1.3  Jack_TX  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.1    3 weeks ago
It's YOUR seed.  Haven't you read it???

Yes.  He clearly has.

Perhaps if you actually read the seed, you might be able to participate in the conversation more effectively. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

Does that help any?

No. 

Where does it say the memo originated from "Third Way"?  It states that Third Way shared a memo they had received.  You can pretend to read more into that, but the fact is that it does not speak to who or where it originated from.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Jack_TX @3.1.3    3 weeks ago
Yes.  He clearly has.

No he clearly has not.  He is now making assumptions about things which are not specified in the article.

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.1.6  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.4    3 weeks ago
It states that Third Way shared a memo they had received.

Where does it say that? No, despite your edit it still doesn't say that. 

 
 
 
George
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GregTx
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3.1.8  seeder  GregTx  replied to  George @3.1.7    3 weeks ago

That was nice of you. Probably futile, but nice.

 
 
 
George
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3.1.9  George  replied to  GregTx @3.1.8    3 weeks ago

If we don't make the effort to educate, they will remain Biden supporters.

LGBFJB

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @3.1.6    3 weeks ago
Where does it say that? No, despite your edit it still doesn't say that.

If they didn't receive the memo, internally or externally, how did they have it to share???????? 

Seriously, do you even think about what you are typing before clicking Post?

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.1.11  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.10    3 weeks ago

Ahhh, I see.  Thank you for your posts.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  GregTx @3.1.11    3 weeks ago
Ahhh, I see.

He doesn't read or doesn't understand what he reads pretty regularly.

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.1.13  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.12    3 weeks ago

I would expect that condition will worsen this week. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  GregTx @3.1.13    3 weeks ago
I would expect that condition will worsen this week. 

News of the elections might not be available in alternate realities, so who knows?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3    3 weeks ago
According to a "memo".  The Washington Examiner also fails to disclose who wrote this "memo" and where this "memo" originated from.  

Maybe you should look at the polls.

Many of them say Democrats are out of touch with voters because of their lack of attention to crime, immigration, the border, and inflation.

Pretending otherwise will just result on shock tomorrow when the GOP wins.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2    3 weeks ago
Maybe you should look at the polls.

So we are talking about a memo, from the seeded article.  Yet you jump in with some off topic bullshit about polls.  What do polls have to do with who and where the memo came from?

Can you answer that question, or will you more likely post some more unrelated crap that you dug out from the underside of your toilet?

 
 
 
George
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3.2.2  George  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.1    3 weeks ago

Sigh, the Memo from 3rd way is based on a Survey, See generally a poll.  I will ask the same questions as the others, did you bother to read the seeded article? and did you click on any of the links like this one?  

Overcoming the Democratic Party Brand – Third Way

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.1    3 weeks ago
So we are talking about a memo, from the seeded article.

Yes, the same one that is clear about where it came from--clear to everyone but you.

Hmmmmm....put on your thinking cap here.

Voters claim Democrats out of touch. Where could such info possibly come from? A poll?

Gee, this is real hard having to explain the very basics to you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3    3 weeks ago
According to a "memo".  The Washington Examiner also fails to disclose who wrote this "memo" and where this "memo" originated from.

How can you possibly think the memo came from anywhere but Third Way after allegedly reading the article????????

DID you actually read it, or did you just grossly misunderstand what you read?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4  Texan1211    3 weeks ago

Even some liberal-leaning folks are starting to see the light of day.

Probably much too late, much too little to change the outcome of tomorrow's elections.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
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5  independent Liberal    3 weeks ago

The Democrat party is losing a lot of liberals. They really have become a populist party much like the Republicans with ridiculous agendas that serve no one.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @5    3 weeks ago

Source?

 
 
 
independent Liberal
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5.1.1  independent Liberal  replied to  Ender @5.1    3 weeks ago

You want a source for an opinionated comment or do you want names and numbers of liberals that have become disenfranchised with the corrupt establishment politics in a party they once had hoped would align with their views?

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.2  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

So in other words you are just stating your opinion with no facts to back it up.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ender @5.1    3 weeks ago
Democrat party is losing a lot of liberals.

" As we move into the endgame of the 2022 election, the Democrats face a familiar problem. America’s historical party of the working class keeps losing working-class support. And not just among white voters. Not only has the emerging Democratic majority I once predicted failed to materialize, but many of the nonwhite voters who were supposed to deliver it are instead voting for Republicans."

"You’re a political scientist and the author of several books, including The Optimistic Leftist (2017) and, with John Judis, The Emerging Democratic Majority (2002). Most recently, you’ve warned liberals that the Democratic Party’s lurch to the left will harm its ability to win future elections, in part because Democrats can no longer count on winning the Latino vote. Let’s start with definitions. Is there a “Latino vote” or are there several discrete Latino “votes” that differ by ethnicity and nationality?"  

"That election result and other data reveal that Asians are still likely to vote Democratic on the whole, but the party has seen a disproportionate decline in support among this group.

Let’s start with the national polling. As I mentioned at the top, it’s hard to get national polling that tracks Asian voters specifically. I would therefore take these trends as preliminary.

Pew Research Center polling, however, does show that Biden’s standing with Asians has dropped precipitously. He’s averaged a 53% approval rating and a 47% disapproval rating (or a +7 net approval rating, without rounding) in 2022 data. Biden won Asian voters by 44 points in 2020, according to Pew data."

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.4  Ender  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.3    3 weeks ago

Approval rating doesn't mean people are going to jump to the republicans.

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.1.5  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ender @5.1.4    3 weeks ago

Out of curiosity, did you read any of the links DOTW provided?

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.6  Ender  replied to  GregTx @5.1.5    3 weeks ago

Nope. I figured he provided what he wanted to highlight.

Does it say something else other than what Wry posted?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  GregTx @5.1.5    3 weeks ago
Out of curiosity, did you read any of the links DOTW provided?

Links asked for, received, then promptly ignored.

Brilliant!

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.1.8  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.7    3 weeks ago

It does seem to be a recurring theme around here doesn't it?

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.9  Ender  replied to  GregTx @5.1.8    3 weeks ago

Yet you have yet to say where I was wrong...

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.1.10  seeder  GregTx  replied to  Ender @5.1.6    3 weeks ago

Synopsis of the three articles linked,

Democrat party is losing a lot of liberals.

I hope that was helpful. 

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.11  Ender  replied to  GregTx @5.1.10    3 weeks ago

The first link only talks about white working class and what Hillary did wrong, we all know the 'white working class' has almost always voted republican, no big shocker....

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.12  Ender  replied to  GregTx @5.1.10    3 weeks ago

The second link is just a Q&A with opinion writers.

Historically and even now, most Latino voters still vote dem.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.13  Ender  replied to  GregTx @5.1.10    3 weeks ago

The third link talks mostly about the Asian community in San Francisco.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @5.1.11    3 weeks ago
we all know the 'white working class' has almost always voted republican,

Wow.

That seems so disconnected to what some Democrats are saying:

Are Democrats Still the Party of the Working Man? | HuffPost Entertainment

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ender @5.1.11    3 weeks ago
we all know the 'white working class' has almost always voted republican, no big shocker....

You must be very young.  The working class gave FDR, Truman and JFK and Carter their victories, it was gave a sizable Dem Congressional majority in those years.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.16  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.14    3 weeks ago

That is saying the dems need to work to win over that group.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.17  Ender  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.15    3 weeks ago

I could go back to where there were all the racists in them dem party too, time marches on and we have the demographics we have today.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @5.1.16    3 weeks ago
That is saying the dems need to work to win over that group.

They HAD that group, ignored them in favor of identity politics and pandering to smaller groups in the name of 'inclusiveness and diversity', and have lost many on that group.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @5.1.17    3 weeks ago
I could go back to where there were all the racists in them dem party too

Pretty sure we are all aware of the Democratic Party's sordid past.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.20  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ender @5.1.12    3 weeks ago
The second link is just a Q&A with opinion writers.

Does "just a Q&A" indicate that it's not worthy of consideration?

Historically and even now, most Latino voters still vote dem

Yes, but their share of the Dem margin was smaller in 2016 than 2012 and smaller in 2020 than 2016.  Does the trend stop now or continue is the question.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.21  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.18    3 weeks ago

Did they ever really? If they did it was decades ago. 

Seriously, as long as I have been paying attention to politics the camps have basically been the same.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.22  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ender @5.1.13    3 weeks ago
The third link talks mostly about the Asian community in San Francisco

One might view them as some of the more progressive Asian Americans in the country.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.23  Ender  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.20    3 weeks ago

Was the dem margin smaller or the independent sway smaller.

I still see both parties maintaining about what they historically have.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @5.1.21    3 weeks ago
Did they ever really?

Yes, they did, and freely talked about it.

I really thought everyone remotely interested in politics knew that by now.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.25  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @5.1.4    3 weeks ago
Approval rating doesn't mean people are going to jump to the republicans.

Well you will know for sure one way or another tomorrow night.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.26  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @5.1.25    3 weeks ago

I have always heard it was Independents that swayed elections.

Not whether reps were disenfranchised with their own or the dems. They usually stay about the same Imo.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.27  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @5.1.26    3 weeks ago
I have always heard it was Independents that swayed elections. Not whether reps were disenfranchised with their own or the dems. They usually stay about the same Imo.

I think the two are probably pretty well correlated.  If you're not inspiring your own base to turn out, you're unlikely to be inspiring independents to vote for you, either.

I do think there is some validity to the idea that the overwhelming majority of actual voters are much more simple in their ideology than the extreme elements of either party want to acknowledge.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6  Sean Treacy    3 weeks ago

Only the Democrats could see Donald Trump and think the best response was to get even more extreme and radical.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    3 weeks ago

Only the Republicans could nominate one of the worst people in American history for the presidency. 

Then when his worstness is inevitably and properly pointed out, constantly, blame his existence as a candidate on the other political party. 

Its not Trump's terribleness that matters, it is what the Democrats do. 

There is no honor at all in being a Republican these days. 

 
 
 
George
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6.1.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    3 weeks ago
Only the Republicans could nominate one of the worst people in American history for the presidency

Hillary is yours, that is why she lost to the second most miserable POS in history to run for president.

 
 

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