Alpha News obtains new footage of ICE-involved shooting in Minneapolis | Alpha News MN

More info trickles out.

The benefit of this not leaking immediately is it allowed leftists to create this entire fictional narrative about the stop. Then pretty much everything they said turned out to be a lie.

So now they are down to, "getting hit by a car isn't dangerous"

So now they are down to, "getting hit by a car isn't dangerous"

Unless you are in the agents head during the split second he had to do something there is no way to tell much of anything.  Anyone that thinks they would have done something different really has no clue what they would have done unless it actually happened to them.  It seems what they think they would do also falls on ideology lines.

Yes, and that's why people in dangerous situations where that have to make split second choices deserve the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't happen in slow motion and you can't pause real life for photos to analyze before acting. 

For those reasons,  I don't have a problem with the decision not to prosecute the cop who shot Ashley Babbitt, even though the officer was in significantly less danger by any measure than the one in this case. Shooting an unarmed woman across a room is as close to the line as you get for me, and only the chaos of the situation made it not a murder in my eyes. 

Anyone who defended that shooting and calls this murder is just playing partisan games. I don't think CNN is going to have analysts claiming that not obeying an officer's commands to stop is in and of itself reason enough to justify an officer shooting someone, like they were a few days ago to justify the babbitt shooting.....

Yes, and that's why people in dangerous situations where that have to make split second choices deserve the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't happen in slow motion and you can't pause real life for photos to analyze before acting. 

Exactly.  This incident sure has brought out very partisan Monday morning quarterbacks.

For those reasons,  I don't have a problem with the decision not to prosecute the cop who shot Ashley Babbitt, even though the officer was in significantly less danger by any measure than the one in this case. Shooting an unarmed woman across a room is as close to the line as you get for me, and only the chaos of the situation made it not a murder in my eyes. 

Ashley Babbitt and her friends had been trying to bash down a locked and barricaded door for at least 30 seconds and when they couldnt get in through the door she climbed up into a bashed out window to try and get access to the entrance of the House of Representatives which was literally a few steps away.

The cop was there to protect the congresspeople who were evacuating the chamber, if he had let the mob in and they attacked the congresspeople he would have been 1000% in dereliction of duty. 

The cop knew the mob was violent. Trying to bash a locked and barricaded door in IS violence.  He should have assumed that they intended to harm someone.  

I dont know what people expected him to do. If he let Babbitt approach him there was a chance she would overpower him, take his gun and shoot him with it. Or she would be able to let the others in and the rampage would be underway. 

The justification for shooting Ashley Babbitt isnt even a close call. 

Why are you seeding something that happened 24 hours ago and pretending that you are presenting new information?  Its weird. Everyone here who cared to has already seen this video YESTERDAY. 

As for the video , it does not prove that he was hit by the car, but does prove she was steering the car to the right of the cop before she started moving forward.  The idea hawked by Trump, Vance, and Noem that she tried to run him down is INSANE. 

The idea hawked by Trump, Vance, and Noem that she tried to run him down is INSANE. 

For emphasis

but does prove she was steering the car to the right of the cop before she started moving forward

Not really.  It also does not prove if the agent was aware of what she was doing.  It was possible he heard the tires spinning on ice and didn't wait to see which way she was going to go.  There is still so much unknown that believing he is guilty or innocent has more to do with ideology and confirmation bias than anything else.

The idea hawked by Trump, Vance, and Noem that she tried to run him down is INSANE. 

The idea that they know is stupid.  They are unsurprisingly trying to protect their own.  I think I have not heard one politician claiming to not know what happened 10 minutes after it happened.  Just fanning the flame.

ance, and Noem that she tried to run him down is INSANE. 

She literally hit him with her car. 

Whether she "trying to " or not is totally irrelevant. 

I think the incident should be investigated from every angle and perspective, including the cops possible perception that his life was in danger. 

What I dont like is people, such as the president and vice president saying she tried to run him over when videos show that is not the case. 

Trump is slime. I know he's slime and you know he's slime but we go through this bizarre dance every day by people who ignore obvious reality. 

so true

I think the incident should be investigated from every angle and perspective, including the cops possible perception that his life was in danger. 

Agree

What I dont like is people, such as the president and vice president saying she tried to run him over when videos show that is not the case. 

Agree, kinda.  I will wait to see what else is found out about her possibly wanting to run him over.  I also can't just ignore the fact that they are not the only ones making proclamations that may or may not be true

Trump is slime. I know he's slime and you know he's slime but we go through this bizarre dance every day by people who ignore obvious reality. 

Trump is an asshole acting like an asshole does.  Personally I don't need to be reminded of it 10 times a day which is why I don't read everything here.

including the cops possible perception that his life was in danger. 

His perception is the only that matters. 

Whether Good was trying to hit him, didn't care if she hit him, or misjudged her ability to avoid him doesn't matter. Legally, it's whether the cop's belief that he was in danger is reasonable that matters. 

So what matters is that (1) she was obstructing a LEO operation. (2) She was ignoring LEO commands to get out of the car (3) She looked at the officer standing in front of car, gunned her engine and drove towards him on a path to hit him, which she did. 

Getting hit by a car is inherently dangerous. And simply putting someone in legitimate danger of getting hit by a moving vehicle is enough to create a situation of reasonable belief that you are getting harmed. That she actually hit him proves how dangerous the situation was. 

There is no evidence she hit him at all, let alone "ran him over" as the top officials of our government have said.  His cell phone video does NOT prove the car hit him.  If a lawyer went into a court and said that video proves the car hit him they would be laughed out of court. 

His perception is the only that matters. 

No, he must reasonably believe the threat of imminent death.   The adjective 'reasonably ' is operative.

I like how she can clearly be seen turning the wheel before she starts moving. 

One cannot tell if the automobile contacts the agent from the video because the frame moves off of her, which probably upset him because he wanted video of him getting the head shot. It would be great for recruiting videos for fascist bloodthirsty mother fuckers gonna pop a cap in some libs. The agents made no attempt to de-escalate the situation but instead turned an ordinary interaction into a crime scene totally of their making.

Overgrown juveniles with weapons: What could go wrong?

This latest video is useful though.  A lesbian taunted him. We might as well speculate that was the reason he shot her wife.  

("Fucking bitch") 

A lesbian taunted him. We might as well speculate that was the reason he shot her wife.  

You are also speculating he knew and cared that she was a lesbian enough to kill her

("Fucking bitch")

I think it is also reasonable to assume he would call anyone that hit him or almost hit him a fucking bitch.  

Hopefully it all comes out so we can be confident and not speculate.

Getting hit by a car is inherently dangerous.

An additional observation that seems to go unnoticed.   Her wheels were turned towards the road, not at the agent.   Even after being shot, and obviously no longer driving, look at where the vehicle's momentum took it.   Down the road.   Not to the left, but down the road.

With what AI is able to do with images and videos these days, I wouldn't believe ANY video posted as "proof".

Gradpa said: "Don't believe anything you hear of read, and only what you see."  I would add to that the words "...with your own eyes, and even then don't be too sure."

There seems to be two types of people with regards to this.

People that have and their mind up and nothing is going to change it no matter what else comes to light.  They will whine about the verdict being unfair if they don't get their way.  Hopefully none of them will be in a jury if it goes to trial since it is obvious they can't be objective.

People that are willing to wait until all the evidence is in and a determination is made if it should go to trial and will abide by the verdict.  You know, like the system was intended.

Count me as being in the second group.  

As far as opinion I have seen nothing (and there still is so much unknown) to say definitively if he is guilty of murder under the law.  I will leave that to the system (and not all the internet lawyers that seem to determine guilt based more on their ideology than facts)  

As far as opinion I have seen nothing (and there still is so much unknown) to say definitively if he is guilty of murder under the law.  I will leave that to the system (and not all the internet lawyers that seem to determine guilt based more on their ideology than facts)  

I don't believe he will be found guilty of murder, though, in the eyes of many, including myself, I believe he is. There is enough gray area for jurors to believe his self defense plea, however, after seeing this smiling lady distinctly steering to avoid the shooter who deliberately, against training protocol, stepped in front of her vehicle while she was distracted by other officers who seemed to be giving her conflicting commands, definitely points to a failure on the shooters part.

  All he had to do was step aside, not be filming, and not be pulling his weapon, and let her leave and then pull her over. She was NOT a threat to the shooter, until the shooter against training and protocol, stepped in front of her vehicle.

 This video only strengthened my beliefs.

There is enough gray area for jurors to believe his self defense plea 

Possibly, but that is all that the system calls for. 

This video only strengthened my beliefs.

You are welcome to your opinion

The Trump approved video shows that Renee Good was not aggressive or belligerent.  The video reveals that Good's true crime was that she was a white woman who was not intimidated.

No amount of spin will change the fact that the ICE agents utilized kill squad tactics.  The Trump approved video shows that when the agent approached Good's vehicle to harass, Ross moved to the front driver side for an easy head shot.  The agent acting as dog was harassing Good to escalate the situation and encourage Good to attempt to escape.  And Ross would take the head shot.  Since someone shot in the head typically spasms, Ross knew where to stand to avoid being hit by the vehicle.  But the vehicle would pass close enough for a plausible excuse.

What is amazing is that Ross was firing in the direction of the other agent.  The fact that agents are willing to work with Ross shows that these are not high quality individuals.  ICE appears to be scraping the barrel.

This was a thrill kill.  The team worked in unison to deliberately escalate the situation and score a trophy.  This is how dogs are used to hunt deer.  Defending Ross only requires playing to the ignorance of those in charge.  Trump is a penthouse billionaire from New York la la land who likely has never fired a weapon in his life.  Kristi Noem doesn't give the impression that she is cut out for field work; especially wet work.  Everyone on Trump's team is so ignorant of how the real world works that they'll buy any lie that fits their political narrative.

The Trump approved video from Ross's phone actually condemns Ross.  Ross knew what he was doing.  Ross intended to use his badge to commit murder and get away with it.

The Trump approved video shows that Renee Good was not aggressive or belligerent

She ignored orders to get out of the car. Laughed and then drove into a LEO she was looking directly at. 

She ignored orders to get out of the car. Laughed and then drove into a LEO she was looking directly at. 

The purpose of the agent approaching the driver's door was to deliberately escalate the situation.  Good was not doing anything to hinder operations or interfere with police activities.  Why do you think cops scream unintelligible commands and empty their magazines?  That's a tactic to deliberately escalate any situation by preying on autonomic biological responses.  

What I want to know is how many times has Jonathon Ross discharged his service weapon during his 10 years in law enforcement.  

She ignored orders to get out of the car.

One could argue that they were about to arrest her at that point.

Laughed and then drove into a LEO she was looking directly at. 

Lies. 

And you were there and heard their discussion??  

What else was said?

And you were there and heard their discussion??   What else was said?

Watch the damned video.  Ross is standing on the passenger side of the vehicle as the other agent approaches the driver's door.  As the other agent approaches the vehicle, Ross deliberately moves around the front of the vehicle and positions himself for an easy head shot.  (The video also captured audio.)

Ross and the harassing agent did not have to discuss anything.  This a standard kill squad tactic.  

One could argue that they were about to arrest her at that point.

The agents would have detained Good but would not have arrested Good.  Good would have been dragged out of the vehicle and zip tied.  But Good did not do anything that could be used to obtain a conviction.  

I'm sure Good has heard of and seen examples of people arrested by ICE. She would have spent at least all day in jail , undoubtedly being harrassed, before a prosecutor or an ICE supervisor let it be known there was no reason to detain her.   She wanted to keep herself out of that situation so she tried to leave before they could drag her out of the car. 

Good was not doing anything to hinder operations or interfere with police activities.

This is where I would love to know the rest of the story. What happened in the hour before this video? You state she did nothing to hinder to interfere with police activities but then why was her car parked perpendicular in the road? Why was she blocking traffic? What had she been doing before she parked her car where she did to precipitate this event?

Would also love to know why the federal government hasn't been proactive enough as this type of incident has been coming for quite a while. Why have they not spent the money to put dash cams and body cams on every vehicle and every officer, cameras that automatically upload their data? We know that the 'opposition' will set up with cell phones to record the incidents, the wife had previously gotten out of the vehicle in order to record all events. This was definitely a planned incident on their part.

It's a terrible result that someone lost their life. But the speed at which politicians leapt to their preferred sides does beg the question, is this the result they have been hoping for all along.

I'm sure Good has heard of and seen examples of people arrested by ICE. She would have spent at least all day in jail , undoubtedly being harrassed, before a prosecutor or an ICE supervisor let it be known there was no reason to detain her.   She wanted to keep herself out of that situation so she tried to leave before they could drag her out of the car. 

The examples are that Good would have been dragged out of the vehicle (whether she resisted or not), an agent would have put a knee on her back while zip tying her hands, and then she would have been dragged to the curb and insulted for several minutes.

The agents would claimed that she needed to be detained because she was interfering with the operation.  There's no way to get any sort of conviction for that nowadays because so much video is being shot.  Transporting Good to a facility would have required a lot of paperwork for no purpose.  Especially since the agents know Good would never be charged for anything.

This is where I would love to know the rest of the story. What happened in the hour before this video? You state she did nothing to hinder to interfere with police activities but then why was her car parked perpendicular in the road? Why was she blocking traffic? What had she been doing before she parked her car where she did to precipitate this event?

Here is an expanded piece of video that shows that there was actually a lot of traffic.  The analysis is so-so but it does provide some background conditions before the incident.  The video also breaks down the actions of the agents, the position of Ross, and includes the firing of shots.

One thing of interest is that the hole in the windshield (displayed early in the video) appears to be larger than 9 mm.  

Watch the video without audio.  Judge for yourself. 

The X posting of Jonathon Ross's video is linked in the seeded article.  Here is a direct link:  Ross cellphone video

Note that in the cellphone video, Ross is on the passenger side of the video when the harassing agent approaches Good's vehicle.  Ross deliberately moves around the front to a position for an easy head shot.

Also note that the cellphone video shows Good's vehicle is running, Good backs up the vehicle as Ross circles to the drivers side.  Also not that the person outside the vehicle appears to be attempting open the door as the other agent begins harassing Good.  There is every indication that Good was preparing to leave the area before the harassing agent arrived.

What happened in the hour before this video?

It does not matter.   There was no reasonable fear of imminent death from this woman.   The ICE agent had no justification for pulling his weapon, readying his aim, firing into the driver corner of the windshield, stepping aside, firing again into the driver's window.

Protocol (and rational thinking) calls to use the time spent above to merely step aside to ensure they are clear of the path.  And note that even with all the time used (above) by this agent, he still had time to step aside.   After all this he walked down to the crash site to observe his kill and then walked back to the scene of the killing.   Unharmed.

So clearly, obviously, (right?)  the guy had plenty of time to simply step aside from the vehicle that had backed up and was just starting to move towards the road with its wheels pointing at the road and NOT at the agent.

Instead he chose to kill, point-blank, a 37 year old citizen.

Protocol (and rational thinking) calls to use the time spent above to merely step aside to ensure they are clear of the path.  And note that even with all the time used (above) by this agent, he still had time to step aside.   After all this he walked down to the crash site to observe his kill and then walked back to the scene of the killing.   Unharmed.

The agents did follow protocol and training.  Law enforcement is trained to deliberately escalate situations.  Ross had to hurry into position to take the head shot.  The action appears choreographed because that's the training.

What puts the lie to everything said by Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, and Kristi Noem is that Jonathon Ross didn't even drop his phone.  Ross's cellphone video convicts Ross.

I want to know how many times Jonathon Ross has discharged his service weapon during his 10 years in law enforcement.  I want to know if this was one off incompetence or another in a pattern of ex-judicial killings.

The agents did follow protocol and training. 

The protocol in this situation is to stand clear of the vehicle and then engage in pursuit.   The protocol allows deadly force on a moving vehicle only when there is a reasonable belief of imminent threat of death or serious injury.

Putting oneself in the line of a car (not clear that was even done) would almost certainly not qualify as 'reasonable belief'.   The agent had plenty of time to step waaaay clear of the car.   Instead he chose to pull his weapon, ready his aim, fire, reposition, fire again into the driver's window.   And he still had time to step clear of the vehicle.

What puts the lie to everything said by Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, and Kristi Noem is that Jonathon Ross didn't even drop his phone.  Ross's cellphone video convicts Ross.

The other videos are even clearer.   But of course Trump, et. al. are lying.   Those morons did not even have the sense to come up with plausible lies.   The administration is both corrupt and incompetent.

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