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Dem pols battle against national voter ID rule despite 71% of their voters backing it

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  9 months ago  •  105 comments

By:   Story by Ryan King

Dem pols battle against national voter ID rule despite 71% of their voters backing it
Critically, it is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections. Republican backers of the SAVE Act contend that requiring proof of citizenship will help enforce existing law.

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Top Democratic lawmakers are digging their heels in opposition to a federal voter identification requirement, despite polling showing that close to three-quarters of their voters back it.

A colossal 83% of US adults support requiring some form of government-issued photo ID to vote, including 71% of Democrats and 95% of Republicans, a survey by Pew Research last year found.

Only 16% of American adults oppose it.

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“It’s Jim Crow 2.0,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) told MS NOW last week when presented with that polling data and asked about his opposition to the GOP’s Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act.

The SAVE Act, which has  already cleared the House , would require voters nationwide to show proof of citizenship in order to cast their ballot. Democrats are leveraging the 60-vote filibuster to block it in the Senate.

“I called it Jim Crow 2.0, and the right wing went nuts all over the internet. That’s because they know it’s true. What they’re trying to do here is the same thing that was done in the South for decades to prevent people of color from voting,” Schumer added.

Schumer argued that the measure would potentially hamstring women who get married and change their last name, and individuals who have lost track of their birth certificates from voting.

The top Senate Democrat predicted the SAVE Act wouldn’t get any Democratic votes.

“It’s still going to be something that disenfranchises people that don’t have the proper real ID, driver’s license ID, that don’t have the ID necessary to vote even though they are citizens,” Sen. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) told ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday when asked about the survey.

“This is another way to simply suppress the vote.”

A new Pew Research Center poll shows that 71% of Democrats are in favor of requiring photo ID to vote. Sen. Adam Schiff disagrees, telling ABC News'  @JonKarl  that it is “another way to simply try to suppress the vote.”  https://t.co/Sp8hHSWy8u   pic.twitter.com/2sHLJlXXjL

— This Week (@ThisWeekABC)

February 8, 2026

Critically, it is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections. Republican backers of the SAVE Act contend that requiring proof of citizenship will help enforce existing law.

Members of the right flank in the House pressed to tack the SAVE Act into the government funding bill last week as a means of attempting to jam the Senate with it. Ultimately, leadership declined to do that, eager to end the four-day government shutdown as soon as possible.

“I haven’t said that they’re wrong,” House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) told CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday about voter ID.

“What Republicans are trying to do is to engage in clear and blatant voter suppression, and they know that if there’s a free and fair election in November, they’re going to lose,” he added.

Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) backed voter ID laws, telling Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures” that “those things are not Jim Crow.” It’s not fully clear where he stands on the SAVE Act, though he has predicted it won’t clear the Senate.

President Trump has been staunchly in favor of passing the SAVE Act, but Republicans will almost certainly be unable to wrangle it through the Senate without nuking the filibuster, a red line for many GOP senators.

“I am asking all Republicans to fight for the following: SAVE AMERICA ACT!” Trump  posted on Truth Social  on Sunday. ” 1. ALL VOTERS MUST SHOW VOTER ID (IDENTIFICATION!).

“2. ALL VOTERS MUST SHOW PROOF OF UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP TO REGISTER FOR VOTING. 3. NO MAIL-IN BALLOTS (EXCEPT FOR ILLNESS, DISABILITY, MILITARY, OR TRAVEL!).”

Ironically, during the first year of the Biden administration, Senate Democrats  contemplated weakening the filibuster  to pass an election reform law that would impose requirements such as same-day voter registration and mandatory 15 days of early voting nationwide.

Ultimately, that effort failed because former Sens. Joe Manchin (I-WV) and Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.) opposed any effort to weaken the filibuster.

Pew Research had sampled 3,554 US adults from Aug. 4-10, 2025, with a margin of error of plus or minus 1.8 percentage points.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

On the federal voting ballot, the question is asked: Are you a citizen of the US?

There is no provision for anyone to verify the answer.


Why do democrats resist voting integrity?

 
 
 
shona1
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1.1  shona1  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    9 months ago

Evening Vic..but how else can you be on the electoral roll other than being a US citizen?

Surely you wouldn't even get your hands on a ballot paper if you aren't registered?

Maybe I am missing something or perhaps you mob do it differently...

But the main question why on earth do you mob have such dramas when it comes to voting and elections?

So many other countries do it with less drama, disputes and upheavals and it seems to drag on for years..

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.1  JBB  replied to  shona1 @1.1    9 months ago

It is already highly illegal for anyone ineligible in any way to place an illegal ballot. This includes felons and noncitizens and anyone otherwise ineligible. All but one state, Louisiana a red state, use paper ballots so if anyone ineligible votes it is easy to detect and prosecut them making illegal ballots extremely rare. The gop has no problem with election integrity in the States and races the gop wins. Trump and MAGA claim otherwise only when they lose. Many studies and recounts proved it simply isn't a problem. The fraud and illegality when found are mostly related to the $$$...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  shona1 @1.1    9 months ago
Evening Vic..but how else can you be on the electoral roll other than being a US citizen?

Good morning shona. Over the past few decades democrats have enabled automatic registration. For instance, in California when you go to the DMV to get a driver's license you are also offered voter registration and just like with the federal voter ballot, you are asked about citizen status, but there is no mechanism to check if you are indeed a citizen. It is basically an honor system. I'll let you see for yourself how the "honor system" worked out at West Point. Let's face it West Point cadets are far more trustworthy than illegal migrants trying to show support for democrats.


Surely you wouldn't even get your hands on a ballot paper if you aren't registered?

But registering is coupled with getting a driver's license and your simple word that you are a citizen.


Maybe I am missing something or perhaps you mob do it differently...

Yes, you are and that is understandable. You live in a country which is a continent to itself. Migrants can't simply walk in and you don't have a political party determined to replace citizen voters. However, judging by your present government, you should be cautious.


But the main question why on earth do you mob have such dramas when it comes to voting and elections?

Well, you see, our constitution says that only state legislatures get to make election rules. All that changed in 2020 when a lawyer for the Clinton campaign and the DNC found a way to get around state legislatures and got massive mail in voting instituted. At the time the excuse was because of the pandemic, but most people knew that democrats would see to it that it became permanent. US elections have always been under threat since the days of Tammany Hall and drastic and controversial measures taken under the Voting Rights Act. I realize that it is hard for somebody to understand who lives in a country that doesn't have the problems that the US has.


So many other countries do it with less drama, disputes and upheavals and it seems to drag on for years.

Australia's old immigration policies spared your fellow citizens from all of it. Count your blessings and thank your ancestors.




 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @1.1.1    9 months ago
It is already highly illegal for anyone ineligible in any way to place an illegal ballot.

Just like it was highly illegal for anyone to lie on a FISA warrant request. When nobody checks there are no consequences.


The gop has no problem with election integrity in the States and races the gop wins. 

I live in a state where Trump got 40% of the vote, yet we haven't got a single Republican representative or Senator in DC. Our state legislature is overwhelmingly democrat. Do you think that is because we are 99% democrat or is it because of redistricting?

How about California where almost 28% are foreign born and the Secretary of State can't say how many non-citizens have voted:

"SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California's top elections official said Tuesday he doesn't yet know if any of the roughly 1,500 people mistakenly registered to vote by the Department of Motor Vehicles cast ballots in the June primary.

Secretary of State Alex Padilla said his office is investigating and working with counties to ensure ineligible people don't vote in the November election."

California election official can't say if non-citizens voted | abc10.com


The bottom line is that a lack of enforcement mechanism exists at both the state and federal levels.


 
 
 
shona1
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1.1.4  shona1  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    9 months ago

Morning..

Here when you turn 18 a letter arrives from the Electrol Office from the Federal Government  requesting you to confirm all the info they already have on you..

If you don't legal action can be taken and only Aussie citizens receive the letter..so if you aren't a citizen, you aren't registered and can't vote..

It's certainly not offered when you go for your driver's licence nor an honour system..

The State's and Territories here have nothing to do with the Electrol system it's all Federal and it's one rule for everyone..makes life easier I think..

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  shona1 @1.1.4    9 months ago

Very good.

Keep it that way and learn from the mistakes made in the US.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  shona1 @1.1.4    9 months ago
The State's and Territories here have nothing to do with the Electrol system it's all Federal and it's one rule for everyone.

I don't like the idea of our election laws being nationalized. The GOP used to be all about "states' rights" until Der Fuhrer was elected. Now they want to control everything including down to what I eat for breakfast.

And I don't agree with mandatory voting. We have too many uneducated idiots for that

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.6    9 months ago
I don't like the idea of our election laws being nationalize

Then you should have spoken up when democrats first suggested it and tried to pass their HR1


 The GOP used to be all about "states' rights" until Der Fuhrer was elected. 

Wrong again. It was democrats who first enunciated "states' rights" when they seceded from the union. Since then they have been in favor of it every time they have been out of power.


And I don't agree with mandatory voting. We have too many uneducated idiots for that

Agreed. Who wants an election decided by someone flipping a coin.

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.8  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.7    9 months ago

Are you disowning the gop of today then? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @1.1.8    9 months ago

For what?

Be specific

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.9    9 months ago

We seem to be suffering from some kind of delay glitch

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.10    9 months ago

Apologies to any readers we still have who are falling asleep.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.11    9 months ago

What should I do to fill up the time?

When lady luck favors you, what do you do?

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.12    9 months ago

How about some local news for our friend who disappeared?

The bad news my friend is that Mamdani is getting to the Bronx last.

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Springtime in NYC will be a bit different this year.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    9 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.15  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.14    9 months ago

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JBB
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1.1.16  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.15    9 months ago

Crime in NYC in January dropped to record lows. Snow removal has been more important than trash removal. Trash cannot be removed before the snow. Butt, you know this. Mandani is doing GREAT!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.17  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @1.1.16    9 months ago

Says who?  The NYPD which gladly fudges the stats for the mayor?

I am glad that he is getting rid of the homeless people:

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JBB
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1.1.18  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.17    9 months ago

SNAP OUT OF IT! NYC crime: Murders and shootings drop to historic lows in January original

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.20  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @1.1.18    9 months ago

We are only 10 days into January!

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.21  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.20    9 months ago

WRONGO! IT IS NOT JANUARY! Today is Feb. the 10th, Vic! Snap Out Of It!

SMH!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.22  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @1.1.21    9 months ago

Yup, that's my problem. I don't know what month it is.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.1.23  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.22    9 months ago

The point remains that contrary to your false narrative crime already came down significantly in NYC under Zohran Mandani's leadership. He is doing great! So there is a lot more you do not know than hust what month it is. Which you did not know to the sad point of actually SCREAMING AT ME! 

Look up there ^ and pass a cognitive test!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.24  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @1.1.23    9 months ago
He is doing great!

However he does, I am certain of one thing: whoever is voting in NYC will keep right on voting for him and other degenerates just like him.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.1.25  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.24    9 months ago

Pure MAGA projection. What day is it?

Pitiful...

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.26  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.24    9 months ago

Problem is...the degenerates think they are the smart ones..

Pitiful!!!!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.27  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  bugsy @1.1.26    9 months ago

The Dunning-Kruger effect!

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.28  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @1.1.26    9 months ago

Funny how college graduates are much more likely to be liberals than those who failed to graduate college or even high school. 

Yep. Trump likes his base to be stupid and ignorant just like him.

P.S. Trump hired smart kids to take all of his college exams. 

P.S.S. All of Trumps professors said that he was the loudest and most stupid               kid in their classes. This is public record.

No wonder it's moron MAGA folk who were drop-outs who support him.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.29  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.27    9 months ago

Yes Vic, you are a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.30  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.17    9 months ago
The NYPD which gladly fudges the stats for the mayor?

Surely you have evidence to support this claim.....

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.31  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.12    9 months ago

I am sure she is overjoyed that her husband has cheated on her... wonderful, happy marriage. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.32  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.30    9 months ago

Yes, I do:

In  2010,  more  than  half  of  309  retired  NYPD  officers   admitted  to  fudging  crime  stats  in  a  survey  conducted  by  two  academicians  from  Molloy  and  John  Jay  Colleges.  Most  of  the  respondents  served  as  precinct  commanders  after  CompStat  was  implemented.

Fudge factor: Cooking the books on crime stats



 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.33  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.31    9 months ago

Hillary never complained. And George Stephanopoulos, who worked for the Clintons, created a whole command center designed to smear Bill Clinton’s sexual assault and rape accusers.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    9 months ago
Why do democrats resist voting integrity?

Because it gets them more useful idiots, willing to vote them in for promises of more free shit, to get more power, to promise giving away even more free shit, to get even more power, to attract even more useful idiots and on and on it goes …..

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.2    9 months ago

Bingo!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @1.2    9 months ago
Why do democrats resist voting integrity?

The reality is that they resist the unnecessary onerous Republican and whiny bitch ass bigots voting rules. They have no problem with voting integrity. If the dumb fucking bitches claiming voter fraud could actually prove that it was an actual problem in such number to change ANY fucking election, then maybe they'd have a point. But they don't, because undocumented immigrants aren't voting in the numbers these bigots fantasize about.

Anyone pushing these bigoted voter laws because they "assume" illegals are voting are just fucking stupid ass xenophobic bigots who don't deserve to be called Americans because they're just too fucking stupid. Can't we just deport these fucking dumb fucks to Russia or something? They seem to like the authoritarianism and white Christo-fascism more than they like being an American so it's a win win.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.2    9 months ago
They have no problem with voting integrity.

Then why do dimwitted, bitch assed bitches have a problem with requiring valid ID to prove voter qualifications?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.3    9 months ago
Then why do dimwitted, bitch assed bitches have a problem with requiring valid ID to prove voter qualifications?

They don't, those folk support voter ID laws because they're fucking stupid and think there is a problem where there is none. Rational Americans know that the voter ID laws are actually intentionally designed to disenfranchise eligible voters as Republicans know because they gathered data on when certain groups tend to vote and how many have current valid ID's which are NOT fucking required to be a citizen or to vote. It could be as simple as unpaid parking tickets keeping someone from not being able to renew a license, so these onerous unnecessary laws that clearly stupid bigots are pushing for no reason because they have ZERO fucking evidence of any widespread illegal immigrant voter fraud are really just targeting students, the poor, the elderly and others who have a more difficult time maintaining a valid form of ID. Republicans do it because they know many of these groups tend to vote Democrat and were found by the court to be targeting African American voters with "surgical precision" cutting off certain Sunday voting days they knew were large get out the vote days in certain black communities. It's not just the ID's, it's all the laws Republicans are trying to pass that are blatantly partisan and all this shit with extreme gerrymandering started by the fucking bigots afraid of losing power. Anyone with more than half a brain can see it, sadly there are apparently a plethora of those with empty heads who support this shit and carry water for these despicable bigoted liars who have convinced their gullible masses of something that doesn't fucking exist. Poor dumb fucking rubes.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.2.5  cjcold  replied to  Sparty On @1.2    9 months ago

Actually democrats don't. It's always republicans that are caught and charged with voting crimes. Look it up. Trump is a perfect example of election crimes. How Trump is allowed to be president is a mystery to me. He should be in prison!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.6  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.4    9 months ago

I rest my case ….

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.7  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @1.2.5    9 months ago

“Always” is a bridge too far for most thinking people and is usually indicative of a wanting intellect for those who insisted on its regular usage.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.6    9 months ago
I rest my case ….

That is what happened when someone's argument doesn't have a leg to stand on and they're faced with irrefutable facts that destroy their premise. Glad you realize the futility of trying to argue that voter ID laws are anything but an intentional attempt to disenfranchise eligible American voters.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.9  Sparty On  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.8    9 months ago
That is what happened when someone's argument doesn't have a leg to stand on

Nope, it happens when the opposition has already lost the case by proving itself guilty as charged.

Sad but true

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.2.10  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.9    9 months ago
Approximately   1,561   instances
Since   2000,   there   have   been   approximately   1,561   instances   of   voter   fraud   that   resulted   in   1,325   convictions .   In   2024   alone,   there   were   20   new   cases   brought   against   individuals   for   various   fraudulent   activities   related   to   voting.   This   data   highlights   the   rarity   of   voter   fraud   incidents   in   the   United   States,   with   very   few   cases   affecting   election   outcomes.  
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Surely this proves voter fraud is a major problem in this country/S
Had to be over a BILLION votes cast since 2000 and they've found 1,561 instances, oh my. 
The voter fraud is Republicans and Trump demanding changes in a system not broken.
For the record, I have not a problem with some acceptable solution for some type of voter ID, but it is so obvious, from Trumps attempted gerrymandering via mid decade census changes and this sudden 'need', this sudden new requirement demanded by the corrupt GOP to change our voter laws is due to them knowing that the Blue swell ain't gonna go so well, for the Red states and the Maga that can go to hell
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.2.10    9 months ago
Surely this proves voter fraud is a major problem in this country/S

So we wait until voter fraud swings an election before we try and make our election system more robust?  What kind of signal does it send to bad actors if we take a "some election fraud is OK"?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.2.12  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.2.11    9 months ago
"some election fraud is OK"?

No matter WHAT is done, there will never be a 100% safe way to have an election where there are hundreds of millions of voters and have ZERO voter fraud. Yet under 1600 cases with over a Billion votes cast is a pretty impressive record. Also, there were probably more Republicans found committing voter fraud than Dems

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.2.12    9 months ago
there will never be a 100% safe way to have an election where there are hundreds of millions of voters and have ZERO voter fraud.

It is always a goal to make things better, especially when it seems cheaters are becoming more sophisticated. 

 Also, there were probably more Republicans found committing voter fraud than Dems

Cheating is cheating.  Does it really matter to you who is doing the cheating?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.14  Sparty On  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.2.10    9 months ago

Verifying voter bona fides has always been a bedrock principle of US elections systems.    Always.   Now some  Democrats are trying to gaslight the public that it isn’t?  

Nonsense!    You know it, I know it and the American people definitely know it.   By a super majority percentage no less.    So stop with the nonsense.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.2.15  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.2.13    9 months ago
It is always a goal to make things better, especially when it seems cheaters are becoming more sophisticated. 

Seems as if it became awfully important issue when it is increasingly likely that the GOP is going to lose, as they deservedly should, big time in November. In fact, since Trump became a politician, it seems he created voter fraud, cause it was never much of a problem till he said it was, and we all know he would never lie.

 From his corrupt DOJ attempting to get the voter rolls. illegally mind you, in order to leave Minnesota alone, to threatening troops, as Bannon recently promised, to 'protect' voting places, it should be obvious that Trump and GOP Cump. are attempting to disenfranchise American Voters. Fck that and them!  

"Cheating is cheating.  Does it really matter to you who is doing the cheating?"

Yes, actually it does. I find it rather interesting that the accusers are often more guilty than those they do accuse and say are the 'reason' for these needed obstructions for voters.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.16  Sparty On  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.2.12    9 months ago
Yet under 1600 cases with over a Billion votes cast is a pretty impressive record.

And if you truly believe that as the total number, I have a slightly used suspension bridge to sell you connecting Michigans two peninsulas.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.2.17  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.14    9 months ago
stop with the nonsense.

Yes, please do. a small percentage of 1 percent is NOT changing the outcome of our elections, Trump and the LYING GOP are attempting to disenfranchise voters to keep control of the Government, PERIOD

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.2.18  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.16    9 months ago
And if you truly believe that as the total number,

That number is from the Heritage Foundation, not exactly a Soros funded Dem promoter. Show me the money, Where's the Beef ? Cause even though I believe you are correct, show me something that PROVES it. Either way, it is not, as Trump claims often, changing election results. All it does is sow doubt in our election process and system. William Barr said Trumps 2020 claims of voter fraud were "Bullshit". 

  This is all about rigging the system to help Republicans keep from being obliterated in November, cause without some sort of interference, I believe Trump and the GOP are going to be obliterated. Time will tell.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.19  Sparty On  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.2.18    9 months ago
That number is from the Heritage Foundation,

So what?    I don’t believe that either.    Not for a minute.    That number discusses irregularities that were found/caught.    Do you really believe that number represents all the potential voter fraud out there?    I sure as hell don’t.

Boy, you trust our elected/appointed officials a lot more than I do.    A lot more.

Trying to convince people that verifying voter bona fides isn’t required may just be the gaslight attempt of the century.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.20  Right Down the Center  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.2.15    9 months ago
Yes, actually it does.

Only to the uber partisans.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.21  Right Down the Center  replied to  Igknorantzruls @1.2.17    9 months ago
Trump and the LYING GOP are attempting to disenfranchise voters to keep control of the Government,

Because only people that vote for dems are not capable of getting id's?  Funny how so many on the left tell us they are soooo much smarter than Trump voters only to say they are not smart enough to get an id.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.22  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.16    9 months ago

And if you truly believe that as the total number, I have a slightly used suspension bridge to sell you connecting Michigans two peninsulas.

You have evidence that it's more?  Please cite it.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.23  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.9    9 months ago
Sad but true

I have yet to hear anything 'true' in your posts, they are chock full of rightwing fantasy, but if that's what you're into be my guest. At least be honest enough to admit that the voter ID laws have nothing to do with preventing undocumented immigrants from voting. Without a scintilla of evidence proving any widespread undocumented immigrant voting you can't expect to still be believed when you continue to use such a lame debunked excuse, do you? Talk about sad.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2.24  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.16    9 months ago
And if you truly believe that as the total number, I have a slightly used suspension bridge to sell you connecting Michigans two peninsulas.

Why do you believe it's not? Your gut? Right wing media? It just 'feels' like that number is off? I've been asking for evidence of any widespread undocumented immigrant voter fraud for YEARS and so far, the best these morons can come up with is reports that a few handfuls of undocumented immigrants were added to voter rolls in error through the motor voter programs. The fucking dipshit conservatives don't even have any evidence that any of those who got added to the rolls ever even tried to vote. God they're fucking useless.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    9 months ago

Last time I went to vote in my backwoods/backwards county that I grew up in, the vast majority of the poll workers had known me since I was a child. We all knew each other's names, our parents and children's names. Luckily, I had my DL on me or I think that they might not have allowed me to vote. Rules over reason. I'll be voting by mail in the future.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2  Hal A. Lujah    9 months ago

The gop goal is clearly to steal the election.  If they could federalize a requirement to bring a birth certificate in order to vote in person, and outlaw any other method, they’d do it in a heartbeat.  Sorry ladies, this birth certificate does not match the name on your drivers license.  We won’t press charges, but you will not be allowed to vote today.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    9 months ago
The gop goal is clearly to steal the election.

Projection. That is what democrats are trying to do. Who the fuck would vote for Ilhan Omar?  Who voted for her?

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.1  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    9 months ago

Obviously, lots of folk voted for her. But not far right-wing racist fascists.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @2.1.1    9 months ago
lots of folk voted for her.

Who are they?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    9 months ago
The gop goal is clearly to steal the election.

Yet there is THIS

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    9 months ago

HA! I'm so glad I didn't change my name when I got married even tho I got a lot of grief from it. My daughter didn't change hers, either. I guess you could say we're just a couple of "feminazis"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.3    9 months ago

Every father of the bride should be happy with that.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    9 months ago

Additionally, birth certificates often lack information that matches a person’s current identity. For instance, someone who has changed their name through marriage or court order may need to present a third document (such as a marriage certificate) to join their proof of citizenship (e.g., birth certificate) with their proof of identity (e.g., driver’s license), further decreasing the likelihood that a voter will have the appropriate documentation on hand to successfully register.

Even if voters were to provide documentary proof of citizenship, verifying the authenticity of those documents is an inherently complex task, one that election officials and motor vehicle departments often do not have the resources or training to perform.

I rest my case.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.4    9 months ago

I think proof of identity should be required when you register to vote, after that it is not really necessary. There is no jurisdiction in America that allows unregistered people to vote. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.4.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @2.4.1    9 months ago

There is no jurisdiction in America that allows unregistered people to vote. 

There’s also no jurisdiction in America that allows registered voters to vote more than once in an election, but republicans still try.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.5  cjcold  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    9 months ago

Don't forget the requirement of a current picture ID.

Interesting that with all these rules that it is only republicans that get charged with voting violations. Liberals have always tended to follow rules while right wingers have always tended to flaunt them. 

Could it be that liberals are more educated and are smarter than conservatives?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    9 months ago

Cheating is the only way democrats can survive politically, so making it as easy to do  and hard to criminally prove  as possible is literally a life and death issue for the party. Hence why the leadership  don’t care that the majority of their actual voters want voter id. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    9 months ago
Cheating is the only way democrats can survive politically

Just a few examples of that lying

  • Russia Collusion
  • Trying to steal the election
  • Inciting a riot (J6)
 
 
 
cjcold
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3.2  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    9 months ago

That is an idiotic statement. Far from the first you've made here.

From gerrymandering to outright voter fraud the GOP leads the way. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.3  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    9 months ago

Cheating is the only way Sean can survive realistically... See how easy it was to type that? Why don't you try actually proving some of your bare assertions and then maybe we can talk.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4  Jeremy Retired in NC    9 months ago
“I called it Jim Crow 2.0, and the right wing went nuts all over the internet. That’s because they know it’s true. What they’re trying to do here is the same thing that was done in the South for decades to prevent people of color from voting,” Schumer added.

“It’s still going to be something that disenfranchises people that don’t have the proper real ID, driver’s license ID, that don’t have the ID necessary to vote even though they are citizens,” Sen. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) told ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday when asked about the survey.

I wonder if Schumer and Schiff are in a state of constant pain from being this fkng stupid.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4    9 months ago

Who knows but they certainly have the unmitigated gall to tell a supermajority of Americans that they are completely wrong.    Their insolence has no boundaries.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sparty On @4.1    9 months ago

These dipshits (and their idiot followers) are doubling / tripling down on stupid.  What really makes it sad is that they don't understand it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5  Right Down the Center    9 months ago
“I called it Jim Crow 2.0, and the right wing went nuts all over the internet. That’s because they know it’s true. What they’re trying to do here is the same thing that was done in the South for decades to prevent people of color from voting,” Schumer added. “It’s still going to be something that disenfranchises people that don’t have the proper real ID, driver’s license ID, that don’t have the ID necessary to vote even though they are citizens,” Sen. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) told ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday when asked about the survey.

They really can't help insulting the minorities ability to get something like an ID.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6  Nerm_L    9 months ago

People must register to vote.  Voter verification of registration information is part of the process for receiving a ballot anyway.  I don't understand why the registration card cannot include a photo or a thumb print to use for biometric identification.  What's the problem with required voters to present their registration cards when they vote?

Computer biometric security based on fingerprints extracts data from the ridges and valleys to create a hash code (a numeric version of the fingerprint).  By including the hash code on the registration card and in the registration database as a bar code, the system could verify identity with a simple scan of the barcode.  The biometric code and signature on a registration card could serve as an ID.  That wouldn't add any burdens or hurdles to voting because voter registration is already a requirement to vote.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Nerm_L @6    9 months ago
I don't understand why the registration card cannot include a photo or a thumb print to use for biometric identification.  What's the problem with required voters to present their registration cards when they vote?

If we use the Democrats justification - minorities don't have the ability to provide any of that.  Remember New York governor said Black kids in the Bronx do not know the word ‘computer’.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.1    9 months ago
If we use the Democrats justification - minorities don't have the ability to provide any of that.  Remember New York governor said Black kids in the Bronx do not know the word ‘computer’.

Nowadays computers can turn thumbprints into a barcode (or for government uses a PDF417 barcode).  Presumably Black kids have thumbs.  Technology really has addressed all of the Democrats' excuses.  A registration card can be used as an ID for voting. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.1    9 months ago

We both know that it will still be spun that minorities can't do it for one reason or another.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.1    9 months ago
A registration card can be used as an ID for voting. 

Not in Texas.  Our registration cards do not have photo ID, only our driver's licenses which they scan before you get your ballot.

No different than AZ, CA, SC, FL, PA, NJ or RI from personal experience.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.1.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.3    9 months ago
Not in Texas.  Our registration cards do not have photo ID, only our driver's licenses which they scan before you get your ballot. No different than AZ, CA, SC, FL, PA, NJ or RI from personal experience.

You mean to tell me that poll workers in Texas would reject a voter registration card?  Minnesota doesn't have a vote ID requirement, either.  I still present my voter registration card which greatly speeds the process because all the information the poll worker needs is on the card.  The registration card makes the poll workers job easier and more efficient.

I had to provide proof of identity and residency to register to vote.  That's where I was identified.  So, yes, my registration card is proof of identity for voting.  The card verifies my identifying information in registration roll.  

There's more information on a voter registration card than on an soldier's dog tag.  Is there some expectation to transform those dog tags into a stand alone biometric identification card?  Why not just tattoo numbers on everyone's arm or embed an ID chip under the skin?  The registration card and dog tag only verifies identifying information that has already been collected.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.4    9 months ago
You mean to tell me that poll workers in Texas would reject a voter registration card?

It's not required, nor is it sufficient without a valid photo ID.

They type your name into the computer from your driver's license. It brings up your registration, all the times you voted and where.

They then scan both sides of the driver's license and return it to you as you move to the next station to get your ballots. They have been waving off  the registration cards for years.

This last time, the emergency election was on the 31st of January and the cards, which expired in December, hadn't been mailed out yet.  I got mine the week, the bride is still waiting

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.2  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @6    9 months ago
What's the problem with required voters to present their registration cards when they vote?

Nothing except see #1.2 above.     There ya go.

 
 
 
charger 383
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7  charger 383    9 months ago

People complaining about Federal control need to remembwe the Voting Rights Act is Federal

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  charger 383 @7    9 months ago

Don't you think states's should retain their control over elections? Aren't you a states' rights person?

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.1.1  charger 383  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1    9 months ago

Just pointing out Federal control is already there. So for States rights that would need to go 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8  seeder  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Update:

"The House passed legislation Wednesday that would require Americans to  show proof of citizenship  before registering to vote and provide photo identification before casting a ballot. 

The  Safeguarding American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) America Act  cleared the lower chamber in a 218-213 vote. Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) was the only Democrat to join Republicans and vote yes.

President Trump strongly supports the bill and urged “all Republicans to fight” for the Save Act over the weekend, arguing in a Truth Social post that the country’s elections are “Rigged, Stolen, and a Laughingstock all over the World.” 

“We are either going to fix them, or we won’t have a Country any longer,” the president asserted."

  House passes Trump-backed voter ID bill

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    9 months ago
"The House passed legislation Wednesday that would require Americans to  show proof of citizenship  before registering to vote and provide photo identification before casting a ballot. 

Perhaps it's easier to find out where this doesn't happen instead of pretending no one has thought of it for 250 years, eh?

President Trump strongly supports the bill and urged “all Republicans to fight” for the Save Act over the weekend, arguing in a Truth Social post that the country’s elections are “Rigged, Stolen, and a Laughingstock all over the World.”  “We are either going to fix them, or we won’t have a Country any longer,” the president asserted."

All reasons why he shouldn't be in charge of anything.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9  Right Down the Center    9 months ago

Dems dont seem to care.256

 
 
 
Sparty On
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9.1  Sparty On  replied to  Right Down the Center @9    9 months ago

Liberals are voting for their own demise.

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Sparty On @9.1    9 months ago

‘Liberals are voting for their own demise.’

Where is the argument against that????

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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10  Right Down the Center    9 months ago

256

 
 
 
bugsy
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10.1  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @10    9 months ago

Funniest thing is some of these women democrat politicians are saying women will have to change their birth certificates. 

I’ve never called a liberal woman intelligent, and this me reason to still not do it.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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11  Dismayed Patriot    9 months ago

Fact: No widespread undocumented immigrant voter fraud has ever been found.

Fact: Every American of voting age and eligibility should have easy access to voting with no poll taxes or onerous stops preventing them from the voting booth regardless of income, social status, education, skin color, religion or infirmity.

Fact: Republicans have used voter data to specifically target minority groups that vote Democratic and have passed laws that eliminated days that are 'get out the vote' days in some minority communities as well as removing the most common types of ID such as student ID's.

This is the data that Republicans look at and decide to make stupid fucking voter ID laws, it has nothing to do with them actually believing undocumented immigrants are fraudulently voting, they know that's complete horse shit. This is what they look at to decide voter ID laws:

Photo-ID-Chart_final-1-1024x870.png

The white rightwing conservative bigots know what the data tells them and they know it's in their interest to LIE THEIR FUCKING ASSES OFF by pretending that voter ID laws are about undocumented immigrants voting when they know full well it's anything but. And when challenged on it they revert to their mind numbingly stupid reverse psychology of "Oh, so you're saying black people aren't smart enough to get an ID, you must be a racist!". These rightwing conservative fuck wads know what they're doing, it's not a secret, they know how racist they are, but they know they can't be open about it, they can't just admit to it. They have to deny, deny, deny, because that's what kind of scum they are.

Deny, Deny, Deny: Joey Bishop/Imagene Coca

 
 
 
bugsy
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11.1  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11    9 months ago

Every single person in this country has access to get the appropriate ID to complete everyday tasks.

This includes "transgenders". All they have to do is fill in the block that says "gender" as the gender they were born with.

Easy peasy. 

Oh...and stop pretending you are something you are not. 

BTW,,, most states will give a state approved ID card at a local DMV if you do not want or need a driver's license.

The excuses are just boring now.

And yes, there is video evidence that m any white liberals believe blacks are too stupid to get IDs. If you want proof, let me know...

 
 
 
Snuffy
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12  Snuffy    9 months ago

A friend had posted this on Facebook, thought it fit in to this discussion as well. I know what some of you are already gonna say so don't bother as I won't read the replies. 

"Dear Democrats,

Since you've made it crystal clear that requiring an ID to exercise a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT is "disenfranchisement" and "the new Jim Crow," I have a proposal.

The Second Amendment is a constitutional right. Voting is a constitutional right. You claim requiring ID to vote suppresses people from exercising their right. Okay. Then requiring ID to purchase a firearm suppresses people from exercising THEIR right. Same logic. Same constitution. Same argument.

So here's my challenge to every Republican in Congress: introduce a bill TOMORROW that eliminates ALL identification requirements for purchasing firearms. No background checks. No ID. No waiting periods. Nothing. If Democrats truly believe that ID requirements prevent citizens from exercising constitutional rights, they'll HAVE to support it. Right?

...right?

Watch how fast they twist themselves into pretzels. "Well, THAT'S different because—" 

No. Stop. It's not different. You don't get to argue that an ID requirement is an unconstitutional burden on ONE right but a perfectly reasonable safeguard for ANOTHER. That's not how the Constitution works. Either ID requirements disenfranchise people or they don't. Pick one.

And let's be honest about what's really happening here. The party that created Jim Crow literacy tests, had a former KKK RECRUITER in Robert Byrd filibuster the Civil Rights Act for 14 hours, and segregated federal offices under Woodrow Wilson is now telling me that Black Americans can't figure out how to get a free government ID. India scans fingerprints for 1.4 BILLION voters. But apparently Americans are too helpless to show the same card they used to buy Sudafed on the way to the polls.

The SAVE Act passed the House requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. Democrats fought it tooth and nail. Why? What POSSIBLE reason would you oppose verifying that voters are citizens unless you NEED non-citizens on the rolls?

Quinn's Law #2: "If you want to know what liberals are up to, pay attention to what they accuse conservatives of doing." They scream "voter suppression" while fighting every measure to secure elections. They're not protecting rights. They're protecting a system they can manipulate.

So I'm dead serious. Put the bill on the floor. No ID for gun purchases. Call their bluff. Make them explain why an ID requirement is tyranny at the ballot box but common sense at the gun store. I'll bring the popcorn.

But what do I know? I'm just a guy who thinks constitutional rights should be treated equally — not selectively — depending on which ones the left finds politically convenient."

~Les Davidson
 
 
 
freepress
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13  freepress    9 months ago

The problem is at least a third or more of Americans don't have their original birth certificate, married women are in jeopardy of losing their vote, and less than half of Americans don't have passports.  

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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13.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  freepress @13    9 months ago

Im trying to figure out how a married woman would be in jeopardy of losing the right to vote ? unless you are asserting that her married name and the name on her birth cert is different  thus causing a problem .

wont be a problem in reality , because a marriage  lic/cert also has her maiden / birth name that would be on the birth cert. It is a bridge for the traditional name change that usually happens , or use to when a woman marries . 

 so no risk of losing voting rights for a legal change of last names .

As for birth certs, anyone born from the mid 80s on was  required to get a Social Security number , at the same time the certification of live birth was issued/ registered, it was done automatically  .

 
 
 
Snuffy
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13.2  Snuffy  replied to  freepress @13    9 months ago

It's not that hard to get a copy of one's birth certificate. I was able to go to the State of Wisconsin website (I was born in Wisconsin) and very easily was able to request a certified copy of my birth certificate. It took less than two weeks to get into my hands. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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13.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Snuffy @13.2    9 months ago

I got one for my 98 year old father from CT. It also took 2 weeks. Easy to do.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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13.2.2  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Right Down the Center @13.2.1    9 months ago

I never had the original of mine (BC), My dad when he was alive went into the office that handles that and got a certified copy and sent it too me , i have somehow in the last 2 yrs , misplaced it . ill have to get another , maybe , but i still hold a CDL , which i had to present to get , as well as a passcard , the cheaper , version of a passport , though its not as accepted as a passport and only usable with certain countries in leu of a conventional passport, which i had to have it for.

 when i turned 62 , and went to the Soc sec office to talk to them , they didnt even need any of the paperwork i brought , because it was all already in the system, the guy laughed and said i can track you from when your # was issued , every job you had , every place you have lived and every lic you ever held  even your military DD-214.

 
 

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