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Alvarado ICE facility attack: 11 charged in 'ambush' on ICE officers, officials say

  

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Alvarado ICE facility attack: 11 charged in 'ambush' on ICE officers, officials say
Officials say 10-12 individuals in military-style clothing fired fireworks to lure officers out, while a gunman in the woods shot an Alvarado police officer in the neck (expected to survive).

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The "coordinated attack" happened around 10;30 p.m. on July 4 at the Prairieland ICE Detention Center in Alvarado, 25 miles south of Fort Worth.

Law enforcement officials said 10 to 12 people in black military-style clothing began shooting fireworks at the facility. One or two others broke off from the group and began to damage vehicles and spray graffiti. Officials say the graffiti said things like "ICE pig", "traitor" and profanity.

Officials believe the activity was meant to draw ICE detention officers out of the building.

Two unarmed officers made their way outside to talk to the vandals.

A single officer from the Alvarado Police Department was also called to investigate the suspicious activity at the detention center.

When the officer responded, he was shot in the neck by a person from the woods.

Officials say another person across the street, then shot 20 to 30 rounds at the unarmed ICE detention officers.

A jammed AR-style rifle was found at the scene. The alleged attackers fled from the scene.

The Johnson County Sheriff's Office stopped a vehicle with a single driver inside. Two guns were found in the car, as well as a Kevlar vest.

Sheriff's deputies stopped another seven individuals in another area. Some were wearing body armor, some were covered in mud and some were armed, according to officials.

According to court documents, the driver told the sheriff's deputy that he met some people online and took them from Dallas to the detention center to "make some noise".

12 sets of body armor, flyers, spray paint and a flag saying "Resist Fascism. Fight Oligarchy" were eventually found.

Other searches found masks, goggles, gloves, weapons, fireworks and more.


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Sean Treacy
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1  seeder  Sean Treacy    last year

More terrorism. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sean Treacy @1    last year

But it's all Trump's fault for being such a meanie.................//s

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.1  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    last year

As left wing fanatics try to kill immigration and border enforcement officers on a daily basis, it's important to remember the real threat is "christian nationalism." 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.1    last year
it's important to remember the real threat is "christian nationalism." 

Damn straight. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    last year

No, the real threat is radical violent progressivism which you seem to support

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.1    last year

On a daily basis?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.5  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.4    last year

Two in two days.  Let's see what today brings.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.6  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.3    last year
e real threat is radical violent progressivism which you seem to suppor

Christian nationalism is the new boogeyman for many modern progressives, whose obsessions make Lyndon Larochities seem rational by comparison. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.6    last year
Christian nationalism is the new boogeyman

It is not a new concern, it is a constant concern.

Out of curioisity , what do you think a government controlled by Christian evangelists , often psychologically controlled by beliefs in "prophecy, "  would do to America ? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.8  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.7    last year

The county was run by people you would denounce as  "christian nationalists" for hundreds of years.  Over your lifetime, you've seen for yourself how much the influence of Christianity has waned in this country, and continues to do so.  The idea that we are now  one step away from a christian theocracy is one of the more ludicrous conspiracies out there. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.8    last year

There are many people, including some in Congress, who want a government that conforms, by law, to Biblical  principles. That is of course unconstitutional but as the constitution starts to mean less and less they will come closer to their goals. 

As far as biblical principles go, many are worthy I'm sure but biblical principles were also used, enthusiastically,  to justify slavery. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.10  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.9    last year

 many people, including some in Congress, who want a government that conforms, by law, to Biblical  principles.

Laws are the embodiment of moral principles. That's all they are. Even the utilitarian ones are undergird by moral principles.  Tax law hinges about what is "fair" for instance. 

Other than banning christianity, there's no way to stop people from being influenced by it. It's no different than people who want a government, by law, to the principles they found in whatever tract is trendy among progressives at the moment. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.11  1stwarrior  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    last year

They were only protesting peacefully. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @1    last year

And all withing hours of Democrats calling for blood

Shooter Attacked Border Agents Hours After Dems Said Their Voters Want ‘Blood’

And here we are told that the left wasn't violent.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    last year

Anyone who intentionally shoots another human being should receive the full punishment prescribed by law. 

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But what did you expect?  I predicted a while back that the indiscriminate ICE raids and behavior would lead to violence, and I'll make another prediction now-  one day in the near or not too distant future ICE agents will kill an "illegal" who has committed no crime.  And lets say , over time, it will be more than one. 

This all is just beginning. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year
I predicted a while back that the indiscriminate ICE raids and behavior would lead to violence

One thing you got wrong in your endless blathering is WHO would be carrying out the violence.  Turns out those carrying out the violence share the same views you all do. 

I'll make another prediction now-  one day in the near or not too distant future ICE agents will kill an "illegal" who has committed no crime.

And it will lead to the uninformed left rioting with 1/10th of the information as they have in the past.  Just like we saw when George Floyd overdosed and, more recently, in LA when ICE went in to enforce laws the state of Californian (a Democrat shithole) failed to do.  What really makes it pathetic is that you all will "take to the streets" for a criminal but not for US Citizens.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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What we do expect is that the radical leftists will continue to support and enable the violence against legitimate law enforcement actions. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.1  Tacos!  replied to  Greg Jones @3    last year
legitimate law enforcement actions. 

What makes you think this is all legitimate? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @3.1    last year

What makes you think it isn't?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Tacos! @3.1    last year

Do you think capturing and removing illegals is not a legitimate law enforcement action?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  bugsy @3.1.2    last year
Do you think capturing and removing illegals is not a legitimate law enforcement action?

Not at all. Care to think about this a little more deeply? Maybe listen to some of the things we are all saying?

Or will you stubbornly insist this is only about enforcing the law?

Do you think all government behavior is acceptable so long as they claim they are enforcing the law?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.3    last year

Sad excuse to defend illegals.

If law enforcement is upholding the law and carrying out what they are formed to do, then yes, their behavior is acceptable. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  bugsy @3.1.4    last year

Sad excuse to defend illegals.

What excuse? Where did I defend any illegal person or thing?

If law enforcement is upholding the law

Law enforcement’s actions must be objectively reasonable and conform to the Constitution. So they don’t get to seize people without probable cause or a warrant. They don’t get to use force indiscriminately. They don’t get to endanger public safety just for show. They don’t get to damage or destroy private or public property unnecessarily.

Upholding the law is about more than just being generally employed to catch violators. Having the larger mission of arresting undocumented people does not mean they can do whatever they like, wherever or whenever they like.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    last year

Unsurprising. When the government becomes brutal, cruel, and lawless, eventually people will fight back in whatever way they know how.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @4    last year
hen the government becomes brutal, cruel, and lawless, eventually people will fight back in whatever way they know how.

Lol.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    last year
Lol.

Laughter over this is why more and more people are going to start fighting back for real. And then you’ll be crying about how mean they are.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.1    last year
And then you’ll be crying about how mean they are.

Ahhhh memories......................

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.3  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.1    last year

What can you do but laugh at people who rationalize violently attacking law enforcement for simply enforcing the law?   You can't expect to be taken seriously, can you?

d then you’ll be crying about how mean they are.

Cry more than the people weeping over human trafficking gang members being deported? 

It's always good to see who will simply let criminals do whatever they want if they threaten violence though.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.3    last year

So you think marching heavily armed military troops through an American park where children play is a good idea ? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.5  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.4    last year
arching heavily armed military troops through an American park where children play is a good idea ?

I think arresting illegal aliens in gang controlled territory is a very good idea.  

 
 
 
George
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4.1.6  George  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.4    last year

Why wouldn't it be? do you think that somehow put children in danger and please explain why.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.3    last year
for simply enforcing the law?

See, you’re deliberately ignoring the facts to justify cruelty and unlawful behavior. I am not surprised, though.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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4.1.8  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.4    last year
heavily armed military troops

Interesting sound bite most likely meant to incite in my view . one that is failing .

Thing is it is rather LIGHT  in its facts or factual information .

 Do you also include , FBI, ATF , Treasury , US Marshals , or any other federal LEO as  armed military  ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.1.8    last year

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Federal officers and National Guard troops fanned out around a mostly empty Los Angeles park in a largely immigrant neighborhood  on foot, horseback and military vehicles  on Monday for about an hour before abruptly leaving, an operation that local officials said seemed designed to sow fear.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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4.1.10  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.9    last year

Well John , i did the curtesy of going to the military vehicle link in your post and looked at the photo montage provided by AP. that part i take it you high lighted  to re enforce your point /narrative .

And not in one of those photos did i see any NG troops, though mis identifying one as a NG troop can be understood  , all appear on inspection and actually looking  to have identifying patches showing they were police of some federal agency.  its not like the media would misinform misdirect , or outright LIE now would they ? they would have to have an agenda to do that .

Sorry , but even i know the military is not the only ones that drive vehicles designed and sold to the military, they are available to just about any LEO agency out there local state and federal, and even civilians  . Just depends on their budgets and needs . just as their choice in personal protective equipment is up to them both as an agency and individually they will use what they think is required  , Mil surplus and or contract over runs can make the choices cheaper per agency , and lets not forget government discounts due to volume .

 EDIT: i think the claim made has sewn more fear with illegals , than their actual presence, but thats just my opinion . 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.1.10    last year
bing co-pilot AI
did national guard troops take part in the ICE incursion into Mac Arthur park

Yes, National Guard troops did take part in the ICE incursion into MacArthur Park on July 7, 2025.

🔍 What Happened:

  • About 90 armed members of the California National Guard were deployed alongside federal immigration agents from ICE and CBP during a brief but intense operation at MacArthur Park in Los Angeles2.

  • The troops arrived in 17 Humvees, four tactical vehicles, and two ambulances, and were seen on foot and horseback, forming a security perimeter around the park4.

  • Their stated role, according to defense officials, was to protect federal immigration officers from potentially hostile crowds—not to conduct arrests themselves5.

🚨 Public Reaction:

  • The operation sparked outrage from local officials, including Mayor Karen Bass, who called it “absolutely outrageous” and likened the scene to a city “under siege”2.

  • The park, located in a predominantly immigrant neighborhood, was nearly empty at the time due to advance word of the raid. Children attending a summer camp were quickly ushered indoors to avoid witnessing the militarized presence4.

  • No arrests were confirmed, and the operation ended within about an hour5.

This deployment was part of a broader federal immigration crackdown under President Donald Trump, who had recently sent thousands of National Guard troops and Marines to Los Angeles despite opposition from California Governor Gavin Newsom3.

 
 
 
George
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4.1.12  George  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.11    last year
About 90 armed members of the California National Guard were deployed alongside federal immigration agents from ICE and CBP during a brief but intense operation at MacArthur Park in Los Angeles2.

This wouldn't be necessary if violent intolerant leftist would stop attacking ICE agents for simply doing their job, which is removing illegal aliens, PERIOD!

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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4.1.13  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.11    last year

According to AI, i will consider the source , as well as how it formulates answers , it follows an algorhythm of whats most reported , be it factual or not .

 AND even IF they were present they didnt violate PosseC , they as what your post says ,were there to protect federal agents , not do the actual dirt work .  a nothing burger as your fond of saying in the past .

 keep swinging batter .

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.14  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.5    last year
I think arresting illegal aliens in gang controlled territory is a very good idea.

That’s mostly not what they’re doing.

Trump’s ICE arrests non-criminals despite crime-focused message

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention statistics show the number of detainees arrested by ICE with no other criminal charges or convictions rose from about 860 in January to 7,800 this month - a more than 800% increase.
Those arrested and detained with criminal charges or convictions also rose, but at a lower rate of 91%.

So it’s hard to argue that the military force, high aggression, and blatant disregard for public safety and accountability are justified on the ground that they are focusing on hardened criminals. They clearly are not.

 
 
 
George
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4.1.15  George  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.14    last year

In spite of what the headline says they are all criminals.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.16  bugsy  replied to  George @4.1.15    last year

Dontcha know…. They are simple Maryland men and California women. Nothing more

 
 
 
George
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4.1.17  George  replied to  bugsy @4.1.16    last year

Obama admin trafficked children, maybe that's why they like the Maryland man so much.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.18  Tacos!  replied to  George @4.1.15    last year

No, they aren’t.

 
 
 
George
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4.1.19  George  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.18    last year

Yes they are, by crossing the border they are a criminal, if they are working that is another crime. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.20  Tacos!  replied to  George @4.1.19    last year
by crossing the border they are a criminal

Then catch them in the act. Being in the country illegally is not a crime. Also, generally, working is not a crime for undocumented people.

Both are unlawful, but “unlawful” does not necessarily equal “criminal.” These are civil offenses.

And I think I am safe in saying that most people - including the president - think of gang members and genuinely dangerous people when they hear “criminal.” He campaigned on getting rid of gang members, not gardeners.

People like you, who support this militarism and brutality, love to claim that it’s about “enforcing the law,” but you don’t want to hear about how the government might be violating the law.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.1.21  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.20    last year
He campaigned on getting rid of gang members, not gardeners.

Anyone with a good tan must go, seems to be the litmus test. We've already deported legals, probably even illegally, according to the latest from the El Salvadorian leader to the UN.

 
 
 
George
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4.1.22  George  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.20    last year

Your defense is catch them in the act....LOLOLOLOL......Does that apply to all criminals, woman who are raped aren't going to be happy with that view. FUCK the illegals and throw them out.

Also, generally, working is not a crime for undocumented people.

This is complete and utter bullshit..........It is absolutely illegal for an undocumented person to work in the US.

 
 
 
George
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4.1.23  George  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.1.21    last year
We've already deported legals,

Do you have a source for this?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.1.24  Igknorantzruls  replied to  George @4.1.23    last year

https://www.bing.com/search?q=We+talked+with+three+people+affected+by+the+changes%2C+a+Canadian+who+tried+to+renew+her+visa%2C+the+husband+of+a+Peruvian+immigrant+who%27s+being+detained+in+Louisiana%2C+and+a+graduate+student+currently+being+targeted+for+deportation.+Here%27s+what+they+told+us.%0D%0A%0D%0AJasmine+Mooney%2C+Detained+Trying+to+Renew+Visa%3A+My+name+is+Jasmine+Mooney%2C+and+I+am+from+Canada.%0D%0A%0D%0AMomodou+Taal%2C+Student+Visa+Revoked%3A%0D%0A%0D%0AMy+name+is+Momodou+Taal.+I%27m+fro&FORM=SSQNT1&PC=U531#:~:text=org%20%E2%80%BA%20newshour%20%E2%80%BA%20show%20%E2%80%BA%20%E2%80%A6-,Migrants%20in%20U.S.%20legally%20and%20with%20no%20criminal%20history%20%E2%80%A6,-Mar%2028%2C%202025

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.25  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.1.21    last year
Anyone with a good tan must go

That's a pretty racist comment.  

We've already deported legals

Source?  

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.1.26  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.25    last year
That's a pretty racist comment.  

its also pretty damn true. How many blonde hair Scandinavians' have been deported ...? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.27  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.1.26    last year

What percentage of illegal aliens come from Scandinavia? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.28  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.1.26    last year

So you actually think it's only "Anyone with a good tan" are here illegally?  That's a pretty narrow and racist view of the situation you have there.  

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.1.29  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.1.26    last year
How many blonde hair Scandinavians' have been deported ...? 

I don't know, but if they are white from South Africa, they'rre allowed in, until Elon dimes out DJT for making the Epstein list that ole lying Pam Bondi now claims doesnt exist

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.33  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.1.29    last year

The rest of the comments in this thread were removed for being off-topic.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.34  Tacos!  replied to  George @4.1.22    last year
Your defense is catch them in the act

It’s not a defense of anything. It’s the law. Suddenly you don’t want to hear about the law. Shocking!

This is complete and utter bullshit..........It is absolutely illegal for an undocumented person to work in the US.

Words matter. I never said it wasn’t illegal. I said it wasn’t criminal. There is a difference. Learn it please.

 
 
 
George
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4.1.35  George  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.34    last year
It’s not a defense of anything. It’s the law. Suddenly you don’t want to hear about the law. Shocking!

It's not the law, they DO NOT have to catch them crossing the border, the act of them being in the US without permission is in itself a crime. 

 
 
 
George
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4.1.36  George  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.34    last year
Words matter. I never said it wasn’t illegal. I said it wasn’t criminal . There is a difference. Learn it please.

My law degree from UCLA tells me that this is a criminal act.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

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Being charged with improper entry under 8 U.S.C. § 1325 carries significant legal consequences. This statute criminalizes unauthorized crossings into the United States,
 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.37  Tacos!  replied to  George @4.1.36    last year
Improper Entry

Entry . Again, entering without permission is a crime. Being in the country illegally is not, by itself, a crime. It is punishable only by deportation and/or fine - not jail.

ISSUE BRIEF Criminalizing Undocumented Immigrants

Is the fact of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws a crime?

No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not, standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that may be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presence alone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegal alien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading.

Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is a misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances. 8 U.S.C. § 1325. But many undocumented immigrants do not enter the United States illegally. They enter legally but overstay, work without authorization, drop out of school or violate the conditions of their visas in some other way. Current estimates are that approximately 45% of undocumented immigrants did not enter illegally. See Pew Hispanic Center, Modes of Entry for the Unauthorized Migrant Population [May 22, 2006].

Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after an individual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned without permission. 8 U.S.C. § 1326 (any individual previously “deported or removed” who “enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in” the United States without authorization may be punished by imprisonment up to two years). Mere undocumented presence in the United States alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry, is not a crime under federal law.
 
 
 
George
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4.1.38  George  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.37    last year

The undocumented can’t get here without entering!!! Period!!!! and that is a criminal act. 
And people who overstayed their visas are not undocumented, the entry was by definition documented. People who enter at a point of entry are documented. What is it that you said? Words have meaning.

 
 
 
Freewill
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4.1.39  Freewill  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.20    last year
Also, generally, working is not a crime for undocumented people.

Unless they had been removed or deported before and returned without authorization. 

Also, those who knowingly employ or continue to employ undocumented workers are indeed committing a crime. So, when they do these raids of places where large numbers of undocumented immigrants are employed, I hope they are arresting the employers as well.  If one wishes to focus on the word "knowingly" on behalf of the employer and suggest that perhaps the documentation provided by the workers was convincing, then oops, that would mean the immigrant falsified or stole the documentation or SS number, which is most certainly a crime.

People like you, who support this militarism and brutality, love to claim that it’s about “enforcing the law,” but you don’t want to hear about how the government might be violating the law.

I'm not a fan of some of the heavy handed methods either, but you have to admit that in the process of doing this particular job, which is focused on enforcing current Federal immigration law, officers will not be greeted with kindness or cooperation by the folks they are detaining and those surrounding them, in any case.  Hence the protection of additional law enforcement is sometimes necessary as they found in LA.  Surely this makes the situation look even worse and more heavy-handed, but necessary for the protection of the officers.  Surely some undocumented who are detained will later be found to only have committed the civil offenses you mentioned above, and by law they will be released.  Do you have evidence that this is not the case?  Otherwise, how might the Government be violating the law as you suggested above?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.40  Tacos!  replied to  George @4.1.38    last year
The undocumented can’t get here without entering!!! Period!!!! and that is a criminal act.

Not when you enter with permission.

the entry was by definition documented

Where did you get that definition? If you had permission, you were documented. When it expires, you no longer have documented permission to be in the country. Are you really going to try to move the goalposts in this way? You’re spinning into silliness now.

Your claim was that the act of being in the US without permission is a crime. It is not. That is a fact. You got it wrong. Why not just concede that and move on?

 
 
 
George
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4.1.41  George  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.40    last year

Being in the US without permission is a crime punishable by jail time, why can’t you admit you are wrong and move on?

AI

Yes, entering the United States without permission is a crime. It is specifically a federal crime under 8 U.S.C. § 1325, which addresses "Improper entry by an alien". This includes entering the country at a time or place other than a designated port of entry, or by making false statements during the entry process.  

Here they talk about incarceration, only for crimes 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.42  Tacos!  replied to  George @4.1.41    last year

The law does not say what you seem to think it does. I am trying to say this and be nice. You are getting it wrong.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @4    last year
When the government becomes brutal, cruel, and lawless

Where is that happening?  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2    last year

This happened yesterday. A huge military convoy and raid on a public park, where there were children in a camp. There is zero evidence that they were actually trying to apprehend anyone in particular. It appears to have been all about making a show and intimidating people.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.1    last year

Wonder when the last time Bass was actually IN Griffith Park? Not too long ago, that place was inhabited by MS-13. Longer ago than that, GP was a hippie hangout with free love and plenty of drugs. Didn't see any kids in the video, but I will take your word for it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.1    last year
There is zero evidence that they were actually trying to apprehend anyone in particular. It appears to have been all about making a show and intimidating people.

There is also zero evidence they were military.

5 seconds into your video disproves your pathetic claim of "a huge military convoy". 

28 seconds into your video does not depict a military vehicle.  US military vehicles don't have license plates.

1:45 is the first indication of a "military vehicle" as HMMWV's are shown.  Not a "military convoy".  But the statement at 5 seconds in, again, disproves your false "military" claim.

Meaning your answer to my question is - It's not happening anywhere.

 
 
 
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4.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2.2    last year

But, but, but,....

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2.2    last year

Ok, you got the park wrong and it seems pretty irrelevant how often the mayor goes to any particular park. But if you were genuinely interested, you could have Googled it.

In fact, she was just there on June 25.

Westlake business owners share detrimental impact of ICE raids with LA mayor

Immigration raids by federal agents across Southern California are having a detrimental effect on entire neighborhoods in many ways. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass visited immigrant-owned businesses in Westlake at MacArthur Park on Friday morning to talk to the business owners about the impact.

She has also spoken publicly about apparent progress in reducing crime in the area, as recently as March.

Don’t get it wrong. I don’t think much of Bass, particularly, but trying to shit on her for not going to the park with whatever frequency you think would be impressive is silly when the issue is a military presence taking over a park.


Didn't see any kids in the video, but I will take your word for it.

Because by the time cameras showed up, smart adults had hustled them to shelter. Watch the video.

All of this was not to capture illegal immigrants, and certainly not criminals. It was to intimidate.

But don’t just take my word for it. Listen to the Border Patrol Chief:

U.S. Border Patrol El Centro Sector Chief Gregory Bovino issued a stark warning to Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass on Monday following an immigration raid at a city park, saying the agency "will go anywhere, anytime we want in Los Angeles."
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.5    last year
She has also spoken publicly about apparent progress in reducing crime in the area, as recently as March.

She should thank ICE for doing that.  

when the issue is a military presence taking over a park.

What military presence?  ICE is not part of the DoD in any form.  Pay attention to the video.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.7  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.3    last year

Do you care about the truth? You could investigate things just a little , if you cared.

US troops on the ground in LA immigration enforcement operation, DOD says

Heavily armed federal border agents and U.S. troops descended upon MacArthur Park in Los Angeles on Monday afternoon as part of an immigration raid that appeared to turn up mostly empty. The operation, which included 90 armed troops and 17 military Humvees, displaced a summer day camp

It is said to watch people twist themselves in knots trying to defend this shit with bullshit excuses like

US military vehicles don't have license plates.

As if a license plate makes it ok.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.7    last year
US troops on the ground in LA immigration enforcement operation, DOD says

It's no secret that DoD has been on the ground in LA supporting ICE.  We've known that for a week now. 

I also notice you are moving the goal posts.  Your reference that I responded to was a youtube video link in 4.2.1.  Now you are posting an article that contradicts the video.  I guess the video didn't back your narrative of what was happening so you had to dig that article up.  And you didn't think I'd notice?   

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.7    last year
As if a license plate makes it ok.

Just pointing out the flaw in your narrative.  If you knew anything about the difference between military vehicle markings and civil vehicle markings it would help you avoid this.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.10  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.8    last year

There’s no contradiction and you are so in love with the government that you will excuse any action and dodge any fact.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.11  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.9    last year
If you knew anything about the difference between military vehicle markings and civil vehicle markings it would help you avoid this.

More irrelevant excuse-making for an oppressive, militaristic government. Disgusting.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.12  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.6    last year
She should thank ICE for doing that.

They didn’t do it, so no, she shouldn’t. The partisan trolling is so tiresome.

 
 
 
Freewill
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4.2.13  Freewill  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.5    last year
All of this was not to capture illegal immigrants, and certainly not criminals. It was to intimidate.

How do you know that?  Isn't it possible that ICE/DHS had probable cause and reason to sweep this particular park given it's known history as a MS-13 focal point, brazen illegal drug trade (including Fentanyl), and sales of phony documents for undocumented immigrants?  Given the strong possibility of encountering MS-13 gang members, potentially armed, does it not make sense for them to make sure the ICE/DHS agents were sufficiently protected by the CNG? 

There is plenty of recorded evidence that this has been true for many years.  Sample article HERE -  MS-13’s Stronghold On MacArthur Park And Transphobia, - from the ThePrideLA, and also reported in the LA Times .

MS-13, a vicious street gang, continues its stronghold on MacArthur Park making it unsafe for many who visit but specifically transgender individuals. 

After a transgender woman was brutally attacked in MacArthur Park on October 2020, which marked the second time in weeks that a transgender woman had been stabbed nearly to death in the Los Angeles park by members of MS-13, a street gang that considers the park the heart of its territory.

Members of MS-13, who have a tight hold on MacArthur Park, have made it clear that they are motivated by a hateful, bigoted desire to rid their turf of transgender people.

The women had been paying members of MS-13 a weekly fee — “taxes” in the gang’s words — simply for permission to be in the park, according to police reports and interviews with victims and the police. They were among the street vendors, drug dealers, sex workers, shopkeepers and others who every day must pay for a commodity those in more affluent neighborhoods do not even know exists — the right to be left alone by a gang.

It has been made clear that MS-13 has been a bullying force in the MacArthur Park area for quite some time based on search warrant affidavits, police reports and other records filed in court and interviewed police officers and victims of MS-13.

Even long time businesses around the area have been extorted by MS-13 and are concerned about the rampant crime and drugs to the point where they fear they will have to close their doors.  The park has also become a central location for the sale of fake documents to undocumented immigrants.  Mayor Bass is well aware of this but has done little in the last few years to alleviate the problems, as described in this LA Times article and this article at .The Center Square .

The international MS-13 gang originated nearby, and decades of reporting noted the park’s centrality in the sale of fake identification to illegal immigrants and its function as the city’s largest open-air drug market.

Reporters in a 2006 NPR   investigation   of illicit sales in MacArthur Park were approached by identification sellers six times in 20 minutes. The journalists noted the going rate for a “completely new identity” is “around a hundred bucks.” 

Burbank’s report found that the Los Angeles Police Department had just two officers assigned to the fake documents unit for the area, and was only shutting down one fake document mill per month. LAPD officers told Burbank they’d need 25 officers to properly do the job

By 2023, the area had yet again become a “hub for fentanyl sales and consumption,” with the Los Angeles Daily News’   investigation   finding skyrocketing shoplifting was in part driven by addicts stealing to fuel their addiction.

As pointed out in previous posts on this thread above, the timing of the raid on the park had been leaked and the criminals that ICE was after were not there, hence ICE's quick departure from the site once that was discovered. 

 

U.S. Border Patrol El Centro Sector Chief Gregory Bovino  issued a stark warning to Los Angeles Mayor  Karen Bass  on Monday following an immigration raid at a city park, saying the agency "will go anywhere, anytime we want in Los Angeles."

Sure, and the context was enforcement of Federal immigration law. He and other Federal officers also told the NYPost:

But ICE and Border Patrol sources told The Post that they were there to try and help clean up the park, which has long been plagued by gang activity, homelessness and drug addicts overdosing on fentanyl and animal tranquilizers.

“This pisses me off. She is scared for the kid’s safety … due to immigration officials at the park, but never scared for their safety when the park is filled with homeless, drugs, MS-13 and violence,” a federal law enforcement source fumed.

“Make it make sense,” they added.

Perhaps it was meant to intimidate, but the criminals that have controlled that park for many years, having heard it was coming, had bugged out.  So ICE left as well to regroup and figure out how to find those criminals they came for.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.14  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.10    last year
There’s no contradiction

You should pay closer attention to what you post.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.15  Tacos!  replied to  Freewill @4.2.13    last year
How do you know that?

Because the director kinda said so. That bit about going anywhere, anytime they want. Also, they appeared to be filming the event, and the guys in the trucks stayed in the trucks, instead of sweeping the park for bad guys. They didn’t make one arrest. They didn’t even attempt to arrest anyone. It was all show.

Isn't it possible that ICE/DHS had probable cause and reason to sweep this particular park given it's known history as a MS-13 focal point, brazen illegal drug trade (including Fentanyl), and sales of phony documents for undocumented immigrants?

I’m not here to defend MacArthur Park. The whole Westlake area has been a shithole for decades. The city has been working on it, and has allegedly made some progress. Federal agents are probably more in-the-way than helpful. Part of the problem with the way they operate is that they don’t give a shit what the city might be trying to achieve in that area. They just stomp in like an abusive husband declaring they will do what they want whenever they feel like it.

Also, a location and its history is not probable cause on its own. It can contribute to the formulation of a particularized reasonable suspicion, but it doesn’t mean the government can just invade a park and treat everyone there like a criminal. I’m not saying they treated anyone in particular like that on this occasion, but their performance implies they would. Doing so would tend to violate the 4th Amendment.

 
 
 
charger 383
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5  charger 383    last year

Why do some like and defend illegal aliens so much?   

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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5.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  charger 383 @5    last year

i don't believe it is because people wish to "like and defend illegal aliens so much", it has more to do with the legality and methods of these raids and deportations that have not followed due process. It starts with illegals, yet Trump has already stated he would like to send 'Americans' away as well. Legal citizens are rightfully concerned as people speaking their own objections to Trump, have been targeted for deportation. Trump is not upholding OUR CONSTITUTION. He wants to pick and choose which rights we get, and any way you look at that, IT IS WRONG. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Igknorantzruls @5.1    last year
He wants to pick and choose which rights we get,

yep

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    last year

That is just plain silly reasoning...........and I think you both know it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Igknorantzruls @5.1    last year
it has more to do with the legality and methods of these raids and deportations that have not followed due process.

It's following the same precedent that has been set by previous administrations.  The only difference is who is in charge.  You all were silent when certain administrations detained and deported millions.  But THIS administration does exactly the same thing and you all set your hair on fire.  

It starts with illegals, yet Trump has already stated he would like to send 'Americans' away as well.

Link for this would be...where?

He wants to pick and choose which rights we get

So we are just going to run with the unfounded musings of those in mid tantrum?  

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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5.1.4  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.3    last year
It starts with illegals, yet Trump has already stated he would like to send 'Americans' away as well.
Link for this would be...where?

When Trump was chatting with El Salvadorian leader explaining how he 'couldnt' get the unlawfully deprted dude back, that of course he could have, as proven by doing so.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Igknorantzruls @5.1.4    last year

Link for this would be...where?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Igknorantzruls @5.1.4    last year

here's a link

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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5.1.7  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.6    last year

thank U T G, i know what i know, because i expose myself to more than just right wing echoes that lie often

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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5.1.8  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.5    last year

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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5.1.9  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.5    last year
Link for this would be...where?

there/s two links for you, so, what is your question now ?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Igknorantzruls @5.1.8    last year

Facebook?  Your source is talking head on Facebook?  Oh now that's fkng HILARIOUS.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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5.1.11  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.10    last year

What is hilarious, is you unable to admit you have received video, video of Trump doing exactly what I claimed, by Trout, and myself. Trump states it, and has numerous times, he wants to send American Citizens exiled to other countries prisons. Yep, that’s your boy 

 
 
 
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Today's story. Threatening to murder the children of ICE agents. 

NEW: A New York man has been arrested & charged federally for allegedly threatening to murder an ICE agent & his children. HSI says 43-year-old Matthew White of Jamestown, NY, posted on X about an ICE agent: "I can't wait to put a bullet into his brain, but first his children."

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8  Jeremy Retired in NC    last year

Has anybody else noticed that the MSM bloggers didn't mention that an officer was shot in their reporting? 

The very same bloggers that shrieked like harpies about the January 6th protest and fanboy'd the BLM Riots are silent about an officer getting shot by, what is now being alleged,  a group of ANTIFA group.

 
 

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