ICE officer who shot Renee Nicole Good suffered internal bleeding, feds say

But we know that Agent Ross couldn't have been touched by the vehicle.

We have people who looked at the video and tell us with absolute certainty that Ross wasn't even brushed and that he had no reason to fear that wonderful mother.

You can take it to the bank /S. 

But we know that Agent Ross couldn't have been touched by the vehicle.

Correct.  Because all available evidence (videos) show that he was not.

We have people who looked at the video and tell us with absolute certainty that Ross wasn't even brushed and that he had no reason to fear that wonderful mother.

Correct again.  People that actually looked at the video with non partisan eyes.

You can take it to the bank /S.

Interesting that you insert a sarcasm tag after stating 2 undeniable facts.

But we know that Agent Ross couldn't have been touched by the vehicle.

We have people who looked at the video and tell us with absolute certainty that Ross wasn't even brushed and that he had no reason to fear that wonderful mother.

You can take it to the bank /S. 

That is correct.  The video evidence shows Ross was not struck by Good's vehicle.

You may choose to believe a Deep State government official who has a vested interest in lying to you, if you wish.  That is your choice.  But it is an unwise choice.

that Ross wasn't even brushed

Just for the sake of argument, let’s go with that. Do you really believe that a man in body armor who was “brushed” by a car going about 2mph suffered “internal bleeding” as a result?

I don't know. That's what an investigation is for.

Do you believe in due process?

They aren’t doing an investigation. Do you require one to be skeptical of a story that - on its face - is certainly horseshit? No one with “internal bleeding” is just walking around living their normal life.

We have people who looked at the video and tell us with absolute certainty that Ross wasn't even brushed and that he had no reason to fear that wonderful mother.

Look at you try to paint this dead woman as the 'bad guy' and illustrate that you are clearly ignoring now extremely persuasive evidence (damn near certainty) that her vehicle not only did not hit the officer, but did not even brush the officer.   The officer positioned himself to shoot her and kept moving around her vehicle as he did so.   His leg positions and distance from the vehicle are clearly shown, frame by frame.  

Is there no point where you will stop defending this corrupt administration?   We now have a woman killed by an officer who clearly should not possess a firearm and placed in the public because of Trump and his corrupt/incompetent administration.

And you are still trying to defend this corrupt administration even when they are blatantly lying to you and doing everything they can to impede justice.

Look at you try to paint this dead woman as the 'bad guy' and illustrate that you are clearly ignoring now extremely persuasive evidence (damn near certainty) that her vehicle not only did not hit the officer, but did not even brush the officer. 

We have every right to know who she was and what she was doing at the time of the incident.

1) She was part of an anti-ICE activist group.

2) At the time of the incident she was blocking traffic.

3) At the time of the incident she had just ignored a lawful order to exit her vehicle and then gunned it in the direction of an ICE agent.


There is an investigation going on but all of the above must be a part of it.

We have every right to know who she was and what she was doing at the time of the incident.

Of course we have the right to know.   But you are trying to cast the clear victim as the perp.   It is sickening given the clear, overwhelming evidence that she was NOT aiming her vehicle at the officer who killed her and that she was in fact driving away from where he was standing and toward the road.

The investigation should take place and consider all the facts.   But you keep ignoring the most relevant evidence, likely because it further illustrates that Trump and his administration are profoundly dishonest and corrupt.

1) She was part of an anti-ICE activist group.

That’s not a crime.

2) At the time of the incident she was blocking traffic.

If true, this violates a local and/or state traffic law, and exists as an infraction, meaning it’s the kind of thing you just get a ticket and pay a fine for. If you refuse to move, local authorities could tow the vehicle. There is no possible way it could justify even aiming a firearm at the driver, much less pulling the trigger.

Enforcing local or state traffic laws is not within the jurisdiction of ICE. They are only authorized to enforce federal immigration law.

Additionally, there is not much evidence in the video I saw that she even was blocking traffic. She actually waves at a car to go past her, and there was ample room to do so.

3) At the time of the incident she had just ignored a lawful order to exit her vehicle

You appear to be making the mistaken assumption that many people make. i.e., “Every order from someone in uniform is a lawful order.” That is not the case, even for regular police. 

Police who stop a vehicle for a traffic infraction can order the occupants out of the car. The general reason for this is police safety, but the bar for justification is practically nonexistent. The only other reason a person could be ordered out of the car is if they are under arrest.

ÌCE, however, is a different situation. ICE does not have jurisdiction over United States citizens any more than they have jurisdiction over local traffic laws. Unless they have probable cause to believe that a citizen is obstructing or interfering with them, or they are part of a conspiracy to aid in illegal immigration, they do not have the authority to go arresting citizens or ordering them out of cars.

By the way, just sitting in your car is probably not going to qualify as “interference.” It almost always has to be some use of force directed at agents, and they have to actually be involved in an official act. Just wandering around town probably isn’t going to qualify.

So unless Renee Good was under arrest for violating federal immigration law - and there is no reason to think she was - the order for her to exit the vehicle was not lawful.

Even if the order were lawful, her refusal to comply would not legally justify shooting her.

and then gunned it in the direction of an ICE agent.

When she began to move, her first move was not in the direction of an agent, but rather, to go in reverse. Then she turned to the right to get away from the agents she could see, who were on her left, which is where she was looking. She was looking at agents to her left because that’s who was yelling at her and pulling on her car door.

The agent who shot her had circled around the car, approached from her right, and placed himself in front of the vehicle when she wasn’t looking that way. So, she couldn’t have “gunned” her car at an agent that she didn’t know was there. Additionally, she didn’t “gun” the vehicle. The vehicle only started moving with speed after she had been shot.

It is a well established principle of law - even for law enforcement - that the excuse of self defense does not apply when a person creates the danger to themselves. That agent put himself in front of the car, and did so intentionally in a way that made it difficult or impossible for Renee Good to know he was there.

Have you ever heard of the Supremacy Clause?

How about Immigration Law?

Have you ever heard of making a point?

Facts! Who needs them?  It's feelings man.  Joe Biden was sharp as a tack because they needed him to be, damn all that fake evidence showing otherwise. Some people have an almost religious need to believe Good was martyred, so facts aren't really relevant. 

Without blinking an eye, the same people will, of course,  tell you it's obviously  self defense for a cop  to shoot a small unarmed woman from a across  a room as well. 

Facts! Who needs them?  It's feelings man.  Joe Biden was sharp as a tack because they needed him to be, damn all that fake evidence showing otherwise. Some people have an almost religious need to believe Good was martyred, so facts aren't really relevant. 

Joe Biden had absolutely nothing to do with this.  Renee Good was not an illegal immigrant Biden allowed to stay in the country.  In fact, there weren't any immigrants in the immediate area.  ICE deliberately targeted a citizen of the United States.  Why doesn't that bother those who claim to be patriots?

Joe Biden had absolutely nothing to do with this .Renee Good was not an illegal immigrant Biden allowed to stay in the country.

Read what I wrote again. Nothing you wrote addresses anything I actually did.  

ICE deliberately targeted a citizen of the United States. Why doesn't that bother those who claim to be patriots?

No, they obviously didn't.  And it's this sort of hyperbolic insanity that's instantly discrediting.

At worst, he overreacted to a chaotic situation. 

I have seen a lot of cop videos on You Tube, and I've never seen one where the cops runs up and immediately try and drag the "perp" out of the car.  If they think the driver is dangerous they tell him to exit the drivers seat with his hands up. If they dont believe it is a dangerous situation they tell them to keep their hands on the wheel and answer questions. 

The cops immediately tried to drag Good out of her car.  The one trying to open the car door should be fired. 

His behavior is instantly discrediting. 

Read what I wrote again. Nothing you wrote addresses anything I actually did.  

ICE deliberately targeted a citizen of the United States. Why doesn't that bother those who claim to be patriots?

No, they obviously didn't.  And it's this sort of hyperbolic insanity that's instantly discrediting.

At worst, he overreacted to a chaotic situation. 

Do you understand what you wrote?  You made an apples and oranges comparison to prove what?

You are drinking the same kool-aid that those who believed Joe Biden drank.  You are attempting to defend a Deep State government official by claiming the victim killed herself.  

Yeah, Renee Good did not need to be there.  That was a choice.  But Jonathon Ross did not need to shoot Renee Good in the face.  That was also a choice.  The claims that Ross was hit by the vehicle proves that killing Good did not prevent what the shooting was intended to prevent.  Ross is defending himself by claiming that his need to shoot Good failed to do what was needed.  Ross' defense is incompetence in performing his duties.

Jonathon Ross cannot have succeeded and failed at the same time.  Ross is not Schrodinger's cat. 

What are you celebrating?  The death of a US citizen by the actions of a government agent?  Are you cheering the Deep State for covering up a crime and protecting a perpetrator?  Are you praising the incompetence of a government worker?  Just what is there to celebrate here?

 Do you understand what you wrote?

Yes, it's very straightforward. It doesn't blame Biden for anything. I'm referring to the people who lied on Biden's behalf despite the voluminous evidence of his mental incapacity.  See the difference?

 kool-aid that those who believed Joe Biden drank

you see? You did get it!

 defend a Deep State government official by claiming the victim killed herself.  

He's not ICE Agent apprehending illegal criminals. He's not an official making policy. He's enforcing laws passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton and others.    

I'm not claiming "she killed herself" That implies an intentional act. 

This is obvious. She, not the ICE agent, created a dangerous situation and committed numerous crimes.  In chaotic situations with deadly weapons like SUV's and guns involved, bad things can happen.  Instead of following commands, she drove her SUV at him. He reacted.  It's all split second reaction in an incredibly fluid situation.  I'm sure she didn't want to die. She wanted to avoid being arrested. I'm sure he didn't approach the vehicle with the goal of shooting her. Claiming he set out with the intention to kill her is pure wish casting. 

This is obvious. She, not the ICE agent, created a dangerous situation and committed numerous crimes.  In chaotic situations with deadly weapons like SUV's and guns involved, bad things can happen.  Instead of following commands, she drove her SUV at him. He reacted.  It's all split second reaction in an incredibly fluid situation.  I'm sure she didn't want to die. She wanted to avoid being arrested. I'm sure he didn't approach the vehicle with the goal of shooting her. Claiming he set out with the intention to kill her is pure wish casting. 

What was the purpose of Ross firing his service weapon?  Did Ross shooting Renee Good in the face achieve that purpose?  If Ross intended to prevent being hit by Good's vehicle then his actions failed.  If Ross intended to safeguard the public from Good's vehicle then Ross failed.    

What reckless speed did Good achieve in 10 feet?  From reverse, no less.  How did Ross suffer internal bleeding in his torso when his body was above the hood of the vehicle?  What wasn't Ross' legs or hips injured (not the torso)?  Why would Ross believe that killing the driver of a speeding vehicle would reduce the danger posed by that speeding vehicle?  Jonathon Ross sent an uncontrolled vehicle speeding down a residential street.  How did that safeguard the public's safety?

Why is the government defending an incompetent government worker?  Why are you defending that Deep State cover up?

The podcaster Tim Miller said that people are in more danger in a Walmart or Target parking lot everyday than Ross was.  I have been brushed by a car pulling out of or into a parking spot, and I'm sure many other people have as well. I wasnt afraid for my life. 

It’s no coincidence that snowflakes are made of ice.

I wasnt afraid for my life. 

Even if you were, shooting the driver wouldn’t help.

You say Joe Biden's name almost as much as Trump does. 

While I understand why Democrats want to pretend his Presidency didn't happen, the lies people told to protect him shouldn't be forgotten.  

Trumo said the word "Biden" 28 times in a recent NYT interview.   He has a mental health issue. 

Why doesn't that bother those who claim to be patriots?

How often did Obama invoke Bush during  his terms of office?  Did that make him crazy?

I seriously doubt Biden ever in his life said Bush's name 28 times in one sitting.  

Maybe. I doubt any reporter talked to Biden long enough when he was VP to find out. 

Obama almost certainly did though.

Facts! Who needs them?

Not MAGA, that's for sure.

Without blinking an eye, the same people will, of course,  tell you it's obviously  self defense for a cop  to shoot a small unarmed woman from a across  a room as well.

You mean a small unarmed woman attempting to break into a locked area of the Capitol with a bunch of other people chanting "hang Mike Pence"?  That small unarmed woman?

with a bunch of other people chanting "hang Mike Pence"?

Really? I've never seen that video. Can you provide any evidence the people around her when she was shot were chanting "Hang Mike Pence".  You aren't making that up, are you? 

Also, crazy that you think it's okay to shoot an  unarmed person for chanting something violent.  Of course, you don't mean it and would never countenance shooting unarmed leftist protesters for chanting to kill ICE or Trump.   But desperate times call for desperate measures, huh?

What do you think the cop, who was sworn to protect the House of Representatives, should have let Ashley Babbitt do?  Come in and take down the barricade? Occupy the cop long enough for the rest of the mob to enter through the broken window? Take his gun away from him and shoot him with it?   At one point would it have been ok for him to shoot a violent mob trying to enter a locked and barricaded location? 

I'm asking you to justify how the officer was afraid an unarmed woman who was across the room from him threatened his life when he pulled the trigger, but the ICE agent shouldn't feel threatened with a  SUV coming at him.  

Remember the guy who thought Mike Brown was murdered? How does he square that with justifying the shooting Ashli Babbitt? 

I'd love to see the progressives articulate a standard that makes shooting Mike brown and Good murder, but Babbitt justifiable., other than the obvious "it matches our ideology"  

 At one point would it have been ok for him to shoot a violent mob trying to enter a locked and barricaded location? 

So you know believe the officers at the White House in May 2020 during the BLM riots would have been justified in shooting protesters? They attacked secret service and police trying to get past a barricade. You are telling us you would have supported Trump the police if they opened fire on the BLM protesters? 

What do you think the cop, who was sworn to protect the House of Representatives, should have let Ashley Babbitt do?  Come in and take down the barricade? Occupy the cop long enough for the rest of the mob to enter through the broken window? Take his gun away from him and shoot him with it? 

The people at the door of the Speakers Lobby  were violent. Bashing in a blocked and barricaded door is violent.  To apply any sort of innocence to Ashley Babbitt is absurd. 

hat do you think the cop, who was sworn to protect the House of Representatives, should have let Ashley Babbitt do? 

I'm not the one with a double standard. While I think Babbitt is a much closer call, I don't think the officer should he have been indicted for murder either. 

shing in a blocked and barricaded door is violent.  To apply any sort of innocence to Ashley Babbitt is absurd. 

deflect deflect deflect.

I'm asking you to justify how the officer was afraid an unarmed woman who was across the room from him threatened his life when he pulled the trigger

But her gaining access would have allowed a very large crowd to follow her giving all access to the elected officials including the guy they wanted to hang.

but the ICE agent shouldn't feel threatened with a  SUV coming at him.

You continue with this same lie. Should an ICE agent be afraid of an SUV driving PAST him?  Do you feel he would have the right to shoot at every driver in a Home Depot parking lot because the cars are driving down the parking rows towards him?

I'm not the one with a double standard. While I think Babbitt is a much closer call, I don't think the officer should he have been indicted for murder either. 

Really? 

That officer went through all the standard investigations before he was cleared in the shooting. 

ICE has refused all standard investigations of ICEman Ross and keeping it confidential and internal, and have already released a false statement to support their predetermined justified shooting decision.

her gaining access would have allowed a very large crowd to follow her giving all access to the elected officials including the guy they wanted to hang

That’s a great example of fantasy. . 
You still haven’t provided any evidence of Babbitt or the people around her chanting to hang Mike Pence and we both know why you haven’t. 
Now you can you provide not evidence that Mike pence was in danger from Ashly Babbitt, 

that you continue to make things up simply makes my point for me. Thanks for that.

ng access would have allowed a very large crowd to follow her giving all access to the elected officials including the guy they wanted to hang.

Lol. Another lie. You are reduced to arguing that door was the only thing between Mike Pence and a crowd out to get him? Lol. 

Where was Mike Pence at the moment he shot and who was with him?  Also, you still haven't shown the video of the group with Babbitt chanting "hang Mike Pence" Why can't you provide any evidence to support your claim about the the exact situation when he shot an unarmed woman. 

o you feel he would have the right to shoot at every driver in a Home Depot parking lot because the cars are driving down the parking rows towards him?

Is that the best comparison you can do?  Are you sitting there saying "Eureka! I've got it now.  Yes, the situation on the street where she was shot is the exact same as a normal day Home Depot parking lot!"  

The fact that day after day progressives have to make these incredibly disingenuous  "comparisons" says it all really. 

That of course, even if it were true, has nothing to do with the point being discussed. 

Facts! Who needs them?

Yeah, it’d be neat if they had supplied any, but they didn’t. Instead, they just claim he was bleeding internally and we’re all just supposed to believe it.

he was bleeding internally

he probably shouldn't have licked the plate he was chopping his meth lines on ...

Joe Biden

Had nothing to do with any of this, grow up. 

Biden had nothing to do with any of this, grow up

I'll repeat. Again. 

I's very straightforward. It doesn't blame Biden for anything. I'm referring to the people who lied on Biden's behalf despite the voluminous evidence of his mental incapacity.  See the difference?

Some Progressives  see the word Biden and they lose the ability to think or read. Possibly they hate being reminded of the things they did shilling for him. 

Ross received paperwork on his release from the emergency room containing the name of the hospital, what he was treated for and the name of the doctor or doctors who attended to him there. 

If they exist he should post them on social media so they can be verified. 

Many people simply do not take this administration at its word, period. 

The extent of Ross' internal bleeding was not immediately clear. DHS declined to answer USA TODAY's additional questions about the injury.

LOL

If he had internal bleeding it was probably due to cirrhosis.

If he had internal bleeding it was probably due to cirrhosis.

Anybody with a functioning brain knows it's from being hit by a car. 

But keeping in mind with the stupidity from the left, If I had to deal with liberal idiots at the frequency they do I'd probably drink as well.

Was the car invisible?  Because anyone with a functioning brain connected to functioning eyeballs has seen video evidence that CLEARLY shows it was not Good’s car.

Anybody with a functioning brain knows it's from being hit by a car. 

It's a shame that never happened. 

The federal immigration officer who fatally shot  37-year-old Renee Nicole Good  in Minneapolis last week sustained internal bleeding to the torso in the incident

Nope. No way. Why would anyone believe this? We have already been told by DHS that agents were trying to free a car stuck in snow (the snow on the ground in the videos is minimal), that agents were surrounded by protestors (the only one “surrounded” was Renee Good), and that protestors had been following ICE agents “all day” (the shooting occurred a little after 9:30 in the morning, shortly after Renee had dropped her 6 year old off at school).

Ross had been  taken to the hospital , but he was released and home with family

So, he’s fine. He wasn’t bleeding internally. At worst, he had a bruise somewhere. Real internal bleeding requires hospitalization and - usually - surgery.

Where was this internal bleeding coming from? What organ? Did he receive a CT scan? An MRI? Where is it? Let’s see it.

And shame on America’s journalists for just repeating this fable as if there were any evidence at all to support its veracity.

Reminder she:

-blocked traffic 

-willfully ignored a lawful order to exit her vehicle

-gunned her vehicle in the direction of an ICE agent.


When one does such things there are consequences.

Do you believe that a woman who blocked traffic and then turned her vehicle away from the officer who killed her was justifiably killed?

Do you??

This is the USA you want?    This is the corrupt, dishonest, out-of-control, authoritarian regime you want?

You say she turned away? At what point? She was facing him when she hit the gas. 

I'll wait for the results of the investigation.

How can you stomach misrepresenting what is clearly shown on video?

This blatant denial of the obvious by Trump supporters is sickening.

I'll wait for the results of the investigation.

What investigation?   The corrupt Trump administration is burying this.

The Deputy Attorney General  quite clearly said there will be no investigation but the Trumpsters keep pretending. 

I will likely never fully understand what causes some to engage in fantasy (in terms of politics) rather than deal with reality.   

I do understand how people can be partisan, but in the Trump era, the gap between the fantasy produced by partisan spin and reality is often so great that it is beyond absurd to argue the fantasy.

The Renee Good killing is an example of this.

I'll wait for the results of the investigation.

Same here.

Do you guys have knowledge of a federal investigation?   If so, give us a link because the news is that the Trump administration is not going to pursue an investigation and are going to bury this case.

In other words, what is the investigation that you will await?

In other words, what is the investigation that you will await?

The investigation to determine if any further investigation is required I guess.

Does it not embarrass you to write something that ridiculous?

Trump's concept of a plan does not fly either.   It's best not to emulate that lunatic.

There is no investigation to see if there is a need for an investigation.   So what are you waiting for?

If you can't be civil there is no reason for a discussion. 

I saw a report that an element of the deal will be the US taking sovereignty of small portions of Greenland which will be the sites of new military bases. 

The investigation to determine if any further investigation is required

that comment requires civility ? 

Another feeble tactic to deflect when you have no good response.

Why is it so difficult for you to weigh in on the Good killing?   The video evidence is clear and overwhelming.   Why engage in the obvious deflection tactic of 'waiting for an investigation' when you know full well that no investigation is pending?

Yes

6.1.10

Brilliant!     

Trump is a moron.   This is a distinction without a difference (in terms of what matters) and has nothing but negatives.   Why bring on criticism of imperialism and other negatives and gain nothing for that price?

Did I mention that Trump is a moron?

In short, you refuse to opine on the Good killing.   And you refuse to offer a reason for not doing so.   

Also ridiculous. Between WWII and the Cold War the US operated 13 different bases of which it eventually closed or Bracced 10.

Thule Air Force base is now some ridiculous Space Force HQ and remains the only active base.

However both the King of Denmark and the head of the Greenland government have been telling Trump that they can reclaim, recover and regenerate any of the previous open ended leases at any time with no limits on reasonable expansion with other NATO allies.

Why bring on criticism of imperialism and other negatives and gain nothing for that price?

That doesn't make any sense.....We are gaining permanent sovereignty over land.  That is absolutely something.  Do you not understand the difference owning land and being allowed to temporarily occupy it?

The US forced Denmark to sell us the Virgin Islands by threatening  military action to take them if  Denmark didn't sell.   How much damage did that do to the US?  No one is going to give two shits about Trump's posturing over Greenland two weeks after the deal is signed.  

Yes she turned away and his shot, aimed at her left shoulder, hit her in the right chest.

Of course it could have nicked the steering wheel and changed directions.

The other agent's reaction was both defensive and "WTF" when Ross fired through the windshield. i am still surprised that he hasn't gotten a purple heart for the shards of windshield that hit him in the gloves and arms.

I'll wait for the results of the investigation.

Why? The only investigation with frame by frame and AI generated overheads will be from plaintiffs' wrongful death and civil rights lawsuit against the government and you certainly won't accept those findings.  Why pretend?

That doesn't make any sense.....We are gaining permanent sovereignty over land.  That is absolutely something.  Do you not understand the difference owning land and being allowed to temporarily occupy it?

Trump argued that we must own Greenland for military reasons.   We have a long-standing relationship with Greenland for building military bases.   The temporary occupation has provided what we have needed for decades now, and before Trump our relationship with Denmark and Greenland was first-class.   

There is no pressing need to own Greenland.

No one is going to give two shits about Trump's posturing over Greenland two weeks after the deal is signed.  

How utterly naive.

And there is not going to be any deal.   You realize that, right?

Taco strikes again, lol.

 The temporary occupation has provided what we have needed for decades now

Oh... And Kodak dominated photography for decades, therefore it always will... What guarantees do you have that  an independent Greenland, which wouldn't even a member of NATO, would continue exactly as Denmark did? 

r relationship with Denmark and Greenland was first-class

So you are saying the US actually bullying Denmark into selling island possessions to us under the threat of military action had no long term effects?

And there is not going to be any deal.

We will see.

Oh... And Kodak dominated photography for decades, therefore it always will.

And off you go to another strawman argument.   I did not say or imply that we will ALWAYS be able to have a relationship with Greenland.   I stated that so far we have, and that (other than Trump's stupidity) we had no reason to think otherwise.

We cannot own everything.   Thus, we necessarily must rely upon diplomacy, negotiations, etc. for that which we do not own.  Our relationship with Denmark / Greenland was among the strongest, friendliest agreements we have.   There was (is) every reason to hold that it will continue in the foreseeable future ... but that does not mean FOREVER.   If you demand FOREVER, then, with your ridiculous 'logic', we would need to buy every nation with which we hold agreements.   

So you are saying the US actually bullying Denmark into selling island possessions to us under the threat of military action had no long term effects?

First of all the WWI negotiations regarding the Virgin Islands have no record of the PotUS threatening to take the Virgin Islands by force.   At best, it was veiled threats by SoS Robert Lansing about occupying the islands to prevent the Germans from doing so.   Not in any way the same.   President Wilson did not publicly announce that he might take the Virgin Islands by military force.   Your analogy is terrible.

Second, this was over 100 years ago.  Nations change over decades and this can range from mortal enemies to friends (take Japan).   Bad relationships can easily heal over decades much less over a century.   So again, your analogy is fundamentally flawed.

But in general, if the USA were to take any territory by force, there would absolutely be repercussions whose effects could last decades.   Especially since the notion of one nation invading another (or equivalent) is antithetical to modern diplomacy.

Yes she turned away and his shot, aimed at her left shoulder, hit her in the right chest.

Another magic bullet.

Or she veered right after being shot!

You refuse to accept the reality that the wheels of her vehicle were already turned away from the officer.

Why is that?    What is the value in your mind of denying the overwhelming video evidence?

Watch:   x

Watch:

Interesting article today on how modern LIDAR ice mapping in Greenland "rediscovered"  Camp Century, a former US Army base that experimented with nuclear power in an environment carved out of  a glacier with the task of evaluating whether we could hide nuclear missiles there.

The base, which was built in 1959 and deactivated in 1967, is now buried in 100 feet of ice.

One thing they learned was how unstable the ice was - it moves over time, slowly but surely, eventually crushing everything.

Another magic bullet.

It may have hit the steering wheel, I guess we will find out eventually.

Or she veered right after being shot!

Unfortunately for you, she is right there in Ross's own body camera video, rapidly turning the steering wheel to the right before he shot her.

Anyone in law enforcement knows this was a bad shoot. Not only unnecessary but he put the other agent in dire jeopardy as he was reaching into the car,

suddenly with drawing his hand, both for his own protection and to protect his face from the windshield fragments.

Absolutely reckless endangerment with no good reason.

she is right there in Ross's own body camera video, rapidly turning the steering wheel to the right before he shot her.

That's what the camera saw, that doesn't mean that's what he saw. 

From what was happening, he didn't really need to fear her moving because her wife was still outside the car and was attempting to enter it, but the self locking mechanism engaged because the vehicle was still in reverse and then drive never in park which would've unlocked the doors. 

Now he heard the wife say "Drive, baby, drive, drive", which he could've also interpreted as "get him, get him", the wheels were still turned slightly left and spun forward and the ETC took over and it started towards him. 

I don't know if anyone else noticed this but the SUV rear tires slipped slideways to the left an inch or two as the front corner contacted agent Ross.  He was lucky this all happened on a icy surface, if his feet had caught on dry pavement, he could've been sucked under the vehicle as well as the officer at the drivers door.  

I wonder if the wife didn't think the same thing as Ross said afterwards, since her wife sped off leaving her behind.

Now he heard the wife say "Drive, baby, drive, drive", which he could've also interpreted as "get him, get him"

Nah. 

I wonder if the wife didn't think the same thing as Ross said afterwards, since her wife sped off leaving her behind.

So you are supposing that the wife was thinking "fucking bitch" as she watched her wife careen down the street with bullet holes in her body.   Is that actually what you are trying to say ? 

Not to mention being responsible for sending a moving SUV down a public road with a slumped driver at the wheel.  I’m sure there’s several reasons LE is trained not shoot drivers.  It’s sickening how irresponsible and liable this creep is.

that doesn't mean that's what he saw.

GOOD Point, but that could also mean he had every intention of shooting her the minute he pulled his weapon with his finger on the trigger.

that doesn't mean that's what he saw.

That will not excuse him if there are ever criminal or civil court proceedings, the body cam doesn't lie.

"Drive baby drive" was the passenger giving her permission to leave....they are only a few blocks from home. 

this all happened on a icy surface, if his feet had caught 

True, another good point, but real LEOs are trained not to stand in front of a running car, not to shoot the driver of a moving vehicle or put other officers at risk and to consider the environment, weather etc.

Good, very well could have been served a summons the following day, all of these dramas are unnecessary especially when we supposedly have the right to free speech.  She was  executed by a cowboy whose claim to fame last year was stitches from trying to grab the  steering wheel from a different driver and getting dragged down the street.  Not a bright boy.

Carefully watch these videos and then read what you just wrote.

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You say she was turning when he shot. That's not what I saw.

I guess we'll have to wait for the investigation 

I guess we'll have to wait for the investigation 

You mean let the professionals investigate instead of believing biased internet  investigators?  

Brilliant. Let's see if they think there is enough there to charge him

There is no law enforcement investigation, but I think the Good family lawyers will extensively investigate as they prepare the lawsuit against the government. 

let the professionals investigate

Which professionals are you referring to?

Then law enforcement must have determined there was not enough to charge him

Then law enforcement must have determined there was not enough to charge him

Shoot...my internet lawyer degree saw that the day after it happened

Then law enforcement must have determined there was not enough to charge him

Surely you are aware that the DoJ has taken over the investigation and has effectively derailed the state's efforts to investigate and pursue charges.

There never was a DOJ/FBI investigation.  I'm surprised you dont know that because it has been in the news. 

According to AI

• No Federal Investigation of Agent: Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche confirmed the DOJ was "not investigating" the agent, Jonathan Ross, stating the shooting was justified and did not warrant a federal probe.

So they did enough investigation to determine "the shooting was justified and did not warrant a federal probe"

Case closed.

You mean let the professionals investigate instead of believing biased internet  investigators?  

That doesn't sound like any fun at all.

It took about ten seconds. 

Have no fear though, Good's family has a lawyer and he is already talking about the investigation that is going to be done for the civil trial. 

Todd Blanche short circuited the process of making that decision.

On January 7, 2026, ICE agent Jonathan Ross shot and killed Renee Good during an   immigration operation   in Minneapolis.   Within days, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche announced there was “currently no basis for a criminal civil rights investigation” —stopping any investigation before it could begin.

At least four senior prosecutors from the Civil Rights Division resigned in the immediate aftermath of the decision , followed by six federal prosecutors in Minnesota. What they were protesting wasn’t a prosecutorial decision. It was the dismantling of the process that’s supposed to produce that decision.

The Civil Rights Division’s Role

The Civil Rights Division exists to   prosecute government officials   who abuse their power. Unlike every other part of DOJ—which handles crimes committed by regular people—this division investigates crimes committed by people with badges.

How DOJ's Civil Rights Division Normally Investigates Police Shootings | GovFacts

Yesterday, VP Vance declared that the man is immune. Also not true, but as long as this Administration is in power, it will probably stand.

Fine with me.

And, of course, you buy what the corrupt Trump administration is selling.

Or I just dont think everything they say is a lie

How do you tell the difference?

Given Trump is a pathological liar who almost never tells the truth and has surrounded himself with sycophants who do whatever they believe he wants them to do, by what criteria do you determine that you have encountered a rare case where the administration is not lying?

Especially in a situation where lying is to their advantage.

And on top of that, in a case where we can watch clear video with analysis and see with our own eyes that they are lying.

I’m still waiting for you to acknowledge that anything that comes out of the administration is a lie.

That doesn't sound like any fun at all.

Of course not.  You might not get what you want.

I never suggested otherwise.  

Well, in the last 16 hours both Trump and Vance have softened their tones about ICE "mistakes"

admitting that mistakes have been made and will probably continue to be made,

because ICE isn't getting the level of support they need from the entire city of Minneapolis, specifically the Police and the state of Minnesota.

In other words, it's the law abiding, well trained LEO's  who won't support these hastily hired and ill trained DHS & HHS employees that descended on Minneapolis,

terrorizing immigrants who are in the system, their families and US Citizens alike.

Bondi and Noem must be idiots to get bent out of shape over a peaceful protest at a church whose minister, remarkably, is an ICE employee.

Screaming about terrorizing children at church while ICE raids public schools?