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Nine will decide

  

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By:  vic-eldred  •  2 months ago  •  112 comments

Nine will decide
"Some of the challenges could have and should have been brought a long time ago. Those the court won't entertain," said Alan Morrison, an associate dean at George Washington Law School.


By the end of the week the SCOTUS could find itself having to quickly decide multiple election questions from PA, North Carolina, Mississippi and Nevada. L
awsuits brought by both parties. The election of 2020 was marked by democrat attorney Marc Elias getting state election laws altered via judge shopping. Thus far the Supreme Court has tried to stay out of the election. The Court also has a policy of trying to avoid changing election rules too close to an election. The Court has shown far more integrity when it comes to avoiding election interference, yet there are cases that couldn't have been resolved sooner or where lower-court rulings could have dramatic consequences. 

The leading case involves the DOJ suing the state of Virginia which simply wants to keep illegal migrants from voting. The DOJ has cited the terrible National Voter Registration Act. A provision of that law, known as the Quiet Period Provision, requires states to complete programs that systematically remove ineligible voters from registration lists by 90 days before the election. The Act passed in 1993 makes voting easily manipulated by fraud. Both Alabama and Virginia are involved, and 26 state AGs have now come forward to support Virginia in the appeal.

A Mississippi law passed in 2020, election officials count mail ballots that are received up to five business days after Election Day, so long as they are postmarked on or before Election Day. The Mississippi Republican Party, the Republican National Committee, and two Mississippi voters sued the state and county election officials in January, arguing this practice violates a federal law establishing a uniform, nationwide Election Day by extending the election into the following week. the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit struck down the Mississippi law this past Friday.

The Pennsylvania Republican Party and the Republican National Committee sued all 67 county boards of elections and the secretary of state to challenge Pennsylvania's notice-and-cure policy, under which voters who cast ballots by mail are notified about and given a chance to fix technical errors with their ballots. The democrat party is fighting back tooth & nail.

In Michigan Republicans claimed the state does not have accurate voter rolls and argued that failing to comply with voter-list maintenance obligations required by federal law threatened to undermine the integrity of the election by increasing the chance for allegedly ineligible voters to cast ballots.

With District Courts leaning in different directions on all of these issues, the SCOTUS may have to take up cases.


In the news:

Ukraine is bracing for North Korean troops fighting alongside Russian forces. Thousands of North Korean soldiers are now in Russia’s west. Volodymyr Zelensky has been pushing Western leaders to support a plan that he says could end the war next year.

The Israeli Parliament passed laws that could limit some of the work of the UN's UNRWA, the main U.N. agency that aids Palestinians, as questions have begun to arise about what it is involved in.

Steve Bannon, the strategist who helped elect Trump in 2016, was released from prison this morning. He was one of the very few people to ever be prosecuted for ignoring a congressional subpoena. “I’m not broken, I’m empowered,” he said.

In Brazil, criminals are increasingly using chemicals rather than saws for deforestation. More than a third of the world’s trees are at risk of extinction certain scientists claim. 

The Trump campaign denounced a warmup-comedian's offensive jokes in record time the other day. Many Republicans also denounced the remarks.

CBS still refuses to release the full text of the 60 Minutes interview of Kamala Harris.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Good morning

The Nevada Supreme Court ruled that ballots arriving 3 days after the Election will be counted.

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That ruling may also be challenged.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

how does this change the end result?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.1    2 months ago

In a razor thin race?

It may.

In a blowout?

It only establishes some clear election rules for the future.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

Now the democrats will know how many ballots to create after Election Day. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2    2 months ago

I think you need to loosen your tinfoil hat.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2    2 months ago

When people watch leads disappear when such things are allowed, who can blame them from questioning the election.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.2.3  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    2 months ago

i can

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.2.3    2 months ago

Any predictions?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.2.5  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.4    2 months ago

Trump will lose

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.1    2 months ago

Nevada election Statute requires a post mark.

Nevada Supreme Court:  That means no postmark required.

Whatever makes it easier to cheat.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.6    2 months ago

We’re talking about a minuscule number of ballots inadvertently missing their postmark.  In your opinion it’s more important to strip voting rights from a handful of innocent people than to assume the obvious and count the votes that will have a negligible impact on the outcome.

The ruling noted that plaintiffs identified just 24 ballots among more than 383,000 cast statewide in the June primaries in Nevada as having no postmark, and attributed postmark errors to "random postal service omissions.” Two-thirds of ballots cast in Nevada primaries arrived by mail, according to Secretary of State records .

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.7    2 months ago

Following elections  laws is election integrity.  If judges  can just ignore democratically passed laws  on a whim, you have no rules. 

If the number of votes is meaningless, why set the precedent that running  roughshod over the rule of law is fine and dandy?  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.9  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.8    2 months ago

In the cited example, the percentage of ballots missing a postmark was 0.006266%.  In addition to being much ado about nothing, the money spent on litigating it unfathomably wasteful.  The micron of juice is not worth the squeeze.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    2 months ago
When people watch leads disappear when such things are allowed, who can blame them from questioning the election.

People with more than half a brain who know that it's perfectly legal to vote by mail and many of those ballots that are sent in and date stamped on time get counted after election day. There is nothing sinister or illegal or fraudulent and most rational persons know this, only irrational conspiracy theorists create fiction and bullshit narratives to explain things their tiny, uninformed or deluded brains can't grasp.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.2.11  evilone  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.10    2 months ago
People with more than half a brain who know that it's perfectly legal to vote by mail and many of those ballots that are sent in and date stamped on time get counted after election day.

People with more than half a brain know this is about shaving a point or two off of razor close districts. The advent of mail in voting is a Republican idea. It only became bad when Trump lost that demographic. MAGA is so bad now that the FBI is investigating multiple drop box arson fires.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @1.2.11    2 months ago

As we see and learn and know over the years - the only way they can win is by cheating and lying or drop box arson fires.  jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
George
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1.3  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

I don't care if they count them a month after the election, as long as they are postmarked by the election, A person's vote shouldn't be dismissed because of the USPS inability to deliver mail in a timely manner.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

Not if Trump wins Nevada.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

How about adding to the "In the News" the burning of the ballot drop boxes in Oregon and Washington?  Could it be because it is well known that those who use them the most are Democrats and those who prefer to vote at polling stations are Republicans?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.5    2 months ago

Remember to wait for the facts to come in.

BTW the FBI is on it!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.5.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.1    2 months ago

I forgot to add STEALING ballot boxes to the dirty tricks that are so obviously DESPERATE crimes to support a convicted criminal.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

MSNBC used Nazi rally clips during its coverage of former President Donald Trump’s historic campaign event at Madison Square Garden in a desperate last-ditch bid to frighten voters into supporting the floundering Democratic ticket.

The left-wing network weaved archival footage from the 1939 Nazi rally into the broadcast of Trump’s Sunday rally, which saw the iconic New York City venue packed to the rafters with jubilant supporters.

“That jamboree happening right now, in that place, is particularly chilling, because in 1939, more than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader – Adolf Hitler – packed the Garden for a so-called ‘pro-America rally,’” Washington Post columnist, MSNBC contributor and avowed Trump hater Jonathan Capehart said breathlessly while rolling the footage.

Tesla founder Elon Musk, who spoke at the rally, also blasted MSNBC — the No. 2 cable news network — as the “scum of the Earth” on X, and some critics even went so far as to accuse the network of “ incitement .”

'Shameful' MSNBC blasted for splicing Nazi rally clips into coverage of Trump's MSG rally

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago
and some critics even went so far as to accuse the network of “ incitement .”

good thing Trump would never incitement anyone

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Igknorantzruls @2.1    2 months ago

No excuses!

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Igknorantzruls @2.1    2 months ago
good thing Trump would never incitement anyone

When has he done that?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @2.1.2    2 months ago
When has he done that?

According to some on the left every time he exhales, or inhales. S/

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago

The media has completely folded to Trump. Back in the day if a campaign event had unleashed the torrent of hate we saw in New York the other day , the media would have been calling far and wide for that candidate to end his campaign.  Imagine if this travesty happened at a Nixon campaign event, he would have been on tv an hour later begging for voters to still consider him.  In our current cesspool the VP candidate Vance wants to know "whats the big deal?" 

To say we have debased the campaigning process, or more specifically Trump has debased the campaigning process is a vast understatement. 

How dare anyone say the media is being unfair to Trump ? They are keeping him afloat by normalizing all this shit. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    2 months ago

Is this what the end of the road looks like for the democrats?

After the Russia hoax, which was concocted by the Clinton campaign, two faux investigations, two faux impeachments, blatant lies & smears, lawfare and the rhetoric which led to two assassination attempts all the Harris campaign has is "he's Hitler."

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    2 months ago
After the Russia hoax, which was concocted by the Clinton campaign, two faux investigations, two faux impeachments, blatant lies & smears, lawfare and the rhetoric which led to two assassination attempts all the Harris campaign has is "he's Hitler."

The dems are trying to normalize this behavior.  Do anything to win.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.2    2 months ago
The dems are trying to normalize this behavior.

Unfortunately, its mission accomplished!

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.2.4  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    2 months ago

Russia hoax, where Trump people were charged and the bkipartisan congressional report found his campaign WAS in close contact with Russia, just didn't have enough evidence to bring against Trump, that hoax ?

What faux investigations ?

What "fake" impeachments ? The Republicans were a bunch of pussies, Trump grabbed them !

Example blatant lies and smears: ?

Lawfare my asz! Following obvious ridiculous amount of evidence !

And "rhetoric"led to assasination attempts ? From th "right' ?

And if he doesn't like the Hitler comparison, why did he bringon Vance as VP running mate, coffee wasn't available >?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    2 months ago

Policy coverage gets subordinated to the polls and what ever disturbing shit Trump said the day before.

Of course the lousy reporting began with keeping the voters in the dark about Biden's condition until it was almost to late for an alternative.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.2.6  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.5    2 months ago
Of course the lousy reporting began with keeping the voters in the dark about Biden's condition until it was almost to late for an alternative.

Really? is that when it began ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    2 months ago
After the Russia hoax, which was concocted by the Clinton campaign, two faux investigations, two faux impeachments, blatant lies & smears, lawfare and the rhetoric which led to two assassination attempts all the Harris campaign has is "he's Hitler."

All disprovable nonsense. 

 
 
 
George
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2.2.8  George  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.5    2 months ago
Of course the lousy reporting began with keeping the voters in the dark about Biden's condition until it was almost to late for an alternative.

Coverage from Woodwords book, Hair on fire trump sent Covid tests to Russia, Not a peep about the fact that 16 months before he dropped out donors were talking about Bidens inability to hold a thought or conversation.  that is the true smoking gun. they knew and hid it. 

Joe Biden struggled to remember basic words or even stand up at campaign fundraisers over a year prior to dropping out of the presidential race, with witnesses describing him as “frighteningly awful and a “senile grandfather” Bob Woodward’s bombshell book “War” reveals.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    2 months ago

The facts didnt change after Jan 6 2021, the Republican Party did.  All those who flat out condemned Trump on Jan 7 came around shortly thereafter to the point where they now bow and scrape before him. 

Donrt get me started on the rank and file.  I said on Newstalkers at this time 8 years ago that eventually Trump supporters would be a much bigger problem in this country than Trump himself.  That was when they were uproaring about how horrible it was for Hillary Clinton to call half of Trump supporters "deplorable".  The only thing she got wrong was the percentage but I doubt she missed by much. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.2.10  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    2 months ago
The media has completely folded to Trump. Back in the day if a campaign event had unleashed the torrent of hate we saw in New York the other day , the media would have been calling far and wide for that candidate to end his campaign.  Imagine if this travesty happened at a Nixon campaign event, he would have been on tv an hour later begging for voters to still consider him.  In our current cesspool the VP candidate Vance wants to know "whats the big deal?" 

No, the media has not folded to Trump.  But, after eight years, there's no way to make new revelations more exciting than the last one.  Even Democrats' exploding heads have become derivative.  Democrats need a new drug.

Kamala Harris is on the stump repeating the news.  Harris ain't revealing insider info or saying anything new.  After eight years of the same drumbeat, Democrats think more of the same will change people's minds?  

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.2.11  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.7    2 months ago
All disprovable nonsense. 

So disprove please

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.2.12  bugsy  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2.10    2 months ago

I understand that she is going to spend the majority of her speech today talking about Trump. Very little, if any, of talk about what she s going to do to improve the country that her and Biden have tried for 4 years to destroy.....mainly because she knows she wants to continue the destruction.  And voters know it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    2 months ago
How dare anyone say the media is being unfair to Trump ?

If you watch MSNBC they stop just short of using pom poms to try and promote Harris.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.7    2 months ago
All disprovable nonsense. 

Nuh uh really doesn't disprove anything

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.15  Right Down the Center  replied to  Nerm_L @2.2.10    2 months ago
But, after eight years, there's no way to make new revelations more exciting than the last one.

They will just rehash the old ones as bombshells.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.16  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @2.2.12    2 months ago
I understand that she is going to spend the majority of her speech today talking about Trump.

Her whole platform has been "Orange man bad".  I am surprised she hasn't had bumper stickers made.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.17  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.16    2 months ago
Her whole platform has been "Orange man bad". 

You really want people to believe that this is all you understand of her message?   That you have filtered out everything else?   

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Right Down the Center
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2.2.18  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.17    2 months ago

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bugsy
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2.2.19  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.18    2 months ago

Kamala (continued) :    "And he and his supporters are nazis.... That's all I have"

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.20  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.18    2 months ago

How pathetic.   Instead of going with what she actually said, you make up nonsense and attribute it to Harris.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.21  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.2.19    2 months ago

see @2.2.20

Pathetic.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.22  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @2.2.19    2 months ago

But she was brought up in a middle class neighborhood.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.2.23  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.22    2 months ago

Don't forget her neighbors had great lawns.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.24  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.20    2 months ago

Yes because calling Trump a fascist and a threat to democracy is so much better

Actually orange man bad encompasses all the hyperbole and exaggerated shit she (and some others) have been saying about him. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.25  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.24    2 months ago
Yes because calling Trump a fascist and a threat to democracy is so much better

Trump's longest standing chief of staff, ★★★★ General Mark Kelly, stated that he believes Trump is a fascist (and definitely an authoritarian).

This is not some partisan talking head gratuitously and recklessly tossing about derogatory labels.   This is a serious individual who worked closely with Trump in office — someone who steers clear of making public political statements — doing something very unusual because (I suspect) he believes it is his duty to inform the electorate before we vote.

Stating an assessment based on strong, direct evidence is quite different from mere name-calling.

But, of course, you deliver a big nuh-uh and dismiss all criticism of Trump as nothing but bullshit.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.26  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.25    2 months ago
This is a serious individual who worked closely with Trump in office

Until he got fired.

dismiss all criticism of Trump

Never said all.  Why make stuff up?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.27  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.26    2 months ago

Of course, the irrational Trump defense yet again.

You think General Kelly, a distinguished ★★★★ Marine Corp General with a long career of dignity and patriotic service is going to just make shit up because his feelings were hurt.

Never said all. 

Correct, I said all.   That was my assessment of your net comments.   And you running to yet again defend Trump in this case is fine evidence that my assessment is spot on.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.29  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.27    2 months ago
Of course, the irrational Trump defense yet again

The obligatory snark

You think General Kelly, a distinguished ★★★★ Marine Corp General with a long career of dignity and patriotic service is going to just make shit up because his feelings were hurt.

Maybe, maybe not.  Anyone that can look at it objectively would be suspicious of the possibility. 

Correct, I said all.   That was my assessment of your net comments.   

That is OK, it would be far from the first assessment you did not have right.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.30  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.29    2 months ago
Anyone that can look at it objectively would be suspicious of the possibility. 

It is possible that Jill Stein will win the presidency.   However, those who objectively consider ALL the relevant facts would conclude that this possibility is so remote as to be deemed false.

Same here with General Kelly.    Just think about what you are proposing:  you are putting the credibility/integrity/honesty of Trump against that of General Kelly.

And you think that is objective reasoning.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.31  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.30    2 months ago
Same here with General Kelly. 

No it is not.  Is is false equivalency though.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.32  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.31    2 months ago

Of course, nuh-uh in lieu of an actual argument.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.33  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.32    2 months ago

A false equivalency requires no argument. Your attempt to divert from the truth is noted though

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.34  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.2.33    2 months ago

Offer something better than bullshit platitudes.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.35  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.17    2 months ago

And 'mean tweets' and 'hurt feelings'

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.36  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.9    2 months ago

Hillary was right about everything which is why the 'right' hates her.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.37  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.34    2 months ago

Offer something other than bullshit false equivalency.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago
“That jamboree happening right now, in that place, is particularly chilling, because in 1939, more than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader – Adolf Hitler – packed the Garden for a so-called ‘pro-America rally,’” Washington Post columnist, MSNBC contributor and avowed Trump hater Jonathan Capehart said breathlessly while rolling the footage.

Notice how you can't find anything about the Clintons / Democrats having a similar rally in the same venue receiving the same treatment?  I wonder why.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3    2 months ago

I think MSNBC should be sued into oblivion.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.3.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.1    2 months ago

Well Trumps your man then. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3    2 months ago
Notice how you can't find anything about the Clintons / Democrats having a similar rally in the same venue receiving the same treatment?  I wonder why.

Maybe because they didnt have a hate rally?  Ever think of that? 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.4  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.3    2 months ago

Besides the idiot comic, point out EXACTLY what was considered hate.

Only factual comments with quotes are accepted.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.3    2 months ago
Maybe because they didnt have a hate rally?  Ever think of that? 

And neither did this rally.  But don't let that get in the way of the hypocrisy and throwing a tantrum over nothing.  Again.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.1    2 months ago

Another group of mindless bloggers will step up with the fictional nonsense.  

But it would be fun to watch them go batshit crazy over it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.3.7  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.3.4    2 months ago

First of all, listen to the analysis from these two Republicans (who now identify as former Republicans) against Trump.

Then we have this reporting (one of many):  

Former president  Donald Trump  hosted a rally where speakers made numerous vulgar and racist remarks inside New York's Madison Square Garden on Sunday.

Speakers at the rally called Vice President  Kamala Harris , the Democratic nominee, "the Antichrist" and attacked  Hillary Clinton , the Democratic nominee eight years ago, as a "sick son of a b****."

Speakers also made racist comments about Latinos and Black people, both key voting blocs in the election that is just over a week away. Comedian Tony Hinchcliffe branded Puerto Rico  a "floating island of garbage,"  said Latinos love "making babies" and joked about "carving watermelons" with a Black friend for Halloween, while radio host Sid Rosenberg called the event "a Nazi rally."

Here,  Newsweek  rounds up some of the most shocking comments made at the rally.

Donald Trump at a campaign rally at Madison Square Garden on October 27, 2024, in New York City. Several speakers made vulgar and racist remarks at the rally. 

'Floating Island of Garbage'

Tony Hinchcliffe, a stand-up comic, said: "I don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. Yeah. I think it's called Puerto Rico."

Trump senior adviser Danielle Alvarez  told  Newsweek  that the "joke does not reflect the views of President Trump or the campaign."

'These Latinos, They Love Making Babies'

"Believe it or not, people, I welcome migrants to the United States of America with open arms. And by open arms, I mean like this," Hinchcliffe said, while waiving his hands and mouthing: "No, go back."

He added: "It's wild. And these Latinos, they love making babies too, just know that. They do, they do. There's no pulling out. They don't do that. They come inside, just like they did to our country."

'We Carved Watermelons Together'

Hinchcliffe also pointed to a man in the audience before saying: "That's cool, Black guy with a thing on his head. What the hell is that, a lamp shade? Look at this guy! Oh, my goodness. Wow! I'm just kidding, that's one of my buddies. He had a Halloween party last night. We had fun, we carved watermelons together. It was awesome!"

Harris Is 'the Antichrist'

"In fact, she is the devil, whoever screamed that out. She is Antichrist," said David Rem, a sanitation worker billed as Trump's childhood friend, although it has been reported the pair met for the first time just two weeks ago.

Harris and 'Pimp Handlers'

"Kamala Harris is the least qualified candidate to ever run for any political office in American history," businessman Grant Cardone told the crowd.

"She makes her boss look competent. She's a fake. I'm not here to invalidate her. She's a fake, a fraud. She's a pretender. Her and her pimp handlers will destroy our country. They will."

'Nazi rally'

"I just got back from Israel about two weeks ago. They love Trump in Israel. Just you know, they love him," radio personality Sid Rosenberg said.

"I get back and they go, 'Sid, you want to speak at this MSG thing?' I go, 'Sure—out of character for me to speak at a Nazi rally. I was just in Israel.' But I took the gig."

'Sick Son of a B****'

"She is some sick b******, that Hillary Clinton, huh?" Rosenberg said. "What a sick son of a b****. The whole f****** party. A bunch of degenerates. Lowlives, Jew-haters, and lowlives. Every one of 'em. Every one of 'em."

 Do you not recognize the remarkable change of message / tone / philosophy in the Trump-infected GOP compared to the GOP of Reagan (and before)?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.5    2 months ago

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bugsy
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2.3.9  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @2.3.7    2 months ago

You think these things are poutrage bad, but you have never spoke negatively about Harris and her lemmings constant drum beat of Trump AND his supporters are nazis and are the same as Hitler.

I acknowledged the comic and the shitty joke he made about Puerto Ricans. He is an insult comic and the other jokes were expected. I don't know if you are old enough to remember but back in the 70s there was an insult comic named Don Rickles. His jokes were very similar in taste, and I am sure that if you are old enough, you laughed at them....like 90 percent of the country did. Get over it.

The rest of the jokes were actually funny, especially never going to a nazi gig one. Very few paople argue that Harris is not a bitch, so, meh. 

BTW...Bill Kristol is a loser never Trumper who covered up pedophilia within the Lincoln Project organization. Not exactly a source I would lean on to prove a point. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.10  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @2.3.7    2 months ago

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bugsy
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2.3.11  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.6    2 months ago

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TᵢG
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2.3.12  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.3.9    2 months ago

The predictable 'nuh-uh' response.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.3.13  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.3.10    2 months ago

I am not a D.   But I am supporting the Ds in 2024 given that IMO the GOP has turned into a Trump cult.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.14  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @2.3.10    2 months ago
the democratic party of yesterday (party of slavery, Jim Crowe, fighting the civil rights bill, etc) is no different than your party today. 

bizarre comment

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.15  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.14    2 months ago

What did you not understand?

The democratic party of yesterday is no different than the democratic party of today. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.16  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @2.3.12    2 months ago

How so?

Do you condemn your party for calling Trump supporters nazi's?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.17  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @2.3.15    2 months ago

I saw it. The problem is the comment doesnt know what it is talking about. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.18  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @2.3.13    2 months ago
I am not a D

Your comment history shows very differently

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.19  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.17    2 months ago

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TᵢG
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2.3.21  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.3.16    2 months ago

I do not have a political party.   

Provide a link to an official statement from the Ds calling Trump supporters Nazis.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.3.22  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.3.18    2 months ago
Your comment history shows very differently

Bullshit.   You know damn well that I was favoring Chris Sununu and that I supported and contributed financially to the campaign of Nikki Haley.   When she dropped out and left us with Trump, my position turned to using my vote in the most effective way to prevent Trump from becoming PotUS.

When Biden dropped out, I switched from strictly anti-Trump to support for the Harris-Walz ticket.

I have seen repeatedly that partisans cannot believe that anyone is non-partisan.   Thus we see crap like the mere support for a D makes you a D.

A fine test for blind partisanship nowadays is an intention to vote for Trump given he is by far the worst, most unfit nominee for PotUS in our lifetimes and likely in our nation's history.   

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.23  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @2.3.11    2 months ago

Removed for context 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.24  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @2.3.21    2 months ago

Maybe you have not been paying attention, but Ds here and the left wing media have been incessantly saying there is a distinct parallel between Trump's MSG rally and the NAZI rally of 1939.

That is the same as calling Trump supporters nazis

Will you condemn this rhetoric?

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.25  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @2.3.22    2 months ago

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TᵢG
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2.3.26  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.3.24    2 months ago
Maybe you have not been paying attention, but Ds here and the left wing media have been incessantly saying there is a distinct parallel between Trump's MSG rally and the NAZI rally of 1939.

Making that comparison is not the Ds calling the GOP members Nazis.   It was a comparison of the rhetoric.   I will not even ask if you see the similarity between the nationalist, racist rhetoric of Trump, et. al. and that of Hitler since I expect you to deny it even if you actually do recognize it.

There is a difference between pointing out similarity in rhetoric and calling individuals Nazis.   You should know this. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.3.27  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @2.3.4    2 months ago
Besides the idiot comic, point out EXACTLY what was considered hate.

It was labeled a hate rally before the rally ever took place.  Have to keep the Nazi narrative going when there is nothing else.

"Vote for Harris or be a Nazi!" S/

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.28  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @2.3.26    2 months ago

Deflection and not answering the question.

Do you condemn democrats for making comparisons between Trump supporters and nazis?

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.29  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.3.27    2 months ago
It was labeled a hate rally before the rally ever took place

They seem to forget their god and goddess Bill and Hillary both held rallies at MSG. Same with FDR and JFK

They don't see the irony in trying to compare rallies held there to nazi rallies. 

For some reason I can't get anyone to condemn comparing Trump supporters to nazis.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.3.30  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.8    2 months ago
it is a waste of time to talk to you

Hmmmm

 
 
 
George
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2.3.31  George  replied to  TᵢG @2.3.22    2 months ago
I have seen repeatedly that partisans cannot believe that anyone is non-partisan.   Thus we see crap like the mere support for a D makes you a D.

This may be your funniest comment yet.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.3.32  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.3.28    2 months ago

That was not deflection, it clearly stated that your claim is bullshit.   

The comparison was with the rhetoric, not the people.

If you want me to answer your question then deliver proof that that your claim is true.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.3.33  TᵢG  replied to  George @2.3.31    2 months ago

Explain why.   

Is it your position that anyone voting for Harris this year is necessarily a D?

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.34  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @2.3.32    2 months ago

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Right Down the Center
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2.3.35  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @2.3.22    2 months ago
A fine test for blind partisanship nowadays is an intention to vote for Trump given he is by far the worst, most unfit nominee for PotUS in our lifetimes and likely in our nation's history.   

Are you really suggesting anyone that votes for Trump is doing so out of blind partisanship?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.3.36  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @2.3.29    2 months ago
For some reason I can't get anyone to condemn comparing Trump supporters to nazis.

Feelings of some have been obvious for awhile.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.3.37  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @2.3.24    2 months ago
That is the same as calling Trump supporters nazis

Don't forget ignorant, racist, blind partisans, fascist, unpatriotic, goobers and any other name that comes to mind.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.3.38  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.3.35    2 months ago

On second thought, I think a more accurate assessment is that a vote for Trump at this stage is a fine test for cultish behavior.

But in both cases, no test is 100% accurate so this is a predominant test, not an absolute test.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago
The left-wing network weaved archival footage from the 1939 Nazi rally into the broadcast of Trump’s Sunday rally, which saw the iconic New York City venue packed to the rafters with jubilant supporters.

Well, at least we now know that NYC is a sanctuary for NAZIs.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.4.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Nerm_L @2.4    2 months ago
Well, at least we now know that NYC is a sanctuary for NAZIs.

This is how ridiculous the media and some on the left are getting.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.4.2  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.4.1    2 months ago

The desperation is obvious.

They know Harris is losing.

I'm sure some of these outlets have access to insider polls and it is much worse than the polls that are being released to the public. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.4.3  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.4.2    2 months ago
They know Harris is losing.

I think that anyone who can look at this election objectively would recognize that this is a toss-up that will be determined based on actual turnout.

To conclude that Trump or Harris is winning is emotional, not rational.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.4.4  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @2.4.3    2 months ago

Then how do you explain the obvious desperation of the Harris camp to tell their followers to refer to Trump and his supporters as fascists and nazis?

They are obeying in lock step......pretty much like a cult.

Funny how I can't get anyone to condemn this rhetoric

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.4.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @2.4.4    2 months ago
Funny how I can't get anyone to condemn this rhetoric

That is all kinds of sad, but expected

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.4.6  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.4.5    2 months ago

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TᵢG
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2.4.7  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.4.4    2 months ago
Funny how I can't get anyone to condemn this rhetoric

Well of course not;  nobody will condemn something unless it actually happens.    Show me where the Harris camp called Trump supporters fascists and Nazis.

Again, they compared the rhetoric, not the people.   

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.4.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @2.4.7    2 months ago
Show me where the Harris camp called Trump supporters fascists and Nazis.

Not all Trump supporters are fascists and Nazis, but pretty much all the fascists and Nazis in America are Trump supporters.

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Tessylo
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2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago

I've noted that there are many different forms of government, such as all of these....

Index of Forms of Government

  1. Anarchy
  2. Aristocracy
  3. Bureaucracy
  4. Capitalism
  5. Colonialism
  6. Communism
  7. Democracy
  8. Electocracy
  9. Ergatocracy
  10. Federalism
  11. Feudalism
  12. Geniocracy
  13. Kleptocracy
  14. Meritocracy
  15. Military Dictatorship
  16. Monarchy
  17. Oligarchy
  18. Plutocracy
  19. Republicanism
  20. Socialism
  21. Statism
  22. Technocracy
  23. Theocracy
  24. Totalitarianism
  25. Tribalism

But America appears to be unique, in that it seems to be governed by SupremeCourtacy.

 
 

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