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The January 6 Whitewash Will Backfire

  

Category:  Op/Ed

Via:  hallux  •  last year  •  126 comments

By:   Tom Nichols - The Atlantic

The January 6 Whitewash Will Backfire
Tucker Carlson and the GOP are trying to erase a dark day. Their public-relations gamble is already failing.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



House Speaker Kevin McCarthy gave Fox News access to thousands of hours of video from the events of January 6, and Tucker Carlson’s effort to rewrite history isn’t just laughably incompetent; it’s already falling flat.

A Clumsy Gambit

When a mob tried to storm the Capitol on January 6, 2021, congressional Republicans—especially those in the Senate—seemed briefly to understand the magnitude of the events around them. Kevin McCarthy, then the GOP minority leader,   said   that President Donald Trump bore responsibility for the attack. Even Lindsey Graham   swore   he was done with Trump.

This new seriousness didn’t last. A year after the attack, most Republicans—including McCarthy— ducked a ceremony   at the Capitol marking the anniversary and commemorating the lives lost. McCarthy would later be elected speaker on the say-so of a handful of extremist Republicans—some of whom   openly sympathized   with the 2021 insurrectionists—who made him grovel through more than a dozen rounds of voting. Insofar as other Republicans can bring themselves to even acknowledge January 6, many of them still portray it as a legitimate protest that somehow got out of hand rather than what it really was: a   seditious conspiracy   to attack the American system of government, instigated and encouraged by a sitting president of the United States.

Heading into the 2022 midterms, the Republicans hoped that an attempt by their party’s leader to overthrow the constitutional order would be no impediment to regaining national power. The midterms, however, proved that Americans still care about their democracy and that they could not be swayed to trade their freedom away merely because gas prices are too high. At this point, the Republicans are barely holding the House, and Trump is leading the pack of possible GOP presidential candidates while yawping about “ retribution .” Most Americans  continue to think  January 6 was a terrible day for the United States and that Trump bears at least some responsibility for it.

Not to worry, Republicans. McCarthy and Fox News’s resident   pluto-populist   Tucker Carlson are on the case. Unfortunately, it’s going about as well as you’d expect from anything that involves the words   Kevin McCarthy   and   Tucker Carlson .

To recap the events of the past few weeks: McCarthy apparently decided that Carlson was the person who could remove the stain of January 6 from the Republican Party. Remember, once Trump was elected in 2016, the GOP was a national majority, holding the House, the Senate, the White House, most governor’s mansions, and most state legislatures across the country. Trump destroyed much of that, and his decision to run again meant that January 6 could not somehow be memory-holed. So the speaker gave the   ever-perplexed   Carlson access to thousands of hours of video from the attack.

The objective here was clear from the start. If the GOP is going to make a run at national power again, it must find a way to deny the reality of January 6 and neutralize the cloud of seditious stink that still clings to every Republican because of Trump and the insurrectionists. Who better than Carlson to sneer his way through a dismissal of one of the worst days in the history of the United States?

Unfortunately, the attempt to gaslight millions of people isn’t going very well. Carlson, as my colleague David Graham  points out , is engaging in a “long-standing Donald Trump approach of demanding that his supporters believe him rather than their lying eyes.” But there are likely limits to that gambit even for Carlson, who is presenting as bombshells things we already knew. It is not a revelation, for example, that the “QAnon Shaman,” Jacob Chansley, walked along with Capitol cops who were trying to keep the fur-hatted weirdo calm even while he was  howling in the Senate chamber . Carlson’s attempt to deny the danger of that moment is not only silly but also a gobsmackingly incompetent attempt to use footage depicting a rioter whose bizarre behavior was already well-known to the public.

It’s one thing to assume that the Fox audience isn’t very bright and will believe almost anything—I will gladly stipulate to that—but it’s another to ask them to leap across a chasm of credulity. Sedition-friendly Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, for example, tried to capitalize on Carlson’s after-school-video special by  immediately calling  for a new trial for Chansley. But even Fox viewers probably know that Chansley wasn’t convicted in a trial: He loquaciously  pleaded guilty  and got a stiff sentence of 41 months in prison.

I realize that, for many reasons, I am not Carlson’s target demographic. (He’s   not much of a fan   of my work either.) But when   Republican members of Congress are pushing back   on a major propaganda effort to help … well, to help the future fortunes of Republican members of Congress, things are not going well. You might have expected someone like Senator Mitt Romney of Utah to zing Carlson, and he did, saying the Fox host had gone “off the rails” and describing him as a radio “shock jock.” But conservative Senators Kevin Cramer of North Dakota and Mike Rounds of South Dakota both criticized Carlson. (Even Senate Minority Leader and   ongoing profile in courage   Mitch McConnell carefully   opined   that Fox “made a mistake” in depicting January 6 in a way that was “completely at variance” with how the head of the Capitol Police “correctly” described the day.) Senator Thom Tillis of North Carolina said Carlson’s presentation was “inexcusable” and, for good measure, “bullshit.”

Trump, of course, thanked both Carlson and McCarthy. Because, really, if the point was to reassure the American public about whether the GOP is still in the grip of violent seditionists, what better way to do it than to clumsily cherry-pick some video and then elicit   an all-caps tirade   from the leader of the Republican Party?



LET THE JANUARY 6 PRISONERS GO. THEY WERE CONVICTED, OR ARE AWAITING TRIAL, BASED ON A GIANT LIE, A RADICAL LEFT CON JOB. THANK YOU TO TUCKER CARLSON AND SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE KEVIN McCARTHY FOR WHAT YOU BOTH HAVE DONE. NEW VIDEO FOOTAGE IS IRREFUTABLE!!!


Well then. As Sonny Bunch from   The Bulwark   wryly observed   this morning: “Going to be kind of funny to watch GOP candidates dance around acknowledging that the presidential frontrunner and the party’s semi-official media organ are more or less pro-storming-the-Capitol at this point.”

As counterintuitive as it might be, perhaps the best thing for American democracy would be for Carlson to keep bumbling his way through more January 6 footage and to keep images of the insurrection in front of millions of viewers for as long as possible. If that’s how McCarthy and Carlson intend to restore the image of the GOP as a normal political party, who are any of us to argue with such public-relations geniuses?


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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    last year

In the meantime Dominion Voting is searching for just the 'right' thank you card to send off to Tucker ... fun times!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hallux @1    last year

We need to get Al Jizzerror on the job with a meme. He'll hook Dominion up

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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1.1.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1    last year
We need to get Al Jizzerror on the job with a meme.

I can't be meme to poor little Fucker Carlson, he might cry.

512  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @1    last year

Don't you know that the events of 1/6, which we saw with our own eyes, what actually happened, is 'what we are being led to believe'?  That's according to certain posters here according to the Faux 'news' version of what happened that day.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    last year

I watched it from the other side of the world - the whole world saw it, and nobody's ever going to be fooled into thinking that it was only a "peaceful demonstration" or a permitted exercise of the First Amendment. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    last year
The January 6 Whitewash Will Backfire

at this point that appears to be an understatement

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year

He'll survive in MAGAland, vitriol is a vitamin in their world.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year

at this point that appears to be an understatement

Although there are certain posters on NT's that are already running with the "see it wasn't really that bad" comments already.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    last year

Idiocracy. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    last year

Only fools think it was really, really, bad.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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2.2.3  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    last year
certain posters on NT's that are already running with the " see it wasn't really that bad " comments already.

Those dildos are anti-American Trump Traitors.

512

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  Vic Eldred    last year

So they all ran to a safe space?

I rest my case.  I guess I can go to lunch now.


 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    last year

That's what you've been led to believe

lol

 
 
 
JBB
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3.2  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    last year

So, by your logic, when Sarumon's Ork Army breached the walls of Helms Deep thus forcing King Theodon into hiding within his castle's keep, everything should have been forgiven and forgotten since Rohan showed up at the very last minute to save the day? Is that right? 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.2.1  1stwarrior  replied to  JBB @3.2    last year

Damn - what level was that one on?  Might wanna do a "recal" to find it :-)

 
 
 
JBB
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3.2.2  JBB  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2.1    last year

Historically mobs storming a nation's capitol would be killed on site, their leaders arrested, tried and executed for treason...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @3.2.2    last year

They feel these traitorous scum are being treated too harshly.  IMHO they are not being treated unfairly to begin with and they are being sentenced far too lightly.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @3.2.2    last year

The day the peasants attempted an assault on the Winter Palace

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @3.2.2    last year

Historically mobs storming a nation's capitol would be killed on site, their leaders arrested, tried and executed for treason...

So who is to blame for that? Looks like a failure in leadership by the capitol police as well as DC police...........and not paying attention to intelligence sources.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.5    last year

Now that I agree with.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.2.7  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.4    last year

Or, Tiananmen Square! The Capitol Police and National Guard treated the January 6th Insurrectionists with kid gloves...

This isn't news. We saw they were defensive, not offensive!

They should be heralded for their restraint on January 6th...

 
 
 
goose is back
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3.2.8  goose is back  replied to  JBB @3.2.7    last year
treated the January 6th Insurrectionists with kid gloves..

Is that why they killed an unarmed female without warning?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.2.9  Jack_TX  replied to  JBB @3.2.2    last year
Historically mobs storming a nation's capitol would be killed on site, their leaders arrested, tried and executed for treason...

Yes.

But so would a group who seized part of a major city and attempted to declare independence from that country.

So if we're not going get outraged about the CHOP/CHAZ insurrection in Seattle, we can't very well get outraged about the next insurrection.  Either rioting is a problem or it isn't.  Either insurrection is a problem or it isn't.  It can't only be a problem when people you hate are doing it.

Personally, I would LOVE to see all of the Jan 6 rioters thrown into jail and each forced to share a cell with a Seattle/Portland left wing rioter. 

Either they'll all learn that people are really not all that different.... or they'll kill each other.  Either way, problem solved.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @3.2.9    last year
Personally, I would LOVE to see all of the Jan 6 rioters thrown into jail and each forced to share a cell with a Seattle/Portland left wing rioter. 

Sometimes I like the way you think. Do you think we could sell tickets to this circus?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @3.2.2    last year
Historically mobs storming a nation's capitol would be killed on site, their leaders arrested, tried and executed for treason...

Are you suggesting the US should act more like third world or Authoritarian countries? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.11    last year

Yes strange to see someone advocating for a Tianmennen Square style machine gunning of innocent protestors in the US..   

Never would have thought I'd see China's murder of peaceful protesters, one of the most famous atrocities in recent history,  held up as a model of how governments should act by an American.

But that's where the extreme left is today.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2.13  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @3.2.2    last year

But it didn't really happen that way.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2.14  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @3.2.7    last year

The demonstrators indeed should be heralded for their restraint.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.2.15  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.10    last year
Do you think we could sell tickets to this circus?

Oh hell yeah.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.2.16  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.5    last year

If it does indeed backfire, it could most likely be against some on the rabid left pushing hard to tar all on the conservative right with the same brush.

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.3  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    last year

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Tessylo
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3.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @3.3    last year

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afrayedknot
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3.4  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    last year

“I guess I can go to lunch now..”

…crow now or crow later…

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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3.5  al Jizzerror  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    last year
I rest my case.

What is your fucking "case", another [censored]?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.5.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.5    last year

What do you want to say?

Speak up!

 
 
 
Ronin2
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This new seriousness didn’t last. A year after the attack, most Republicans—including McCarthy— ducked a ceremony at the Capitol marking the anniversary and commemorating the lives lost.

The only person that was killed on Jan 6th was Ashley Babbitt who was killed by Barney Fife who shouldn't have ever been on the DC police force. Pretty damn sure Democrats aren't honoring her. The other deaths were not related to Jan 6th in any way shape or form. Just massive Democrat spin.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @4    last year
Pretty damn sure Democrats aren't honoring her.

Your side is the one that honors traitors. 

I feel sorry for her and her friends and family, but she caused her own death with her reckless fanaticism. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @4    last year
Babbitt’s killing at the hands of law enforcement has also been exhaustively investigated. Once again,      it’s all on video   . You don’t need to take the      Justice Department’s       word for it; you need only refuse to gainsay the evidence of your own eyes.

Babbitt attempted to climb through an interior window, which demonstrators smashed, into the “Speaker’s Lobby,” a secure area of the Capitol. The protesters were warned by an officer with his gun drawn to not enter that area. When Babbitt ignored those warnings, U.S. Capitol Police Lieutenant Michael Byrd fired one round, striking Babbitt in the shoulder. A USPC emergency-response team immediately administered medical aid and evacuated her from the building. She later died in the hospital.

The word “murder” has a legal context, and journalists are obliged to avoid using it when it is not applicable. Babbitt was not murdered, because the officer responsible for her death was found by prosecutors to have not violated applicable criminal statutes, nor did he commit a violation of Babbitt’s civil rights.  

www.nationalreview.com       /2023/03/tucker-carlsons-january-6-revisionist-history/
 
 
 
goose is back
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4.2.1  goose is back  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    last year
The protesters were warned by an officer with his gun drawn to not enter that area.

BULLSHIT! He was hiding in a doorway out of sight, had the pussy got out in front and pulled his weapon we wouldn't be having this conversation.  

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.2.2  afrayedknot  replied to  goose is back @4.2.1    last year

“He was hiding in a doorway out of sight.”

No, he was protecting the Capitol, repeat the Capitol, and its occupants on a day they were to confirm the results of a duly recorded election. 
While tragic, her death could have been avoided had she not bought in to the ridiculous narrative…a ridiculous narrative that continues to this day. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.2.3  devangelical  replied to  afrayedknot @4.2.2    last year

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sandy-2021492
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4.2.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  goose is back @4.2.1    last year

Would you expect a police officer in a similar situation to just stand out in the open in front of a violent mob, without attempting to take some sort of cover?

Of course you wouldn't.

What a fucking stupid comment.

 
 
 
goose is back
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4.2.5  goose is back  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.2.4    last year
similar situation to just stand out in the open in front of a violent mob,

Sandy, had he been out in front with his weapon drawn they would have never come through the door!!!!!!!!! If you watched other videos that is exactly what the Secret Service did and imagine that no, one came through the door. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.2.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  goose is back @4.2.5    last year

They would never have come through the door?  You think the violent mob would have assumed that there was nobody armed protecting the Capitol from insurrectionists?  They knew they could get shot. They broke in, anyway.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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Tucker Carlson and the GOP are trying to erase a dark day

Judging by the panic among the Democrats and the left, Tucker Carlson is releasing the secrets that the J6 Shit Show kept hidden (even from defense attorneys).

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    last year

You think that video of 'the Shaman' being escorted by police is anything other than a sideshow?

The Ds might be concerned if video exonerated Trump and his cronies.    Nothing even remotely close to that has been revealed.   I very strongly suspect there is nothing there to reveal.

It is entertaining (and sad) watching R partisans take this feeble spin from Carlson and attempt to transform it into something of significance.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @5.1    last year
You think that video of 'the Shaman' being escorted by police is anything other than a sideshow?

I said what I think.  

Nothing even remotely close to that has been revealed. 

Yet.  Or is that what you and all the other lemmings are fearful of?

It is entertaining (and sad) watching R partisans take this feeble spin from Carlson and attempt to transform it into something of significance

Then why are you all in such a panic?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @5.1    last year

People watched this live on TV. People who live in the real world know what they saw. Even Republicans are tucker's video bogus

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    last year
Then why are you all in such a panic?

That is just your imagination again.   There is no panic;  what on Earth is there to cause panic?   

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.2    last year

It is absurd (and foolish) to desperately attempt to turn this feeble spin and deflection into something of significance.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @5.1    last year

More entertaining to me.  And desperate and pathetic and deplorable.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.4    last year

Don't you know that what we saw with our own eyes is what 'we are being led to and want to believe'.  

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.1.7  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    last year
Then why are you all in such a panic?

Let's just say concerned that Tucker's theories are going to further endanger poll workers come 2024.

Through public records and interviews, Reuters documented 102 threats of death or violence received by more than 40 election officials, workers and their relatives in eight of the most contested battleground states in the 2020 presidential contest. Each was explicit enough to put a reasonable person in fear of bodily harm or death, the typical legal threshold for prosecution.

Almost all of the 102 threats of violence appeared to be inspired by Trump’s debunked claims that the election was rigged against him. The messages often included highly personal, sometimes sexualized threats of violence or death, not only to the officials themselves but also to their family members and their children.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.3    last year

They see panic when what they should really see is utter disbelief.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @5.1.7    last year

It's been revealed recently that Fucker stated 'I hate him passionately' regarding the former 'president' yet he still sucks his . . . . with all his recent 'revelations' from fellow . . . . sucker McCarthy.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.9    last year
yet he still sucks his . . . . with all his recent 'revelations' from fellow dick sucker McCarthy.

He sees dollar signs every time he sucks his....

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.3    last year
That is just your imagination again

Imagination would be thinking you're correct in any stretch of the definition.

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.1.12  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.11    last year
Imagination would be thinking you're correct in any stretch of the definition.

I believe you should get yourself to an emergency room, self immolation wounds leave horrible scars.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.13  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.11    last year

You have nothing to offer but bullshit quips like that.   

You would be well-advised to take a stand only when you are on a solid foundation.

It is amazing that you, et. al. are so willing to cast integrity aside and 'fight' just for the sake of fighting.

 
 
 
goose is back
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5.1.14  goose is back  replied to  TᵢG @5.1    last year
The Ds might be concerned if video exonerated Trump and his cronies.    Nothing even remotely close to that has been revealed.

You keep crowing about Trump being guilty of some crime, please lay out your facts!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.15  TᵢG  replied to  goose is back @5.1.14    last year
You keep crowing about Trump being guilty of some crime, please lay out your facts!

I wish you and many of your fellow Rs would stop making shit up.   I know that in lieu of an argument, it is tempting to just invent a strawman argument.   But that is such a lame tactic.

I have never stated that Trump IS guilty of a crime.   To be guilty of a crime he would have to be tried in a court of law and found guilty.   I have stated that he has done wrong.   And I have presented the facts many times.   So often that your fellow Rs complain that I repeat the list too often.

Pay attention.   As it stands, you clearly do not know what you are talking about.   Clueless.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.13    last year

You have nothing to offer but bullshit quips like that.

I haven't seen much of anything from you either.  Take your crying elsewhere.

You would be well-advised to take a stand only when you are on a solid foundation.

Yeah, because you're such a good example.  I'll pass.

It is amazing that you, et. al. are so willing to cast integrity aside and 'fight' just for the sake of fighting.

You see it as fighting, we see it as pointing out your flawed hive think.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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5.1.17  al Jizzerror  replied to  TᵢG @5.1    last year
It is entertaining (and sad) watching R partisans take this feeble spin from Carlson and attempt to transform it into something of significance.

And it's predictable.

I would like to ask the idiots who say that the Jan 6th insurrection is "overblown" one question:

Do you think it would have been a good idea to "HANG MIKE PENCE!"?

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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5.1.18  MonsterMash  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.15    last year
I have never stated that Trump IS guilty of a crime.

It's obvious from all of your post indicating Trump is guilty you've already judged him as so. You act like you're the prosecuting attorney.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.19  TᵢG  replied to  MonsterMash @5.1.18    last year

It should be obvious that I think Trump engaged in considerable wrongdoing.

I would not be at all surprised if Trump were indicted and found guilty in a court of law.  Until that happens, guilt does not apply.

Guilt is a legal determination.   Wrongdoing, however, can be concluded by an individual.    I have concluded wrongdoing.

Do you recognize any wrongdoing by Trump in his post election loss actions and inaction?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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5.1.20  al Jizzerror  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.19    last year
Guilt is a legal determination.   Wrongdoing, however, can be concluded by an individual.    I have concluded wrongdoing.

You have NEVER said Trump is guilty of anything.  "Wrongdoing" is what Trump majored in when he attended college.

I think Trump will be convicted of multiple crimes in court.  Then we can all agree that he is GUILTY (except Trump and his Trumpanzees who will claim that the court case was "rigged").

512

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.1.21  TᵢG  replied to  al Jizzerror @5.1.20    last year

Spot on.  Some people are quite predictable.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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5.1.23  MonsterMash  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.19    last year
Do you recognize any wrongdoing by Trump in his post election loss actions and inaction?

Of course, I do.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  MonsterMash @5.1.23    last year
Of course, I do.

I think that may be too tame a response.

You should be able to muster up some outrage!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.25  TᵢG  replied to  MonsterMash @5.1.23    last year
Of course, I do.

Then why is it that you misrepresent my claims of wrongdoing as claims of guilt?

If you see wrongdoing why do you object when I rebut others defending Trump by claiming that he has not been found guilty of a crime by listing wrongdoing and asking them if they acknowledge wrongdoing by Trump?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6  Kavika     last year

512

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Kavika @6    last year

Brett is more news than opinion.  If you are going to keep promoting a narrative through meme at least have one that is correct.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1    last year

Yep and what they lefties say is that none of it is news while every one of the people in that meme use actual news stories to segue into their narrative.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.1    last year

Nothing different than MSNBC or CNN does every night.  But if Fox does it heads explode.  Lucky for me I stocked up on popcorn, it makes for great TV.  PS I think the second picture might be Martha something or other.  Not sure if she is news or opinion.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.2    last year

McCallum

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.1    last year

What is so funny, based on comments here, is that so many leftists get their 'news' from late-night comedians!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.4    last year

Seems that way for sure....................

 
 
 
Hallux
Masters Principal
6.1.6  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.1    last year
every one of the people in that meme use actual news stories to segue into their narrative.

There are 2 methods to accomplish that ruse;

1 - wrap a lie in layers of truth

2 - wrap a truth in layers of lies

Presto, instant propaganda either way.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
6.1.7  al Jizzerror  replied to  Hallux @6.1.6    last year

3.  Never believe your lying eyes (you can only believe what Trump tells you to believe).

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6.1.8  Kavika   replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1    last year

Nice try at a deflection. Did you notice the other four liars in the meme? Follow the sheeple to the right.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6.1.9  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.1    last year
every one of the people in that meme use actual news stories to segue into their narrative.

LOL, I'm sure that they do especially when they promote the ''big lie''....

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @6.1.8    last year
Nice try at a deflection. Did you notice the other four liars in the meme? Follow the sheeple to the right.

Deflection? Are you kidding?

Did you not post a picture of Britt Hume in post #6??

Please explain how anyone talking about any person in the photos you posted is magically off topic????????

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
6.1.11  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.10    last year
Did you not post a picture of Britt Hume in post #6??

Brit Hume is the conservative commentator on Fox "news."

He is fair and balanced and fucking horny.

Does he wear the "sexy vixen vinyl" outfits or does his partner wear them?

Asking for a friend....

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.11    last year
Does he wear the "sexy vixen vinyl" outfits or does his partner wear them? Asking for a friend....

Of course you are.

It's nice you care so much about others' sex activities.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
6.1.13  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.12    last year
It's nice you care so much about others' sex activities.

Well, you indicated your interest about pictures of Brit Hume (6.1.10 ).

Naturally, I thought you must know he might wear "sexy vixen vinyl" outfits.

My friend was hoping you had pics of those "sexy vixen vinyl" outfits.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.13    last year

please comprehend what you read. I commented on Hume because the poster thought comments about hom were off topic when he posted the picture.

just admit you only want to know to satisfy your own prurient desires.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
6.1.16  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.15    last year
just admit you only want to know to satisfy your own prurient desires.

Just admit you Googled "Brit Hume sexy vixen vinyl"  to "satisfy your own prurient desires."

Made you look....

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.16    last year

nope, I didn't because I don't pretend to have imaginary "friends" I need to ask questions for!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
6.1.18  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.17    last year

Made you look.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
6.1.19  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.17    last year
I don't pretend to have imaginary "friends"

I don't pretend to have any "friends".

Fixed it.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
6.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  Kavika @6    last year

PERFECT!!!

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Kavika
Professor Principal
6.2.1  Kavika   replied to  al Jizzerror @6.2    last year

512

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
7  Right Down the Center    last year

"Heading into the 2022 midterms, the Republicans hoped that an attempt by their party’s leader to overthrow the constitutional order would be no impediment to regaining national power. The midterms, however, proved that Americans still care about their democracy and that they could not be swayed to trade their freedom away merely because gas prices are too high."

I thought the closeness of the midterms was because of the Row vs Wade decision and the Republicans militant stance on abortion rights and not the so called "attack on democracy" the media had been promoting for 2 years.  As a matter of fact I seem to recall the polls taken at the time said the Jan 6th sham had very little if any impact on voting.  I wish the lefties and the Atlantic could get their story straight.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
7.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Right Down the Center @7    last year

Quite a bit of anti-Trumpism figured into that vote...it certainly wasn't because of the voters acceptance of Biden and his left wing henchmen.

 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
7.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1    last year

An anti Trumper is and always was an anti Trumper.  I don't think the Jan 6th shit show added to the anti Trumper ranks.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
8  al Jizzerror    last year

I want to thank all of the knuckle dragging White-wingers for joining in with Fucker Carlson's attempt to re-write history.

I love it when assholes like Fucker Carlson minimize the Jan 6th insurrection.

Do you idiots remember the loudest chant on Jan 6th?

Hang Mike Pence!

HANG MIKE PENCE!!

HANG MIKE PENCE!!!

Were they patriots or fucking traitors?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  al Jizzerror @8    last year

256

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1    last year

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al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
8.1.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1    last year

Here are the traitors being "allowed to enter".

Anyone who thinks that "they were allowed to enter" is dumber than a box of rocks.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1    last year

Do you smash windows when your friend lets you in his house?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.1.2    last year

See anyone shot up and made into hamburger? All it would have taken is one or two and the rest would have scattered.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.3    last year

Why would I if he already let me in?????

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.1.2    last year
Former U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said he wants to give police "the benefit of the doubt" and hopes they were attempting to de-escalate Wednesday's event when they appeared to let pro-Trump rioters inside the legislative building. "Sometimes when you don't have enough personnel, you can't stand and fight a large crowd like that," he said on NBC's "Today" show Thursday, noting that there were not enough law enforcement personnel on scene.

Over the next 60 minutes, the Capitol Police would fail miserably at its most basic job: preventing rioters from getting inside the building and disrupting the congressmen and women set to confirm the votes of the Electoral College. Decisions made long before the chaos cast the die for law enforcement’s failures, which played out in several critical moments captured in social media videos and news coverage.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1.7  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.4    last year

The MAGA scattered like rats, as soon as Ashley Babbit was shot!

The rats scattered like MAGA, as soon as Ashley Babbit was shot.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.5    last year

The rioters were let in according to you so why did they smash windows?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.8    last year

Probably to get in. I am sure they thought they would be stopped at any door and said door(s) would have armed protection which turned out to be not the case. So they headed for the doors. Even the Shaman walked in through a door I believe after hanging out with the window bashers.

For example, the statement explains that Chansley entered the Capitol through a broken door as part of a crowd that “was not lawfully authorized to enter or remain in the building” and that he was one of the first 30 rioters inside

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.9    last year

They were already in.

They caused destruction and mayhem that day and no amount of spin is going to change that

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
8.1.11  afrayedknot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.9    last year

“Probably to get in.”

Obviously to get ‘in’.

In to the Capitol. In to disrupt the proceedings. In to appease their leader. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.10    last year

Agreed. It was stupid bullshit idiocy that ruled the day.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
8.1.13  al Jizzerror  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.5    last year
Why would I if he already let me in?????

Derp.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
8.1.14  SteevieGee  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.4    last year
See anyone shot up and made into hamburger? All it would have taken is one or two and the rest would have scattered.

They shot one.  Did they scatter?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  SteevieGee @8.1.14    last year

Not outside....................and yes they did retreat when she was shot. There were even LEO behind her when she was shot and then the "SWAT" guys came up the steps as people left the scene and went down.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
8.1.16  al Jizzerror  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.1.9    last year
Probably to get in.

How did you get in?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
9  Drinker of the Wry    last year

I thought that she was killed at 14:45 but the Capital Police didn't call it secure until 20:00.   You seem confused by the event timeline.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
9.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9    last year

And?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
9.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @9.1    last year

And what?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.2  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9    last year

The tide turned about two forty five in the afternoon January 6th...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
9.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @9.2    last year

Really, so not "scattered" but "tide turned", yet?  How so:

15:00 - rioters break into the Senate chamber

15:12 - rioters chanting, "Break it down! Break it down!" overwhelms Capitol Police officers guarding the Speaker's Lobby

15:36 - NG activated 

16:05 - Biden addresses the nation and asks Trump to end the siege

16:17 - VA and MD send NG and state troopers to the Capital

17:45 - Capitol police start clearing the building

20:05 - Senate reopens

I think that you remain confused on the timeline.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
10  al Jizzerror    last year

The traitors were sent to the Capitol by the "Traitor in Chief" (who said he would go with them).

They were victims of Trump's "big lie".

They thought they could help Trump regain the throne.

Giuliani said, "let's have trial by combat!" because Trump lost every case in courts even where he had appointed the judges.

Fortunately, Mike Pence refused to go along with Trump's attempted coup.

Trump actually hoped that his traitors would kill Pence (and lots of the members of Congress) for not cooperating with his coup.

The truth is that Trump's big lie caused a thousand of people who believed it to get arrested.

One of Trump's gullible believers was even killed by the big lie.

Everything that happened on Jan 6th was Trump's fault.

Trump brought the crowd to the Capitol where he incited the fucking RIOT.

Those who say it wasn't a riot are so stupid they still believe the big lie.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
11  Nerm_L    last year

Tucker Carlson has thrown water on the hair-on-fire.  Carlson has forced the narrative to change from 'insurrection' to 'riot'.  It's not a small feat to force the biased press to change its story.

Jan. 6th as a riot instead of an insurrection loses quite a bit of political luster.  The public has endured a number of riots over the last few years.  And Jan. 6th, as a riot, invites comparison with other riots.  And in a comparison with other riots, Jan. 6th doesn't look that bad.

What will backfire is continuing to portray Jan. 6th as an insurrection.  Carlson's disclosed video really doesn't support that narrative any longer.  Yep, Jan. 6th was bad.  But so were all the other riots the public has endured.  Like it or not, Carlson has established equity in how Jan. 6th should be viewed.  

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
11.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Nerm_L @11    last year
Jan. 6th as a riot instead of an insurrection loses quite a bit of political luster.

It was both.

It was the only riot/insurrection that threatened the US government.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
12  Kavika     last year

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Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., runs through the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

Damn, those tourists are dangerous, run Josh run.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
12.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Kavika @12    last year

Josh Hawley showed his "bravery" before the insurrection:

512

Butt he "Hawled ass" when the insurrection began.

512

Like many Republicans Hawley pooped his panties.

 
 
 
freepress
Freshman Silent
13  freepress    last year

When will right wing folks ever wake up to the reality that Fox is owned by a foreigner that has no reason for loyalty to Americans. He was always in it for profit alone no matter who they lie to or dupe for viewership. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
13.1  Snuffy  replied to  freepress @13    last year

Do you really think that any other cable news network has any loyalty to Americans beyond the money they can bring in?  The cable news system is designed to make money and they do it by aiming at their watchers so that the same watchers will continue to watch thereby insuring a solid bottom line for the company.  I would say Fox is more successful at this as their network has higher ratings than the others.  With how CNN continues to drop in ratings, it's a wonder how long they may be able to stay on the air.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
13.1.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Snuffy @13.1    last year
Do you really think that any other cable news network has any loyalty to Americans beyond the money they can bring in? 

Yes.

 
 

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