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Russian leadership approved aggressive actions of jets that damaged U.S. drone, U.S. officials say

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  perrie-halpern  •  last year  •  177 comments

By:   Courtney Kube and Carol E. Lee

Russian leadership approved aggressive actions of jets that damaged U.S. drone, U.S. officials say
Three U.S. officials familiar with the intelligence said the highest levels of the Kremlin approved the aggressive actions of Russian jets against a U.S. drone over the Black Sea.

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Three U.S. officials familiar with the intelligence said the highest levels of the Kremlin approved the aggressive actions of Russian military fighter jets against a U.S. military drone over the Black Sea on Tuesday.

The Russian jets dropped jet fuel on the MQ-9 Reaper, an unprecedented action, and two of the officials said the intelligence suggests the intent seemed to be to throw the drone off course or disable its surveillance capabilities.

It was "Russian leadership's intention to be aggressive in the intercept," said one of the officials.

One official said he had not gotten indications that the signoff went all the way up to Putin. Other officials declined to provide specifics beyond "highest levels."

The Russian jet actually clipping the propeller of the drone — which the U.S. says occurred and Russia denies — was likely not intentional, said the officials, who believe it was pilot error, based on U.S. video of the incident.

Three defense officials and one Biden administration official also said the Russians have already reached the area where the MQ-9 Reaper crashed. The Russians are actively looking for the debris with ships and aircraft, but the U.S. hasn't seen any indication that they've been able to recover any of it, officials said. One official said much of the debris sank into the Black Sea.

The U.S. is unlikely to try to recover the remnants of the crashed drone, according to the three U.S. officials familiar with the intelligence.

Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said at a news conference on Wednesday that there's probably not a lot of debris to recover and noted the part of the Black Sea where the drone landed is as much as 5,000-feet deep.

He reiterated, as other U.S. officials have said, that the U.S. took steps to disable software on the drone so the Russians would not be able to glean any highly sensitive information from it if they were to recover pieces of it.

John Kirby, a spokesperson for the National Security Council, said in an interview with NBC News that the Russians were deliberately trying to get close to the drone.

"What we don't know is how intentional the collision with the drone was," Kirby said. "It is possible that this was just a reckless, incompetent piece of aviation by the pilot."

In lieu of additional comment, a spokesperson for the National Security Council pointed to previous comments by Kirby, Milley and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.

The U.S. has said the drone was flying in international airspace over international waters. Russia has warned the U.S. to stop coming so close to its borders.

Milley said the incident is part of a pattern of behavior by Russia that has recently gotten more aggressive.


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Vic Eldred
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1  Vic Eldred    last year

No commentary from the peanut gallery?

I'm sure there are those who thought a spy plane flying over the Black Sea was fairly aggressive.

The only question now is what does our cowardly leader do about it? 

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year
The only question now is what does our cowardly leader do about it?

Ignore you, and rightfully so, is my guess.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Hallux @1.1    last year

Great answer! Solves the problem completely! Brandon ignoring Vic completely solves the issue of Russia downing a US drone over international waters! jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

It also solves the entire Ukraine quagmire that Brandon has lead the US into. It also solves China/Taiwan problem. US gas prices. Inflation. Economy. Crime. Our wide open southern border and illegal immigration.

Brandon should be immediately and permanently be sequestered in the nearest basement; and given all of the ice cream he desires. It is the only way to insure make sure he always ignores Vic- who he has probably never read a comment of; or even heard of.

Brandon ignoring Vic (and reality it seems) will guarantee him and Democrats a resounding win in 2024.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.1    last year

So what's your suggestion other than some nonsense about basements and ice cream? Vic, and it appears you also, are part of Tucker's possy of shit 'army'.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1    last year

Let him join the hate group

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.2    last year
Vic, and it appears you also, are part of Tucker's possy of shit 'army'.

And you are part of the old Newsvine pile of shit army

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.5  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    last year

Nice try, I was banned by them several times.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.5    last year

Good for them

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.7  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.6    last year

BTW Vic, what did America's "cowardly leader" do in 2018?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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1.1.8  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.1    last year
Great answer! Solves the problem completely!

What do you suggest?

It also solves the entire Ukraine quagmire that Brandon has lead the US into.

The US is NOT IN the Ukraine.  

Russia is in the "quagmire".

Should the US and the European countries let Putin take any sovereign country he wants?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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1.1.9  al Jizzerror  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    last year
And you are part of the old Newsvine pile of shit army

Remember when you and some other idiots on NewsVine created an attack nation nation to eliminate ButtHeads Nation?

How did that work out?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @1.1    last year

jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif You are correct sir!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    last year

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Tessylo
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1.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    last year

Isn't your group all full up?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.8    last year

According to DickSantis it's a territorial dispute.

Is that what murdering innocents and invading a soverign nation means?

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.14  cjcold  replied to  Hallux @1.1    last year

I wrote a short story dealing with drone on drone warfare back in the 60s.

Who knew?

Heinlein was also a few decades ahead of everybody else as well.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.15  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.13    last year

Yes

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.16  Ronin2  replied to  Hallux @1.1.7    last year

We also had ships in the Black Sea at the time- which is where the plane came from. 

Did the fighter collide with our plane? Dump fuel on it? Damage it in any way? Force it to land?

Russia and China have been pulling this shit for the last several administrations. Remember the Chinese fighter that collided with our spy plane over international waters and it made a forced landing in China during Bush Jr's administration? Remember the drone that Iranian hackers brought down- in tact no less- during Obama's? Or how about the Iranians capturing US sailors and detaining them after one of the diesel engines on their craft failed at the end of Obama's reign?

WTF was our drone doing in the Black Sea when we don't have any vessels there? Think Russia is fucking stupid or something? That they don't know which country is propping Ukraine up militarily and financially? Is giving them tactical support by reporting where Russia's ships are so Ukraine can launch missiles at them?

This is just another provocation to the start of WWIII by both sides. But you can having a pissing match over which country started it when the nuclear missiles are flying. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.17  Ronin2  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.8    last year

You need to learn the definition of quagmire. 

a   difficult   and   dangerous   situation :
Since the   coup , the   country   has   sunk   deeper   into a quagmire of   violence   and   lawlessness .

Is there any end in sight to the Ukraine/Russian war? How many billions or even trillions more are we going to send to Ukraine in financial and military aid? How much do you expect the US taxpayer to suffer so a bunch of Establishment prick politicians can prop up their family and friend kickback slush funds? How high will interest rates need to rise to combat the inflation caused by blank check spending on Ukraine?

The US is NOT IN the Ukraine.  

Are we escalating the situation? Is Russia rising to every provocation? Is the threat of direct conflict between the US and Russia increasing?

Russia is in the "quagmire".

No fucking kidding. More than one country can be involved in a "quagmire".  See Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. 

Should the US and the European countries let Putin take any sovereign country he wants?

Love the hyperbole. Russia can't even take Ukraine. His army is decimated; and economy is wrecked. Even if he takes Ukraine how long will he be able to hold it? How much will it cost him?

Remember when we supposedly had a doctrine of not entering into military conflicts unless the US has something to gain? WTF does Ukraine have that the US needs so damn badly? 

If Russia is such a threat why aren't European countries stepping more? The least they could do is combine to match what the US is spending in Ukraine.

  

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.18  JBB  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.17    last year

Ukraine is Putin's quagmire, not Biden's...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.19  devangelical  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.1    last year
US gas prices. Inflation. Economy. Crime.

aren't those the pressing issues that maga scum in congress ran on last election? maybe they'll get around to them after they remove the freedom of bodily autonomy from 51% of the population, finish destroying our public education system, and turning the first amendment into swiss cheese.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.20  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    last year
And you are part of the old Newsvine pile of shit army

... and the expected pathetic reply. there, there, those days of soup and jello are just around the corner at the home for defective mackerel snapper relics of the 50's...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.1.20    last year

Somebody has some nerve....

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.1.22  arkpdx  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.16    last year
WTF was our drone doing in the Black Sea 

Gathering intelligence I would assume. 

Think Russia is fucking stupid or something? 

Um yeah. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.23  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.21    last year

meh, I've been giving massive egos reality checks for over 50 years, why stop now...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @1.1.23    last year

I wasn't talking about you but yes, that someone does have an undeserved massive ego

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.25  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.24    last year

it'll be fun watching his hero cleave his party next year, you know, provided said hero isn't at club fed by then...

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.26  bugsy  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.9    last year
How did that work out?

Well, it doesn't exist today....

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.27  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @1.1.18    last year

Really, so the US can just walk away at any time. Stop funding Ukraine financially, militarily, and giving them training and intelligence at any time. Just drop things and go.

Without a bunch of arm chair warriors screaming "Russia will take over all of Europe!"

Without our NATO allies throwing a massive hissy fit and demanding more US troops be stationed at every NATO country bordering Ukraine. We already have troops stationed there; but they won't be nearly enough to contain NATO's hysteria. 

Brandon couldn't back out Ukraine if he wanted to. That is the very definition of quagmire. A never ending war sucking down our money, military hardware and resources, and draining our economy through inflation.

But keep spinning as more banks fail due to Brandon, Democrat, and Establishment Republican stupidity.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.28  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.12    last year

... full of something.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year
The only question now is what does our cowardly leader do about it? 

Hopefully, send Tucker Carlson  to deal with it which would mean sucking on an ice cream cone and whining which Warrior Carlson is excellent at.

Fox News answer to Steven Segal.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @1.2    last year

drop him over the russian lines with a sack of swanson TV dinners...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @1.2    last year

That little orchid would shit his pants if he ever had to leave his cozy Fox office

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.3  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.2    last year

he might be safer over there after dominion neuters rupert and the FOX limo and security go away.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.2    last year

You think someone like Don Lemon wouldn't?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2.4    last year
He's looking over his shoulder for Michelle Yeoh  on his 6. 
 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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1.2.6  al Jizzerror  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.5    last year
He's looking over his shoulder for Michelle Yeoh

Nah.

Don Lemon is gay.

He's not interested in Michelle Yeoh.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.2.6    last year

Of course not, he just doesn’t want to be beat up by her.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.8  devangelical  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2.4    last year
You think someone like Don Lemon wouldn't?

possibly, but I don't he's a russian collaborator. tucker carlson definitely is, and has admitted he is willing to lie for profit.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @1.2.8    last year

Exactly, Don wasn't lying when he said that he felt that women over 20, 30, 40 were past their prime.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.2.10  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.2.8    last year
nd has admitted he is willing to lie for profit.

Well, he was a democrat for 15 years, so I imagine it is very difficult to get that many years of stink off you.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.2.6    last year

No shit?

Perhaps he is afraid of her.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.12  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.2.10    last year

... how long do you think it'll take to get the stench of trumpski off the GOP?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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1.3  al Jizzerror  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year
The only question now is what does our cowardly leader do about it? 

What do you suggest, tough guy?

Do you think we need to go to war with Russia over this incident?

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.3.1  cjcold  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.3    last year

Arm chair warriors who have never seen the shit are first to call for it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  cjcold @1.3.1    last year

jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.3.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  cjcold @1.3.1    last year

Where have you served?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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1.3.4  al Jizzerror  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.3.3    last year
Where have you served?

I can't answer for cjcold (or anyone else) butt I served in VF-102 on the USS Independence (mainly).

I enjoyed serving (nobody was shooting at us) and we didn't lose a drop of the ocean on my watch.

Did you see any combat?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.3.5  1stwarrior  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.3.4    last year

You do know that there are more planes in the ocean than there are ships in the sky - right?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.6  devangelical  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.3    last year

why travel when there's plenty of russian collaborators already here...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.3.6    last year

Didn't Steele collaborate with Russians? Didn;t Hillary pay for him to do it?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.8  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.7    last year

got anything from this decade? and turn off FOX news...

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
1.3.9  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @1.3.8    last year

Do you have anything at all? And quit watching Soros liberal propaganda stations. 

 
 
 
JBB
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1.5  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

To President Biden the gop is his peanut gallery!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2  Right Down the Center    last year

biden_feckless_dementia_ridden_piece_of_crap_sign-r766cb348a9134c4cafd6bfb1e9c4e427_tyqv5_736.webp?rlvnet=1

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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2.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    last year

At least Biden isn't a fucking traitor like Donald Fucking Trump.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  al Jizzerror @2.1    last year

256

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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2.1.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.1    last year

Do you think Biden should go to war with Russia?

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.3  cjcold  replied to  al Jizzerror @2.1.2    last year

YES! Russia is very weak at this point in time. 

Who cares if a few nuclear missiles are exchanged./s

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @2.1    last year
At least Biden isn't a fucking traitor like Donald Fucking Trump.

ridiculous fluff.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  al Jizzerror @2.1.2    last year

Do you think it is better to fight a proxy war where thousands have been killed and millions displaced with a distinct possibility Vlad will use Nukes anyway if backed into a corner?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  cjcold @2.1.3    last year
Who cares if a few nuclear missiles are exchanged./s

If that was a concern maybe we should have let Vlad take Ukraine and not subject a country to a year of hell and still have the possibility of a few nukes as a last Vlad act if it looks like he will lose?

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.9  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.7    last year

That is old school surrender monkey talk.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.10  JBB  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.8    last year

Yet our Republic barely survived Trump...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @2.1.9    last year
That is old school surrender monkey talk.

That is mindless gibberish.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @2.1.10    last year
Yet our Republic barely survived Trump...

BARELY SURVIVED?  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.13  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.12    last year

original

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  dennis smith @2.1.5    last year

nope which is why I'm not disappointed!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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2.1.15  al Jizzerror  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.8    last year

Derp.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.16  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @2.1.13    last year

Finally, a new one.  How many times do you think you will use this in the next few weeks?eec.jpg

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.17  arkpdx  replied to  al Jizzerror @2.1    last year

Trump isn't either unless you can provide hard evidence of that. Besides I thought you lefties liked trailers like Jane (Hanoi Jane) and John (our soldiers are like Genghis Khan) Kerry and Gary Bergdhal and others. 

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.18  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.16    last year

original

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2.1.19  afrayedknot  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.17    last year

“Trump isn't…”

….anything but an aberration, an opportunist, a blot in our history that will forever be compared to incompetency, incoherence, insecurity, and insurrection. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.19    last year

and he's fat

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2.1.21  afrayedknot  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.20    last year

…and fatuous. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.22  devangelical  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.19    last year

... the 4 cornerstones of maga christo-fascism.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
2.1.23  arkpdx  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.19    last year

And he was a far better president than the shitbird we got now  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.25  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.20    last year

original

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.26  JBB  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.23    last year

original

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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2.1.27  MonsterMash  replied to  JBB @2.1.25    last year

Why does Stormy have Stacey Abrams panties.?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2.1.28  afrayedknot  replied to  MonsterMash @2.1.27    last year

Why will hush money to stormy bring down an ex-president? Because it is self-imposed, self-serving and self-evident. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.29  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @2.1.18    last year

Putin-Biden.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.30  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @2.1.26    last year

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arkpdx
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2.1.31  arkpdx  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.28    last year

But it is not illegal..

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.32  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  al Jizzerror @2.1    last year

I guess that depends on one's definition of treason does it not?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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3  al Jizzerror    last year

This thread illustrates that partisan Republicans are fucking cowards.

They call President Biden a coward butt they are afraid to say what they think should be done about the Russians taking down our drone.

It's easy to criticize Biden (as usual) butt without stating their own strategy, it indicates that they have no fucking strategy.

We are already hitting Putin in the mouth with severe sanctions.  

I don't know what kind of escalation they may advocate because they are afraid to say.

Is Putin trying to draw us into a war by attacking our drone?   If so, should we risk a nuclear exchange over a fucking drone? 

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1  cjcold  replied to  al Jizzerror @3    last year

The drone thingy is much ado about nothing. 

Just boys having fun with their toys.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  cjcold @3.1    last year

Maybe, maybe not.  You don't think it is possible Vlad did it on purpose to see our reaction and a reaction of "much ado about nothing" will give him an idea he can get away with some more shit and our President will not wake up long enough to make a decision?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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3.1.3  al Jizzerror  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.2    last year
President will not wake up long enough to make a decision?

It's easy to criticize anything.

I would like to hear your solution.

Do you want to go to war with Russia over this incident?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.1.3    last year
Do you want to go to war with Russia over this incident?

Do you think it is better to fight a proxy war where thousands have been killed and millions displaced with a distinct possibility Vlad will use Nukes anyway if backed into a corner?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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3.1.5  al Jizzerror  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.4    last year
Do you think it is better to fight a proxy war

Yes.

I think we should provide Ukraine with the resources they need to protect their country from Putin's invasion.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.1.5    last year
I think we should provide Ukraine with the resources they need to protect their country from Putin's invasion.

We should have done that a year ago.  Before thousands died, millions were displaced and the infrastructure was largely trashed.  IMO the way we are doing it is cruel.  I have to wonder if the US secretly hoped Ukraine would have gone quietly, or at least given up with the original pittance we offered them.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  cjcold @3.1    last year

Why do you mistakenly think that women don't fly AF drones?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @3    last year

I think Biden should flash back to the good old days, pretend Putin is Corn Pop, and really dish it out to him!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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3.2.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2    last year
really dish it out to him!

Are you advocating war with Russia?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.1    last year
Are you advocating war with Russia?

Does "dish it out to him" mean something different where you come from?

I have never heard a human adult mistake "dish it out to him" for "let's go to war".

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.2.4  Ronin2  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.1    last year

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Talk about disconnect.

Brandon claims he forced Corn Pop to back down from a fight in which Brandon was outnumbered.

How about Brandon grab his imaginary chain and head to Russia for a one on one with Putin?

I am sure Brandon can force Putin to back down the same way he did Corn Pop.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @3    last year
We are already hitting Putin in the mouth with severe sanctions.  

And yet, he persists.

I guess the sanctions aren't quite having the desired effect.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
3.3.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3    last year
I guess the sanctions aren't quite having the desired effect.

Do you want to go to war with Russia?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.1    last year

Is that what you think the words you read mean?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
3.3.3  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.2    last year
Is that what you think the words you read mean?

Why say exactly what you think we should do?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.3.3    last year
Why say exactly what you think we should do?

Answering a question with one.

Classic deflection technique.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
3.3.5  afrayedknot  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.4    last year

Oh tex, how soon we forget. See 3.3.2. in response to a question.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @3.3.5    last year
Oh tex, how soon we forget.

We?? Got a mouse in your pocket?

Sorry your memory is poor.

The question he posed was so fucking stupid and far from what I wrote it wasn't worthy of even considering answering.

Of course, following the entire conversation would have revealed that to you.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
3.3.7  afrayedknot  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.6    last year

“The question he posed was so fucking stupid…”

…as is that excuse…

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.8  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @3.3.7    last year

If you can HONESTLY read my post 3.3 and still come to the conclusion that his 'question' was appropriate and actually related to my post, then I have nothing else for you that you would ever be able to understand.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @3.3.7    last year
“The question he posed was so fucking stupid…”

You successfully quoted part of my statement.

Congrats.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  al Jizzerror @3    last year
If so, should we risk a nuclear exchange over a fucking drone? 

We risked a nuclear war with the first support we sent Ukraine.  We risk it with every new weapon we send them.  Putin threatens the use of Nukes every day.

Wouldn't a measured response be knocking out a Russian drone?  More saber rattling  could be expected from Putin but do you think he would start a nuclear war if we drop one of his drones considering he hasn't done it with everything else we have already done?  More then likely he would use it to try and gain support from his people for the "attack on a Russian drone" but let's face it, he lies all the time anyway.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
3.5.1  arkpdx  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.5    last year
Wouldn't a measured response be knocking out a Russian drone? 

Might be but unfortunately the Russians don't have any drones nearly comparable to the one they brought down. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
3.6  arkpdx  replied to  al Jizzerror @3    last year
It's easy to criticize Biden (as usual) butt without stating their own strategy,

maybe it is because it's the president's call to make., Not theirs. 

We are already hitting Putin in the mouth with severe sanctions.  

And those sanctions are having little or no effect. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.6.1  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @3.6    last year

is that what fucker carlson is telling maga russian sympathizers?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4  Nerm_L    last year

Russia monitors the sea lanes for grain shipments out of Odessa in accordance with negotiated agreements.  The negotiated agreements allows Russia to conduct naval operations from Odessa to the Bosporus and to impose restrictions on other countries operating in and over that sea lane.  The United Nations was involved in negotiating that agreement.  The US drone was in a restricted area over the sea lane and did not have a legitimate reason for being there.  

The United States is not at war with Russia so trying to justify a US drone operating in a restricted area as being over international waters really just blows smoke to hide another botched up job.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
4.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Nerm_L @4    last year
The US drone was in a restricted area over the sea lane and did not have a legitimate reason for being there.  

The unarmed drone was operating over international waters in international airspace.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1    last year
The unarmed drone was operating over international waters in international airspace.

It's still a restricted area.  Even the United States extends restricted zones around its naval operations in international waters.  

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
4.1.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.1    last year

Why are you spewing Russian talking points?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.2    last year
Why are you spewing Russian talking points?

Why are you upset that the facts don't align with US military talking points? 

All that brass doesn't mean they're competent.  These are the same military experts that planned the withdrawal from Afghanistan.  These are the same military experts that had difficulty recovering a Chinese balloon from 47 feet of water and we still haven't heard what was recovered.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
4.1.4  al Jizzerror  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.3    last year
Why are you upset

You seem to be projecting.  I'm NOT "upset."

All that brass doesn't mean they're competent.

The Russian pilot was incompetent when he hit the drone.

The Russians denied that there was contact.  The video for the drone shows the damage.

the same military experts that had difficulty recovering a Chinese balloon from 47 feet of water and we still haven't heard what was recovered.

You won't hear what was recovered.  That shit is classified.

Are you getting compensated for posting Russian propaganda?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.4    last year
You seem to be projecting.  I'm NOT "upset."

Perhaps 'emotionally disturbed' would be a better description than 'upset'.

The Russian pilot was incompetent when he hit the drone. The Russians denied that there was contact.  The video for the drone shows the damage.

The tip of one propeller blade was bent.  That's not much damage.  And the contact could have been caused by the drone; drones can maneuver unlike balloons.

The prop would have vibrated like crazy but the drone could have limped to Turkey's airspace and Turkey's national waters.  Turkey is part of NATO isn't it?  The pilot abandoned the aircraft instead of trying to save it; at no risk to themselves.  That's okay, just buy another one.

You won't hear what was recovered.  That shit is classified.

Classified?  China already knows what the balloon was carrying.  Why is the US military protecting Chinese secrets?

Are you getting compensated for posting Russian propaganda?

No, I receive no compensation from anyone.  I'll only be expected to pay for the incompetence of the US military.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
4.1.6  al Jizzerror  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.5    last year
And the contact could have been caused by the drone; drones can maneuver unlike balloons.

There is video proof that the Russian plane was at fault.  You just can't resist being a Russian asset and so you try to blame the drone.  Yes the prop was bent and you have no idea how that affected the drone.  Butt you still pretend to be an aeronautical engineer and assume it was still flyable.

Classified?  China already knows what the balloon was carrying.  Why is the US military protecting Chinese secrets?

Derp.  The Chinese don't necessarily know what we were able to salvage from the balloon.  That's why it's classified.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
4.1.7  al Jizzerror  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.5    last year
Perhaps 'emotionally disturbed'
Отъебись.
Ot"yebis'.
 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
4.1.8  pat wilson  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.5    last year
The pilot abandoned the aircraft

Which pilot abandoned which aircraft ? The Russians abandoned their jet ?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.1.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.4    last year

Putin has since personally decorated the two incompetent(?) Sukhoi pilots involved in this.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.1.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.5    last year

Neither you nor anybody here have any idea what the true extent of the damage as done to the drone. They are loaded with very sensitive electronics that the shock if the impact may have affected leading to the loss of control. The propeller impact could have been just the start not to mention the dumped fuel being ingested into the engine.

So you think the entire military is incompetent?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4.1.11  Nerm_L  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.1.10    last year
Neither you nor anybody here have any idea what the true extent of the damage as done to the drone. They are loaded with very sensitive electronics that the shock if the impact may have affected leading to the loss of control. The propeller impact could have been just the start not to mention the dumped fuel being ingested into the engine.

Well, that's correct.  The military has only released enough information to support its own narrative.

So you think the entire military is incompetent?

A US drone pilot handed Russia a victory.  A Russian pilot downed a US aircraft without firing a shot.  And the US military could only respond with finger-wagging and name calling.

What were you saying about incompetence?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.12  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.11    last year

Yes, that is the Kremlin's take on it all...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.1.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.11    last year

"What were you saying about incompetence?" Based on your commentary so far, anything I could say it seems you would deny and be mostly unable to comprehend. Your past commentaries on the Ukraine and Russian situation have shown you to be pro Russian and anti Ukrainian. That is your right, but don't be surprised or ticked off that others with more knowledge and military experience may disagree with you. I'm done. Have a good evening.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4.1.14  Nerm_L  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.1.13    last year
"What were you saying about incompetence?" Based on your commentary so far, anything I could say it seems you would deny and be mostly unable to comprehend. Your past commentaries on the Ukraine and Russian situation have shown you to be pro Russian and anti Ukrainian. That is your right, but don't be surprised or ticked off that others with more knowledge and military experience may disagree with you. I'm done. Have a good evening.

That is the military mindset.  If you ain't with us, you're agin us.  From my viewpoint the Russians are fighting the Russians.  We don't need to be involved.

It's like choosing sides between 'good' Koreans and 'bad' Koreans or 'good' Vietnamese and 'bad' Vietnamese or 'good' Muslims and 'bad' Muslims.  It's really a distinction without a difference.

Zelensky is just like Putin and Putin is just like Zelensky.  It's a distinction without a difference.

The only reason the United States has been dragged into this quagmire is the military mindset.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.2  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @4    last year

Yet you will still maintain that the gop is not being influenced by Russian propaganda?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4.2.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @4.2    last year
Yet you will still maintain that the gop is not being influenced by Russian propaganda?

The gop is calling for Biden to escalate.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @4.2    last year

That's the gqp.  It seems they're all controlled by putin and support him.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Nerm_L @4.2.1    last year

BS!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
4.2.4  al Jizzerror  replied to  Nerm_L @4.2.1    last year
The gop is calling for Biden to escalate.

Really, Nerm?

Trump, who is leading in the polls, certainly isn't calling on Biden to escalate.

The only other candidate who is in double figures in the polling is DeSantis.

DeSantis recently said he is also opposed to aiding Ukraine.

The GOP has become the Party of Putin.

So, it looks like the fucking GOP agrees with you, Nerm.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
4.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Nerm_L @4    last year

Am I talking to Putin?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Masters Expert
4.3.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.3    last year
Am I talking to Putin?

Maybe it's a Russian bot.

512

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5  Trout Giggles    last year

Rubio suggested that the drones have "wingmen".

Dumbass...that requires putting living, breathing humans in the path of Russian pilots who have orders to harass the drones. What does he think will happen if F-16s fly along side the drones? Does he know why the military uses drones more and more these days?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @5    last year

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Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
5.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.1    last year

I missed that part, where was it?

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
5.2  arkpdx  replied to  Trout Giggles @5    last year
Dumbass...that requires putting living, breathing humans in the path of Russian pilots 

Where does he say that the "wingman" has to be a piloted aircraft like an F16? Two drones are capable of flying together in formation. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @5    last year

Predator and other large US military drones fly singly for reasons. Two drones flying together in formation make for a larger and easier radar target. Single flying drones are more stealthy. Cheaper to lose one drone than two.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
6  Thrawn 31    last year

Any further aggression needs to be met with an equal response, a NATO response. If Russia wants this dance, then let's dance. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8  Jeremy Retired in NC    last year

Sen. Mark Kelly flew with Russian pilots in the Navy and with NASA, and he said the Russian fighter jet running into a US drone shows 'how incompetent they are'

"I'm not surprised by this. I mean, I flew with Russian pilots, fighter pilots who couldn't fly formation. And I watched this video, and it's pretty obvious what happened. He lost sight of it, and he crashed into it," Kelly told  CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" Sunday .

 
 

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