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Christianity Must Control All Of Culture, Or It Won’t Control Any Of It

  

Category:  Religion & Ethics

Via:  hallux  •  last year  •  29 comments

By:   Hayden Daniel - The Federalist

Christianity Must Control All Of Culture, Or It Won’t Control Any Of It

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


Since the launch of their flagship TV show all the way back in 2013, Chip and Joanna Gaines have created a veritable fixer-upper empire. From that single   HGTV hit , they expanded into spin-off shows, bestselling books, and a whole range of products bearing their   stamp of approval . They eventually founded   their own network   to host their ever-expanding brand.

There were, and still are, a seemingly unending number of home renovation shows, but the Gaineses managed to rise above the herd due to their natural charm and their wholesome image centered around family values and their Christian faith. They were successful entrepreneurs who seemed to balance work with a large, happy family and   openly professed   their religious beliefs.

Conservative Christians could find some comfort in the fact that, while the vast majority of modern culture either explicitly mocked or conveniently ignored Christian values, at least one cultural phenomenon affirmed them.

But, as the Gaines brand grew ever more mainstream, cracks began to show in the facade. The Gaineses partnered exclusively with Target for their “Hearth and Hand” line of   home decor products . But business clashed with personal values once Target became the subject of a massive boycott in 2023 in response to the retail giant   selling pro-transgender merchandise , some of which was designed by a self-proclaimed Satanist. Chip and Joanna Gaines chose to remain silent on that controversy.

Only a few years later, they moved from quiet complicity to outright endorsement with their latest show:   Back to the Frontier . The show’s premise is simple enough: take modern-day city slickers out into the wilderness and see if they could make it as 19th-century pioneers. The trouble comes with the show’s choice of casting. The Gaineses, who are professing Christians and attend a church that preaches the biblical definition of marriage, chose to cast a gay couple who have two sons through   surrogacy .

But once the backlash started, the Gaineses didn’t choose to stay silent. They doubled down, falling back on the same out-of-context quotes about loving everyone and not judging others that have been used to silence Christians for decades.

“Talk, ask qustns, listen.. maybe even learn. Too much to ask of modern American Christian culture. Judge 1st, understand later/never It’s a sad sunday when ‘non believers’ have never been confronted with hate or vitriol until they are introduced to a modern American Christian,” Chip posted Sunday on X.

This has become an all too common pattern. Once a nominally Christian or conservative cultural product becomes sufficiently popular, its creators start to give in to the pressures of the dominant, left-wing cultural atmosphere and soon enough are completely subverted. The hit TV show   The Chosen   represents another recent example.

As my colleague Jordan Boyd   pointed out , the hit Christian TV show came under fire in 2023 after eagle-eyed viewers spotted an LGBT pride flag on camera equipment during a behind-the-scenes video of the show’s set. The show didn’t seem bothered by the flag’s presence, and it even handwaved the whole incident, chalking it up to the imperfection of man: “We ask that audiences let the show speak for itself and focus on the message, not the messenger, because we’ll always let you down.”

The lesson from these incidents is not that Christian cultural products are incapable of breaking through into the cultural mainstream without becoming compromised. It’s that they can’t break through in isolation. The left’s stranglehold on almost every facet of modern culture — TV, movies, video games, literature, art, etc. — allows them to either smother or co-opt and subvert any ostensibly conservative effort to effect the wider culture.




And much of it happens without any direct pressure because there are certain incentives in place that encourage cultural producers to go along with the current dominant cultural atmosphere. The Gaineses know that speaking out against pushing transgenderism onto kids could upset a highly lucrative business partnership with Target. They know that having a gay couple on their show ticks a diversity box that our wider culture cares about. Therefore, they have both economic and social incentives to toe the line on leftist values.

There is no such power on the right, which has to resort to more direct action like boycotts, precisely because it does not have a monopoly on the cultural institutions in this country in the way that the left indisputably does. As a result, conservative cultural values have been relegated to being   countercultural   — a real-life contradiction in terms that nonetheless is the current state of play. While the right’s counterculture has gained quite a bit of popularity on the right itself, it has failed to break through into the mainstream without encountering the type of subversion that has befallen the Gaines brand or   The Chosen . A counterculture can only ever survive in particular enclaves, or else it risks becoming too popular and subject to subversion.

The solution: Christianity, and conservatism more broadly, must control all of the culture, or it won’t control any of it. It has to break through on every front simultaneously in order to reestablish a permanent grip on the culture. We often forget that Christianity was the mainstream culture of the West for almost a millennium and a half, and quite successfully so, after beginning as a counterculture. But Christianity was only able to become the mainstream cultural force after it completely replaced the old pagan Roman culture. Christianity’s hegemonic grip on the West has only been weakened and then broken in the last century or so. We used to call it Christendom. Back then, it would have been unfathomable for Christianity to have so little an effect on the wider culture as it does today — primarily because it  was  the wider culture.

Christianity needs to hold the same monopoly that the left currently holds over our culture, or it will continue to fight a losing battle against the forces that wish to extinguish religion and religious values from our society. The culture war is truly a zero-sum game, and only total victory will safeguard our values.


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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    last year

This morning ‘we’ were blessed with another article by Federalist editor Hayden Daniel who by all appearances would edit every dictionary in order to squeeze the square peg of conservatism into the roundabout hole of MAGAism.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1    last year

I'm ecstatic that thumpers have aligned themselves with the rwnj aristocracy, white supremacists, and the neo-nazis. it'll make cleanup so much easier ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2  Trout Giggles    last year

What? Control the culture?

How about they get a clue and move into the 21st century? There are others living in this society who are not Christians. Do they want to subvert the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc,. too?

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1  evilone  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    last year
Do they want to subvert the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc,. too?

Of course they do. They've outright stated it. Some still believe they should do it by sword and flame.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    last year
How about they get a clue and move into the 21st century?

I thought this was one of the funniest paragraphs:

The Gaineses, who are professing Christians and attend a church that preaches the biblical definition of marriage, chose to cast a gay couple who have two sons through surrogacy. But once the backlash started, the Gaineses didn’t choose to stay silent. They doubled down, falling back on the same out-of-context quotes about loving everyone and not judging others that have been used to silence Christians for decades.

LOL! What the actual fuck? How is defending treating gay couples as normal by choosing to show love and empathy and choosing not to judge "out-of-context"? It is EXACTLY the context. You can't get more on point than that. But it is hilarious how some head up their ass Christians try and backward walk their mental contortions that will allow them to not feel guilty about treating others with disdain and contempt all while preaching love and forgiveness.

 
 
 
evilone
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3  evilone    last year
 Christianity, and conservatism more broadly, must control all of the culture, or it won’t control any of it.

I still find it sad that some people feel that controlling how other people live somehow makes them feel superior. I'm still trying to find the logic...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @3    last year

Progressives claiming others want to control people’s lives… never doubt projection exists. 

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.1  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    last year

Anything to say on the actual topic? 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    last year
Progressives claiming others want to control people’s lives… never doubt projection exists. 

Religious conservatives pretending that they aren't attempting to force their brand of religious morality into our schools, courthouses, legislature and every public space in contradiction to the establishment clause should probably stop trying to point out the speck of dust in progressives eye so they can work on removing that fucking TIMBER in their own.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.3  Snuffy  replied to  evilone @3.1.1    last year

To be honest I think that is on topic. Take any group in the world, and within it you will find a subset that wants to push their groups beliefs on everybody else. This unfortunately is human nature. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.3    last year

I don't think it was

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.5  evilone  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.3    last year
To be honest I think that is on topic.

I disagree. 

Take any group in the world, and within it you will find a subset that wants to push their groups beliefs on everybody else.

If we were talking about a group of Progressives that want to legislate another group of people out of existence then I'd probably agree they ware stupid too. 

This unfortunately is human nature. 

Unfortunately logic isn't and all of humanity is paying that price.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    last year

Christian nationalism is inextricably entwined with white supremacy.  "Western civilization" has long been a code , in some circles, for "keep America white". 

I made a seed yesterday with a video of the progressive media figure Mehdi Hasan debating 20 far right young conservatives. Almost without exception the 20 young "conservatives" espoused a mix of anti-government beliefs, anti-constitution beliefs,  anti-multicultural beliefs , and pro beliefs in autocracy. 

Personally I think such people will always be in the minority, America has always been a secular nation, by design, but by the same token the issue will always be on the verge of doubt.  Will enough of us step up? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4    last year
the progressive media figure Mehdi Hasan

Have you ever paid any attention to what Hasan's goals are for religion controlling people's lives?  Funny to you cite a guy who calls non-Muslims Kaffir.....

But that's progressivism.  Queer activists wearing keffiyehs and chanting to globalize the intifada..  Good luck with that. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    last year

Every single one of the young conservatives Hasan debated on that video held one or, usually more, extremist beliefs.  I know that and, if you watched it, you know that.  To not look down the road and not see the coming calamity should their beliefs prevail is the height of indifference. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.2  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    last year
Hasan's goals are for religion controlling people's lives

Do digress ...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    last year

To not look down the road and not see the coming calamity should their beliefs prevail is the height of indifference. 

do you think it would be a calamity if Mehdi Hasan’s beliefs prevailed?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    last year
It has to break through on every front simultaneously in order to reestablish a permanent grip on the culture. We often forget that Christianity was the mainstream culture of the West for almost a millennium and a half, and quite successfully so, after beginning as a counterculture.

There are reasons why "Christianity" dominated the culture of western civilization for many many hundreds of years.  Three of them are 

the world was pre-Darwinism (a convincing argument for the natural world that didnt need a God)

the world was pre - modern science (which has pretty successfully shown the universe does not revolve around human beings)

the world was pre- psychology (which has shown human beings are motivated by unconscious urges)

These three developments gradually eviscerated the necessity of the dominance of Christianity. 

And, if God exists, and if Jesus is the son of God and the Redeemer, God is good with all this. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.4    last year
-Darwinism (a convincing argument for the natural world that didnt need a God)

the world was pre - modern science (which has pretty successfully shown the universe does not revolve around human beings)

the world was pre- psychology (which has shown human beings are motivated by unconscious urges

The world is post all those things and large swaths of the west are lining up in support of an Islamic death cult. Lenin identified the left's tendency to be useful idiots for authoritarians and the Hasans of the world just keep using the same playbook. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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4.2  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @4    last year
PAmerica has always been a secular nation, by design, 

Incorrect. The government was designed to function secularly, not the nation. The constitution no more forced secularism on the nation than it did religion. Those things were left up to the individual.  

 
 
 
charger 383
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5  charger 383    last year

     "Christianity Must Control All Of Culture, Or It Won’t Control Any Of It"

With that attitude it gets to control none. Religion is a voluntary activity and choice

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1  evilone  replied to  charger 383 @5    last year
Religion is a voluntary activity and choice

My ex-wife, for one, thinks Evangelicals should use violence to force their control. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilone @5.1    last year

Part of the reason she's an ex now?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  evilone @5.1    last year
My ex-wife, for one, thinks Evangelicals should use violence to force their control. 

She's not the only evangelical that feels that way.

According to a  survey of more than 6000 Americans  conducted earlier this year,  adherents  of Christian nationalism are almost seven times as likely as  rejectors  of Christian nationalism to support political violence. Forty percent agreed with the statement “Because things have gotten so far off track, true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country.” America Appears to be Heading for a Religious Civil War | Religion Dispatches
 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.3  evilone  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.1    last year
Part of the reason she's an ex now?

She joined when we separated. 

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.4  evilone  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.2    last year
She's not the only evangelical that feels that way.

Yes, I'm aware.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  charger 383 @5    last year
Religion is a voluntary activity and choice

While that may be true for most of us here in the US (I say 'most' because there are still some counties where not being of the religion of the area and conforming isn't without cost) that can't be said for everyone on this planet. Religion is essentially compulsory in some countries; you either conform or are persecuted and cut off from society or worse.

 
 
 
charger 383
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5.2.1  charger 383  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.2    last year

Yes; but, I am concerned with keeping it a choice and voluntary activity here. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.3  Drakkonis  replied to  charger 383 @5    last year
Religion is a voluntary activity and choice

Agreed. I have no problem with people voting their religious conscience. However, those who think that they have some God ordained mission to subjugate everyone under Christianity have lost the plot. Christianity is not, nor has it ever been intended as a means of national governance. One need only look at the history of the RCC to see that. 

 
 

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