Trans dad Robert Dorgan shoots wife, 3 kids in horror 'family dispute' at crowded RI hockey arena — as players and fans are seen scrambling to safety
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Via: vic-eldred • 9 months ago • 69 commentsBy: Story by Chris Nesi, Caitlin McCormack
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A twisted trans father shot his wife, three kids and a family friend in the stands at a high school hockey tournament in Rhode Island Monday — sending the crowd screaming and fleeing for the exits in a panic.
Two people were killed and three others are in critical condition at a hospital after the gunfire erupted at Lynch Arena in Pawtucket around 2:30 p.m., according to cops who described the incident as a targeted family dispute.
The shooter , identified as 56-year-old Robert Dorgan who also went by Roberta Esposito, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, police said.
Dorgan was the father of a senior at North Providence High School, one of the six schools participating in the co-op games, WPRI reported. He shot his son’s mother, their three children, and a family friend who were all spectating at the game, according to reports .
The mother died at the scene and one of the children passed away at the hospital, the local outlet reported.
A woman who was seen leaving the Pawtucket police department following the deadly rampage told reporters, “my father was the shooter” and claimed that he was plagued by “mental health issues.”
“He shot my family, and he’s dead now,” she said, adding that he was “very sick.”
Many players on the bench scrambled as they pushed to squeeze out of the box, with some ditching their skates in the process. Others vaulted over the barrier surrounding the rink and headed straight for the locker room, according to the harrowing video .
Witnesses told CBS News that, in the chaos, they surmised the gunshots were “balloons” popping or “the kids banging the boards with their skates.”
But when the shots continued, they all rushed to evacuate, while some tried to assist the victims in the stands.
A hero bystander disarmed the gunman, but he had another weapon, according to witnesses.
Branden Mello, a local sports editor , said that one father at the game wrestled a gun out of the shooter’s hands, but they still “had a second weapon.”
Olin Lawrence, a sophomore goalkeeper for Coventry High School, told CBS News that he and the other players barricaded themselves inside a locker room.
“We were just trying to be safe. We were trying to see if everyone was all good and if everyone was safe. Just to get everyone on the door. We pressed against the door and just tried to stay safe down in there. It was very scary. We were very nervous. It was a lot of shots,” Olin said.
Melissa Dunn fled the arena, but doubled back to locate her son, who was competing on one of the teams. When she made it back inside, she said she saw people performing CPR on the victims in the stands.
Pawtucket Mayor Donald Grebien said law enforcement is working in tandem with the Rhode Island Attorney General’s Office “to ensure the facts are fully established” before making any other announcements.
“Pawtucket is a strong and resilient community, but tonight we are a city in mourning. We will stand together to support all those affected in the difficult days ahead, and we will keep the public updated as confirmed facts become available,” Grebien said.
The FBI’s Boston field office is also assisting the investigation, FBI Director Kash Patel announced on X.
Lynch Arena is home ice for the Johnson and Wales Wildcats hockey team, and was hosting matches with several local schools at the time.
Students from Coventry, Johnston, North Providence and North Smithfield high schools were all participating in games with St. Raphael Academy and Providence Country Day School when the shooting occurred, as reported by WJAR.
St. Raphael Academy told WJAR that they “have been told none of our [school] family was injured” in the shooting.
Coventry’s superintendent also confirmed that all of the town’s students were accounted for.
Johnston Public Schools told the outlet that its sole student-athlete participating in the tourney and a spectator were both safe.
They added that no other Johnston students were injured, but only “to the best of our knowledge.”
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Another horrific trans shooting.
What is it about this particular form of mental illness that turns them to be so violent towards the most innocent?
What is your particular issue with trans people? They are like 1% of the US population and you seem obsessed. Roughly 70 women killed in the US are killed each month by their domestic partners and here you indicate the problem is gender dysphoria? You're bias isn't even subtle.
Even less than that, but in the past few tears they represent a good percentage of the school shootings.
I'm asking why?
So, when the shooters are white rightwing conservatives it's just an anomaly and no one should look too deep into their politics or faith, they must just be a crazy person. But when a transgender persons attacks someone it's got to be their trans "mental illness" that made them do it so we should all be wary of trans people. That's such a moronic conclusion to draw. 55% of shooters are white and 95% are male. We should definitely worry more about white rightwing conservative incels than we do about a couple crazy trans persons.
Mass Shooting Factsheet | Rockefeller Institute of Government
Maybe its fun for them.
I think it's because they are obsessed with other people's sex lives...especially the non-hetero type
And, predicably, you get attacked for asking questions. They are anti-knowledge zealots who prefer their stereotypes and wishes to any sort of objective view of reality.
When talking about percentages we need to know the sample size. If you have one very small sample size and one very large sample size it's not always a fair to use percentages for comparison.
If A = 2 and B = 1000: Using percentage comparisons between A vs B will never be fair.
Even saying that, one could logically infer the stresses of prejudicial bullshit piled on a person for something they can't change might cause some people some issues.
I suppose I could use the same logic you are inferring about trans people to anti-trans people and deduce a large percentage of anti-trans people must be sexually themself and their lashing out is a manifestation of their own self loathing... see how twisted that logic is when devoid of any facts to back it up?
Then to use, "I'm only asking questions?" is avoiding the responsibility to support one's opinion.
No you are not actually asking why. . . because in cases of other mass shootings. . . MAGA supporting gun rights owners have a 'ready' go-to: Mental illness of the individual (shooter). Therefore, when that ready "go-to" is not applied here. . . we know this is MAGA picking at a trans-person and singling out a class of people for special (negative) attention/treatment.
Well, you know the deal, we want to remind "the Right" about its obligation to be consistent, which by definition, objectivity is. The article mentions a transparent has committed a heinous crime of killing family and friends in public. . . a mass shooter incident. We are not even permitted to 'ingest' that before the rhetoric against the class is turned up and spilled out to overwhelm us. It is sad a sad enough occasion (of injuries and death) without the negativity that seeks to be paramount and ride above (and beyond) what the facts indicate.
I think that the point that they would like to make is that all trans people are mentally ill and all in a dangerous way, by definition. Therefore you must be afraid of all trans people and you have the right to discriminate against them.
That the posits of that reasoning are not true means little to those with such bigoted attitudes. They accept the conclusion as fact, even though it is not.
Who are "they"?
Perhaps one should look at where one is standing before casting the stone.
It is an obvious case of "When life gives you lemons. . . make lemonade." So, the homophobes could not best homosexual marriage and open relationships. . . and have turned themselves to DIVIDING the public over transsexualism (in all its forms and types). Think of it as an aircraft carrier smashing up against a tugboat seeking to break it apart as the boat guides it to dock.
no, they do not.
Mass shooters are not disproportionately transgender, contrary to claims | Snopes.com
There seems to be a trend...
Like every other trend ("trending") you can find on a myriad of other social issues/dilemmas/activities.
Surely, you have a statistical analysis to support this claim and are not relying solely on anecdotal evidence.
More like right-wing populist hysteria and gut feelings.
You mean the question.
The question is based on the fact that four mass shootings in the past five years were perpetrated by transgender people.
Six in all: The August shooting in Minneapolis, the March 2023 shooting at a school in Nashville, the November 2022 shooting at a gay bar in Colorado Springs, Colorado, the May 2019 shooting at a school in Highlands Ranch, Colorado, and the September 2018 shooting at a warehouse in Aberdeen, Maryland and now this one in RI.
Don't bother going back further than that because this transgender phenomenon is a very recent thing.
Anecdotal. Another method of confirmation bias.
Google AI:
Crazy killers come in all varieties. Some are trans. Big surprise.
It seems strange to focus on a shooter's personality instead of focusing on how did they get a gun in the first place if they are mentally ill?
Confirmation bias.
I meant to say sexuality.....not personality
Transpeople are not PERFECT simply because they are Transpeople. Additionally, they like other people, do not claim to be perfect humans. Transpeople are beset by any (and all) maladies and psychological states as the larger populations.
We will never see MAGA supporters point to a heterosexual shooter as: "Heterosexual shooter."
Of course, heterosexual shooters are simply "mentally ill" without the qualifier!
Ask google: When was the first transexual person identified
Do you really recall hearing about 600 incidents on the news in the past in 4 of the last few years?
That is what I mean about AI. It is skewing things. You know damn right well that these "trans" characters have committed school shootings that are way out of proportion to their percentage of the population, and you use Google AI to try and defy what we all know.
Another BS deception. She/he was not part of the Trans craze. That is why I stopped people from using the typical lefty narrative to soften the figures.
Trans didn't come into being until fairly recently and it has been a project of the left.
you can't stop people from doing anything. You don't have that kind of power
So you did not even bother to look at the supporting article in the AI quote. You just assumed it was wrong. Confirmation Bias!
And what kind of bizarre thinking causes you to believe every incident is reported?
I understand that you despise "trans characters" but that is where critical thinking comes in. You need to look past your emotions and deal with facts.
Trump, for example, is not deemed an abysmal human being and pathological liar based on an emotional reaction, the facts show overwhelmingly that this is an accurate assessment.
Emotional bias is a poor substitute for facts.
You quoted 6 incidents in 6 years (and I'm not at all certain all 6 apply but whatever). That's not even a rounding error when compared with the amount of domestic homicides that occur by straight white men in the same period of time.
Between 2019 and 2024 there are a reported (googled) 2,339 domestic homicides. Approximately 77% of all domestic homicide are done by men. Where is your outrage from these victims?
Here's an old joke one of my cousins in Arkansas told once, I added the "rightwing conservative" part because he was and still is a massive rightwing conservative and thought this joke was funnier than shit. His version just said "husband".
"What does a rightwing conservative tell his wife with two black eyes?"
"Nothing he ain't already told her twice..."
You can't expect rightwing conservatives to care about the thousands of wives getting beaten or killed by straight conservative Christian men each year, they have to be overly outraged about the stories they hear about trans people doing crazy things because you know, trans! It's never been about the victims; it's about their world view where the existence of trans people justifies their abuse of liberals, progressives and anyone that doesn't conform to their desired Christo-fascist rule.
This reminds me of an article I read yesterday about young women not wanting to date young men who haven't ever been taught how to deal with their own emotional growth. We've been raising a new generation of date rapers and domestic abusers, making excuses for them.
I am disgusted by this MAGA train of thought/speaking on this issue. Apparently, they think they have a (insulated) right to say (lie) anything about people they MOCK! Taking no responsibility for the facts that real people (with feelings) are involved.
They don't care about anyone's feelings**. A person with no empathy is evil. That was the conclusion of the psychiatrist who studied the defendants at Nuremburg.
**but Dear God! Do NOT trigger their feelings
Because we ALL have feelings which move us in one direction or another—everyday. These people. . .MAGA supporters. . . are tirelessly laboring to delusion the country into RETURNING to an earlier state of consciousness. . . where conservative objectivity (emphasis on the qualifier) means we all live without variance and diversity under strong conservative control. That meaning, liberals are supposed to acclimatize themselves to being managed as done to them in the past. As a nation, former presidents, governors, certain kinds of church denominations (as classes) have APOLOGIZED for their past STUPID and RIDICULOUS attitudes, policies, and lack of positive activities towards groups they mistreated, abused, and outright lied against so much so as to end in death!
As we can see the 'FOSSILS" -yet breathe.
fossils will become buried in time
Domestic homicides are not school shootings.
Nor is the issue in the article you posted.
You mean this one involved family members?
There were hockey games going on and mostly kids there. The basics are present in this one as well. It is the murder of decent innocent people.
It is almost as though they have a hatred for those living a traditional life.
Yes, the definition of domestic.
So now all sporting arenas are schools?
The basics of what? People?
Which you have not proved has anything to do with gender identity or gender dysphoria.
That sounds like a projection of your bias.
no, it just means that this one was slightly different.
The basics of what? People?
As far as I can see, a hate for the innocent/traditional lifestyle. That's twice now.
Which you have not proved has anything to do with gender identity or gender dysphoria.
No, I didn't offer any prognosis. I merely said that it seems that way.
That sounds like a projection of your bias.
It is an opinion based upon those they chose to murder.
'Leave it to Beaver' was a fantasy even in the 50's.
That's just it. YOU don't know. You only know what you've been told by your favorite conspiracy sources.
Government propaganda
And here you engage in a truly preposterous faulty generalization where you muse that ALL trans have a hatred for those living a traditional life.
This is the conservative mind at work.
Focus on purity while ignoring real criminals.
Focus on the non citizen welfare fraud of $1.3 billion and ignore the welfare fraud of American citizens $246Billion.
Focus on the one non citizen on the Colorado voting roles but ignore all of the Republicans caught committing actual voting fraud.
Focus on trying to pass laws in Texas to prevent illegal aliens from getting state benefits when it's already state law.
Running for office on the same nonsense and claiming they will amend the Texas Constitution when it's already there.
Focusing on a federal election ID law when elections are clearly already scrutinized as tightly as possible and Constitutionally the 50 State's responsibility.
Starting off with a sweeping generalization that they conservatives get ticketed for is a great example of the progressive mind at work.
By all means, let's see your evidence. Show us the conservatives arguing to ignore welfare fraud...
A school shooting is not comparable in any way to a person shooting their own family anywhere with the exception they are both violent crimes.
As far as you can see? You're not even trying to come up with something based on fact. You are projecting your fears on others to justify your prejudices.
Try getting out of your bubble sometime. It's eye opening.
It's an opinion based on feelings. You have no idea what their motivations are and have not put up any supporting documentation to support your argument. I am certainly NOT excusing murderers in any way. I'm only saying you can't scapegoat a whole subsection of people to score political points.
And you keep bring up "traditional lifestyle" like that means something. It really doesn't. It never has. While we are here... LGBTQA+ are not a monolithic group anymore than straight people. They are not a threat to those who live and support traditional lifestyles. They just want to live with the same opportunities that straight people have... jobs, homes, healthcare, love and all the other things that create a life.
Do your own research, it's exhausting having to repost easily googled sources.
I apologize for your twisting my words into a misunderstanding of what I wrote here and elsewhere.
A major conservative talking point is non citizens on welfare and causing welfare fraud.
Our government reports attempts that could cost 1.3Bllion but 20% are never paid out. Low hanging fruit for campaigning,
but none that I could find are campaigning against the American citizen's abuse of welfare to the tune of $246Billion because it would affect their own constituents.
Have a pleasant Friday.
For emphasis
Funny how the article specifically mentions Trans in the title, but doesn’t even use the word or discuss that aspect in the article. Just one tiny allusion in the name the shooter went by. Is this serious journalism? I think not.
It's not like it isn't factual. Better than what the (m)ass media published.
I'd say it's on par with CNN, MS Now, Huffington Post, NYT, etc.
Sure thing. You’d probably be excited to read an upcoming rwnj article about a man who found a cure for cancer, titled “Can you believe what this faggot and his husband do to each other in the privacy of their bedroom?”
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My seed and in 2 days it has had but 5 comments including my own. Shape up, being boring is the 8th deadly sin and you are on life support.
It;s funny. You would know that if you had a sense of humor
Congratulations.
Doesn't change anything.
On a serious note, the murder of anybody-trans—, hetero—, homo—, and human is a sure indicator of mental illness/distress/suffering.
Oh now THIS is hilarious:
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You just can't make shit like this up.
What shit? What is your CHIEF concern about this 'revelation'?
Additionally, the so-called, "objective reporting" certainly reads with loaded rhetoric which does nothing to convey facts. . . just rhetoric opining meant to mock/insult/injure people MAGA supporters do not like. So much for civil discourse.
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That's one person's opinion. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't change anything for me.
So you support inbreeding and the obvious mental illness? You don't have to answer, you've already made it clear in the past.
Why would I support inbreeding? Why would you THINK I should not answer? As I have made no such thing clear to you or anybody else. Furthermore this:
Source:
1. Rhode Island allows first cousins first removed to marry—legally (see article). So that blows your inbreeding theory or at the least sets its 'teeth' on edge.
2. (From your comment 5 above.) " Rhode Island is one of 32 US states that legally permits first cousins to marry , but the Ocean State is one of a small handful of states that allows avunculate marriage — between uncle and niece or aunt and nephew — under certain religious or cultural circumstances. "
Thus MAGA supporter and stickler for the law that MAGA supporters purport to be, y;all are finding fault with the law which MAGA supporters generally give deference in 'every' situation. Must be due to Rhode Island being classified as a 'blue state' and MAGA supporters FEELINGS OF BEING OFFENDED by what others do with their liberty and freedom .
3. Not that it matters (since well "Rhode Island grants first cousins and first cousins first removed marriage rights and privileges), Ms. 'Thang' legitimized herself by sex reassignment surgery in 2020! And she and her 'ex' because of the 2020 'act' were divorcees by 2021. . . and if they had remained together after sex reassignment possibly the thing that would concern. . . MAGA supporters. . .is a speculation about them 'bumping vaginas' together.
Of course, 'bumping vaginas' between two people in marriage or out has NEVER resulted in a pregnancy (or Inbreeding).
4. MAGA supporters outburst and condemnation is not about facts related to this shooting, it is an attempt to smear (and mock) Ms. Roberta Esposito for her choice to become female from having been male. FEELINGS based judgement.
What is the MAGA supporters moral authority anyway? Nevermind, I discern that MAGA supporters are not allowed to discuss moral authority for which they can not defend their position properly and would be found 'wanting.'
that sentence makes no sense. But it's the NY Post. I never expect coherence or anything resembling reality from this rag
Not my problem to work out for you.
When you can't discuss the information, attack the source.