The vetting of Kamala Harris and the "big boy news conference."
Given the current democrat predicament, that their leading candidate, the current president might be fatally wounded politically, it might be time to vet the candidate they are forced to turn to: Kamala Harris. For democrats she is a poor candidate and a simpleton, who when all else fails resorts to giggling. For the rest of American the more serious problem is that Kamala Harris isn't just a bad politician, she is a radical, Socialist, Marxist. Her record in that regard is well known. As a Senator she cosponsored a bill with Bernie Sanders that would provide Medicare for everyone. She sponsored a bill providing illegal aliens with legal representation. She promoted an agreement at COP28 which would phase out fossil fuels. She sponsored a bill requiring the DOJ to award grants to replace cash bail systems. She sponsored a bill to advance "the Green New Deal." She sponsored a bill that would ban DHS from using federal funds to build or expand immigration detention facilities. She signed a letter saying that Title 42 violated federal law.
Few of us will ever forget her support of the violent rioters who killed two dozen people during the 2020 riots. She promoted the MN Freedom Fund which posted bail for violent protestors who had been arrested. Her support came right after a Minnesota Police Department was burned to the ground. There was no House Committee investigating those riots, nor was there much FBI interest. She then informed the nation "They are not going to let up, nor should they let up."
As vice president she also praised the antisemitic demonstrators who took control of university campuses. Her role as "border czar" speaks for itself. Under her watch an estimated 10 million unvetted illegal migrants entered the country. Last but not least is the fact that she had weekly luncheons with Joe Biden. As dense as she is, even she had to know how far gone the president was. Yet she was part of the coverup.
I have to submit this interview which concerns today's press conference for some entertainment value. It is sad to see Bill O'Reilly defeated, even if it was to a guy named Cuomo. Cuomo had O'Reilly when it came to Ron Klain. If you listen carefully, you will hear O'Reilly admit that he did rate Klein as high as Obama in the democrat party.
What has been called the "big boy news conference" takes place later today. The Biden campaign is hoping that it will revive Biden's campaign.
Today's news:
A bipartisan group of senators proposed a bill that would bar lawmakers and their families from buying or selling stocks.
Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez introduced articles of impeachment against Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito. The articles aren’t likely to advance in the Republican-controlled House.
A judge said he was leaning toward dismissing Rudi Guiliani's request for bankruptcy protection, an outcome that would let creditors pursue lawsuits against Giuliani.
Thousands of displaced Palestinians now live in Cairo.
The Israeli military has urged Palestinians in Gaza City to move south.
Elon Musk is trying to firm up plans for his lifelong goal of reaching Mars.
Alec Baldwin’s manslaughter trial has begun. Prosecutors portrayed the actor as disregarding safety procedures, while the defense said Baldwin didn’t think there would be live rounds on set.
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You were a little quick on the trigger today.
YOU COULDN"T HAVE READ IT.
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I want to have a serious discussion with John.
I still want to know why someone would cast a vote for Kamala Harris.
You are a far right extremist and would not understand my reasons.
it isn't rocket science to understand
"Not Trump".
I am going to respond because I don't want that comment flagged.
You can think whatever you want about me.
I deliver facts and I had the facts on Harris today.
You know it is over and they have nothing left when they are reduced to personal insults.
you have nothing period. that is why so many of your comments get deleted
That is the same LWNJ reasoning for all the lies the public won't buy. Like "The economy is great, you are just too dumb to understand why"
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It seems that has more to do with some not being able to walk away after having their lunch eaten.
Wow, imagine that, responding in a personal way after getting called out for doing so, thus proving everyone else right.
Thank you!
What I want to know is why these people who constantly bitch that others "just don't get it" or "you just don't understand it" are such lousy communicators they think no one can understand whatever obscure "point" they think they have made.
Facts
1. The DNC told them to.
2. The media told them to.
3. She isn't Trump.
4. Complete and utter lack of common sense.
Good list but # 3 really needs to be put at the top.
Well, in my defense, ALL of the reasons could be put much lower and "Not Trump" would take the first 10 spots.
The thing 'trumpets' itself!
For those deluded souls who think Kamala Harris would make a good president, if they think the conservative right has been hard on Biden, if Harris becomes president, they haven't seen anything yet.
The lowest since a whole year ago? Impressive... /s
This is an illustration of how low the bar has been set for Biden.
Hell, Democrats get excited if he can walk across a stage and wave at the same time.
I'm not entirely sure YOU understand your reasons.
And less than a year before that it was 9.1. And when he became president it was 1.4. 3% is still above the goal so you are celebrating just a little failure instead of a big failure. Wahoo
The collective "you" would not celebrate the decrease in inflation, in public, anyway. Nothing is ever good enough from a democrat for "you."
I just posed a fact. Deal with that. Presidents don't control inflation complexity—nor human greed Besides that, you wrote this:
As snark. I demonstrated for "you" why it is better than it was last month. The very definition of 'great' in a comparison.
No, the definition of better, not great.
Funny that you don't want to blame the president but seem more than happy to give him credit
The administration has promoted that the economy is great, people just don't see or understand it. That is also fact.
What did I say that was untrue?
I stated the fact on today's news:
Without commentary. 1.1.19 Let's be clear: You put your own interpretation on it - not me.
You forgot……..she checks all the boxes.
Not after an 8% increase. You are forgetting, all Biden and Democrats had to do was sit there and color. They started screwing with everything and inflation jumped, millions of illegals started flooding the border, crime rose significantly.
The 'report' is as it is, Jeremy. Grumble against it all you want. I simply share it:
FBI Releases 2024 Quarterly Crime Report and Use-of-Force Data Update
On Monday, June 10, 2024, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program released the Quarterly Uniform Crime Report (Q1), January-March, 2024 and the National Use-of-Force Data Collection Update, March 2024, on the FBI’s Crime Data Explorer (CDE) at .
The Quarterly Uniform Crime Report (Q1), January-March, 2024, provides a preliminary look at crime trends for January through March 2024 compared to January through March 2023. A comparison of data from agencies that voluntarily submitted at least two or more common months of data for January through March 2023 and 2024 indicates reported violent crime decreased by 15.2 percent. Murder decreased by 26.4 percent, rape decreased by 25.7 percent, robbery decreased by 17.8 percent, and aggravated assault decreased by 12.5 percent. Reported property crime also decreased by 15.1 percent.
National Use-of-Force Data Collection data was historically released on a quarterly basis, with each release building cumulatively throughout a calendar year. This cadence required the participation percentage to reset at zero every year. Beginning in January 2024, the participation percentage for the National Use-of-Force Data Collection will be determined using a rolling 12-month span. This change provides continuity in the participation percentage.
Information released from the National Use-of-Force Data Collection in June 2024 reflects data from 72 percent of the law enforcement population participating in the collection. The following is a breakdown of the types of use-of-force events reported from April 1, 2023, through March 31, 2024:
Death – 31.7 percent
Serious Bodily Injury – 55.3 percent
Discharge – 13.6 percent
The number of incidents will be publicly released when 80 percent participation levels are met.
FBI Releases 2024 Quarterly Crime Report and Use-of-Force Data Update — FBI
Jeremy, please share your "increase' in crime data for this period or a more recent period. I want to check it out and make sure its not just fearmongering .
Come talk to me when inflation is back down to where it was when Roomba Joe took office (1.4%) and when all agencies are reporting their crime statistics.
Presidents don't control inflation, but "you" know that already. It's a mixture of many factors. And no, Donald won't be able to just 'order' it down - despite what SCOTUS has given him official immunity to attempt.
Was wondering when you were going to use that excuse.
Well wonder no longer! Oops!
There it is:
Once again, it's shocking that Donald is caught LYING again. No! It's not. The man can't resist a bad lie told well.
Jeremy, you can get the last word. I am returning to the topic of discussion. We've "shared" enough.
Still trying to spin it. have fun with that.
Probably fewer than get their "news" from late night comedians.
Bingo!
Jealous?
Joe is giving a press conference later today.
What will he say? We can hardly wait!
Me, I am looking for Biden to regale us with the details of his fierce battle with Medicare, and how he slew the dragon!
Oh, that's easy - "alkjdinfpaoijoienvoeiujsae;iojfa;sldmni. I;alnkdfnoaipnvoipaernf;lads?"
It isn't easy to speak with a mouthful of tapioca,
Notice it is at 6:30 PM Eastern time. Guess he is trying to quell that "4:00 PM cutoff time cuz I don't function" thing that is floating around. Maybe that's why it is labeled as a "Big Boy" presser. He gets to stay up past bedtime..................
The daily ....
I wonder why someone would flag you for asking a simple question?
itchy trigger finger
Agree, especially since there are so many personal attacks that could be flagged
washington post/ ipsos poll released this morning
Then let's do it.
Then what is stopping the dems from doing it? Oh yea, they have a dementia ridden old man that won't let them.
You neglected to put what the basis for the poll was. As it shows above, it could be for anything.
Nice photo shop. But I've seen better.
Good morning.
NATO accused China of supplying Russia with technology for its attacks on Ukraine. The U.S. and NATO allies agreed that Ukraine should have an “irreversible” path to membership in the alliance. Four members of NATO are still not paying their fair share. That would include the bureaucracy which rules the EEC.
OK now I know NATO is not a serious organization.
I am sure Xi will look at the members of NATO and say, "You are supply weapons to Ukraine for their attacks on Russia".
Thus ensuring the Russia/Ukraine will never end. Just like the US could not accept nuclear weapons in Cuba (even though they would be in soft bunkers we could easily take out); Russia cannot except Ukraine being a part of NATO. So much for Baker's promise to Russia not to flip former Soviet satellite and buffer states.
If Zelenskyy had a brain; or any political common sense; he would negotiate for an immediate peace before the end of 2024. Part of that peace would have to be that Ukraine would never join NATO or the EU. Also, the Russian parts of Ukraine would become part of Russia. In return for a prisoner exchange; and Russia returning any Ukrainian citizens they took. Ukraine would receive the right to trade with whomever they want; and a non aggression PACT with Russia.
Or risk what the US might look like after 2024 with Republicans that are sick of funding Ukraine's endless war and future rebuilding being in power. If the US drops support- NATO, which is already waffling at the continued costs of the war, will drop Ukraine. Then Putin will hold all of the cards.
Shocking./S
I am sure that all 4 will state they gave at the Ukraine trough.
I gave you her positions and policies.
Unlike others, I don't just call people names.
You gave your interpretation, which is unreasonable.
Randomly calling your political opponents socialists Marxists and communists is not reasonable and supposedly went out of fashion decades ago.
That is why you are going to lose.
NONE of this makes her a socialist, Marxist, or communist.
Her positions and policies are all listed in paragraph 1.
What would you call her?
Way to hang a curveball over the plate.
The New York Times came out with a 5000 word editorial today declaring Trump unfit to hold office.
Maybe you , and others, should read that instead.
Are we now going to attempt to portray her the way the media portrayed Barack Obama as the second coming of Jesus Christ?
I think Kamala is going to be a very hard sell.
seriously?
The Times has been doing that in one way or another since he came down the golden staircase.
I'll bet the lefties over there never thought Trump would be so successful.
Um hum.
Yup, I put it out on the line. Now I'm going to play the part of Mr Buckley and demand they provide their positions.
Did they endorse an incompetent instead?
And what in that editorial convinces you that Trump is "unfit?"
I've always thought of you as being more like Rush Limbaugh.
all of it
That is a good question.
They have Biden already under the bus and so far, the only favorable thing they have to say about Harris is that she is leading in a poll.
Tell us why Kamala is worthy of anyone's vote.
I don't see how anyone could ever be so gung ho about someone like Harris.
I still remember when Democrats were able to determine who she really was back in 2020.
I wonder what the fuck happened to those folks.
No, no! Make your case!
Well, if the "reasoning" is anything like how they support Biden, it all boils down to the only thing they have, which she isn't Trump.
Is there ever a reasonable interpretation that does not match yours?
That will be the bottom line
For one thing, she is infinitely better than Donald Trump.
I dont really care if it is Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Gavin Newsome, George Clooney, or Joe Biden.
Trump could never understand how Biden got 82 million votes, when it was simple all along - he was not Trump.
not on this topic
You just proved that Texan was 100% right.
I was hoping you would have some valid reasons.
She fixed the border crisis? OOOps.
that'll be the day
Wait until you see how the media tries to build her up!
I still remember when Democrats were able to determine who she really was back in 2020.
I wonder what the fuck happened to those folks.
They are about to lose to Donald Trump. That's what happened.
Key word............JUST. So it doesn't say what you are hoping. He backed it up.
Yup, that one day she went down there (to the wrong place) must have done the trick.
But today we hear that isn't important. Long as she leads in a poll.
Wow, interesting deflection. Other than calling her a socialist what position above are you having trouble with? Please set the record straight, with something other than another editorial about Trump.
Which is pretty stupid reasoning.
She dropped her run for POTUS in 2020 because nobody supported her. She was selected as VP to check a block (along with many others in the Sleepy Joe administration). Her policies are pure trash.
So the "in thing to do" is prosecute your political opponents. Who would have thought Biden would be with the "in crowd".
it is always the same.
Doesn't even look like anyone is going to be happy about voting FOR Biden, just happy if Trump loses.
No one has made a case for a Democrat other than "We aren't Trump" bullshit that seems to be fooling about half the electorate.
Nope, not once.
So, the NY Times has been telling the truth and relying on facts ever since that time.
It was an escalator. Not a golden staircase - all that glitters in trump world is faux white trash glitz gold (golden showers).
The former 'president' convicted felon and rapist is successful how?
It is a lifelong loser scum thug felon grifter thug. I guess it's been successful being a lifelong loser scumbag thug felon grifter thug then. I agree
Excellent! I'd have to agree. Funny how some picture themselves in their wild imaginations. Fucking hilarious.
good job !
Oh good, maybe you can tell us what was in the editorial?
Huh?
Is that why Trump announced for president around Thanksgiving of 2022, a full two years before the election? So he could say he was only being prosecuted because he was a presidential candidate?
I think we know the answer to that dont we?
I think most people are capable of reading 5000 words of bullshit without another twisted editorial about a twisted editorial.
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We all (whoever that is) know what you think the answer is.
Anyone with sense knows the answer to that.
Nyet
Looks like TODAY will be that day, thanks!
there's the answer you THINK it is, then there's the truth.
Uhh, she checked all but one of the boxes?
Since when? You just did:
Your persecution is showing
I put NYT on the same credibility level as The Atlantic and the Huffington Post. Leftist liberal pandering rags with zero credibility to any but those leftist liberal targeted readers. But hey, it is still a free country.
Opo.
NOBODY did?
You sure?
Again, I made my case.
That will be the Clyburn crowd's reason.
The answer given by our progressive friends is that "she isn't Trump."
Is that what you read?
I quoted exactly what you said.
Didn't answer my question.
uhhhhh
No, you didn't. Just because you put words around other words in a grammatically correct sentence does not mean that you "made your case."
Take a lesson from Ado Annie:
Brown sugar - how come you dance so good?
What does that mean? Some kind of hidden insult?
Oh my goodness. I thoroughly enjoyed that. Such songwriting, boy do I miss it. What a production number. Well done. Refreshing too! Oklahoma!
If you feel you can contest any of the facts about Kamala in paragraph 1, please let us know.
Wow, you really like the guy don't you?
Nope, not at all but if you can throw a foreign word in why can't others. First thing you should have done was Google it. Mine just happens to be the opposite of yours.
You mean this one?:
Take this sentence:
A simpleton? How about you debate her and we will see how much of a simpleton she is. You have not established that she is either a poor candidate or a simpleton. You have stated that she is both, but I see no evidence except for a blurb excerpted from one speech. That does not make your case. Try harder.
I don't see her radicalism. At all. Maybe if I was lost in a fever dream with a mindset from the 1950s where all the uppity folks knew their places... But I am not, and she is not a radical. She is more of a mainstream progressive, a little farther to the left than center, but still encompassed by the single sigma.
And you see this as a bad thing? That gets an " attaboy " from me. We should have medicare for all. most other developed nations do have it.
Rights do not extend from citizenship. Rights extend from being human. In the US, if one person does not have a right, then no-one has it as right but merely a granted privilege. That is how come King George II set up Guantanamo, so he wouldn't have to bring the humans that the government was waterboarding into the US proper: They then would have to be treated as everyone else.
'Bout time. We have been shitting where we eat for too long.
I am mostly in agreement with the removal of cash bail for certain crimes. Cash bail acts as a severe impediment to people who cannot afford it while the better off can meet the bail. So it does not serve the purpose it is intended to it just keeps the poor imprisoned (Is that the reason for it??? Hmmmm). We cannot do away with cash bail entirely, but we can reform the system so someone is not sitting in jail for a low level, non-violent crime while they await trial.
Yay! It is about time we got in front of the money to be made by producing and selling our own green economy.
Why are we detaining immigrants? We should be letting them in so that they can help expand our economy. Oh, that's right. You think that they are all rapists, murderers and freeloaders that take Americans jobs in a zero-sum action. (Buzzzer sounds) Wrong! They are actually part of the reason that we are doing so well right now . Oh. That's right. You think like Trump. The stock market is not really at all time highs , Crime is not down . Inflation is not nearing the fed target . And Melania still won't sleep with you.
Because it did. We had all better start being more humane to our fellow travelers.
None of these makes her a radical, a socialist, or a Marxist. These words may be burned into some brains as "evil". That will pass, as will we all.
You go, Joe! Biden-Harris '24
Well of course it does. Those who believe in Socialism would want it. And of course it would be unsustainable. Our entitlements already have us trillions in debt.
Rights do not extend from citizenship.
Certain rights do. Representation & voting are the privileges of citizenship.
'Bout time. We have been shitting where we eat for too long.
Unfortunately, we can't snap our fingers and be green tomorrow. For now, we still need fossil fuels.
I am mostly in agreement with the removal of cash bail for certain crimes. Cash bail acts as a severe impediment to people who cannot afford it while the better off can meet the bail. So it does not serve the purpose it is intended to it just keeps the poor imprisoned (Is that the reason for it??? Hmmmm). We cannot do away with cash bail entirely, but we can reform the system so someone is not sitting in jail for a low level, non-violent crime while they await trial.
People who cannot afford bail shouldn't commit crime. End of story. This idea is right out of the Marxist view relating to oppressors v the oppressed.
Yay! It is about time we got in front of the money to be made by producing and selling our own green economy.
Something we couldn't afford and are about 30 years away from.
Why are we detaining immigrants? We should be letting them in so that they can help expand our economy.
So, you believe in open borders and admit they are open.
Because it did. We had all better start being more humane to our fellow travelers.
"Our fellow travelers" broke the law the day they entered.
None of these makes her a radical, a socialist, or a Marxist. These words may be burned into some brains as "evil". That will pass, as will we all.
In your opinion they are not radical, socialist or Marxist, but at least you just verified that every one of them is a fact.
Do you define socialism as a government that provides social programs (or equivalent)?
But if they can afford it, that's alright by your metrics. That explains a lot. Thank you for the insight into your character.
You have just 'invented' a position for him that he didn't espouse.
What does that say about 'character'?
Yeah, problem for the Dems is that she is unelectable.
Unelectable and unavoidable. It is her turn now!
Unless Hillary makes a comeback because she was robbed (according to her) and never got her turn.
I'd have a much lengthier vetting of her.
I'll bet you would.
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That's what I thought!
That's what I think of a lot of postings 'here'
Well, on MSNBC's Ana Navarro Reports, Peter Baker, MSNBC's Chief White House Correspondent, 'announced' according to him that this conference won't end this age-ism drama. As Peter says its one news conference alone without a teleprompter, scripting, or other paraphernalia (just Biden along with the choice 'hounds' of media). He wonders outloud about Biden doing really well. . . tonight. . . what about the next time.
Well, Mr. Baker, you need to acquaint yourself with the logical fallacy of moving the goalpost.
Mr. Biden's is not a 'show horse' to be put on display and 'equipped' just so for media 'performances, plural.' He is an 81 years old leader of the United States and deserves to be treated with the dignity afforded the office! Especially when he is performing up to proper expectations.
And the people will be the judge of that.
Save it. Your 'group' wants the show horse to falter out the gate. The presidency is not a 'day' or a 'moment' its a four year period of work, strain, and fighting with external international forces as well as internal national forces—including the Fourth Estate.
That said, Biden will have to 'man up' and climb the mountain set before him or take his leave off the side of a ledge. . . I am alright with either/or as a solution.
They call it taking a bullet for the team.
But Kamala?
To perform up to expectations, he'd have to use a periscope to look up to a amoeba!
Especially when he is performing up to proper expectations.
lol, he can’t meet with other heads of state because he doesn’t function after dinner.
Strange that in a new poll this morning Trump and Biden are tied.
How bad must Trump be if he cannot put away an old as the hills zombie ?
Trump is the most unpopular candidate in American history, the media spends billions of dollars attacking him, he was indicted. And he’s still winning…
a competent moderate democrat, bill clinton without the rapes, probably gets 60% of the vote.
The media has been attacking Biden for two weeks straight, and yet, in a brand new poll he is tied with Trump.
That should scare you.
You mean the same media that has protected Sleepy Joe and attacked Trump for 8 years? Because THAT's a reliable source.
the media attacked Trump for over 7 years, and he is supposedly the embodiment of all that is evil, and Joe can't leech out a bigger lead despite all of his rousing successes on inflation, the deficit, wars, and the border?
WOw, you should be worried.
That reminds me of Kamala.
for the past nine years the media has been far too kind to trump. he is the most unfit presidential candidate in American history, and was in 2015-2016 as well.
Wow, that comment is a big lie.
Unless one has lived under a rock for a decade, one knows there have been literally thousands of negative articles about Trump.
You yourself have seeded hundreds, at least, if not a thousand or more.
it is a ridiculous claim not based in reality.
Which is the reason you have endless supply of anti Trump material to post here.
Unless they were calling for Trump and his entire family immediate imprisonment and death- you would claim they were being far too kind.
Exactly, it was a senseless claim.
Based on comments read here, I think that is a fair and accurate assessment.
He is the 'head' of NATO, and unless he is on another country's 'time' - they will meet with the U.S. president on his 'time.'
Trumpists should appreciate that 'strong' stance from a world leader. /s
The guy can't find the exit on a stage and you laughably think he's the "head of NATO".
"That should scare you."
Not near as much as a second Biden term does.
That comment is just an ad hominem attack. Therefore, if fails the 'discussion' test.
The comment is a statement of truth.
Bull.
So that's not Roomba Joe wandering aimlessly around or being directed / helped off the stage after speeches?
"How bad must Trump be if he cannot put away an old as the hills zombie ?"
The exact same could be said of Biden. Just a matter or perspective.
For honesty, the head of NATO is the Secretary General of NATO, that position is currently held by a Norwegian, Jens Stoltenberg.
NOT Joseph Biden.
Formally, the (elected) Secretary General is the head of NATO. However, we know the nuance at play here. The U.S. is the NATO 'heavyweight.' member. That is what I meant and I feel it should not go without stating it.
I know many people that would look at that statement and agree its true , even myself has thought it and thought it was partially true , until i gave it some deeper thought as i grew older.
I also know that we have members on site that do or have lived outside the US , have served in the military outside the US, that will understand when i say , that that statement made me laugh so hard i about soiled myself . Thankfully its laundry day .
I would have to say in my view that is likely the most "Trumpian " statement one could make , even though the condition leading to it has existed for well over 100 years.
If i were a certified critic ild give this one a snort and two raspberry's . but only in its general direction ......
A basic understanding of the triggered mind is required in this case, when it comes to how recent US presidents handle the UN.
Trump bad and Biden good. Even when they intimate similar concepts.
This is the triggered manta and qualifying action to achieve the Jamaal Bowman fire alarm puller award.
That comment displays a strong inclination to missing the point, and displays superfluous ('nasty' even) statements. Do 'clean' it up or don't bother addressing me. I can do without the added unessential visuals and 'filth.'
You want it "cleaned up", as you wish . thing is are you sure you really want that ?
That statement i quote , is the perfect example and epitome, of typical American ignorance , arrogance and self aggrandizing self importance ( sounds a lot like trumpian thinking and actions to me ) UK and France have the ability and capability to hit just as heavy and hard as the US with less without US involvement , all the NATO members have both the capability and ability to mobilize just as many troops as the US collectively which is what NATO is about . The Countries of Europe wield just as much economic power as the US through the EU.
The US brings 3 things to NATO that the other members do fall behind it in , Amounts and types of weaponry it brings to the table being one but others as i said have them as well , logistical mobility and the ability to move vast amounts over great distances , though the other members can do the same within their own capacities , just not in volume . The last being production expansion capability , the other members can do the same , granted a lot slower and with greater risk .
With that said , i see no reason to think that the US is alone the only heavyweight in NATO, or has any manifest destiny that they should be the world leader in the matter , actually i think the US track record of world leadership is not only spotty at best but down right appalling in most cases which leads to much of the over the glasses side eye silent raspberrys other nations give the US.
I didnt miss any point that was attempting to being made, nor the political advantage being sought , i simply disagree with the size of the seat at the table that is being presented , and who sits at the figurative head of that table .
I think that should clean things up sufficiently .
I of course take NO responsibility for anyones offence they feel . thats on them .
Basically, you agree the U.S. is a heavyweight and arguably the heavyweight when nuanced. I am done with this episode. You can have the last word, of course.
since you give me leave for the last word .....
not quite .
Karl Rove is now on Fox News with his white Board.
It seems that 30% of adults still want Biden to continue with his campaign.
Makes me wonder how many people want Joe to continue on because they see his chances of winning getting less and less with each passing mumble or stare into space.
They don't know whether to shit or go blind.
So they will close one eye and fart.
They thought that by this time Trump & MAGA would be done.
The maga cult is proof that some in society are devolving including their dear leader
House passes bill to ban noncitizens from voting in federal elections.
Well done Sir.
Now, at least, that won't be an excuse for an alleged "2024 rigged election."
Our friend, who left abruptly, has pinned his hopes on a poll and an editorial.
How about you?
Do you really expect to run with the old script?
Doesn't Kamala have something better?
You have this constant belief that people are afraid of you or your opinions. It is truly comical, albeit boring.
With 198 Democrats voting against it, it appears THEY are trying toset that narrative up.
They went where truth presides
Wow, I can't believe the lack of self awareness to make a statement like that about someone else.
Don't know who you mean.
Well Jeremy, you can't have it both ways this time. Pick one side to discuss and leave the other side alone.
All I did was stated a fact. I guess being able to decipher what side I'm standing on escapes you.
Gee so the traitor satisfied the rabid maga cult with a bill for something that is not happening
Useless traitor scum former 'president' fellator
Useless bill as well. So what??
Amen!
A bill that accomplishes nothing
Bravo!
lol
Yup, that's the republican led House. Pass a bill to outlaw something that is already illegal.
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And out of 503 Democrats - 198 Democrats voted against it.
Now why would Democrats vote against it? Oh, that's right. Because it requires an ID to vote. According to Democrats that racist because certain demographic don't know how to get an ID, or can't get an ID.
Why vote for something that outlaws something already outlawed?
Republicans are just trying to make it look like they can do something, unfortunately anyone looking at their record can see that they cannot.
Is it just THIS one law you are complaining about?
Did you complain equally when Congress passed "hate crime" bills, or just now because this is a bill pushed by the GOP helping to insure election integrity?
Right on the money.
As we've already seen it's the Democrats that are hindering anything from being done.
Bigboy press conference, whoever came up with this should be fired.
LMAO!
It was his wonderful press secretary.
It gives the game away that they think of him like an infant. Next week he’ll try big boy pants without a diaper,
Registered voters-
Trump 46%
Biden 46%
Does one poll make Biden less senile?
Can you even imagine hanging your hopes and dreams on someone who has to BRAG about a "big boy conference"?
Isn't that rather shameful?
a thousand polls couldnt make Trump any less of an anti-democratic buffoon
and abomination
true enough.
And 10,000 polls won't make Biden look less senile and unfit.
And what does that have to do with 8.2? Oh that's right...
And as was pointed out, they over sampled democrats by 9 as a percentage, what does that do to the results John?
Funny how democrats aren’t even pretending to argue that Biden can fulfill the role of president for four more years, it’s just about polling. They know he’s not fit to be president and they don’t care.
Like I said it isn't that they are pro-Biden, they are strictly anti-Trump.
They are more than willing to elect an imbecile.
Those with sense know President Biden can fulfill the role. He also has a capable administration who all aren't under indictment or in prison/convicted felons like the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist traitor's criminal enterprise of an administration.
Nor will it make Biden any more electable.
At least his mental issues have replaced everyone focusing on his policies that have hurt the country.
Notice no source was provided? Those number could have come from anyone' imagination.
It does not, but they have to have something to throw in. Notice there was zero source named, again?
Oh I noticed. It's happens so much that it's become the norm. Then when they are called out on it they resort to personal attacks. Because, you know, that's what adults do.
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Blah, blah, blah. Kamala Harris is pinko commie Marxist socialist. Harris is Hanoi Jane. C'mon, this ain't the 1980s. William F. Buckley really didn't know what he was talking about, Ronald Reagan is dead, Newt Gingrich is nothing more than a fat assed grifter, Karl Rove is a self absorbed liar, and the Red Scare bullshit won't win elections any longer. Handing power back to Republican dimwits and deadwood won't put the country on the path toward peace and prosperity. Never has and never will.
The United States is probably the only country on the planet that could make socialism work. Let that sink in a moment. Think about that. Is that really, really, really about socialism? The United States can make any wild assed theory work if we choose to do so. Why do you think every academic lunatic tries to sell their lunacy to the people of the US? Now, tell us what these Republican shitheads are protecting us from.
The problem with Kamala Harris (as with most liberals) is that she is completely and utterly blind to consequences. Harris is like a kid in the toy aisle; she wants the next shiny toy and ignores the trail of broken toys she leaves behind. Kamala Harris only lives in the now. And the country would only live from moment to moment with a President Harris; waiting for the next shiny toy.
The batshit craziness and delusion is so off the rails, I don't know why I waste my time
Is that supposed to make us Blue?
-- Billie Holiday for President
No, the maga cult is a lost cause. Irredeemable and deplorable
Good question
Neither do a lot of the rest of us./s
Thank you, it took 160 previous comments to land this goose on Lac des Débilles.
Sounds great to me.
Kamala '24
In 2020 Marianne Williamson got almost 30 times the votes that Harris got.......Is this really how shallow the democrats bench is?
I edited this to show the correct number, i original said 3 times but the actual total is 30 times.
well, in all fairness, she was around longer than Harris was.
Didn't Harris bail before the first primary?
Marianne Williamson also dropped out before the first Primary, 1 month after Harris.
Wow, that month made a difference. I guess!
It's funny how hard Democrats are pushing Harris now after soundly rejecting her then.
You think they are dumb enough to be swayed by her performance as VP?
Biden.......
Speaking of dementia boy he just introduced putin to the nato conference. He is the biggest embarrassment in US presidential history.
2024 General Election: Trump vs. Harris Polls | RealClearPolling
2024 General Election: Trump 47.8% vs Harris 45.2%
Remember that time Trump won the most votes in an election?
Me neither! In fact, he has never polled above 50% in any polls...
Yes, 2016, don't you remember him beating the Queen?
We should be kind. Some are setting themselves up for an even more delusional version of reality than then...
Trump never got the most popular votes in any election, ever...
Sure, so far. Would your head spin if he did this election?..
Too bad the popular vote doesn't elect the president......as you know
Popular vote doesn't mean "diddly" to quote Brewster's millions....
Minority Rule, huh? Trump has no chance at winning the most popular votes. He might sneak in with a minority of the popular votes, if he pulls an inside strait with the Electoral College...
When it is down to the nut cuttin voters will break for Biden!
(nods head , smiles) if you say so , of course...
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I told you as long as he can read, he’s fine. But let’s see how the questions go.
He called trump vice president 😳
Now he starts the whispering
Look at that face. He’s pissed
Question is , at what?
The question?
The reporter?
The situation?
Himself?
Or something else?
The question obviously. Even though he knows what they were going to be
Grandpa is having trouble maintaining his train of thought.
I’m not pro labor I’m pro union, so he supports organized crime over the workers?
This is the most basic of functions a politician should be able to accomplish. Simply answer unscripted questions without embarrassing yourself. It's such a basic task and because he can't function normally it's turned into some herculean challenge for him to complete.
And he can't do it.
Two nights ago Trump could not finish the word "hospitalization" without slurring it into unrecognizability. Is Trump capable of pronouncing 12 letter words without mangling them into incoherence? It doesnt appear so.
And without lying his "Donald" off.
Maybe not
Does that mean Biden gets a pass?
Bidens only problem tonight is he is talking too much, making the answers too long.
He has absolutely been coherent .
Sure, mixing up the leaders of Russia and Ukraine is SOP for Biden, and I would expect sycophants to cover for him!
Good job.
Biden is nailing his news conference and is putting forward a comprehensive plan for going forward, unlike you know who!
Youve been covering for the buffoon for 9 years. We have some catching up to do.
Vice President trump was coherent?
I have never covered for Biden, so your post is false.
Of course it does!
And the winged swine have flown away as well.
The whispering is getting creepy Joe!
They delayed this for an hour to get him right and this is the result....
He's doing fine.
If he wasnt under so much scrutiny no one would say a bad word about this press conference so far.
Lol
Agreed
"You" the collective you, would not give him his props anyway.
What props do "you" the collective you think he deserves?....
There is no curve generous enough to move his grade to “fine.”
the man is supposed to be the president of the United States.
So was Trump and he embarrassed the shit out of us for four years.
That you use Trump as the standard to compare Biden to discredits all the hysteria about Trump.
If you actually believed what you claimed about Trump, you'd demand the Democrats nominate someone like Mitt Romney to save the country from trump. Instead you are perfectly happy with a guy you endlessly compare to Trump.
Bizarre. Why dont the Republicans dump Trump and nominate Romney ? he is a Republican after all.
Your analysis presumes that Trump is more fit for office than Biden, which is pure insanity.
Republicans don't believe Trump is an existential threat to democracy like democrats claim to.
If Democrats really believed that Trump is some massive threat to this country, you'd think they'd nominate the best possible candidate to beat him because it meant that much. Instead Democrats nominated his mirror image, a corrupt serial liar with a massive ego, and are now willing to tell the most ridiculous lies to keep him on the ballot.
The Chicken Little wannabes always say this or that is a threat, and only they can save (gasp!) DEMOCRACY!!
Bullshit! They just don't care as long as the next POTUS has an (R) next to their name. Trump has admitted it on television.
and continues to along with the cult of maga
And that differs from Democrats how exactly?
Silly question. Everyone knows it is OK when they do it. S/
You familiar with executive orders?
As the old saying goes, if he can't take the heat he has no business in the kitchen. Or as the immortal Super Chicken said to his faithful lion Fred "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it Fred." Same applies to politics in DC.
Biden knows he’s not in the Senate anymore, right?
Does he?
Enquiring minds wonder!
And there is the anger part of dementia.
He was angry momentarily about the death of kids and certain groups not taking it to heart. He, himself, has lost many of his kids through misfortunes of life.
(I forgot the other side of that argument that he was making. Oops, maybe I am too old.)
How many and by what means? It sure as fuck wasn’t guns.
I didn't say the fuck it was about guns (that Biden lost his children. . . wife). He is as the bible would put it: "A man acquainted with" loss. Moreover, he is the president. . . he should sympathize and empathize with the citizens he directly serve and many ways 'shepherd.'
So what is the neurologist doing? Is part of it cognitive testing?
What is the count on “I served in the Senate a long time” 8?
And thank God for philadelphia because that city pushed him over the top in every senate election he faced…….
Great day for trump. Biden committed memorable, major gaffes but didn’t throw poo at reporters so blueanon will claim he’s in perfect shape and fight to keep him on the ballot.
Yeah. Trump is off being self-indulgent and the collective "you" are pleased about it. To let 'you' tell it, Donald can't lose with the stuff he use!
Letting blueanon gas up Biden is the best campaign strategy trump has ever had. All he needs to do is let Biden talk as much as possible.
normal people watch these clips and are horrified at the prospect of this man governing us for FOUR more years. As a democratic congressman said, this was like Truman introducing Churchill as hitler. It’s a career defining gaffe for anyone but Biden, who has so many of them.
Trump is the gaffe that keeps on giving. "You" are much to accommodating of his failures to communicate. . .truthfully, nevertheless. And oh have a dog already! Now there is some new 'thing'. . . 'blueanon' that has joined the fracas. Hey everybody listen up: "Make room for Blueanon is in the house!"
for gods sake just stop. People are more horrified by Trump, as you will learn over the course of the next three months.
Before Trump, if you told someone that a presidential candidate for a major party would be talking about his fear of electrocution, making light of a fictional cannibal, mangling words and sentences on a daily basis, and playing a song from a deranged conspiracy group at his rallies, they would think you were nuts.
Donald if the gaffe that keeps on giving. . .and his supporters love all that bull he shovels. It's 'delicious' and 'filling' too.
Let's find one more crime or indignity or indecency to pile on the stack. . . . hell, just throw 'every thang' up on the heap. They like it: they REALLY like it!
People who continue to pretend Biden is capable of functioning as President are no more attached to reality than Qanon.
Different sides of the same coin.
Yeah, it's embarrassing a President would lie about his uncle being eaten by cannibals and accuse the residents of a friendly country of doing it while on their own soil. It's horrifying, actually.
Well, I will have to learn the phraseology, because its . . . collective conservative 'hood-speak' I guess. (Never heard it before today.)
I read that already, thank you for 'caring.' /s
Now I have to take some time to process it. . . because its 'news' to me.
I have a Everand online book account. I will look for it as time permits.
LMAO!
Or get the shirt on amazon
No way! I ain't spending hard cash on nobody's extremist bull.
Biden was clearly coherent ,well thought , and in command of facts. He is absolutely capable of being an in charge president.
His problem is presentation and his natural stuttering and thinking and trying to express himself faster than his mouth can move ill serves him under this much scrutiny.
I dont think Biden lost a single vote tonight.
Do you think Trump could stand there and talk coherently about China for 10 minutes running , like Biden did tonight? LOL, I feel sorry for you if you do.
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If you find it, please share....
He didn't gain a vote here either, so it's a wash.
Are you people capable of answering comments with on topic responses? It doesnt seem like it.
The stupid big-mouthed inflatable media heads are huffing and puffing (and may get their way who knows) about how the NEXT time may be the gaffe-making thing that does it. Go figure. As Biden says, it's them. . . they are never satisfied. A president's work is not to do "performances" for inflated media heads. One in particular pissed me off as soon as he opened his irritating mouth: CNN's David Chalian, was nearly foaming his outrage about the 'next time'. . . of course, Biden will slip up. . .all old people have it: senior moments. . .when asked to perform 'suddenly.' But Chalian, will be there with his trusty pen and pad to 'write it up' and pass it along. . . .
By the way, Chalian, you looked a 'sight' tonight on the network: Did somebody else dress you. . .especially around the head and shoulders? (Rhetorical.)
That pretty much says all that needs to be said.....
I am pretty damn sure Donald is a mature elderly liar and the collective "you" knows what that means. . . . pretty much says all that needs to be said!
Lol.
The idea that Biden's problem is "stuttering " is about the most ridiculous thing you can say.
OOHOOOH !!!! pick me ....Mr Kotter
you have a couple options to do just that John , click their name and ignore should come up click that and you wont see their comments their name shows up in greyscale ,but no comment .
other option is get a site no contact order , you still get to see what they say , but they cant respond to you and you cant respond to them .
difference between the two is one you can do yourself and keep in place as long as you want , the other needs the site RA or a moderator to install and has a time limit . under the one you can do though they can still comment only YOU cannot see it , everyone else can .
dealers choice and your the dealer in this matter .
both do work very well.
Biden's true problem is he is a old functioning president. . . Donald's true problem is he is a brazen, self-indulgent, irreconcilable, reprobate, with a God complex beloved by Trumpists.
Yeah. All the old Presidents, on the exceedingly rare occasion they met with the cabinet, held scripted meetings where cabinet members weren't allowed to talk freely or ask/respond with anything that wasn't on the script. All the previous Presidents only did scripted interviews with press and demanded the right to edit the interview before it's release to cover up gaffes.
Totally normal behavior.
Opinions vary and that is your opinion and your welcome to it , it is however not my opinion and i disagree as to being functional .
Trump is an old functioning liar and that causes "you" no pause. Deal with oldness, Sean. Deal with it. Try not to resent it. It happens.
Ahem. You told me not to 'piggyback' on your comments. . .so I've started seeing other people. . . Be clear: If you want to 'discuss' with me or not. But not. . . this.
That was NOT a piggyback leading to a sermon from the mount going off topic of the comment, it was a concise and direct rebuttal and thoughts to your statement.
No. it is now acceptable and okay to call people trolls.
as evidenced above.
for years we have had a handful of people here who do little but comment on other peoples comments. that is understandable at times, it is not acceptable, in my opinion, all the time.
So in your opinion, it's not acceptable all the time for someone to opine on another members opine?
You realize where your at, right?...
In spite of his mistakes (e.g. V.P. Trump) Biden came off well. He knew what he was talking about. Made a positive case. Offered a clear delivery. Handled the questions well. And, importantly, was presidential.
Trump would have simply lied.
Biden can serve as PotUS given the support he will have. There still is no comparing Biden with a loose-cannon, vindictive, narcissist, con-man ... especially when the PotUS has just been granted extra-constitutional immunities from prosecution.
Sure.... VP Trump, President Putin, first black lady to serve with a black president......
He's doing fine...
Of course you will look only at his mistakes and ignore everything else.
John we got here close to the same time , a few months difference with you first , back then it was a discussion board , people had discussions , with disagreements and all, actual debates in some cases . slowly it turned into a comment board as some think it is i have recently been told . I think the site is poorer for the change and echo chamber with 2 opposing sides it appears to have become .
Just my opinion .
Lol. I repeatedly say he should not be President and I won't vote for him. Apparently, a lot of people have trouble believing you can see Trump for what he is without swallowing the Biden kool-aid and making embarrassing claims about how well Biden is doing.
Other than that Ms. Lincoln, how was the play?
Could you explain what you mean by that?
Yes, I could. But it is not necessary to explain something that obvious.
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No, he means you ignore everything else Biden said...
These were mistakes made while he was under heavy scrutiny as to his cognitive state. I would expect someone aware to be able to avoid those kind of mistakes...
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Biden makes these kind of mistakes. I wish he did not, but it is a fact that he does.
It is also a fact that Biden is a responsible adult who knows how to conduct himself as a President. Given the choice of trusting Biden with the powers of the presidency vs Trump, there is no contest. Biden is clearly the better man (by an order of magnitude) to have presidential powers.
So, yeah, Greg Biden is old and sometimes gives poor responses. He stumbles and fumbles with words at times. Given the alternative, it is a no brainer to go with Biden.
I disagree.
I do agree with that though...
What a shock.
What's a shock is how many people seem to feel Biden probably isn't fit for office now much less another term but would vote for him.
Truer words have never been typed.
Did you know that it IS possible (against all odds, apparently) to criticize Biden without comparing him to Trump?
Or that a criticism of Biden is in no way an endorsement of Trump?
What I am not sure is possible is for some to look at Biden and judge Biden on Biden.
Or to give plausible reasons to vote for him on his OWN merits.
LMAO!
I do too!!!
How can you possibly not understand that??
The next PotUS is either going to be Biden or Trump. Why is it so difficult for you to comprehend how people can determine that Biden is better for this nation than Trump and thus vote for Biden to help stop Trump?
The most basic ideas need to be explained?
That really shouldn't come as a shock any longer.
Now, it is to be expected.
Doesn't matter if Biden is fit, sane, rational, or a complete vegetable, don't you know by now the IMPORTANT thing is beating Trump? I don't think anything else matters much to some folks.
I have to agree with everything written there. There was the stark blunder with V. P. Trump uttered. But it happened to me as perhaps it happened to millions watching. . . that a realization hit me smack in the face. . . this man, this president, this professional and leader knows what he is doing for this country and the world through lived experiences. . .his heart is in it and he clearly is stating that he also knows that his planned policies could never be complete in a one term administration. That is what he is really trying his damnedest to get across. That is, he may flub his spoken deliveries, but he LIVES for policy matters on behalf of his/our/this country! I saw that break through.
I wonder if it 'hit' the audience of reporters and journalists with such full force too, or even 'first.'
Have you realized that some people can look at Biden and think he is worse for the country?
Why? Speech is an incredibly complex task when you get right down and look at it.
Right after my 14th birthday I had a stroke. I have had speech aphasia ever since as a result (I am mid-fifties now). I consider myself to be "Aware", acutely so, sometimes.
Let me tell you what it is like to have speech aphasia.
Say you're having a conversation. In order to have this conversation you need to first formulate the sentence in your mind. Then, you send the sentence to another part of your brain where it gets translated from thought words to a series of commands to form the physical shape of the words in that sentence.
So you get mid-sentence or thought and the word that you had all lined up to say suddenly goes away. You still know what you were going to say, everything about it, you can describe what the word means, but you cannot for love nor money remember the sound that was supposed to come out of your mouth.
Talk about frustrating.
It derails conversations. I am aware and adept, but so many times I have stood there and either been flustered and desperately searching for the word or trying to correct what I said, sometimes the point of what I am saying behooves me to just continue and correct later because otherwise there is a high likelihood of me getting bogged down in the physical act of speaking that I will loose the gist of what I was talking about. (Kind of like that sentence!)
That is what I saw Biden do tonight: He misspoke, realized it, could not find the word, started to lose his train of thought, got a little bit flustered, and then said, "Fuck it!" and hammered on.
One thing that I have learned the hard way is that the person who controls the conversation, controls the outcome. If there is no voice, there is no chance of being heard and little chance that your vision will see light.
He's old. He has a Vice-President. Let's get this shit going.
I'm sorry Sean. When the collective "you' starts tearing Donald a 'new one' for his daily lies. . . '
I heard he spoke somewhere today. . .I am pretty sure there was a new pack of lies told. . . perhaps you can share one of those lies with this board.
When you start with Donald's 'receipts' about how he is splitting this country farther and farther into choosing himself and nobody else, and demonizing anybody (including "good" republicans) who gets in his way leading to them receiving threats on their lives and families. . ."you" are simply writing impotent and hollow words about not being a supporter or enabler of Trumpism. There is no 'happy middle' Donald wants "you' to occupy on his behalf. Thus, "you" are not occupying it.
When you look at the alternative...
Are you fucking kidding me!? He has a VP. Get out of the way.
Of course, it is those people who are irrationally supporting a scoundrel for PotUS.
Who's even less favorable than him? Indeed he does....
They will tell us collectively that he may be a scoundrel indeed, and (but) he is their scoundrel! (Chuckles.)
I suppose it all evens out with those people irrationally supporting an aging, mentally-handicapped man for POTUS.
So now we are all even, and America is screwed.
I would take a cold cup of shit over Donald Trump. He is a boor. He rips the country apart for fun and profit.
I am not a Democrat, I do not even think that there should be political parties, but I am a citizen and it is my very considered opinion that Donald Trump should never again be allowed access to any governmental powers.
Rational, responsible, and patriotic.
One would think a self-interested, money-grubbing, liar who clearly loves nothing more than firing, lawyers, and a passion for lying. . . would relish returning to the cut-throat world of business and living out his days cutting 'impossible' deals with the knowledge he gained from his past life as president. One could be forgiven for wondering what he has to gain from coming back into the 'deep end' of the political sphere. . . what is his real attraction to it. Maybe he just can't ignore a gathering of 'simps' who bow and scrape when he is ne'er. Funny thing, Donald seems to not require such ill-conceived deference from those who stand and sit in the stands waiting for him to appear. . . .
Trump is running to escape prosecution.
Lets see.... Hmmmmmm The first time he tried to hijack the government....
I know! Let's let him do it again! /s
Ah, yes. The dreaded prosecutions and yes(!) even the loss of having a house Speaker standing close by (like some mentally-whipped lackey) waiting to be told how/when/what to 'serve up.' Mitch McConnell 'bucked' but the saddle did not fall loose and so Donald still gets his rides there too!
We really need to see Donald get his proper and just desserts in courts of law. We won't have proper peace and closure elsewise.
People vote. Take others to vote. Register even others. Beat the damn bushes and find them and MAKE them vote!
I don't know about all that...
Which is why he declared so early. I mean, that and the money.
Yes, he is under so much pressure to begin with and with his stuttering problem he has to think carefully and speak carefully - and under so much scrutiny.
You nailed it John, as usual.
You're awesome Thomas.
But that doesn't fit their narrative of what people are supposed to think. You're not in lockstep with the Narrative. THE. NARRATIVE.
The bar was set so low a fifth grader would have come off well
Conjecture
People are voting for Biden to be president, not just do OK (hopefully) because of a bunch of people around him that checked some boxes.
And they probably think it is irrational, unpatriotic and irresponsible to vote for a guy that may not remember who he is or where he is in another four years.
It is very clear, to everyone except the conspiracy addled, that Biden is capable of being president and IS functioning as a president who is in charge. He talked for almost an hour, mostly about the intricacies of U.S. foreign policy. The claim that Biden "doesnt know where he is" is obviously silly.
So he talks slow and forgets a few things, so what? He is right that age has given him wisdom.
Trump does not have a shred of wisdom in his entire body and brain. People who are truly patriotic will vote for Biden without a blink. If he doesnt make it through four more years his vice president will step in and do a fine job. Kamala Harris is a hundred times more fit for office than Trump is.
I have to say, I am losing faith in my country.
The totally irresponsible media is mainly to blame for this.
I hate to admit it but the more Joe talks the more I have to reconsider my vote for neither thinking.
Anyone who has paid even basic attention to Trump knows that this is not mere conjecture but a well reasoned statement of high likelihood.
In case you have not noticed, we have two very poor candidates for PotUS in 2024. Anyone with even normal expectations of good for the next PotUS is living in a dream world.
In our current situation, 'OK' would be quite a win.
It seems 72% of registered voters don't drink the same Kool-Aid. " A CBS News/YouGov poll released on Sunday indicated that 72% of registered voters believe the president does not have the mental and cognitive health to serve as president - a sharp increase from the 65% who said the same in an earlier poll."
It is irrational to jump off of a building to a certain death.
Right?
But it is arguably rational to do so if the building is on fire and your choice is to burn to death in agony or have a quick, painless death.
The point, since these things must always be explained it seems, is that in life adults sometimes must deal with a choice between two bad outcomes. Rational adults will try to pick the better of two bad outcomes.
Biden is a responsible adult. Trump is a loose-cannon, vindictive, man-child.
Biden tries to do what he thinks is good for the nation. Trump cares only about what is good for himself.
Biden has demonstrated his willingness to listen to advisors and work cooperatively with world leaders. Trump always thinks he is the smartest guy in the room.
Biden tries to hold true to our Constitution and laws of our land. Trump has demonstrably attempted to violate both.
... on and on ...
Yeah, we do not have good choices, but Trump is clearly the worst choice for this nation.
Have you ever voted for a D?
His own staff refers to a completely normal press conference (except of course no scrum because biden can't handle that) as a "big boy" conference because they are so rare and such a challenge for Biden. The very fact that a routine press conference is national news demonstrates how feeble Biden is and how he really isn't functioning as a President. A Press conference for a normal President is simply routine.
Of course, the news that Biden isn't even capable of holding a cabinet meeting without it being scripted should have already driven home the point that he isn't in charge already. But some people prefer to lie to themselves than to believe their own eye and ears and the reporting of their own side.
72% of people dont know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to this topic.
The president is a figure head whose impact is mainly carried out by who he puts in positions of authority within the government. The president is the representation of our government and our politics to the rest of the world and domestically. There are more reasons Trump is unfit than could possibly fit on a page like this. The New York Times editorially yesterday systematically listed many of them. Not a single conservative on this site went on either of the two articles about that editorial that were seeded here to dispute the actual content of the articles.
Because they cant dispute the mountain of reasons Trump is unfit.
"But" Biden is old.
God help us.
If you were trying to convince me or any other non progressive to vote for Trump, that's the best argument.
Seems more and more people are not buying that assessment. Maybe Bidens "lack of mental capabilities" scares them more than Trumps "attack on democracy".
Other than twice I have always had a split ticket.
And you?
So Trump is an "acceptable" figurehead to you?
That kind of "thinking" is why we are so fucked up.
Ah, the ole "If people don't agree with me it is because they are ignorant argument". Good way to get them to come around
The issue is not that he is old it is a concern he is not mentally competent to be president. Stop trying to minimize Joes issue.
Why dont you go on either of the two articles about the NYT editorial and defend Trump against the facts they lay out. Donald Trump is a traitor. When you were a little boy could you ever have imagined that one day you would be defending a traitor who tried to overthrow his own government? I doubt it.
Biden talked coherently about foreign policy for the better part of an hour yesterday. Trump couldnt do that if his life depended on it.
After a minute, when he ran out of coherent thoughts on the subject he'd start talking about Hannibal Lecter or lying again about the 2020 election.
Yes, that is the key problem. The problem with Trump started when the GOP inexplicably bypassed decent human beings who were experienced, stable, younger and certainly fit to be PotUS and instead nominated a scoundrel.
Now the problem is that others would actually vote for this scoundrel to be PotUS.
The fact that so many would actually vote for Trump IS the problem right now.
Well, THOSE folks have eyes and ears.
Was that before or after introducing Zelensky as Putin? That would be like introducing you as Trumps biggest fan,
While I think Trumps speaking is not very good I do realize what stream of consciousness speaking and riling up the base speaking is. Just as I realize what scripted speaking without any give and take off the cuff is.
It is not a coincidence that the person who led the birther movement in 2011 became the GOP nominee a few years later. Not a coincidence at all. He appealed to a vast mindset of a contingent of the white people in this country.
There may have been other minor attractions to his appeal, but fear of the future from white people was the main impetus to him winning. We still see it in all the objections to diversity.
It only seems to be a problem for those that won't vote for Trump.
Sounds like a blue anon conspiracy theory. How did Obama fit into that narrative, twice?
Trump has said multiples of stupid things every day for the past nine years on the national stage.
Who does that appeal to, and why?
Well of course Trump voters do not recognize the problem. Obviously.
1. Trump voters did not vote for Obama either time.
2. Obama's ascension, showing that the country was changing toward diversity, is what triggered all this.
Everyone would have their own reason for that. Some of his speaking is so out there it is seen as hyperbole and not to be taken seriously but they like many of his policies. Funny that the same people that hung on every word out of Donalds mouth are the same ones complaining the most that people are closely looking at everything out of Joes mouth now.
So everyone thinks that someone else has a problem. Seems a silly thing to bring up.
Wow, blue anon is alive and well
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You actually want someone leading the country who says stupid things every day of his life? That is a depressing thought.
As far as his policies, I dont have any objection to someone promoting conservative policies, but there must surely be Republicans who can do that without acting like a lunatic. Are you that afraid that conservative policies wouldnt have a chance without Trump?
“1. Trump voters did not vote for Obama either time.”
that’s a really stupid statement because you have no idea of knowing that.
“2. Obama's ascension, showing that the country was changing toward diversity, is what triggered all this.”
another completely stupid statement. If that were true trump never would’ve become president. People are sick of the establishment politician. Establishment pols like romney would’ve stayed at the forefront of the repub party but many, many people are sick and tired of establishment politicians, from both sides of the aisle. Post 24.2.88 shows how out of touch some people are.
Really? Thanks for letting me know
I don’t think the president is, or should be, a mere figurehead. But if that’s all he is and he isn’t really in charge, than why not trump. Who cares?
I have to admit on second thought there was another reason Trump became the GOP nominee in 2016. He was a television star.
Funny that so many are scared that a figurehead is going to be a dictator and end democracy. That is one powerful figurehead.
Again, that post is completely out of touch with reality.
Because the figurehead of the nation is an important position.
What do kids learn about the president. Facts and figures and dates, or about their character and their vision for the country?
To have a president with Trump's character is an abomination.
If Trump gets back in office future historians are going to be very harsh about the era of 2015-2028. The chances of his time in office being viewed favorably by the future are about the same as the Chicago White Sox winning the world series this year.
Lmao, damn good point!
Well, that's one opinion completely devoid of fact.
And more speculation. Although when one takes an unbiased look at that era, it doesn't bode well for the Democrats. But it's not like the Democrats havne't been the problem before (i.e. slavery, Jim Crow laws, etc.)
You probably need to read more American history. There is ZERO chance future historians will give the Trump era a positive review.
Presidential historians have already ranked his first term as the worst of all time. Him being a traitor was probably part of that ranking.
“There is ZERO chance future historians will give the Trump era a positive review”
If so it’ll be because all the lying bs dems pulled trying to oust a duly elected president.
Great movie
I find it sad so many are so damn gullible about it.
Are you saying that appealing to white people is bad somehow, but appealing to black people is good?
It is very sad that so many still think Joe is fit for office no matter what they can see and hear coming from him.
Thanks, Tess.
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Historians Rank Donald Trump Worst U.S. President Again, with Biden in 14th Place
Abraham Lincoln came out on top among scholars as the nation’s greatest president, with Joe Biden debuting at 14 on the list
Historians have again named Donald Trump as the worst president in U.S. history , placing him 45th out of all the former American presidents in a new poll.
The poll surveys 154 presidential historians who are current and recent members of the American Political Science Association. Each respondent was asked to grade current and former presidents on 10 characteristics, including administrative skills, moral authority and economic management.
Abraham Lincoln came out on top among scholars as the nation’s greatest president, with University of Houston political science professor Brandon Rottinghaus saying in a release , “As presidential scholars reassess the impact of the modern presidency from administrative and cultural standpoints, we see significant shifts over time in what constitutes presidential greatness."
Current President Joe Biden ranked 14th in his first appearance on the list, with a rating of 62.7/100 — higher than Barack Obama ’s first rating in 2015 (58.2) and dramatically higher than Trump’s first rating in 2018 (13.0).
Trump came in last, and was also put last in the same survey released in 2018. He has since technically moved down on the list (from 44th to 45th place), but only because Biden was added.
“In the first post-Trump survey, we see a significant bump for recent Democratic presidents with each one moving up in the rankings while each of the recent Republican presidents dropped down, with the exception of President Trump who remained at the bottom of the rankings,” Coastal Carolina University political science professor Justin Vaughn said in the release.
Trump did get top marks in one category, though, ranking number one among "most polarizing" presidents.
"Donald Trump is by far the most polarizing of the ranked presidents, selected by 170 respondents and earning a 1.64 average (1 is a 'most polarizing' ranking)," the survey says.
Look no further than Biden being ranked 14th, ahead of Obama, to determine the bona fides of this ranking.
It’s nonsense. Complete nonsense
The point (ignored by a Trumpist) was Donald ranks "the worse U.S. president" - proving JR's point that it is in print.
Of course, "You" the collective you, can't see any truth in reporting where Donald is concerned, so of course, you left Donald out of your commentary.
It is what it is.
it’s an embarrassment to the country that people take this seriously. It’s just progressives being progressives and saying whatever helps them in the moment.
if Biden actually were the 14th best president in this country’s history, we’d be Haiti at this point,
These 'rankings' are merely opinions put forth by folks with their own prejudices.
It's good that truth can be pigeonholed so damn easily to suit 'everybody's' taste. /s It is what it is. My only point: JR is correct that it is out there in print!
Your point wasn’t ignored. It was rebutted.
It stands to reason if Biden being ranked 14th ahead of Obama is nonsense, so is Trump being ranked last.
This ranking list is a garbage in, garbage out, sort of affair.
So true
The linked article - proves JR's point that it is in print. Believe the article or not (up to Trumpists), but it is published (and dated).
You get the last word yet again. Go!
Lol, your comments show that you still don’t seem to understand that you have zero control over what, when and how others post here.
But you are welcome to keep trying ….
Historians Rank Donald Trump Worst U.S. President Again, with Biden in 14th Place
Abraham Lincoln came out on top among scholars as the nation’s greatest president, with Joe Biden debuting at 14 on the list
Historians have again named Donald Trump as the worst president in U.S. history , placing him 45th out of all the former American presidents in a new poll.
T he poll surveys 154 presidential historians who are current and recent members of the American Political Science Association . Each respondent was asked to grade current and former presidents on 10 characteristics, including administrative skills, moral authority and economic managemen t.
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The American Political Science Association (APSA) promotes scholarly understanding of political ideas, norms, behaviors, and institutions to inform public choices about government, governance, and public policy.
Mission
The American Political Science Association (APSA) supports excellence in scholarship and teaching and informed discourse about politics, policy and civic participation. The Association promotes a lively, diverse community of scholars, teachers, students, and practitioners who bring wide-ranging interests, methodologies, and perspectives to the analysis and conduct of government and politics. The Association disseminates information, facilitates collaboration among its members, and publicizes research findings on important theoretical and political issues, and publishes a variety of materials relevant to the discipline. It enhances the capacity of political scientists to conduct research, improve teaching, develop professionally, and communicate their ideas within the discipline and to wider publics.
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People magazine? That is fucking hilarious.
Official Results of the 2024 Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey
Brandon Rottinghaus, University of Houston
Justin S. Vaughn, Coastal Carolina University
About the Survey
The 2024 Presidential Greatness Project Expert Survey was conducted online via Qualtrics
from November 15 to December 31, 2023. Respondents included current and recent members of the
Presidents & Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association, which is the
foremost organization of social science experts in presidential politics, as well as scholars who had
recently published peer-reviewed academic research in key related scholarly journals or academic
presses. 525 respondents were invited to participate, and 154 usable responses were received,
yielding a 29.3% response rate.1
Rating and Ranking the Presidents
The primary purpose of this survey was to create a ranking of presidential greatness that
covered all presidents from George Washington to Joe Biden. To do this, we asked respondents to
rate each president on a scale of 0-100 for their overall greatness, with 0=failure, 50=average, and
100=great. We then averaged the ratings for each president and ranked them from highest average
to lowest.
The results of this ranking are quite similar to the results from our previous surveys
(released in 2015 and 2018): Abraham Lincoln again tops the list (95.03 average), followed by
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (90.83), George Washington (90.32), Teddy Roosevelt (78.58), Thomas
Jefferson (77.53), Harry Truman (75.34), Barack Obama (73.8), and Dwight Eisenhower (73.73).
The most notable changes in this ordering are Franklin Delano Roosevelt moving up to #2 from the
third spot last year, and Dwight Eisenhower falling back to #8 from #6 last year. The bottom of the
rankings is also relatively stable. Donald Trump rates lowest (10.92), behind James Buchanan
(16.71), Andrew Johnson (21.56), Franklin Pierce (24.6), William Henry Harrison (26.01), and
Warren Harding (27.76).
What is most noteworthy about the remaining presidents concerns who has risen and fallen
over time. Since our initial survey, several presidents have had significant changes in their rankings.
Barack Obama has risen 9 places (from #16 to #7 ), as has Ulysses S. Grant (from #26 to #17 ), while
Andrew Jackson has fallen 12 places (from #9 to #21 ) and Calvin Coolidge has dropped 7 spots
(from #27 to #34).
Examining the partisan and ideological differences among our respondents also indicates
some interesting dynamics. While partisanship and ideology don’t tend to make a major difference
overall, there are a few distinctions worth noting. For example, Republicans and Conservatives rank
1Responses where respondent did not confirm they officially agreed to participate were dropped
and are not included in the submission figure. Similarly, in the event a respondent completed the
survey twice, the second submission was dropped, as was any submission where the respondent did
complete the questionnaire through the initial presidential greatness rating sections. Incomplete
submissions were otherwise included, with responses being analyzed for those questions where
answers were provided.
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George Washington as the greatest president and James Buchanan as the least great. There are also
several presidents where partisan polarization is evident – Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Obama, and
Biden – but interestingly not for Bill Clinton.
Table 1: Overall Presidential Greatness Ratings and Rankings
2024 Rank President 2024 Rating
Change
2015-2024
Change
2018-2024
1 Lincoln 93.87
2 FD Roosevelt 90.83 Up 1 Up 1
3 Washington 90.32 Down 1 Down 1
4 T Roosevelt 78.58
5 Jefferson 77.53
6 Truman 75.34 Up 1
7 Obama 73.8 Up 9 Up 1
8 Eisenhower 73.73 Down 1 Down 2
9 LB Johnson 72.86 Up 3 Up 1
10 Kennedy 68.37 Up 4 Up 6
11 Madison 67.16 Up 2 Up 1
12 Clinton 66.42 Down 4 Up 2
13 J Adams 62.66 Up 2
14 Biden 62.66
15 Wilson 61.8 Down 5 Down 4
16 Reagan 61.62 Down 5 Down 7
17 Grant 60.93 Up 9 Up 4
18 Monroe 60.15 Up 2 Down 3
19 GHW Bush 58.54 Down 2 Down 2
20 JQ Adams 55.41 Up 2 Up 4
21 Jackson 54.7 Down 12 Down 3
22 Carter 54.26 Up 4 Up 4
23 Taft 51.67 Down 3 Down 1
24 McKinley 51.23 Down 3 Down 5
25 Polk 49.83 Down 6 Down 5
26 Cleveland 48.31 Down 3 Down 3
27 Ford 46.09 Down 3 Down 2
28 Van Buren 45.46 Down 3 Down 1
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29 Hayes 41.15 Up 1 Up 1
30 Garfield 40.98 Up 1 Up 5
31 Harrison 40.64 Down 2 Up 1
32 GW Bush 40.43 Up 3 Down 1
33 Arthur 39.61 Down 1 Down 4
34 Coolidge 39.38 Down 7 Down 6
35 Nixon 36.41 Down 1 Down 2
36 Hoover 34.08 Up 2 Down 2
37 Tyler 32.99 Down 1
38 Taylor 32.97 Down 5 Down 2
39 Fillmore 30.33 Down 2 Down 1
40 Harding 27.76 Up 2 Down 1
41 Harrison 26.01 Down 2 Up 1
42 Pierce 24.6 Down 2 Down 1
43 Johnson 21.56 Down 2 Down 3
44 Buchanan 16.71 Down 1 Down 1
45 Trump 10.92 Down 1
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Figure 1: Presidential Greatness By Rank and Ratings
Note: Scatter plot of scholars’ ranking and rating of each president.
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Table 2: Presidential Greatness Rankings by Party and Ideology
Name Republican
Rank
Democrat
Rank
Independent/
Other Rank
Conservative
Rank
Liberal
Rank
Moderate
Rank
Washington 1 3 2 1 3 2
Adams 20 15 13 16 14 19
Jefferson 6 5 4 4 5 7
Madison 16 11 12 14 11 13
Monroe 17 17 17 17 17 17
JQ Adams 29 21 20 24 21 23
Jackson 12 22 22 18 22 14
VanBuren 31 27 28 31 27 29
WH Harrison 42 41 42 42 41 41
Tyler 40 37 37 37 37 37
Polk 23 25 24 27 25 21
Taylor 37 36 38 36 36 38
Fillmore 38 39 39 39 39 39
Pierce 43 42 41 44 42 42
Buchanan 45 44 44 45 44 44
Lincoln 2 1 1 2 1 1
A. Johnson 44 43 43 41 43 43
Grant 28 14 18 21 15 18
Hayes 33 30 30 33 30 34
Garfield 36 29 29 38 29 32
Arthur 32 32 34 35 32 33
Cleveland 26 26 26 26 26 25
B. Harrison 34 31 32 34 31 31
McKinley 18 24 21 22 24 22
T. Roosevelt 4 4 5 7 4 4
Taft 21 23 23 23 23 24
Wilson 13 16 16 15 16 15
Harding 39 40 40 40 40 40
Coolidge 24 34 33 28 34 28
Hoover 35 38 35 32 38 36
FDR 3 2 3 3 2 3
Truman 7 7 7 8 8 5
Eisenhower 8 9 6 6 9 6
Kennedy 14 10 10 11 10 10
LB Johnson 9 8 9 12 7 8
Nixon 25 35 36 29 35 35
Ford 22 28 27 25 28 27
Carter 27 20 25 20 19 26
Reagan 5 18 14 5 18 11
GHW Bush 11 19 15 9 20 16
Clinton 10 12 11 10 12 12
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GW Bush 19 33 31 19 33 30
Obama 15 6 8 13 6 9
Trump 41 45 45 43 45 45
Biden 30 13 19 30 13 20
Note: Conservative column includes those who self-identified as either Conservative or Somewhat
Conservative. Liberal column includes those who self-identified as either Liberal or Somewhat
Liberal.
Table 3: Presidential Greatness Ratings by Party and Ideology
Name Republican
Average
Rating
Democrat
Average
Rating
Independent/
Other Average
Rating
Conservative
Average
Rating
Liberal
Average
Rating
Moderate
Average
Rating
Washington 96.94 90.19 88.71 97.10 88.75 91.50
Adams 58.25 62.84 63.60 62.90 62.71 62.42
Jefferson 79.63 78.88 74.24 81.19 77.22 76.89
Madison 61.19 69.42 64.06 63.76 67.67 67.31
Monroe 60.63 60.76 59.48 61.76 59.30 62.65
JQ Adams 49.06 55.88 56.23 52.71 54.72 58.45
Jackson 64.50 52.90 55.23 59.52 49.93 64.79
VanBuren 45.81 44.85 47.06 43.76 44.87 48.45
WH Harrison 29.13 25.96 25.80 27.85 24.63 29.58
Tyler 32.06 31.36 36.94 36.33 31.57 35.46
Polk 53.94 47.68 53.06 49.57 46.12 59.83
Taylor 35.81 31.46 35.78 37.67 32.06 33.78
Fillmore 33.38 28.60 33.52 34.14 28.83 33.00
Pierce 27.00 23.27 27.14 25.81 23.50 27.55
Buchanan 14.50 16.33 18.34 17.57 16.24 17.70
Lincoln 94.31 94.73 91.48 91.29 93.60 95.40
A. Johnson 23.88 20.00 24.39 28.57 20.36 21.61
Grant 49.44 62.96 59.02 54.48 61.01 62.61
Hayes 41.56 39.69 43.92 41.38 39.79 44.35
Garfield 36.56 39.81 44.41 35.62 40.07 45.68
Arthur 41.63 38.22 41.96 39.57 37.40 45.60
Cleveland 50.44 46.38 51.10 50.19 45.17 54.95
B. Harrison 41.06 39.65 42.76 40.95 38.62 45.88
McKinley 58.75 48.09 55.32 54.48 47.55 59.50
T. Roosevelt 81.31 79.83 74.20 77.67 78.17 79.04
Taft 57.19 49.34 53.76 54.14 48.25 58.37
Wilson 64.00 61.80 60.06 63.43 60.08 64.47
Harding 32.63 26.13 29.08 34.10 25.58 29.71
Coolidge 53.88 35.87 42.12 47.95 34.23 48.64
Hoover 39.94 30.24 39.79 42.57 29.77 40.65
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FDR 86.75 93.13 86.61 87.00 91.39 90.69
Truman 77.13 76.29 72.26 76.38 73.85 78.47
Eisenhower 75.38 73.42 73.94 77.95 71.45 78.05
Kennedy 63.88 69.61 66.48 65.48 68.08 69.84
LB Johnson 68.19 75.33 68.53 65.19 74.10 72.65
Nixon 50.81 33.09 38.35 47.29 32.46 40.78
Ford 56.19 43.42 48.81 52.29 43.73 49.47
Carter 50.19 56.12 51.41 54.86 55.35 51.07
Reagan 80.56 58.64 62.65 79.14 55.85 69.17
GHW Bush 66.44 56.50 60.40 67.71 54.98 63.61
Clinton 67.88 67.13 64.13 66.81 65.54 68.17
GW Bush 58.44 36.62 43.24 56.38 34.67 48.36
Obama 61.56 77.57 68.87 65.00 76.23 70.96
Trump 31.38 6.66 13.96 26.76 6.97 14.21
Biden 47.69 66.88 57.00 45.52 65.44 62.04
Note: Conservative column includes those who self-identified as either Conservative or Somewhat
Conservative. Liberal column includes those who self-identified as either Liberal or Somewhat
Liberal.
The Next President on Mt. Rushmore
When it comes to which president should join Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln,
and Teddy Roosevelt on Mt. Rushmore, Franklin Delano Roosevelt again comes in first, by a wide
margin (65.4%). Barack Obama came in second (11%), followed by a three-way tie between
Dwight Eisenhower, James Madison, and John F. Kennedy (4% each)
The Most and Least Polarizing Presidents
In the current polarized political climate, we thought it would again be interesting to ask
which presidents were considered by presidency experts to be the most polarizing. To do so, we
asked respondents to identify up to five individual presidents they believed were the most
polarizing, and then rank order them with the first president being the most polarizing, the second
as next most polarizing, and so on. We then calculated how many times a president was identified
as well as their average ranking. We then repeated the same process but asked which presidents
were the least polarizing. The results of these questions can be seen in the tables below.
Donald Trump is by far the most polarizing of the ranked presidents, selected by 170
respondents and earning a 1.64 average (1 is a “most polarizing” ranking). Andrew Jackson is
second-most polarizing (74, 3.4), followed by Obama (69, 3.4), and Reagan (66, 3.6). Conversely,
George Washington is clearly the least polarizing president, selected by 125 respondents and
earning a 1.25 average (1 is a “least polarizing” ranking). Washington is followed by Eisenhower
(91, 2.7), Lincoln (60, 1.8), and Truman (45, 3.5).
Table 4: Most Polarizing Presidents
Name # of times identified Average Polarization Rank
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Trump 170 1.4
Jackson 74 3.4
Obama 69 3.5
Reagan 66 3.6
Nixon 55 3.5
GW Bush 55 3.6
A Johnson 39 3.1
Biden 36 3.6
Lincoln 33 3.6
FD Roosevelt 31 4.5
LB Johnson 24 4.8
Clinton 24 4.9
Wilson 21 4
Table 5: Least Polarizing Presidents
Name # of times identified Average Polarization Rank
Washington 125 1.5
Eisenhower 91 2.7
Lincoln 60 1.8
Truman 45 3.5
FD Roosevelt 28 2.9
Kennedy 28 3.6
Monroe 27 3.1
Ford 26 3.3
T Roosevelt 24 3.4
Harrison 22 3.2
Carter 19 3.6
The Most Under-Rated and Over-Rated Presidents
Often, a president’s reputation does not fully match their performance. For myriad reasons,
popular assessments of some presidents are rosier than their actual record merits, while other
presidents deserve more positive assessments than they currently enjoy. We approached capturing
scholarly assessments of these reputational mismatches by asking respondents to identify up to five
individual presidents they believed were the most under-rated, and then rank order them with the
first president being the most under-rated, the second as next most under-rated, and so on. We then
calculated how many times a president was identified as well as their average ranking. We then
repeated the same process but asked which presidents were the most over-rated. The results of these
question can be seen in the tables below.
Unlike our questions about polarization, there isn’t as much consensus on underrated
presidents. Jimmy Carter is the most under-rated president, selected by 64 respondents and earning
a 2.2 average (1 is a “most under-rated” ranking). Ulysses Grant is the second-most under-rated
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(56, 2.4 ), followed by George H.W. Bush (47, 2.9), Eisenhower (45, 2.8), Lyndon Johnson (43
( 2.3 ), and Biden (42, 2.9). Conversely, John F. Kennedy is considered the most over-rated
president, selected by 84 respondents and earning a 2.4 average (1 is a “most over-rated” ranking),
followed very closely by Ronald Reagan (83, 2.1 ), then Jackson (70, 2.3 ), Wilson (60, 2.9),
Jefferson (37, 3.3), and Teddy Roosevelt (40, 2.5).
Table 6: Most Under-Rated Presidents
Name # of times identified Average Most Under-Rated Rank
Carter 64 2.2
Grant 56 2.4
GHW Bush 47 2.9
Eisenhower 45 2.8
LB Johnson 43 2.3
Biden 42 2.9
Truman 34 2.7
Polk 24 3.7
J Adams 24 3.1
Ford 21 2.7
JQ Adams 21 3.5
Obama 20 2.8
Nixon 19 2.8
Taft 19 3.4
Table 7: Most Over-Rated Presidents
Name # of times identified Average Most Over-Rated Rank
Kennedy 84 2.4
Reagan 83 2.1
Jackson 70 2.3
Wilson 60 2.9
Jefferson 40 2.5
T Roosevelt 37 3.3
Obama 27 3.3
Trump 27 2.7
Washington 20 1.8
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The Most Difficult to Assess Presidents
Some presidents are more difficult than others to assess on, even for academic experts,
whether because of a dearth of evidence, a lack of scholarly examination, or complexity. We
approached capturing scholarly assessments of which presidents were most difficult to assess by
asking respondents to identify up to five individual presidents they believed were the most difficult
to assess, and then rank order them with the first president being the most difficult to assess, the
second as next most difficult, and so on. We then calculated how many times a president was
identified as well as their average ranking. The results of this question can be seen in the tables
below.
William Henry Harrison is the president our respondents considered most difficult to assess,
selected by 92 respondents and earning a 2.1 average (1 is a “most difficult to assess” ranking). The
fact that Harrison only served in office for a month makes a robust assessment of his presidential
greatness elusive. Other presidents who were viewed as difficult to assess include James Garfield
(53, 3.5), Millard Fillmore (45, 3.8), Zachary Taylor (42, 3.4), Joe Biden (36, 3.1 ), and John Tyler
(35, 3.3).
Table 6: Difficult to Assess Presidents
Name # of times identified Average Most Difficult to Assess
Rank
Harrison 92 2.1
Garfield 53 3.5
Fillmore 45 3.8
Taylor 42 3.4
Biden 36 3.1
Tyler 35 3.3
LB Johnson 31 2.6
Arthur 30 5.3
Jackson 27 2.7
Pierce 27 5.4
Ford 23 3.6
Nixon 22 2.9
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Missing Data
There is variation in whether respondents answer each question or not. In Table 7 we
include details about the number of missing observations missing a response, unique values, and the
minimum and maximum value. Most respondents completed the full rating across presidents but
responses for some presidents (Harrison, Tyler, Polk, Arthur) had more missing observations than
later presidents likely due to more information about those presidents.
Table 7: Presidential Greatness Ratings Missing Observations
Name
Observations
Missing Observations
Unique
Values Minimum Maximum
Washington 52 195 30 20 100
Adams 61 186 55 0 100
Jefferson 57 190 49 0 100
Madison 60 187 55 10 100
Monroe 63 184 57 0 99
JQ Adams 68 179 54 9 100
Jackson 66 181 65 0 100
VanBuren 74 173 56 0 85
WH Harrison 81 166 50 0 100
Tyler 75 172 52 0 82
Polk 73 174 64 0 91
Taylor 75 172 53 0 90
Fillmore 75 172 48 0 73
Pierce 77 170 47 0 64
Buchanan 77 170 43 0 64
Lincoln 54 193 29 10 100
A. Johnson 71 176 49 0 81
Grant 67 180 56 8 97
Hayes 78 169 62 0 81
Garfield 80 167 61 0 99
Arthur 79 168 56 0 83
Cleveland 75 172 58 0 87
B. Harrison 78 169 54 0 83
McKinley 74 173 60 0 90
T. Roosevelt 58 189 47 7 100
Taft 72 175 61 0 100
Wilson 61 186 63 8 100
Harding 73 174 54 0 84
Coolidge 69 178 59 0 92
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Hoover 65 182 58 0 87
FDR 54 193 31 28 100
Truman 60 187 49 7 100
Eisenhower 59 188 51 7 100
Kennedy 57 190 53 18 100
LB Johnson 53 194 52 9 100
Nixon 58 189 62 0 100
Ford 59 188 61 0 90
Carter 54 193 61 0 100
Reagan 54 193 63 0 100
GHW Bush 53 194 63 0 100
Clinton 54 193 49 10 100
GW Bush 57 190 60 0 100
Obama 53 194 47 20 100
Trump 66 181 38 0 100
Biden 53 194 56 9 95
Note: Data accessed using mi function in Stata 17.
Grandeza-Presidencial-2024.pdf (poder360.com.br)
does that look like people magazine to you ?
Still trying I see. You may want to find something a bit more neutral instead of leftist bias if you really want to be taken seriously.
The material clearly states that historians self-identified as Republican Democrat, independent, moderate, conservative and liberal took part in the survey.
Trump 41 45 45 43 45 45
see the 43 there ? That is the ranking the conservative historians gave Trump. 43rd out of 45.
Independents ranked him 45th (last) and moderates ranked him 45th.
One more time - You may want to find something a bit more neutral instead of leftist bias if you really want to be taken seriously.
If only these historians got to decide the 2024 election.
That is as funny as claiming that the piece of crap that shot trump is a conservative republican because he said so on a voter registration form.
Yes, as I said, its embarrassment to the country that people take clickbait like this seriously. It’s just progressives being progressives and saying whatever helps them in the moment.
Anyone who believes Biden is the 14th best President is either mentally damaged or has a financial stake in the Biden presidency.
It's the most self defeating argument possible. They might as well have called him the best ever if they were going to not even bother with trying to look credible.
20 years after Biden's out of office, he'll be considered a bottom 10 President even by Progressives.
The dude shot Trump. That pretty much says it all.
The reaction from the left is even more telling.
But sadly unsurprising.
You, the collective. would not value it if it was from the government (.gov). "You" know unless its conservative-minded its 'weaponization.'
Told you: If it ain't conservative - it's weaponization.
This is a gross waste of time. People are deep in their silos.
WTF are you talking about? Nothing in my comment references any web sites?
Sure George, it's "weaponization" of the 20 years old voter registration form. /s
You dind't tell me shit.
Your words. Not mine. Quit making shit up.
Then come out and join reality.
[✘] If you want you can have the last word. I'm done wasting time on it.
Again - WTF are you talking about? Nothing in my comment references any web sites?
Vic, please supply us a link to Senator Harris CO-SPONSORING with Senator Sanders a Medicare for All bill. I have trouble looking it up!
Thank you for asking. You are the only one who took the time to fact check me.
Here you are:
California Senator and 2020 presidential candidate Kamala Harris is backing away from Medicare for All, just two years after she co-sponsored the bill in the Senate. Speaking at a Hamptons fundraiser to corporate executives and one-percenters, Harris explained that she has "not been comfortable" with the healthcare plan written by her 2020 competitor Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.
Kamala Harris No Longer Supports Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All Plan - Newsweek
Thank you. Actually, I kept searching for data and found it: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1804/cosponsors?r=1&s=3&q={"search"%3A"medicare+for+all"%2C"cosponsor-state"%3A"California"}
Also, I found that since that she has changed her opinion of it. I just wanted to check the details on both accounts: Her Support and Lesser support of Medicare for All.