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A deliberate 16 hour delay.

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  last year  •  72 comments

A deliberate 16 hour delay.
Majority leader John Thune, R-D., has said the measure could lack key GOP support in a final vote, which could send it back to the House.


The Senate has started formal debate on the Trump administration's budget reconciliation bill after lawmakers spent 16 hours reading the entire measure aloud on the Senate floor at the request of Chuck Schumer. The dems are back into full obstruction mode. They are all in line behind Schumer.


The Senate version of the bill would add nearly $3.3 trillion to the national debt over a decade, according to the CBO, which has been wrong in the past and fails to account for a growing economy. These estimates are based on including the costs of extending Trump's 2017 tax cuts. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky, and Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., were the only GOP senators who voted Saturday night against brining the bill to the Senate floor for debate. The President threatened to primary Tillis and Tillis responded by saying he would not run again.

Medicaid cuts have been front and center of Senate deliberations as the addition of young able-bodied people has strained the system. Senate Republicans have added a work requirement intended to streamline the system. It is unclear how the House Republicans will react should the Senate manage to pass the bill and send it over to the House.


In other news:

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The Senate will begin voting on Trump's Big Beautiful Bill today.

Canada said it would cancel a tax on American tech companies if Trump would let them renter trade negotiations.

U.S. and E.U. negotiators are working to strike a trade deal before Trump’s July 9 tariff deadline. Germany has urged the EU to get it done.

Trump vowed to dismantle the MS-13 gang. Under an immigration deal with the Salvadoran president, the U.S. is returning the gang’s leaders.

The chief U.N. nuclear inspector said that Iran could be enriching uranium in a matter of months. It is unclear how he would know that. Iran has not allowed inspectors near any of the bombed-out sites.

In Idaho, a gunman started a wildfire and shot firefighters who responded, killing two and injuring another.

Chaos ensued at the end of the NYC Pride Parade after a shirtless man deployed bear spray. Later there was a shooting in the area. Is that how the Pride Parade normally ends?



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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    last year

Good morning and welcome to the news since the morning newspapers.

Today there is a bit of a celebration on Marthas Vineyard as visitors celebrate the 50th anniversary of the movie "Jaws."

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I haven't been there in years. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year
I haven't been there in years. 

Neither have the illegals they declared they would protect.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1    last year

As I recall, they got deported right out ... to other parts of the US.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    last year

They were.  Proved that their "sanctuary shithole" declaration was nothing but BS.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.2    last year

256

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.2    last year

They don't want them close by, but they do want them in the country.

What are the criteria again?

They must be 1) poor, 2) non-white and 3) unwilling to assimilate.

 
 
 
George
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1.1.5  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    last year

4) And vote democrat

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @1.1.5    last year

Yes, and the President has a bill pending in the House to remedy that.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

They’re celebrating the tax cuts they don’t need at the expense of services desperately needed by their fellow citizens. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @1.2    last year

Talk to the Senate about that crap. The rich got their way...........even the not-so-rich. They bumped the SALT deduction to $40K. You remember that little detail that they all whined about in Trump's first term wasn't enough, surely. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

Although I've been to Provincetown a few times, I've never been to Martha's Vineyard, but I HAVE been to Nantucket.  The movie "Jaws" had a big effect on me.  Atter seeing that movie I never ventured past my waist in the Ocean, but since then I've been told that would still be a danger. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3    last year

In that case I can't resist relating a local story from the year that Jaws was released and the talk of the nation. A few weeks after it was released in the Boston area a fishing boat out of Gloucester went down in a storm. After two days in the water those guys were found and rescued. They were asked what it was like to be in the water for so long. They said they just kept talking to one another to keep their minds off their dangerous predicament. One said we discussed everything ... everything except for Jaws. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.1    last year

LOL

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  author  Vic Eldred    last year

"Top House Dem Hakeem Jeffries demands socialist Zohran Mamdani ‘clarify’ his defense of ‘intifada’ chant."

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Hakeem Jeffries demands Zohran Mamdani 'clarify' his defense of 'intifada' chant

 
 
 
George
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2.1  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    last year

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Vic Eldred
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2.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @2.1    last year

Agreed.

The President just warned that the election of Mamdani to the position of mayor could cost New York.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  George @2.1    last year

One thing to remember is that these are the same idiots that gave us AOC.

 
 
 
George
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2.1.3  George  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.2    last year

And these same idiots think she is Presidential material. you just can't fix stupid.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    last year

The President just warned that the election of Mamdani to the position of mayor could cost New York.

So, MAGA just loves a POTUS that threatens when he doesn't get his way.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    last year
The President just warned that the election of Mamdani to the position of mayor could cost New York.

What a ridiculous bully. Y’all voted for a bully. It’s a cult of bullies.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.5    last year

You mean a man with guts!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    last year

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Tacos!
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2.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    last year

No, I said what I meant. A bully like Trump forces his will on people because he has figured out that he can get away with it.

A man with guts would pursue the right thing even if the effort put himself at risk. Trump never does that.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.8    last year
A man with guts would pursue the right thing even if the effort put himself at risk. Trump never does that.

I guess you must have missed the bombing on the nuclear facilities. THAT was a risk. Both politically and personally.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.9    last year
THAT was a risk. Both politically and personally.

How? He risks nothing politically. The Republicans in Congress will not refuse him anything. They will not hold him accountable for anything. There is nothing he could do that they would not ignore.

And how does he risk anything personally? Will the ayatollah take him off his Christmas list or something?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.10    last year

No, but this bolsters his desire for Trump to be "out of the picture, so to speak. I guess you missed the two previous attempts at assassination. Add to that the fact that there is a reasonable threat ongoing from Iran, and I am sure they aren't the only ones.

Politically, had it not been some semblance of success, it would have dropped an 18-pack of Egglands Best squarely on his face and we would have a hard time (Jimmy Carter RIP) more places than at home. As it is, your "bully" got NATO countries to pony up their defense spending. If there wasn't some degree of need, which he pushed, and if they thought he was all bluster, which isn't too far out of the realm of possibility, they would have told him to pound sand. Add to that the plethora of countries wanting to get to the bargaining table before it's too late.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.11    last year
I guess you missed the two previous attempts at assassination.

I doubt people are trying to assassinate because he’s making tough, brave calls.

Politically, had it not been some semblance of success, it would have dropped an 18-pack of Egglands Best squarely on his face

Are you kidding? The excuses would be flying fast and furious. Word is that plan was in the works for a decade. He’d blame Obama, or DEI, or some other shit. But it went well, so it’s his glorious victory. That’s how he rolls, and his worshipping hordes always buy it.

As it is, your "bully" got NATO countries to pony up their defense spending.

Good. I don’t think too many people are upset about that. I know I’m not. I support several of his goals, just not the way he goes about them. The ends do not justify the means.

Add to that the plethora of countries wanting to get to the bargaining table before it's too late.

Not really.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  author  Vic Eldred    last year

"Iranian construction crews are busy at work on the surface of the  uranium enrichment facility in Fordow  five days after the US nailed the underground fortress with 30,000 pound bunker buster bombs, new satellite images showed.

Crews operated excavators, bulldozers, and other construction vehicles near the craters and punctures in the ground above the nuclear facility  caused by the GBU-57 bunker buster  bombs  dropped by American B-2s last weekend , according to images captured by Maxar Technologies on Friday."

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Iranian construction crews working at Fordow nuclear site, satellite images show

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    last year

It would be a shame if another pass was made.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1    last year

A reporter asked Trump if he would strike again. Trump said: "If need be, ABSOLUTELY!"

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    last year

Once again, he is performing while his predecessors just gave lip service.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    last year

Trump said: "If need be, ABSOLUTELY!"

Good thing he doesn't "need" to.  Another strike would just show that it wasn't "obliterated" and Trump can never admit to be wrong about anything.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1    last year

Drop bomb without intelligence? That’s on brand, at least.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.4    last year

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Snuffy
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3.2  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    last year

Some intercepts that show the damage may not be as big as the administration hoped for. Still a ways to go on the final BDA but this shows some interesting thoughts. We need to get Iran to the table to negotiate the ending of all of this. So far Iran is resisting all attempts to come to the table so what next steps are is anybody's guess.

U.S. intelligence services have intercepted internal communications between senior Iranian officials that suggest Tehran views the recent American military strikes on its nuclear program as significantly less damaging than expected, The Washington Post reported. Intercepted Intel Reveals Iran Surprised By Limited Damage From U.S. Strikes - i24NEWS

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4  Nerm_L    last year

Republicans have run out of time and the country is running out of patience.  The backlash over some of the TEA Party motivated cuts to government could well doom the MAGA movement altogether.  Why Republicans persist in attempting to shoot off their own dicks boggles the mind.

We better begin seeing real economic growth before the midterms.  Fuzzy wuzzy 2% growth drive by financial inflation is a joke.  And the country is no mood to laugh that off.  

Republicans must begin tackling reforms for the tax code.  Time to get rid of a lot of deductions and simplify the tax code.  If Republicans won't then it looks like Democrats will be back in charge next year.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @4    last year
Time to get rid of a lot of deductions and simplify the tax code.

Agreed but unfortunately it will likely never happen.    The “tax preparer” lobby is just too strong.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Sparty On @4.1    last year
Agreed but unfortunately it will likely never happen.    The “tax preparer” lobby is just too strong.

Until AI begins displacing those jobs.  Most of the tax software already available has automated tax preparation to a large extent.  AI will allow that software to tackle more complex tax filings.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Sparty On @4.1    last year
Agreed but unfortunately it will likely never happen.    The “tax preparer” lobby is just too strong.

Let's don't overlook that Congress' primary way to enforce their ideology is through the tax code.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.2    last year

Yep, I’m a flat tax guy.    It would be worth it to watch all the progressive heads exploding.    It would be like that one Kingsman movie.     Multi color head explosions everywhere.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @4    last year

Based on what Democrats are running on, I don't think Republicans have any worries.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.2.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2    last year
Based on what Democrats are running on, I don't think Republicans have any worries.

Well, Democrats are presently running on TDS psychosis.  The younger party base will be weeding out the old, weak, and obsolete party leadership just as the TEA Party remade the Republican Party.  Republicans won't remain unchallenged.  The Democratic Party either focuses on becoming an alternative or another party will take its place.

Republicans are running out of austerity; there's not much left to cut.  Republicans are going to have to learn how to increase government revenue or they won't be competitive in future politics.  MAGA started out with a promise to make government work; not to drown government in a bathtub.  The country's tolerance for TEA Party nonsense really is beginning to wane.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @4.2.1    last year
Republicans are going to have to learn how to increase government revenue or they won't be competitive in future politics. 

I think they've done that. The prognosis for GDP is about 4% growth.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.2.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.2    last year
I think they've done that. The prognosis for GDP is about 4% growth.

I haven't seen those forecasts.  That's good news.  The policies that have been put in place will need to deliver that kind of growth to maintain support.

But a growing GDP won't alter the simple fact that Republicans have run out of austerity.  Republicans either raise taxes or the public will turn to Democrats.  And we both know Democrats favor the worst possible types of taxes for job growth and business expansion.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @4.2.3    last year
I haven't seen those forecasts.  That's good news.  The policies that have been put in place will need to deliver that kind of growth to maintain support.

Atlanta Fed GDPNow growth estimate for Q2 rises to 4.6% from 3.8% | Forexlive



But a growing GDP won't alter the simple fact that Republicans have run out of austerity.  Republicans either raise taxes or the public will turn to Democrats. 

Can they possibly balance the budget within the next 4 years?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.2.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.4    last year
Can they possibly balance the budget within the next 4 years?

Not without tax increases.  Not even the TEA Party can cut servicing the national debt by shutting down government.  The TEA Party idea of balancing the budget by eliminating all social spending is a pathway for revolutionary overthrow of the government.  And revolutionaries don't give a shit about property rights or the rule of law.

Would you rather Republicans raise taxes or Democrats raise taxes?  We know what kind of taxes Democrats prefer.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.2.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2    last year

Based on what Democrats are running on, I don't think Republicans have any worries.

Have you been watching the local elections?  Not looking good for MAGA come the 1st federal level elections.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.3  Tacos!  replied to  Nerm_L @4    last year
Time to get rid of a lot of deductions and simplify the tax code.

ROFL jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif Hilarious. Trump only promised that 10 years ago. Bullshit Promise #2516.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @4.3    last year

Interesting.     I guess Trump isn’t a King after all.    Otherwise he would have just done it.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.3.2  Tacos!  replied to  Sparty On @4.3.1    last year

How do you figure? A king can't also be full of shit? They usually are.

Someone who actually gives a damn about the people - a true public servant - keeps his promises. Do you how many times he has promised a new healthcare plan? Instead, he's letting his servants in Congress, take healthcare from people. So, he's cruel like a king, too.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  author  Vic Eldred    last year

"WASHINGTON (AP) —  Harvard University  failed to protect Jewish students from harassment, the Trump administration concluded after an investigation, threatening to cut all federal funding from the Ivy League school if it fails to take action.

A federal task force sent a letter to Harvard on Monday finding the university violated civil rights laws requiring colleges to protect students from discrimination based on race or national origin. It says investigators found Harvard was at times a “willful participant in anti-Semitic harassment of Jewish students, faculty, and staff” and that campus leaders allowed antisemitism to fester on the campus in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

“Failure to institute adequate changes immediately will result in the loss of all federal financial resources and continue to affect Harvard’s relationship with the federal government,” officials said in the letter, which was obtained by The Associated Press and first reported by The Wall Street Journal."

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Trump threatens to cut all funding for Harvard University | AP News

Trump will now likely withhold all federal funding from Harvard U.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6  author  Vic Eldred    last year

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the entire Lukas family on the passing of Thoroughbred Racing legend D. Wayne Lukas. 

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Dead at 89. One of the greatest trainers in my lifetime.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7  author  Vic Eldred    last year

State Department revokes visas for Bob Vylan after "death to the IDF" chant

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Bob Vylan’s US visas are revoked after rap punk duo’s controversial chant against Israeli military | CNN

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8  author  Vic Eldred    last year

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JohnRussell
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9  JohnRussell    last year

800

 
 
 
Sparty On
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9.1  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @9    last year

Source?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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10  Jack_TX    last year
The dems are back into full obstruction mode.

That's their job.  The first responsibility of the minority party in DC is to slow/stop the implementation of the majority party initiatives.  It's a key part of the whole "check and balance" idea.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11  Tacos!    last year
The Senate has started formal debate on the Trump administration's budget reconciliation bill after lawmakers spent 16 hours reading the entire measure aloud on the Senate floor at the request of Chuck Schumer. The dems are back into full obstruction mode.

Don’t cry, babies. You’ll get your big fascist bill eventually. It’s merely a delay, not obstruction.

Why object to a full reading if you have nothing to hide?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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11.1  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @11    last year

I guess Dems do need to know what’s in Rep bills before they pass em.    Unlike Dems bills …..

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Sparty On @11.1    last year

I guess Dems do need to know what’s in Rep bills before they pass em.    Unlike Dems bills …..

If Biden was trying to pass this, would you be ok with it? 

Never in a million years. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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11.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @11.1.1    last year

You completely missed the point of 11.1.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Sparty On @11.1    last year

I guess you think that’s clever, but it’s not. I think you already know that it’s not useful. You don’t seem to care about the current situation or the content of the bill. Your focus seems to be on “winning” at internet politics by referencing some shit that happened 15 years ago.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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11.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.1.2    last year

So is that a yes or no?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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11.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @11.1.4    last year

has nothing to do with biden.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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11.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.3    last year
I guess you think that’s clever, but it’s not.

Opinions do vary.     I call it spot on to the double standard at play here.    Besides, do you remember what was in that bill Pelosi didn’t want read.    I bet you don’t if truthful.  

15 years?     So what?    The ACA affects Americans in a big way nearly every day.    Pretty big stuff in its own right wouldn’t you say?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  Sparty On @11.1.6    last year

You object to people having cheaper healthcare?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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11.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.7    last year

Back on topic.    Do you object to knowing what is in a bill before being required to vote on it?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11.1.9  Tacos!  replied to  Sparty On @11.1.8    last year
Back on topic.

You say that. And yet you still want to talk about 15 years ago, not the bill being considered today.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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11.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.9    last year

[✘]

 
 
 
MrFrost
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12  MrFrost    last year
fails to account for a growing economy. 

It isn't LOL 

 
 
 
George
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13  George    last year

Fucktard democrats in the Senate vote against doubling the amount spent on rural hospitals, and then showing no integrity will be on TV tomorrow whining about funding for rural hospitals, the only people with less integrity are the ones who continue to support their insanity.

 
 
 
freepress
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14  freepress    last year

Today GOP Representative Derrick Van Orden actually had the nerve to declare on camera he was voting yes on the bill while admitting hospitals in Wisconsin were under threat of closure due to this bill.

He said he begged the Democratic Governor of Wisconsin Tony Evers, to quickly sign a budget bill to avoid the cuts that he himself is voting for!!!!!

So crazy it makes your head spin. 

Hi, I represent Wisconsin as a Republican and I am voting against Wisconsin constituents in my state because I don't want GOP backlash or backlash from Trump.

But hey, I am begging a Democrat to fix the problem I admit I am creating. 

 
 

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