The future of MAGA
Link to quote: JD Vance Maps Out a Future for the Tech and MAGA Right - POLITICO
The radical left in America wanted to believe that the MAGA movement would not last without Donald Trump. I think they now know that it will survive and probably flourish after Trump is gone.
When Trump picked JD Vance to be his VP many thought it to be a critical mistake since he was after all, a white male from a red state and brought nothing different to the ticket. However, those perceptions were changed as soon as the sharp & witty Vance began appearing on msm news shows where he outdebated everyone who took him on.
Added to the mix is the very capable and highly respected Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who is a recent convert to MAGA and there is now a real concern on the radical left that MAGA is here to stay.
It should also be noted that there is a counterrevolution to the left worldwide. It is evident in Europe where the UK has resorted to censorship and Germany where one political party has been demonized, yet continues to grow in popularity, in France where everything is being done to preserve the status quo and even in Italy with the rise of Giorgia Meloni.
No, the Republican Party is never going back to Bob Dole, John McCain or Mitt Romney.
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We can expect more violence from them as their fate becomes more evident.
The end of their reign is near.
here's the future of maga right here. wandering around aimlessly, as if he's looking for the prime minister ...
gee, I wonder what his MRI was about, that the white house tried to hide ...
Actually. That was okay. It appears to me that he was being ushered about the room/presentation. This occurs when physical cues are given (non-verbal hand 'steering') and not verbal steering.
Sometimes, ahead of the proceeding, a leader (or his/her staff) can be prepped as to how to 'proceed' through a formality/ceremony. That appears not to have been the case here. 
I remember when First Lady Michelle Obama mistook a que and while standing directly next to Queen Elizabeth II slid her arm behind the back and waist of the Queen. And, during the same state visit, President Obama started an 'official' toast and had to pause mid-sentence as the Queen anthem began to loudly play over the assemblage.
This little article is pure propaganda.
You think MAGA dies when Trump leaves?
Where will they find an imbecile of Trump’s magnitude to replace him? That is a heavy lift.
For an imbecile he has overcome everything the scum tossed at him. I'd say that is quite impressive. Looking at your side of the equation, I'm wondering if democrats will ever win another election. I guess the left is down to hoping for a recession.
Overcome? Lol. He has no conscience, no shame, no sense of dignity, no pride, no patriotism, no honesty. Thats not overcoming anything, it’s just a type of armor that nobody would ever want for themselves but him. He is a pig and proud of it. Sorry pigs, didn’t mean to drag you down to that level.
Aside from name-calling, are you going to weigh in on whether MAGA lives without him?
MAGA is as self destructive as it is government destructive. Good governance is pruning overgrowth, not ripping it out at the roots. MAGA is feeling the pain of their own doing as we speak. They will eventually be relying on the federal government to bail them out of the positions they have cornered themselves into.
For several years they will be like the waning seasons of The Apprentice that required successively worse characters to maintain interest. You could be a finalist along with Laura Loomer.
I'll take that as a: you don't know.
You always like to bring me into it.
I'll add you to the don't know list.
Anyone else?
No more than you actually know, though you obviously think you do. Trump is old and his time is physiologically limited. He’s using every minute of that to destroy what he won’t be around to suffer through. MAGA thinks he’s doing a great job, because MAGA couldn’t govern itself out of a paper bag.
Our readers are likely to disagree.
Still no answer?
When you look at Trump these days, he looks like shit. His eyes droop , his speech has slowed considerably and when he walks he looks like he is dragging himself around. Visually he is utterly unimpressive. And then he opens his mouth and it gets much worse.
My opinion is glaringly obvious. Stop pretending that any of us knows anything about an answer to your question. Trump is as likely to turn the planet in a radioactive pile of dust over the rest of his term as maga is to become a permanent fixture. He does not care what happens to a planet he is not permitted to continue living in. That is who he is.
Fair enough.
I have a doctor appointment anyway.
Have a good one.
maga pedophiles will continue to thrive with the help of their christo-fascist facilitators ...
Not a single one with more than half a brain could possibly disagree.
Trump has drowned MAGA in Newt Gingrich's bathtub. Look at the quoted text: "Vance argued, the Trump administration’s economic agenda — which combines protectionist tariff policies, deregulation, strict immigration restrictions and tax cuts for corporations".
Where's the government investment in economic development and industrial growth? Tariffs combined with tax cuts is the moron's approach. That's TEA Party on steroids.
Tariffs only work if the government becomes directly involved in expanding the industrial base. The government needs to be directly engaged in industrial research and increased efforts to transfer technology to industry. The policy environment needs to include tangible incentives like fast-tracking depreciation, providing tax incentives & labor subsidies for job creation, more government resources to speed regulatory review and compliance, and a host of other production related incentives. The government must raise taxes on paper speculation, hoarding behavior, and unnecessary middleman functions, and host of other drains on a productive economy.
MAGA is supposed to be about the idea that American works when people work. That's going to require more than punishing people. If people are supposed to work then the priority is to create jobs. And that's going to require direct government involvement in the private sector. MAGA is not supposed to be only about the money. The TEA Party focuses on money and ignores everything else. That's what J.D. Vance is advocating, focusing on money and ignoring everything else.
The man's mendacity is going to eventually wear MAGA support out. Just wait and see. BTW, Trump has traveled this life alone doing his own 'bidding'. . .once he decides he is "too big" for MAGA, y'all become the "extreme Right" to his mind. Also, he is aging 'poorly.'
I guess they will have to follow the left as they tried to vote in a DEA VP to follow a dementia P
You mean like the democratic party with a 19 percent (probably less now( approval rating?
That self destruction?
Yes it is.....and very wrong
I guess they will have to follow the left as they tried to vote in a DEA VP to follow a dementia P
Did you just glitch?! Your handler should submit a ticket to IT and get this resolved immediately.
Really?
Are we talking about the same guy?
No but let me put it in language you can understand...
I guess they will have to follow the left as they tried to vote in a DEI Vice President to follow a dementia riddled President
DEI vice-president? Demeaning rhetoric-is that all some MAGA supporters 'got'? Well, Some MAGA supporters, especially the so-called "evangelical wing," think so less of their "God" that they gave the job of president to the biggest JERK in the country simply because they could not 'cope' with Others being on the same level as themselves. . . or better. Others do not care about how high' conservatives rise.
Vance lacks the panache of Trump, but he is smarter in a crappy way.
I figure that they will use AI to keep Trump "alive" and pushing stupid ideas that will ruin the economy. At least that is the rumor that I am starting here.
Vance, I will agree, sure can misrepresent others and tell a lie with a 'straight' face. Thus, in that regard he is a very dangerous guy to permit to hold sway over 'us.'
I don't care who you are or why you're posting, that has to be the best slam of the year
You keep talking about the TEA Party as if it's still relevant. MAGA used the TEA Party to advance into power and dumped them when it worked. I've not heard about Grover Norquist in years. Not since he was attacked by MAGA for having an Arab wife.
If not, the next Dem president should use the DOJ to go after any and all MAGA supporters.
The last one already did that, remember?
It can get worse. . . a lot worse. . . before it gets better. I pray God touches the spirit of this current president and his MAGA supporters—especially the so-called "evangelical Right" to seek truth and to reject errored-thinking. . . and the guile and lying everyday of the week just so as to be different than Others. Lord, let us remember that we are 'One' people borne out of many and do better for all once again.
Maybe we could send them to reeducation camps?
But I think he meant Grover Norquist's bathtub. He was the Republican quoted as saying "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub".
As a MAGA supporter here writes from time to time: 'I have no clue what you are writing about' - care to further elaborate or should I just let it 'go'? I await your reply.
You said their thinking was erroneous. How would you like to correct it?
There are no doubt millions among the MAGA crowd who think that's what's needed for the liberals and lgtbq community in America. Like this elected Michigan Republicans husband who I'm sure would be a fan of reeducation camps.
It's not a mystery as to why the alt-right neo-Nazi's and white supremacists support Trump and the Republican party. When the rest of us are watching in horror as the Trump Gestapo harass citizens, shoot pepper balls at priest's heads and demand papers of any brown skinned people on the street, the neo-Nazis are cheering and applauding.
I don't know what he would "like," but I do know that Hillary Clinton already called for it:
Failed 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton called supporters of former President Donald Trump “cult members” who require “formal deprogramming” while explaining in a CNN interview why Democrats needed to defeat the Republican front-runner and his allies.
Hillary Clinton calls for 'formal deprogramming' of Trump supporters
So maybe you would like to answer my question, since CB couldn't understand it?
Let's talk about what MAGA supporters-especially the so-called, "evangelical Right," will not publicly.
With so many versions of Christian beliefs: Which branch on the Christian 'tree' should the citizens of this nation give 'dominion' over us? Which?
These poor evangelical fools that have resolved to compel our nation to accept their OPINION (faith) as "all and all"- do not realize what a mess Christianity has made of itself when it can not even decide (or have wisdom to declare) which version or versions of its OPINION about God is ACCURATE and FIT for a great people like us!
(Note: I love my faith/belief/opinion) but I am willing to openly discuss its truth (or error) in public and let it defend itself or not! My faith will either stand or fall on its own merits.)
The corrective action is for God to bring forward spiritually towards all of us. Lord, let our country rediscover or even newly accept the love for all its people of goodwill. It is time for all this bitterness, distrust, and hatred to end in the hearts and minds of all our citizenry so we can become a HEALTHY people once more-or once and for all. And Lord, let those whom are exploiting our nation receive their just desserts in time. . . for what they do is proper wickedness and we can not accept it.
Is He doing that?
Who is "He"? Please be clear if you reply.
Dammit. Now I remember that it loses some of its originality.
He is the God you mentioned and that I quoted you on.
You said that he needs "to bring forward spiritually towards all of us."
I'm asking if He is doing that? Maybe I should have asked if anyone is looking for him? How about those Gospel Churches in Chicago? Are they reaching out to the community? Or has the community abandoned the Church?
God is a Spirit (not flesh), thus God has no gender despite the biblical anthropomorphism (us) in the Bible. Were God a "Man" - god would be subject to the deficiencies of men (such as lying; stealing; cheating, and so forth and so on). Thus, God is Spirit and it befits the entity to be so.
As for what God is doing towards MAGA. . . who knows? It does appear that 'combat' is what MAGA is expressing—albeit political combat at the present alone.
The bible says this about God:
Lord, let our country rediscover or even newly accept the love for all its people of goodwill. It is time for all this bitterness, distrust, and hatred to end in the hearts and minds of all our citizenry so we can become a HEALTHY people once more-or once and for all. And Lord, let those individuals-high and low-exploiting our nation receive their just desserts in time. . . for what they do is proper wickedness and we can not accept it.
You best deliver the word to the churches in urban America.
Good luck.
Prayer is good for all needing it, Vic! By the way, what do you have to write about "equity" now that you can positively read about it in the bible?
What does the Our Father say? Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us?
Been awhile since I said that prayer. I use to get 5 of those for penance when I went to confession
I don't think it's a smart idea these days to be around large groups of evangelicals ...
what, no cash handy to buy off the priest? were you over the age of 14 at the time?
I don't carry cash and they don't take credit cards
Well, I have done a great many things in my life; but directly pay a priest for 'services rendered' ain't one of those.
I got married by a priest and I think we only had to give a donation to the parish.
In my versions, plural, of faith. . .I had pastors (but not a priest - I should be clear about that). I do understand paying for such services to church officials. Weddings, funerals, and such "we" generally-speaking would give a STIPEND to the church 'practitioner' for services rendered. You reminded me of that just now.
Seriously John - coming from you?
Did you expect anything else? It's like listening to a Shari Lewis never ending ditty sung by Lamb Chop.
I'm as usual, just trying to be helpful.
When I read this "news" column, all I expect is delusion.
Well, you are at a disadvantage John. Think about all that you read & listen to.
That's why he considers this column delusional
That was my point
Not the way I meant it.
BTW, has anybody seen the latest horrible truck disaster, courtesy of the sanctuary state of California?
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FOX is a mixture of schadenfreude and freudenschade, it reeks of it.
That happens to be hard news.
We can't blame the trucking companies. They see a CDL License and believe it was earned.
I heard last night that officials at the CA DMV can't even ask someone their legal status. Meanwhile these people are driving huge trailer trucks on our highways like suicide bombers. Will Canada take them?
Did FOX also mention the other 500,000 accidents involving trucks every year that resulted in 5,778 fatalities and 154,993 injuries? Can't do that, not when there's an ax to grind ... eh!
Are you really going to defend putting unqualified drivers behind the wheel of tractor trailers because there are always accidents?
That is an insane argument.
Are you oblivious to the motivations of your usual sources? Scary stuff!
It's the same as the "Americans commit murder, therefore we should be okay with allowing illegals to commit murders that could be prevented by keeping them out of the country. " It truly is insane.
Yes, and Americans commit murders and assorted felonies all over the world. In your world view nobody should be allowed outside their own borders. Americans have murdered more Americans here in America than all the wars we were ever in.
That is completly unresponsive and incoherent. For starters, you need to appreciate the difference between legal and illegal immigration. I'm fine with legal immigration.
rdered more Americans here in America than all the wars we were ever in.
Again, trying to rationalize letting illegal aliens murder Americans. Why is ensuring illegals murder Americans such a fundamental issue to the left? Total lack of empathy for Americans whose deaths are preventable.
Watch the video. This was not just an accident. They guy drove into vehicles that were stopped.
Actually, the trucking companies are culpable in this as well. FMCSRs require criminal backgrounds to be checked, drug screening and driving history to be checked. An illegal with an illegal CDL will be quickly identified during this process and these trucking companies should be making the necessary reports to law enforcement.
At the same time California should be issuing CDL's in accordance with the FMCSRs.
Reality this whole thing starts with the Democrats, California and the trucking companies.
Maybe you should do your own article about the accidents instead of trying to deflect.
That is one helluva lame assed post. The simple fact is that if the drugged up pos illegal hadn’t been given a cdl the crash he caused never would have happened. The three dead Americans would still be alive. Some Americans pay the ultimate price because of liberal policies towards illegals while other liberals act like “so what, there are lots of accidents.” Smfh at the blatant, callous, stupidity.
No, the problem MAGA has is a lack of authenticity. We won't be manipulated by Right-winger agenda.
He was on drugs.
No doubt. Sikh's frown on imbibing intoxicating drugs so apparently he was high on American freedom. This guy was just escaping an oppressive, intolerant society that infringed on his God given right to choose. Even atheists defend those God given rights.
Really?
A 21-year-old Indian national, Jashanpreet Singh, has been arrested after allegedly driving a semi-truck while under the influence of drugs and causing a fiery eight-vehicle crash on Interstate 10 in Ontario, Southern California.
Sikh illegal immigrant driver, high on drugs, kills 3 in US truck crash; White House blames California - Connected to India News I Singapore l UAE l UK l USA l NRI
Yeah, really. Singh is as Sikh as Trump is American. They're fakers, frauds, cheats. Singh wanted to escape Sikh tradition that frowns on imbibing intoxicating drugs. That's why he is in the United States to escape his own values, traditions, history, and heritage. Jashanpreet Singh wanted the TEA Party freedom that Trump exemplifies. And America suffers the consequences of both.
Another illegal alien "asylum seeker" with an illegal CDL from the Shithole State. 3 more deaths and multiple injuries brought to you by the Democrats border policy.
I'm told that in California everyone is concerned but nobody speaks about it.
He flattened those cars in front of him like they were pancakes.
I spend a good deal of time on X nowadays. There are rumblings over there.
Proof?
Shit happens! Wait! Does this mean he will be a feature in the mid-term on the right casted as a (among many) "boogeymen"?
Ah, the midterms!
That will be very interesting.
Sounds like DOT is on the job! Ban of CDLS in this case is appropriate.
Just let anyone drive those huge trucks?
Out in California they are doing it. Shhhhh ...don't say anything.
Too late. . . the 'cat' is out the bag and running down the proverbial street in sight of everybody!
This is not about voting. It is about companies properly vetting their drivers ... their employees in general.
Wrong again. It is about licensing:
U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy warned Sunday that he is about make good on a threat to revoke millions in federal funds for California because he says the state is illegally issuing commercial driver’s licenses to noncitizens.
Duffy said Sunday that California has unlawfully issued tens of thousands of these licenses to noncitizens.
“So you have 60,000 people on the roads who shouldn’t have licenses,” Duffy said. “They’re driving fuel tankers, they’re driving school buses, and we have seen some of the crashes on American roadways that come from these people who shouldn’t have these licenses.”
Duffy said earlier this month that he would withhold $40 million from California because it is the only state that is failing to enforce English language requirements for truckers. California defended its practices in a formal response to the Transportation Department, but federal officials were not satisfied.
Transportation secretary says he will pull $160M from California over noncitizen truck licenses
Not even wrong the first time. You merely declaring wrong is meaningless.
Employers are ultimately responsible for the people they hire and the positions they have them take on their behalf.
If an employer hires someone who should not have a license and puts them behind the wheel, they acted irresponsibly.
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The US Transportation Secretary begs to differ.
I only hope that the migrant state of California loses funding.
Why do you take the word of a Trump sycophant as legitimate?
This is not rule of man, Vic, it is rule of law. Go by the law and documented regulations. For example:
The rule of law vs rule of a man used to be a core principle of conservatism. It remains a fundamental tenet of the CotUS. Do you support ignoring the CotUS when it comes to partisan beliefs? ( rhetorical question at this point )
It is really common sense TiG:
"The Federal CDL requirements apply to all states within the US – before you even apply for your CDL, you will have to secure a CLP – commercial learner’s permit – which will grant you the opportunity to begin training.
Asides from the Federal CDL requirements applicable to all of America, there are also a number of other requirements that differ depending on the state:
Minimum Requirement to Apply for a Commercial Learner’s Permit (CLP) or a Commercial Driver’s License (CDL)
New Federal CDL Requirements
The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMSCA) has made plenty of changes in recent years with regards to compliance requirements.
The FMSCA is in place to monitor and assess the safety of road use within the commercial trucking industry, and so many changes are often made to minimize risk to drivers and other road users.
Here are a few recent changes:
For more information on these changes, you can read on the FMSCA website .
Medical and Physical Requirements
Different types of driving jobs require different levels of physical capability, but overall, a driver must be physically able to operate a commercial motor vehicle and display an ability to keep up with other non-trucking duties.
The role requires long periods of time spent driving and will often result in a driver developing irregular sleeping patterns and will severely restrict their schedule – this in itself could cause a great deal of work-related stress.
Certain aspects of the job will also require that the driver partake in heavy lifting while loading or unloading the vehicle – this involves a great deal of physical activity and will require a certain level of fitness.
To become a truck driver, you must hold a valid DOT card (a Medical Examiners Certificate) or at the very least, a valid photographic copy of it.
This document is one of the Federal requirements of holding a CDL or CLP as it certifies that you have met and satisfied all mental and physical standards required for the role of operating a commercial motor vehicle.
You must always have this document (or a photocopy) on your person.
CDL Self Certification
As previously noted, a regulation was implemented in 2014 whereby all commercial drivers must self-certify their medical information and may only use medical practitioners who are listed on the NMR (National Medical Registry)
All truck drivers are now permitted to self-certify the kind of vehicle they will be operating from the following categories:
Basic Physical Qualifications for Commercial Drivers
Medical examiners test fitness for the role using an FMSCA form known as the Medical Examination Report for Commercial Driver Fitness Determination.
This form is indicative of the kind of medical qualifications required for commercial drivers.
Regulations now require that you obtain a Medical Examiners Certificate that will serve as proof of your physical and mental capability to operate a commercial motor vehicle.
A list of certain medical requirements is to follow:
Written and Knowledge Exams
It is vital that you pass your knowledge and skills tests if you want to obtain your CDL.
There’s a CDL manual that can be studied prior to an exam, but it should not be used for the purpose of replacing a formal training program – it is more a complementary study alongside your training.
Formal training actually happens to be one of the best ways to learn the requirements of the role – there are many specialized skills that a truck driver requires, these can be learned in training and implemented on the job from the moment you start.
A general knowledge test must also be sat and passed by an applicant.
Skill and Road Testing
When sitting your road and skills test, you are required to use the same class of commercial vehicle that you are aiming to be licensed for.
The driving test is divided into three sections consisting of:
Military Waiver
The CDL has a slightly different approach with ex-military commercial drivers and grants them a waiver whereby they are allowed to bypass the skills test.
This waiver is only applicable to military drivers who submit the waiver form within one year of their separation from duty.
The waiver may be used by any service members – former or current – who are already licensed to operate a commercial motor vehicle (or the military equivalent) and are currently, or have in the past 90 days, been employed as the driver of this military equivalent.
Although the skills test can be waived, the knowledge test is mandatory.
The use of School Bus or Passenger endorsements under this waiver is strictly forbidden.
CDL Licence Requirements: Federal & State (2025 Updated)
Clearly California simply gave out CDL licenses to illegals in violation of Federal CDL rules.
It's called Critical Thinking.
Yeah, Vic, it is. In my post, it is quite clear that employers are responsible for vetting their drivers. You claim to like facts, well demonstrate that.
This is so obvious, even those who do not think critically should recognize that employers are responsible for vetting their drivers.
So, even when everyone else fails and an irresponsible person is given a license, it is still the employer's responsibility to conduct proper due diligence to catch these mistakes before they put an irresponsible person behind the wheel.
No, Tig, it's not.
The difference between a company depending on a CDL license meaning a driver is qualified and a radical governor making such licenses readily available to illegal migrants who can't speak the language or even read basic traffic signs is glaring.
You need not post liability clauses to gaslight people. Even the fake critical thinkers who ignore facts and refuse to answer questions know who is to blame.
The difference is irrelevant.
The company hiring and deploying a driver is responsible for ensuring the driver is safe and responsible. They are responsible for due diligence because there is no guarantee that a driver's license means the driver is suitable for the job they assign him.
You cannot get around that fact.
Ah, there was such a time before the radical left came to power that a CDL license meant a driver was completely qualified.[✘]
More emotional blindly partisan rhetoric.
You are deflecting. The employer is responsible for vetting their drivers. That is the only possible way this can work. Part of the vetting is to ensure they are properly licensed. If the licensing system is degraded, that means the employer should take up the slack.
The employer is the one putting the person behind the wheel and taking the risk that the driver might screw up. No matter how good or bad the standards, tests, etc. the employer is the one who has to ensure they have responsible, competent drivers.
MAGA is done. There isn't any MAGA any longer. Trump has turned MAGA into a rebranded TEA Party. The TEA Party is anti-American. That's what the fake MAGA leaders are doing; selling out and destroying America. J.D. Vance ain't got the balls to be MAGA. But any cheating scumbag can be TEA Party.
Trump has tossed his trade policy under the bus by forming a reciprocal trade agreement with Australia for rare earth minerals. The tariffs don't mean anything any longer; Trump should just cave to China. At least China would open mines and mineral processors in the United States. Donald Trump sure as hell won't. (Who the hell gives money to another country to develop gallium production? The New York financial geniuses shut down gallium production in the US 30 years ago because of global over supply.) Trump is just another TEA Party trade idiot because he thinks changing supplier fixes the the supply chain vulnerability. What a rube.
NATO has not put a collar on Trump and is leading Trump around like a Democrat. All because Trump wants a worthless Nobel Prize. Trumps going to be raiding FICA taxes to buy the lipstick Zelensky is suppose to use to kiss Trump's ass. That's what the TEA Party does, raid Social Security to hide their own graft.
Trump has returned to the same old TEA Party demands to sell out America. MAGA wouldn't tear down American history and heritage to build a Golden Pussy Palace. But the TEA Party would do that in a heartbeat. The TEA Party would sell their mother's left testicle. (Yeah, the TEA Party really is that crooked.)
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Nerm may be exiting the dark side. I'm sure he will walk to his own drummer though.
More than one person has expressed concern that his account has been hijacked.
This doesn't seem to be a case of a sudden change of views. Even the language is a bit different.
I'm done with this bullshit. Donald Trump turned Erika Kirk's Christian example into a cheap joke. Donald Trump is just another fat assed TEA Party liar. Republicans lie. Republicans have been liars since Ronald Reagan turned the GOP into a party of old Democrat Blue Dogs. Hillary Clinton is more Republican than most Republicans; she's a bigger liar than Trump. Republican love liars.
MAGA is just another fucking Republican lie. Think about this. If the people shut down the government, it's an insurrection and they'll be sent to prison. Elected officials shut down government because they put party before people and expect to be rewarded at the next election. Is that MAGA? Or is that TEA Party?
The people who are not doing any work get paid while those who we depend upon to work are not getting paid. Is that MAGA? Or is that TEA Party?
Donald Trump destroyed an important part of our American history and heritage and no one lifted a finger. Democrats didn't do anything, Republicans didn't do anything. Goddammed Mike Johnson is trying to cover Trump's lying fat ass. Does that make Johnson a bigger liar then Trump? That's not MAGA, that's TEA Party.
There is enough open space on the White House grounds to accommodate 10 or more of Trump's Golden Pussy Palaces. Why did Trump deliberately destroy a portion of the White House that is the legacy of our First Ladies since World War II? That's not MAGA, that's TEA Party. And Trump will very likely skip town before the Golden Pussy Palace is completed because Trump is TEA Party.
Where was fucking J.D. Vance if he's got the balls to be MAGA? Will J.D. Vance place America before loyalty to TEA Party Trump? Hell no! Vance will be on his knees kissing Trump's ass the first chance that's available.
Trump is not MAGA. Trump is TEA Party. Trump has always been TEA Party. Trump is just another Republican liar. Trump has thrown all the MAGA ideas on the trash heap.
You know, I've been lectured about change and accepting progress to cover Trump's lying ass about destroying the East Wing. These same lecturers are up in arms over immigration, DEI, secular government because it threatens American traditions, heritage, and culture. So, which one is the lie? Accept progress? Or defend values and traditions? Both can only be true to fucking TEA Party liars.
Maybe he will sue you.
Stop casting aspersions, the only person you need to ask is Nerm.
My account is fine. I've been betrayed. Fuck Trump.
I was a lifelong Democrat (albeit conservative) until the party played dirty tricks to put Hillary Clinton on the ticket. That was a betrayal by the Democratic Party. I supported Bernie Sanders (the decrepit dimwit) because I thought he had enough support to break the Democratic Party. And he did.
Back on the real Newsvine I was no friend to the TEA Party, or ParTEA as I called them. ParTEA lying meat sacks would be more appropriate. Tea Baggers is far too polite to describe ParTEA lying meat sacks.
I was never a fan of Sarah "Spread 'em if you got 'em" Palin, Glenn "Blue Pill" Beck, or Michele "Handjob" Bachmann. Rand Paul makes Bernie Sanders look good.
Donald Trump is just another ParTEA lying meat sack. Have you ever wondered why Trump doesn't have dog? Most Presidents have some sort of pet. But not Trump. Why is that?
I sense the last proverbial straw was the desecration of the People's House both inside and outside.
Claiming to defend American values and traditions then turning around and destroying those American traditions and values in the name of progress proves that Trump has been lying all along.
People who oppose immigration, DEI, and social liberalism while defending destruction of the White House are not hypocrites. They're imbeciles. They are brainless lying meat sacks who only take up space and waste air. That's not MAGA, that's TEA Party.
I seriously doubt if Trump could pass an 8th grade US history test.
He couldn’t pass a fifth grade geography test. Remember when he congratulated the great state of Kansas on the Chiefs Super Bowl victory?
Indeed.
Personally I would like a bit more definition to what MAGA is. It seems to mean everything from advent Trump supporters to republicans in general. I hope the Republicans have a little more stability in the future than they seem to now and move more to the center than they are. Then again I hope the same thing for the Democrats but it doesn't look good for them either IMO.
I believe MAGA to define those who defend and deflect for Trump regardless of what they know he's done. They come up with excuses to defend his every action no matter how egregious. A Republican might have voted for Trump but is also willing to disagree with some of his actions or conduct. If you are the least bit critical of Trump, you're not MAGA.
MAGA is Trump. All its supporters are 'cast-members.' (Whatever Trump is doing is what MAGA is.)
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The pendulum swings. It swung too far left, and it will eventually swing too far to the right.
The MAGA movement is like any other. It will exist as long as the frustration fueling it still exists, and no longer.
Well, I believe the fuel is a self-perpetuating anti-education anti-science problem where the frustration is created because some groups choose to celebrate ignorance and fear knowledge which keeps them at the bottom of society, bitter and angry, dripping with resentment and jealousy towards those at the top. And what makes them even more bitter is the fact that those above them in society often don't look like they do, don't worship the same God, haven't given up the same vices, and haven't suffered for their faith as those rightwing conservative Christians believe they have. Their frustration is born of jealousy as they've been watching others who do whatever they want, living in "sin", never going to church or worse, claiming God doesn't even exist, being rewarded by this society and it's infuriating for conservative Christians.
It's like if you lived in an almost all-Catholic town and the priest asked everyone to give up beer, not just for lent, but for a year. How the Catholics who smile and say "Of course, our faith is strong, we shall give up beer for a year!" feel after a few months watching the Protestants in town enjoying themselves at the singular Protestant pub in town. How the frustration turns into resentment, builds, deepens, and eventually turns into pure hate. Which is where we find ourselves in America today. Those on the left want society to be open so they can live free how they wish, the lgtbq community get to live and marry and use public restrooms in peace, the "drink beer" of my parable. And the conservatives can choose not to get abortions, not get gay married and not live as the liberals, not "drink beer" as it were, all they want. But that's not good enough for rightwing conservative Christians in America, no. They need to force their beliefs on everyone around them so that they don't feel so left out apparently. In terms of my parable, they want to force everyone to take the oath to give up beer because they just can't stand to see others getting to do things they're not allowed to without consequence.
So, sadly, the self-perpetuating conservative frustration fuel will never run out.
That comment is touching on the source of the problem between liberals and conservatives; the Compelling. Conservatives watch us; so they can accuse us. . .and somehow (I know why) it works. Because, unsuspecting citizens want to cautious and take life slow. . . and here are these allegedly informed Ideologues on the Right playing to their fear of the Unknown. . . and possibly Unknowable.
Time to call it what it appears to be so long now that it is: Conservatives are trapped by their ideology to not change. . . and so they won't/can't budge. Now then, that smacks of something. . . narrowmindedness. Such individuals, and groups, are STUCK and interestingly have learned how to defend/apologize being stuck.
There is a 'turn' in discussion that you are making, DP. It is the effort to go deeper into the 'ocean' of the problem between liberals and conservatives that for whatever reason-conservatives do not accept the challenge of 'mixing it up' with when confronted. They simply throw out their 'status quo' talking points and then 'run' —until the topic peters out or simply runs its course of shallowness.
As of this moment, I have much more to say and may have to join YOU in saying it/building it/deepening it. I won't let you do it alone.
Still, my thoughts do not 'fully' attend me at this setting on the matter. More to come, for sure.
I find it perplexing that the party that alleges aspirations of being the freest country in the world (as befits it preeminence) can want a King which is the opposite of freedom. That is, a Master-servant relationship.
On that relationship. It begs the question. . . a master-servant relationship, like a distance between two ends points, is the shortest distance to getting anything done politically. As it cuts out all 'stops and detours' (Congress in this case) in-between.
You've just described the stereotype of woke people. Especially young woke people.
You've made that up completely. That might be why it's perplexing.
Is Trump steering the republican party or is the republican party steering him? I would like an answer this time to the question without ambiguity, obfuscation, redirection, or dismissal!
Angry working class voters are steering Trump.
The Republican Party is simply trying to keep from getting trampled.
A lot of good it is doing the angry working class. . . as they keep getting shafted by the 'mendacity' president! Oh wait, Trump is the GOP. So the answer is Trump is driving the GOP!
Time will tell.
Are they? They seem to be getting what they voted for.
Please. But it's good I guess MAGA supporters can appreciate the mendacity President of their own choosing. The rest of us see the lies for what they are: A lack of integrity and good sense.
Now then, I earnestly pray that God with grant Trump and MAGA supporters a spiritual awakening that permits them to live peacefully with their fellow citizens in this country.
You like that word, but illegal immigration is down, boys are out of the girls' locker rooms, there is a ceasefire in Gaza, we have a few new trade deals, public institutions are getting out of the DEI business, and he's gone to war against Antifa. The S&P is up double digits since he took office and gas prices are down about 4% from a year ago.
I realize you will think some of that is terrible, but it's what his supporters voted for.
And yet when his mouth is open he is lying. So lying helps brings about good is the 'argument'? Perhaps some things would have happened anyway? BTW, DEI as a problem for the country is not a real thing-except for epistemologically ignorant individuals and groups whom do not wish to be properly REPLACED by suitably qualified Others. Thus, giving someone else a chance at prosperity, fair treatment, and a quality life!
I pray God will help wake the spirit within Trump and MAGA supporters to be truthful and decent to let go of the bigotry which causes them to think they are worth more than Others.
It does not seem that they've ever cared about that.
I don't think they care about the lying. They seem to know better than to take him literally.
I think the market probably would have gone up anyway. I'm not sure there was much sign of illegal immigration or DEI or trans issues slowing at all.
If they're better qualified (and many are), they don't need DEI programs.
Anyone who needs a DEI program to get a chance at prosperity in this country in this century isn't going to become prosperous no matter what happens.
To engage in practices that waste money and raise consumer prices?
So MAGA says. Epistemological ignorant ignores the firings of good hardworking 'Americans' by the Trump Administration's emotional outburst! Seems that nepotism ("Jim and Jill" -Bob) will be coming back to Make America Great Again! /s
And no, nepotism is not a DEI program. . . it's corruption. And it's UNPROFESSIONAL.
How can you State this >? Even a mega amount of the maga magots are now realizing they FCKD Up.
The Supreme Court realizes they FCKD Up.
And it is finally dawning on the Republicans, hey, we enabled someone who has now grown out of control, and we cannot go against him, as we risk being primaried and of course , public ally ridiculed if we go against anything King Donald Ducking and fuckin US A ll over, blatantly
If it supports their ideology, sure.
I don't understand why they should be held to a different standard than liberals, who have done exactly that for decades.
You've stopped making sense. CB. What are you trying to say?
Because I live in Texas and I talk to them.
You're confusing people who happened to vote for Trump because the alternative was completely shite for actual Trump supporters.
"Finally dawning"?? Where the fuck have you been? Traditional Republicans saw this 10 years ago.
It is not about standards but rather rational thought.
It is irrational to support actions that harm you. And taking a serious hit just to annoy political/ideological opponents is also irrational.
I wrote what I wrote. Deal with it or not. Now, I am moving on. . . .
That still doesn't explain the double standard.
Yes. And liberals have done that for decades.
Why are the expectations different? Are we just admitting that we expect conservatives to be more sane and rational?
I never claimed there was no double standard. My point had nothing to do with double standards.
My point was and is that it is irrational to support actions that harm you. And taking a serious hit just to annoy political/ideological opponents is also irrational.
It is not relevant what liberals/conservatives/Ds/Rs/... have done in the past and I do not expect that D human beings are different than R human beings.
Not the point I made.
OK. And?
Let's don't pretend "irrational harmful actions" are not a staple of American life. It's what we do.
That said, not all the things they support are harmful or irrational.
Why do you need me to explain what I wrote? What part do you think is unclear?
More pointless deflection.
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Thanks for the warning! So now we know.
I have actually (literally) started praying for God to give Trump a heart for ALL the people of this country and not just for Rightwingers. . . when that heart (of Trump's) is pricked and modified. . . God will be glorified for it. . . as it will be evidence of a change coming over him that is UNDENIABLY due to prayer! So, prayer 'warriors' pray for Trump's deliverance so it may come swiftly.