A Command Performance
Yesterday I told someone that if the debate was fair, J D Vance would win. Well, the moderators were blatantly obnoxious, and Vance won anyway. Vance was confident, articulate and well prepared. Most importantly, he won on substance. He fact checked the fact checkers and refered to the current administration as the Harris administration all night long. Even on the democrat issue of abortion, Vance won. Vance knew the details of the abortion law that Walz signed in Minnesota. Walz kept pretending it didn’t make abortions legal throughout pregnancy, which it did.
The night began with the moderators claiming that there would be no fact checking and that each candidate would have time allotted for rebuttal. In truth the moderators tried to fact check Vance and when it was time for his rebuttal, they would insert a pointed question. The first issue was foreign policy, which Vance was very successful in making the comparison between the Trump years and the Biden/Harris years.
On immigration, Vance laid it right on Harris calling her what the media initially called her - "the border czar." Vance effectively prosecuted the Biden-Harris administration for abandoning successful Trump border policies, and Walz had no answer.
On the economy, Vance reminded people of the prosperity of the Trump years, while Walz’s response to that was to attribute the economic collapse of 2020 to Trump’s mishandling of Covid: an argument that the American people have never bought, even when the dishonest media tried so hard to sell it.
Walz big flub of the night was when he stumbled on the lie he told about being in China during the Tiananmen Square protests. The moderators in a rare moment of decency held him accountable.
With all the issues that needed to be talked about such as the looming ILA strike and the storm that ripped through the southeastern part of the country and Ukraine, the last topic was the one progressives wanted CBS to bring up - Trump not accepting the results of the 2020 election. Even though Vance glossed over the question of whether Trump lost (to the delight of the Trump hating left,) it can truly be said that Vance made a better case for Trump than Trump ever made for himself.
Therefore:
Vance gets an A+
Walz gets a D
CBS mods get an F
In other news:
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A dockworkers’ strike is now in effect and some of the busiest ports on the east coast are shut down. Joe Biden refuses to enact the Taft-Hartley Act and go against the union he is always pandering to, leaving the Kamala Harris campaign in an awkward position.
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Appeals court judges shine light on Tish James’ monstrously stretched case against Trump (nypost.com)
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Good morning.
Mexico’s first female president, (with Socialist leanings) Claudia Sheinbaum, took office yesterday.
Claudia Sheinbaum Luis Antonio Rojas for The New York Times
I wonder how she might get along with President Trump.
Considering some of Trump's recent comments about who might be responsible if he loses, I don't think it would be particularly friendly.
It would be very straight forward. Trump would simply tell her to reinstate the Remain-in-Mexico policy or forfeit trade with the US.
Her answer most likely be "Yes sir, immediately."
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It could lose America a lot of friendly relationships around the world, and contrary to common belief, there really ARE a lot of other nations on this planet. As well, I don't know what the WTO would do about it, or what the trade agreement that replaced NAFTA might say about it, and it might be a hard thing for Trump to realize, but America isn't the only nation in the world.
Mexico was the United States’ largest trade partner in the first nine months of 2023, with two-way trade totaling $599.79 billion, according to U.S. government data. Mexico had a 15.5% share of the export market to the U.S., ahead of Canada and China, which both had a 13.7% share in the first nine months of 2023.
Mexico in Numbers: 30 years of trade and investment growth (mexiconewsdaily.com)
And last time that is how he got the previous Mexican leader to go along with the Remain-in-Mexico policy.
Threatening and bullying - something to be proud of. Well, as Bob Dylan wrote and sang. "The times they are a'changing".
On the other hand Mexico is our second largest export market. The “threat” would come right back at us. As a side note China is increasing its trade with Mexico and also its physical presence in Mexico. they would be more than happy to see that threat carried out by the US.
Yes, they are a changing!
Again, it worked last time. It will work again. The most important thing to Mexico is trade.
It isn't being used now, and you might want to check out why. As the world's second-largest exporter and largest importer, trade is vitally important to us.
But keep on waving the flag.
We know why. Biden wanted an open border.
LMAO swoosh.
I knew that but I didn't want to say it. If the USA blocks trade with Mexico, China would be only too happy to take its place, and it would rescue Mexico from such a tyrannical move by Trump, who would have made America shoot itself in the foot.
I don't know where you got that from, but that won't help you win this election.
BTW: It was a great night!
it was for the audience of 1 he was playing to ...
Got what from?
The truth and facts.
Reality.
a command performance. heh, more like the performance commanded ...
former 'president'
They trampled over their own rules to take down Vance.
It is about time that Republicans stop doing debates on leftwing media outlets.
So it was unfair. How unexpected that you would believe that.
Yup, they should have let him lie his ass off like he expected them to do. He was surprised as shit when his lies were called out.
They said they weren't going to fact check. Did they not?
Calling out a lie isn't fact checking.
Either they should fact check both candidates for any stretching of the truth/lying (in which case the debate would be 5 hours long) or they should not fact check at all. Anything else and they will get justified complaints of bias.
It wasn't a lie. Those Haitian immigrants got legal status via a magic wand. Did you listen to Vance tell everybody how they got legal status?
I don't care. I'd rather know when they are lying or not. Doesn't the truth matter to you Vic?
Nit pick much?
But they should fact check both candidates for obvious, undisputed, lies.
But even the fact checks have been wrong. Doesn't the truth matter to you Ozzwald?
Who decides that?
And you trust the moderators to tell you that?
Yes, it was a lie. There was no magic wand. They are here on TPS and legal.
Doesn't the truth matter to you?
Only wrong in right wing land.
Do you know what the words "obvious" and "undisputed" mean?
More so than the ones uttering the lies. Moderators at least have their news agencies to back them up and show what the lies are and why they're lies.
So if a news agency like fox says Waltz lied about something it must be fact.
That leaves nothing.
So your outrage is that they fact checked him and not that he fucking lied? Wow.
Here's a neat trick; don't lie and fact checking isn't a problem. See how easy that is?
If you're not going to read what I write, then why do you keep responding?
Moderators at least have their news agencies to back them up and show what the lies are and why they're lies. This means that the reader can investigate for themselves and view why the moderators are making the assumption that it is a lie. Unfortunately right wingers have shown an extreme ability to ignore all facts and just believe only their candidate despite everyone else saying otherwise (i.e. "The Big Lie").
Meanwhile Donald Trump was at ground zero in Georgia.
"As you know, our country is in the final weeks of a hard-fought national election. But in a time like this, when a crisis hits, when our fellow citizens cry out in need, none of that matters. We're not talking about politics now. We have to all get together and get this solved. We need a lot of help. They have to have a lot of help down here," Trump said of the Georgia community hit by the hurricane.
Trump, in Georgia, attacks Biden, Harris on Helene response, Biden says he's 'lying' (msn.com)
Kamala Harris just heard about Trump meeting with survivors in Georgia.
She is about to leave her fundraising galas on the west coast and get on a plane heading east.
Yet you are talking politics.
The rest is SO profound.
So other than this little bit that you chose from this 'campaign' event - what else did it say that didn't involve politics? Probably everything else because you only chose this single paragraph when he probably ranted and rambled for an hour,
Yes, I did, and I contrasted it to Kamala Harris doing fundraising events on the west coast. That in itself is funny. She has far more donations than Trump. She did get the message. She left the elite donor class to head out to where the devastation is.
What is funny is how different the media treats all this from the way they treated Hurricane Katrina.
UPDATE:
After returning from her glitzy fundraisers in San Francisco, Kamala Harris showed up to the FEMA headquarters, spent less than five minutes reading off a script about hurricane relief, and then bolted before the press could ask her questions.
V ice President Kamala Harris addressed the nation at FEMA headquarters on Monday regarding Hurricane Helene’s devastation across the East Coast.
“I am here mostly to thank you all for all that you do,” she told a full room of workers.
Kamala Harris Addresses Hurricane Helene at FEMA Headquarters (msn.com)
Why was he there other than for a 'campaign' event?
While he tells California to burn in hell before they would get any assistance from the scumbag, because they were mean to him.
He cares about Americans.
While he tells California to burn in hell before they would get any assistance from the scumbag, because they were mean to him.
Can you enlighten us as to what he said?
'He cares about Americans'
No, he cares about himself (and staying out of prison) and no one else. What exactly did it do there?
I beg to differ.
That is why so many working-class Americans love Donald Trump.
They've been fooled by a conman. They're fools if they believe he cares about them. Anyone who thinks he cares about them is a fool.
Link?
He served as President for 4 years. We want all of that back.
No. That was four years of a criminal enterprise of an 'administration'. That's what the cult of the maga want but the sane and decent folks have had enough. The life long thug has been 'campaigning' for four years now to stay out of prison for the remainder of his life.
You mean like selling influence to China and Ukraine and having the DOJ protect it?
Yes. Along with Russia, Hungry, North Korea and anyone else that Trump thought might help him look cool.
https://www.vox.com/2020/10/17/21520570/trump-california-wildfires-disaster-reliefnid
Did trump hand out paper towels again?
Vance was really good. Anytime you can win a three on one debate and make it look effortless, it’s a performance worth commending. But there is no point in republicans participating in msm debates if the moderators aren’t even going to pretend to be neutral. As mark halperin, wrote:
And unfortunately, democrats can't even admit to the bias. They tend to ignore it and talk about their own expertise.
It reminds me of someone I knew who professed to be an expert on sausage grilling. The funny part is that he kept burning himself every time he got close to a grill.
The bias. lol.
The Projection
Did you watch the debate?
Total nonsense. Trump said TWO MINUTES into the debate that the moderators were biased, and the MAGA followed his lead like puppy dogs. The CBS ladies did Trump and Vance a huge favor with many of their questions, but MAGA and Trump start all their days , and end them too, by whining about media bias.
The only media bias in this election is the inexplicable bias the media shows towards normalizing Trump and Vance.
Imagine if Harris or Biden or Walz said, in the middle of a presidential campaign , that US combat injuries were "headaches", - it would be a lead story in the papers. Because Trump is beneath contempt on issues like this the media simply does not know how to handle it.
Maybe you can provide us with the medical reports
And you went on and never disproved him. Wonder why.
I have no idea what you are talking about, as usual.
If you watched the debate and couldn't see how the moderators stacked the deck for walz, there's really not much that can be said. Some people will deny water is wet.
Like many other things you've proclaimed, you neglected to back up your claim. In this case you deflected to your favorite person (which is actually expected from those like yourself) then go on about it not being biased. At no time backing up your claim that is wasn't biased.
Save your meaningless bla bla bla for someone else.
Then back up your claim. It's really that simple.
... and some spend their time trying to drill holes in it.
I watched the debate, and I thought Vance was good at only two things, deflection and deception. While he wasn't as antagonistic as his master the Mango Mussolini would have been, his answers were so twisted and his logic was so circular it's no wonder that most Americans had a very different view of his performance than his boot licking faithful. Anyone with more than half a brain could see through his non-answers and conspiracy theory filled attacks. But I will give him credit for being much more civil.
Vance said he agreed with Walz numerous times, while then immediately pivoting and claiming Walz and Harris would be the death of democracy. Essentially the argument was, because Walz misspoke about being there in China 30+ years ago, and because Facebook, a privately owned company, chose to censor some accounts because they were spreading dangerous lies and misinformation, Harris and Walz are a monumental threat to Democracy but Donald Trump who incited a failed insurrection is the defender of democracy because 14 days after his failed coup he begrudgingly left the white house. Oh, and he's also apparently now the chief defender and protector of the Affordable Care Act even though he fought as hard as he could to kill it when he was President. Vance's attempt to flip the script on that was laughable and anyone with any sense could see right through his hollow words.
I think the majority of Americans saw Walz win that debate and only the Trump sycophants are imaging Vance did better.
Hmm...
I have to laugh. That question implies an egotistical attitude that America owns or controls the world.
President Truman kind of set it up that way.
Hopefully American military dominance will last a bit longer.
Biden screwed that up and I don't see it getting any better under Harris.
Oh, did he ever. The military is forced to lower recruitment goals as the number of those willing to serve has shrunk under Biden. In the middle east the Navy is under restraint only taking defensive actions.
Harris read written statements yesterday on the middle east. It sounded like she didn't even understand what she was reading.
The US Military training has shifted from a "Train as you fight" concept to "Don't offend the special group of the day".
It's really nothing new under Democrats. Last one stopped our night operations because the Taliban were crying that they were getting their asses handed to them. So with the limits on night operations it allowed the Taliban to get their IEDs in place all over the country.
We already know she didn't understand what she was reading or why she was reading them.
Comedy Central.
Tim Walz: "We have more refugees per capita than any other state. That's not just morally a good thing, it's our economic and cultural future. "This beautiful diversity we see out in Worthington when I’m there, you see 50 languages spoken in the school."
Question of the day:
Of the two candidates on stage and the two leftwing mods, who has the highest IQ?
Here is a clue:
How does that help the Citizens and Taxpayers?
More refugees, Is that what he wants to do to America?
and he thinks that is something good?
It doesn't.
Evidently the refugees are the best of people and anyone who comes here claiming to be a refugee should be taken in and provided with benefits.
The various languages may be an obstacle for those kids, but diversity is what counts /s.
'Do to America?'
So how is diversity a bad thing? How many languages do YOU know?
Who does the thumbs up anymore except this racist scumbag and his would be boss? It looks retarded.
Doesn't everyone?
If diversity would improve the product it is added to and not cause overcrowding it might not drag down the existing conditions. What is happing is like adding mud to cement or grass clippings to beef stew and wondering why it is not as good
Comparing human beings to mud and compost is to dehumanize them.
Some think US Citizens and taxpayers should be glad to pay the costs and happy to be crowded by people not wanted by other countries
Do you think the illegals care about American Citizens?
Fantastic job making 'others' out to be bad without providing any evidence to back up any claim other than an emotionally charged leading question. Broad sweeping generalizations like this are part of that effort to dehumanize whole groups of people.
We can discuss the merits of our immigration system without debasing ourselves and making anyone out to be monsters. It's a little more difficult and requires a little more work in the conversation.
How much are you willing to pay and what will you give up to for these whole groups of people?
Why do you keep asking me questions that have nothing to do with my point?
One of the largest groups is the Hmong of Laos, this is why.
I'm sure once Donaldo hears of it the number will mushroom with the addition several zeros and his fans will chug it down.
Yeah, some folks here like to call them feral cats, our fellow human beings. Haiti is a real hellhole/shithole now, let's send them back where they came from.
lol - 50, 100, 1000 - who knows how many?
Not wanted by other countries?
What the actual fuck???????????????????????????
Yeah, fuck them right?
Name a country that does and that being the case, why are they here and not there? Nonsense
Such an ignorant and deplorable comment regarding your fellow human beings.
What are you willing to give and how much will you pay for your fellow human beings?
It's obvious you're not willing to 'give up or pay for' anything for a bunch of feral cats.
Just exactly what is it that we are giving up and paying for?
What are you willing to deny your fellow human beings that is within our collective powers to help provide for them? Shelter? Food? Water? Clothing? Medical care? Their human dignity?
There are plenty of Americans that need help, how about we fucking start with them? Smdh.
that is right
Why do you just keep repeating that stupid meaningless talking point?
Thanks for finally admitting outright to your [deleted][✘]
Tax money and space, opportunity for US Citizens and their children, personal safety, having less crime, lowering of standards of what is acceptable are somethings
It is not meaningless
Those who like foreigners coming here won't answer
Question was, what country WANTS them...........not where else are they going.
Yeah, it is, meaningless.
Foreigners, you mean our fellow human beings.
I'm not the one spouting ignorance and nonsense.
I am much more concerned about US Citizens and taxpayers,
They're not taking any of those things away from us.
lowering of standards of what is acceptable? WOW
another deplorable and agnorant comment
Why would any country want them?
meaningless
WOW
Especially since there but by grace go us all. The fact is we and our families could be forced to flee our home. Nevermind that pretty much all our people came here escaping oppression...
What does that have to do with my comment...................
"Name a country that does and that being the case, why are they here and not there? Nonsense"
US Citizenship is meaningless?
For many so called progressive politicians and followers the answer is obviously yes.
The majority of Asians who have immigrated to and/or were refugees into the US have integrated fairly easily and have contributed greatly to American society.
Other groups....not so much.
English, the language they thought was important enough for me to take for 12 years in school and 3 classes in college
Yes, there are impressive people everywhere.
The grill is very hot.
All of those things I am either paying for or paying taxes for.
6.1.26 The answer is there if you take time to read it.
Yes, there are impressive people everywhere, especially among our new immigrants.
Legal or illegal?
Breaking:
PHOENIX (AP) — The number of voters in the battleground state of Arizona classified as having full access to the ballot without confirmation they are citizens has more than doubled to 218,000, Secretary of State Adrian Fontes said.
That number represents 5.3% of all registered voters. While the error won’t change who is eligible to vote for president or Congress, that amount of voters could sway tight local and state races, and hotly contested ballot measures on abortion and immigration .
Number of voters with unconfirmed citizenship documents more than doubles in battleground Arizona | AP News
The democrats have been an enabler of Iran and its proxies and hostile to Israel for some time now.
This policy has led Iran into supporting and funding Hamas and Hezbollah and encouraged their attacks on Israel.
Meanwhile over at the MAHA party, no one hot showed up.
daily mail = daily fail
The highlight of the debate (at least for me) was when Vance's past remarks against Trump were regurgitated as a gottcha question. J.D. Vance shut that crap down with three words.
"I was wrong."
There wasn't anything else to say. Vance filled the remaining minute and 58 seconds explaining that he had been on the interview circuit explaining why he was wrong. Vance gave good reasons for supporting Trump. George H. W. Bush couldn't have handled that question better than did J.D. Vance.
Throughout the debate J.D. Vance demonstrated why he belongs on the stage. Seemed rather obvious that Vance wasn't chosen to avoid upstaging Trump.
Morally and ethically the correct thing to say.
Something you will never hear a leftist politician state.....no matter how wrong they are.
Tim Walz certainly did the pretzel polka avoiding his past assertions about witnessing the Tiananmen Square protests. After a two minute response and two minute follow up, Walz was finally forced to admit he 'misspoke'.
Except Walz never said he witnessed the massacre. He said he was in Hong Kong, which is an island, multiple times that Summer during the protests. The massacre took place 1,000 miles away in Beijing!
But he wasn't. He was in Nebraska
Seriously, who gives a shit? Trump tells worse "lies" than that 10 times every day. If MAGA werent desperate to pretend that some Democrat lies as much as Trump does , therefore vote for Trump everybody, this nonsense about Walz "lying" about when he was in Hong Kong 35 years ago wouldnt be being discussed by ANYBODY.
This is insane. And our weak kneed media plays into this insanity.
Maybe Walz confused Hong Kong with the China Cafe in Valentine, NE. It's on Hwy 20, west of downtown.
So, why did Walz spend 4 minutes doing the pretzel polka trying to avoid the question? Why should the media cover for Walz?
A simple "i was wrong" would have sufficed.
‘Seriously, who gives a shit?’
Just couldn’t help it
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He was back and forth between Hong Kong and the States during the Summer Of Freedom Protests across China and in its provinces that culminated in the massacre in Beijing...
It is okay. Harris - Walz is still going to whoop Trump - Vance!
No he wasn't. I know he lies he alot and it's hard to keep up, but that's not true either. Instead of trusting anything Walz says about himself, you have to go to the primary sources. In the lead up to the Massacre he was in Nebraska preparing to move to Alliance. He didn't travel to Asia until months after the massacre.
Who gives a shit? People who are obsessed with this are running interference for Trump.
it's usually pretty amusing when trump supporters provide instructions on determining fact from fiction.