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Fetterman says 'moral clarity' drives his widening break with the Democratic Party

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  vic-eldred  •  7 months ago  •  16 comments

By:   Story by Max Bacall

Fetterman says 'moral clarity' drives his widening break with the Democratic Party
"That might isolate me politically, but I've had no regrets because I've always felt that's the moral clarity, and I never checked, you know, whatever politics are behind it," he said.

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Sen.  John Fetterman , D-Pa., said that "moral clarity," and not party politics, is his guiding principle, Saturday, as he described a widening break with Democratic colleagues over his support for Israel and opposition to the ongoing government shutdown.

"There's been a fracturing between me and  my party ... primarily it's been Israel," Fetterman said on "Life, Liberty & Levin," noting that he was one of the few Democrats to support Operation Epic Fury, the joint U.S.-Israeli military campaign against Iran.

"That might isolate me politically, but I've had no regrets because I've always felt that's the moral clarity, and I never checked, you know, whatever politics are behind it," he said.
Fetterman criticized Democrats who campaigned with streamer  Hasan Piker , a far-left internet personality who has taken heat for his controversial statements.

In one of Piker's more widely criticized moments, he said during a stream in 2019 that " America deserved 9/11 ," later admitting in an interview that those comments were "inappropriate."

He has also called religious Jews "inbred," defended Hamas as being "a thousand times better" than Israel, mocked discussions of antisemitism on college campuses and said it "doesn't matter" if rapes occurred during Hamas' Oct. 7 massacre in Israel.

"Democrats have to decide, whose side are you in? Are you proud to stand with that kinds of an individual or stand with Israel?" Fetterman asked.

"I may have lost the socialist vote and the pro-Iran vote in my party, but that's part of my party that's growing, unfortunately."

Fetterman also broke from some of his colleagues on the  government shutdown , taking a firm stance against it because of the harm to federal employees.

"That used to be the Democratic Party position, 'We'd never, ever shut our government down. That's the wrong thing. You're going to hurt workers, you're going to hurt America.'"

"What was deeply offensive to me was [Democrats] knew it would have no direct or indirect impact on ICE," he said.

Democrats' demands for ICE reforms and Republicans' refusal to acquiesce have been main drivers of the  ongoing government shutdown  as Congress has failed to approve funding for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

The  Pennsylvania Democrat  argued TSA agents already had a difficult job, and now they've gone without pay for more than 40 days.

"That should be the kind of people we're fighting for," Fetterman said. "And we betrayed them for the wrong reasons."


"We have a responsibility as senators to keep our government open, and we find a way forward without punishing all these innocent workers and making our nation less safe."


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    7 months ago

There is at least 1 voice of reason in the democrat party.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    7 months ago

How sad is it that the ONLY Democrat with any common sense is the one that suffered a stroke.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    7 months ago
How sad is it that the ONLY Democrat with any common sense is the one that suffered a stroke.

Reaching here but maybe having a stroke is the cure for TDS

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1    7 months ago

That's would be a very sad reality.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  Buzz of the Orient    7 months ago

Just as I was clearly with Liz Cheney when it comes to putting integrity and principles over party politics, I'm with Fetterman when it comes to Israel and morality.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4  Dismayed Patriot    7 months ago
Fetterman criticized Democrats who campaigned with streamer   Hasan Piker  , a far-left internet personality who has taken heat for his controversial statements.

In one of Piker's more widely criticized moments, he said during a stream in 2019 that "  America deserved 9/11  ," later admitting in an interview that those comments were "inappropriate."

He has also called religious Jews "inbred," defended Hamas as being "a thousand times better" than Israel, mocked discussions of antisemitism on college campuses and said it "doesn't matter" if rapes occurred during Hamas' Oct. 7 massacre in Israel.

"Democrats have to decide, whose side are you in? Are you proud to stand with that kinds of an individual or stand with Israel?" Fetterman asked.

The vast majority of Democrats do not support far-left internet personalities. I'd never even heard of that dip shit Piker. I like Fetterman but his apparent claim that Democrats are at a crossroads between supporting Isreal and supporting Palestine isn't reality. This is a false choice, for most Democrats it's not a choice between Isreal and Palestine. It's a choice between supporting those desperate to start a holy war using any means, even genocide and indiscriminate bombing of civilians, to wipe out their ideological enemy versus those who want to stop the violence against civilians, women and children regardless of their religion or faith.

Personally, I support the right of any and all persons to live in peace whether Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist or Hindu (and all the other thousands of ideologies). I do not support the sick religious ideologies that teach they and only they are Gods chosen people deserving of peace and ownership of this planet. Fuck those fuckers right in the ear.

The people aren't the problem, the sick religious ideologies that claim superiority and truth are. If we erased the idea of religion from humans minds this ongoing war in the Middle east would evaporate in an instant.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4    7 months ago
I'd never even heard of that dip shit Piker.

Well, that settles it.  If you've never heard of them everybody should just ignore the lefitst bullshit he spews.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4    7 months ago
The vast majority of Democrats do not support far-left internet personalities. I'd never even heard of that dip shit Piker.

According to gemini :

Hasan Piker, known as HasanAbi, is a leading leftist political streamer with a massive following, boasting over 3 million followers on    Twitch   and over 1.75 million on  YouTube  as of late 2025. His audience is largely young (ages 16–25), focusing on news, social commentary, and socialist perspectives on current events.

Alot of people have heard of him and I would suggest the vast majority of his followers are left wing nut jobs.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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5  Nerm_L    7 months ago

Now we know.  John Fetterman is another politician who only exploits his constituency to feed at the Federal trough.  Fetterman, like so many others, are attracted to a far right, hardline Zionist government in Israel who thrives on blood.  If Benjamin Netanyahu wants to fight the entire Middle East, that's not our problem.  At some point the Zionists become so rabid that the United States needs to walk away.

The Zionism of an Israeli state does not require dominating the entire Middle East.  The more these right wingers kill, the more precarious becomes Israel's existence.   “ Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind. "    Genesis 9:6

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6  Buzz of the Orient    7 months ago

Taking into consideration that 9/11 was enough to start a war, and since the population of the USA is 35 times that of Israel, if a terrorist organization that runs a certain country voted in by its population were to invade America and murder 42,000 mostly young innocent Americans and kidnap around 8700 as hostages, I would imagine that the "goodie-goodie" Americans around here would not do WHATEVER it took to rescue the hostages and eradicate the terrorist organization that committed such atrocities.  At least that's what some holier than thou people around here seem to be saying.  Of course let's not take into consideration that the terrorist organization were to hide itself, its weapons and control centres among its people in and under hospitals, schools, mosques and refugee centres, and of course America would have dropped leaflets from above, make phone calls and send emails warning innocent people to leave where they intend to bomb like they did for Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden.  Right????

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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6.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    7 months ago
Taking into consideration that 9/11 was enough to start a war, since the population of the USA is 35 times that of Israel, if a terrorist oranization that runs a certain country were to invade America and murder 42,000 mostly young innocent Americans and kidnap around 8700 as hostages, I would imagine that the "goody-goody" Americans around here would not do WHATEVER it takes to rescue the hostages and eradicate the terrorist organization that committed such atrocities.  At least that's what some holier than thou people around here seem to be saying.

I've had this conversation with other friends.

If the Nortenos or Sinaloas or MS13 came across the border and attacked a football game at the University of Texas at Austin, killed 30+ thousand students, raped several thousand more, and carried thousands off into captivity and then called their relatives in Mexico to rejoice about the achievement...  the US military's primary difficulty would be keeping heavily armed American civilians from launching their own invasion.  

Given the widespread gun ownership in Texas, San Diego is probably a more comparable target, but the response would be the same.  There would be no restraint, nor any interest in it.

I'm both amazed and proud of the Israelis for showing the restraint they did.  It would have been very easy to invade, kill most of the inhabitants, and just "take care of the problem" once and for all.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jack_TX @6.1    7 months ago

Well stated Jack.  Sometimes the hypocrisy posted by some on this site is sickening. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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6.1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.1    7 months ago
Sometimes the hypocrisy posted by some on this site is sickening. 

It helps them sleep at night.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    7 months ago
aking into consideration that 9/11 was enough to start a war, and since the population of the USA is 35 times that of Israel, if a terrorist organization that runs a certain country voted in by its population were to invade America and murder 42,000 mostly young innocent Americans and kidnap around 8700 as hostages, I would imagine that the "goodie-goodie" Americans around here would not do WHATEVER it took to rescue the hostages and eradicate the terrorist organization that committed such atrocities

You cant compare the US population to Israel. Two different things. 

A better comparison by size and population is Israel and the state of Massachusetts. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    7 months ago

I beg to differ.  How Americans would react to an attack is no different to how Israelis would react to an attack, unless you feel that Massachusetts would react alone if it were attacked and the rest of the USA wouldn't give a shit.  I'm comparing the effect based on ratio and proportion..  

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7  MrFrost    7 months ago

He no longer represents American values, the radicalized right can have hm. 

 
 

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