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Markwayne Mullin: 250,000 'Non-Citizens' Registered to Vote

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  vic-eldred  •  4 months ago  •  128 comments

By:   Sean James (Mediaite)

Markwayne Mullin: 250,000 'Non-Citizens' Registered to Vote
DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin accused four Democrat-run states of having 250,000 "non-citizens" registered to vote during a Friday morning press conference.

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DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin accused four Democrat-run states of having 250,000 "non-citizens" registered to vote during a Friday morning press conference.

Mullin said a DHS review found the quarter million bogus registrations were found in California, New Jersey, Nevada, and Pennsylvania — all states with Democratic governors. The DHS boss called for the states to review their records ASAP, and threatened state election officials with being thrown in the clink if they did not help the federal government crackdown on illegal voters.

"If the election officials, once we gave them the information they need to secure their elections, and they chose not to, then those individuals can also be held accountable by fines, by penalties and even, depending on how far it goes, prison time," Mullin said.

He pointed out there are 46 other states where election fraud could be taking place during his news conference, although Mullin did not say whether his department would be expanding its probe.

Mullin then posted on X the letters he was sending to each of the states, putting them "on notice" to review voter records. He said DHS was "ready to support" the states in their investigations and offer additional records for cross-verification purposes.

"I hope that you share in the commitment to ensure that only U.S. citizens participate in our federal elections," Mullin wrote in each letter. "Allowing just one non-citizen to vote cancels the vote of one U.S. citizen."


A preliminary @DHSgov review found over 250,000 non-citizens registered to vote in four states: California, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Nevada.

This shouldn't be a red or blue state issue: ONLY Americans should elect American leaders.

We've put these governors on notice.… pic.twitter.com/9hpsg5xhS0

— Secretary Markwayne Mullin (@SecMullinDHS) July 17, 2026

NBC News reported on Friday:


Mullin demanded states run their voter rolls through a federal database maintained by DHS to determine if noncitizens were on lists and said if they don't, they won't be able to access federal grants.
But the use of the DHS database — which was historically for assessing immigration benefits — has been blocked by a federal judge, who ruled that repurposing it for this effort violated rules on the disclosure of Social Security records. The database has also proved to be error-prone when used to evaluate voter rolls. It often flags newly naturalized citizens as noncitizen voters. Voting rights experts say the use of the database is flawed and could result in registered voters purged from rolls.

Mullin's letter said a preliminary DHS review showed California was the state with the most problems, with up to 190,832 illegally-registered voters.

Fox News reported the DHS looked at "names, dates of birth, addresses and Social Security numbers" to calculate its figures. Mullin's press conference came a day after President Donald Trump's White House released an FBI file claiming China's communist government fabricated "tens of thousands" of drivers licenses to help Joe Biden win the 2020 election.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

Let us to use some logic.

The far left that controls the democrat party has an ideological agenda that most Americans don't like.

They refuse to moderate that agenda.

How can they win elections?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago
accused

If the election officials

depending on

hope

Mullin demanded states run their voter rolls through a federal database (states rights)

up to

and could

blah blah blah..... An article with lots of guess's, accusations and finger pointing, but no facts. Another attack on CA. by people that just have an ax to grind. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.1  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @1.1    4 months ago

how did mullin's net worth increase by $30 million in the short time he's held elected office and then a cabinet position?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  devangelical @1.1.1    4 months ago

how did mullin's net worth increase by $30 million in the short time he's held elected office and then a cabinet position?

Excellent question!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.3  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.2    4 months ago

federal or state LE complicit in violating the constitution, their jobs and freedom should be forfeited by law ... 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago
Let us to use some logic.The far left that controls the democrat party has an ideological agenda that most Americans don't like.

They refuse to moderate that agenda.

How can they win elections?

This is not more of the same.  Todd Blanche and the DOJ are no longer in charge of ferreting out illegal voters.  Markwayne Mullin and the DHS does not have the authority to prosecute anyone.  Election integrity is now a national security issue.  Trump isn't relitigating 2020; he is using 2020 as evidence and justification for involving the intelligence agencies.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2    4 months ago
he is using 2020 as evidence and justification for involving the intelligence agencies.

And where did he learn that?

That wouldn't be the guy who politicized the intelligence agencies, would it?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.2.2  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2    4 months ago

If we can safely bank and invest and do our taxes online then why can we not vote online? Yet...

 
 
 
evilone
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1.2.3  evilone  replied to  JBB @1.2.2    4 months ago
If we can safely bank and invest and do our taxes online then why can we not vote online? Yet...

We can't do those things safely yet. Shit's always getting hacked online. Even the IRS has been hacked.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    4 months ago
And where did he learn that?  That wouldn't be the guy who politicized the intelligence agencies, would it?

It's possible Trump lifted the idea from Obama or Biden or, even, James Comey.  But it's more likely one of the smarter minions in the administration recognized that the structure was still intact and proposed to repurpose it.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1.2.5  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @1.2.2    4 months ago
If we can safely bank and invest and do our taxes online then why can we not vote online? Yet...

We could just run elections like a Powerball lotto, too.  Or online poker.  Or maybe prediction gambling.

I'm sure North Korea would love to get their hands on an online voting system.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago
Let us to use some logic.

The far left that controls the democrat party has an ideological agenda that most Americans don't like.
They refuse to moderate that agenda.

A pair of partisan assumptions, unsupported by evidence, is in no way “logic.”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tacos! @1.3    4 months ago

They hid the evidence in New Jersey and that are still hiding it elsewhere.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.3.2  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.1    4 months ago

Hid it how?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tacos! @1.3.2    4 months ago

“Last week I learned that a serious software error in New Jersey’s Motor Vehicle System led to the registration of roughly 6,600 people who indicated that they were not U.S. citizens between June 2023 and June 2024, almost three years prior to my taking office.  “This happened under the previous administration and, upon learning this information, I immediately ordered my chief counsel to launch an investigation to get to the bottom of what occurred."

Statement by Governor Mikie Sherrill

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.3.4  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.3    4 months ago

If they just told everyone about it, how is that hiding it? 

Bullshit and prove it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @1.3.4    4 months ago
prove it.

Mikie Sherrill just did. 

It happened from June 2023 - June 2024 and nobody knew about it until recently.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.3.6  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.5    4 months ago

No. Wrong. Do it again.

Prove the DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin's statement that 35,152 potential noncitizens registered to vote... 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
1.3.7  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.5    4 months ago

Do you not see the logical disconnect in your own statements?

You:

They hid the evidence in New Jersey

Also you:

nobody knew about it until recently

So if they just recently found out about it, then had a quick investigation to verify the details, and announced it to the public right away, how the fuck are they hiding it?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.3.8  1stwarrior  replied to  Thomas @1.3.6    4 months ago

And backatche - prove that they weren't.

 
 
 
JBB
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1.3.9  JBB  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.8    4 months ago

Middle school kids know It is impossible to prove a negative...

 
 
 
goose is back
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1.3.10  goose is back  replied to  Tacos! @1.3.7    4 months ago
So if they just recently found out about it,

No, they didn't.  They knew about it all along, there was no software glitch, it was New Jersey's job to vet they information.  I can only speculate that they realized they were going to be caught, so they claimed to have just found out about it.  

Software Vendor Disputes New Jersey Governor's ‘Glitch’ Claim, Says State Approves Foreigners on Voter Roll - Tennessee Star

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.4  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago

OMG.  If they have names, dates of birth, addresses, and social security numbers on illegally registered voters why don't they just arrest them?  Too busy chasing gardeners and housekeepers?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  SteevieGee @1.4    4 months ago
If they have names, dates of birth, addresses, and social security numbers on illegally registered voters

They could match them up IF they had access to the voter rolls. About 16 states have gone to court to prevent it.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.4.2  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.1    4 months ago

 That is a state issue and should have been referred to the state AG at the time.

Voter files   are digital databases of information about registered voters that each state is legally required to maintain. States can sell voter file information to individuals or groups, and each state has developed its own guidelines regarding these sales.
As of July 2026:
  • Twenty-one states and D.C. have   open   availability, meaning there are effectively no restrictions on purchasers or requesters and the only limitation on voter file usage is no usage for commercial purposes.
  • Two states have   requester restricted   availability, meaning only certain types of individuals or groups can purchase or request the voter file.
  • Fifteen states have   usage restricted   availability, meaning the use of the voter file is limited to certain purposes beyond usual commercial use restrictions.
  • Twelve states have both   usage restricted   and   requester restricted   availability.

Availability of state voter files - Ballotpedia

There are many red states in the restricted category or ridiculously expensive to discourage this.

 
 
 
goose is back
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1.4.3  goose is back  replied to  SteevieGee @1.4    4 months ago
OMG.  If they have names, dates of birth, addresses, and social security numbers on illegally registered voters why don't they just arrest them?  Too busy chasing gardeners and housekeepers?

You do realize that both of those can't be true. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.4.4  Split Personality  replied to  goose is back @1.4.3    4 months ago
You do realize that both of those can't be true. 

Resident legal aliens and green card holders can, in fact have Social Security numbers.  They cannot vote.  If they register, then it is illegal.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.5  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago

Some counties and cities in California allow non-citizens to vote in local elections like school board and city council elections.  Of course, they have to register first.

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.5.1  GregTx  replied to  SteevieGee @1.5    4 months ago

What do you mean by non-citizen? Are they allowed to register if they're not here legally?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.5.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  SteevieGee @1.5    4 months ago

California is also ground zero for ballot harvesting, paying homeless people to vote and a lot of other shit that has the entire country holding its nose.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.5.3  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.2    4 months ago

800

This voter fraud nonsense is outrageously dishonest.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.5.4  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.2    4 months ago
a lot of other shit that has the entire country holding its nose

maga!

this article represents another typical non-issue misdirection, away from the real issues that average americans are now facing, because of the continued incompetence of trump ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.5.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.3    4 months ago

Not until we get some answers:

 
 
 
evilone
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1.5.6  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.2    4 months ago
California is also ground zero for ballot harvesting, paying homeless people to vote and a lot of other shit that has the entire country holding its nose.

Ah.... this belief with no actual knowledge of any wrong doing must be so frustrating for you.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.5.7  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.5    4 months ago
Not until we get some answers:

Populists make up for the lack of logic with an excess of entitlement.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
1.5.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.3    4 months ago
This voter fraud nonsense is outrageously dishonest.

That's because most religious conservatives are outrageously dishonest. They are liars for their lord. They believe in fantasy horse shit that they are determined to force on the rest of the planet and in their deluded backwards poorly educated minds the ends justify the means.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.5.9  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.5    4 months ago

A meaningless demand.

You are parroting Trump's absurd claims of voter fraud yet there is no evidence that such a problem exists.   In fact, the statistics show that voter fraud is almost nonexistent.

Promoting this obvious, low-grade charade is dishonest and absurd.   Trump is a pathological liar, con-man, and buffoon; carrying his water is demeaning.

800

 
 
 
evilone
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1.5.10  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.9    4 months ago
...carrying his water is demeaning.

Anything to own the libs.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.5.11  TᵢG  replied to  evilone @1.5.10    4 months ago

I agree but with one qualifier:  anything to try to own the libs.

Patently absurd claims do not strengthen an argument; they merely undermine the credibility of the person making them.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.5.12  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.11    4 months ago
Patently absurd claims do not strengthen an argument; they merely undermine the credibility of the person making them.

Yeah... we've been telling them that for a decade now. I don't think they are listening.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.5.13  devangelical  replied to  evilone @1.5.12    4 months ago

where's the maga outrage over their texas senate candidate illegally voting from an address he hasn't lived at in 2 years, or their candidate for governor of minnesota being registered to vote in texas?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.5.14  TᵢG  replied to  evilone @1.5.12    4 months ago

And that would be okay except when people vote based on misguided beliefs.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.5.15  evilone  replied to  devangelical @1.5.13    4 months ago
where's the maga outrage...

They're too busy looking for transexual, illegal, communists under their beds.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.5.16  devangelical  replied to  evilone @1.5.15    4 months ago

... if their past performance is any indication -

the transexuals are in their beds or available on their phone apps ...

the illegals are cleaning their homes and doing their yardwork ...

the commies are in the white house, where they put them ...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.5.17  TᵢG  replied to  evilone @1.5.15    4 months ago

It continues to amaze me how some choose to look foolish in support of their partisan beliefs.    This does not accomplish their goals (to fight the 'other side') and backfires.   Never is it persuasive to illustrate utter foolishness.

800

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.5.18  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.17    4 months ago

 
 
 
evilone
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1.5.19  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.17    4 months ago
It continues to amaze me how some choose to look foolish in support of their partisan beliefs.

It amazes me they cling to those beliefs so tightly. I know they don't see themselves as foolish. They believe they are standard bearers for their truth. They believe it when they are told they are patriots and the Moral Majority. They believe it even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. That's how we get terms like 'fake news' and 'alternative facts' and how centers of information and learning can be denied and labeled as enemies and unAmerican. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.5.20  TᵢG  replied to  evilone @1.5.19    4 months ago

I do not see how anyone can actually believe the lies from this administration.   Or how anyone can view Trump as anything other than incompetent and irresponsible when analyzing his use of tariffs and the Iran war.   And I am not going to list all the other dimensions of blatant failure and corruption of Trump and his administration.

How, seriously, does a rational mind process what Trump is saying and doing and conclude that this abysmal human being is fit to be PotUS?

Just sickening.

800

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
1.5.21  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.2    3 months ago
paying homeless people to vote and a lot of other shit that has the entire country holding its nose.

Homeless people shouldn't be able to vote?  Why not?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
1.5.22  SteevieGee  replied to  GregTx @1.5.1    3 months ago
What do you mean by non-citizen? Are they allowed to register if they're not here legally?

I don't know.  Does it matter?  If you have children in school shouldn't you have a say in who's running the schools?

 
 
 
evilone
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1.5.23  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.20    3 months ago
How, seriously, does a rational mind process what Trump is saying and doing and conclude that this abysmal human being is fit to be PotUS?

They aren't rational... They have been fed a line their entire lives and now the prophesy must be fulfilled. You know, like the Rapture will happen next week, or some shit. Trump is the Chosen One.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.5.24  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  SteevieGee @1.5.21    3 months ago

You believe in paying people to vote for democrats?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.5.25  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.24    3 months ago

you believe in criminals paying the POS/POTUS for pardons?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.5.26  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.24    3 months ago

You register concern for this, yet ignore the unabashed corruption of the Trump administration!

What the hell, Vic, how can you possibly ignore the blatant, large-scale corruption of Trump and his administration?

One of many examples:

WASHINGTON (AP) — If one theme has emerged in President Donald Trump’s second term, it’s this: He’s  leveraged the power of his office  for personal gain unlike anyone before in history.

From crypto coins to bibles, overseas development deals to an upcoming line of cellphones, Trump family businesses have raked in hundreds of millions of dollars since his election, an unprecedented flood of often shadowy money from  billionaires, foreign governments and cryptocurrency tycoons  with interests  before the federal government.

800

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.5.27  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.26    3 months ago

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.5.28  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.24    3 months ago

You don't' think that recipients of the $1000.00, Trump Account for kids

aren't being swayed to vote for Trump or his endorsed candidates?

It seems blatantly obvious to many people that this is just a bribe.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
1.5.29  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.24    3 months ago
You believe in paying people to vote for democrats?

No one should be paying anyone for votes, and that is not something the Democratic party condones. But I do find it extremely funny that the apparent voter fraud bar just went from "stop illegals from voting!" to "stop Democrats from paying eligible Americans to vote for them!". It just shows the monumental dishonesty from rightwing conservatives who KNOW the laws they're pushing are pointless when it comes to stopping some fantasy 'illegal immigrant voting' which they have yet to prove is even happening in anything more than a handful of cases. So just admit it already, rightwing conservatives are desperately trying to stop ELIGIBLE voters they know are likely to vote Democrat from voting because they don't actually want a constitutional Republic, they want to get their way on everything which means they're really just a bunch of whiny Christo-fascists in American sheep clothing.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.5.30  evilone  replied to  evilone @1.5.23    3 months ago

Here's some voter fraud facts using the numbers collected from the Heritage Foundation after the 2024 election. My state of WI shows over 20 years, 28 elections and 45.3 million votes cast there were only 69 cases of reported voter fraud.

original

We can all do the math... It's a statistical zero (0.0001522180989746346%)

From the -

Voter fraud is serious, which is why there are many protections built into the system to protect against fraud. In an effort to “pre-bunk” the inevitable accusations of fraud, election officials around the country are working hard to   inform   the voters on how voting actually works. And—in one of the least well-known aspects of the vote count—Democrats and Republicans have teams of lawyers, armed with depositions, that are allowed into the rooms where counting is going on. To assume massive amounts of voter fraud, you also have to assume that the Democrats or the Republicans have lawyers who are really dumb or just lazy, and neither is the case.
 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
1.5.31  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5.24    3 months ago
You believe in paying people to vote for democrats?

I don't know of anybody paying people to vote for Democrats.  I have seen where Trump wants to pay Jan 6 rioters.  Who do you think they vote for?  Very few homeless people vote at all in CA because our ballots are mailed to our home address.  No address, no ballot.  Some homeless advocate organizations have PO Boxes for homeless people giving them an address to get mail and vote.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.5.32  Sean Treacy  replied to  SteevieGee @1.5.31    3 months ago

I don't know of anybody paying people to vote for Democrats.  I have seen where Trump wants to pay Jan 6 rioters

Those might be the two most incompatible sentence ever written. Are you that unfamiliar with the Democratic Party’s decades long history of using legal slush funds to reward loyal groups? From cities to democratic presidents, they’ve made that an art form..

and that’s not even taking into account the cesspool of ngos and usaid..

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
1.5.33  SteevieGee  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.5.32    3 months ago
Are you that unfamiliar with the Democratic Party’s decades long history of using legal slush funds to reward loyal groups? From cities to democratic presidents, they’ve made that an art form..

I guess I am that unfamiliar with it.  Could you give me a specific example?  Are you referring to Doris Matsui getting funding for the new spillway on Folsom Dam to prevent flooding in her district?  I voted for her because of that.  Nobody has ever offered me a cash payout.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.5.34  Sean Treacy  replied to  SteevieGee @1.5.33    3 months ago
I guess I am that unfamiliar with it.

It is pretty amazing how unfamiliar many democrats are with their own party. The day to day corruption at every level  to ensure they get 99% of the votes in the worst areas of large  cities is astounding.  For example, i f you live in big city controlled by Democrats, look into bullshit settlements of frivolous lawsuits with large payouts going to Democratic activists/lawyers, who in turn fund the local Democratic Party.  

On the federal level, here's a little primer : 

There are two distinct but related Democratic abuses of settlements that Republicans have opposed since around the middle of the Obama administration. The first is judgment fund abuse. The marquee examples of that are the  Pigford ,  Keepseagle ,   Love , and  Garcia  settlements. That’s where the DOJ enters into a collusive settlement with favored litigants to pay them out from the mandatory-spending judgment fund outside the appropriations process. The second is third-party settlement abuse. That’s when settlements involving federal regulators involve payouts to preferred third-party NGOs by the settling targets, essentially a  cy pres problem. The Wells Fargo settlement is the prime example of that, but they also happened with some frequency with environmental regulators. It, too, is an effort to skirt appropriations but at the hands of private parties who are forced to fund left-wing activists.

A re you referring to Doris Matsui getting funding for the new spillway on Folsom Dam to prevent flooding in her district?  I voted for her because of that.  Nobody has ever offered me a cash payout.

No, that's not at all the type of thing I'm talking about.  

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
1.5.35  SteevieGee  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.5.34    3 months ago

So...  It's like Trump giving children $1000 in a "Trump account"  in his own name making sure everybody knows that it's him giving it to them...  Except that it's not his money it's taxpayers' money.  Could that be called buying votes?  I call it that.  By the way, I'd bet when these kids actually try to cash it out there's nothing there in the end.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
1.5.36  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.5.34    3 months ago
It is pretty amazing how unfamiliar many democrats are with their own party

It's pretty amazing how unfamiliar conservatives are with the democratic party. Clearly some folk prefer going down their little rightwing conspiracy theory toilets but they can do whatever they want I guess. Still doesn't get them any closer to actually knowing anything about the Democratic party but no doubt it's great rightwing conservative incel circle jerk fantasy spank bank material.

look into

Oh right, we're supposed to do our own local research and try to find schemes to buy votes all to back up your claims. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

The second is third-party settlement abuse. That’s when settlements involving federal regulators involve payouts to preferred third-party NGOs by the settling targets, essentially a    cy pres   problem. The Wells Fargo settlement is the prime example of that

Just more fucking fruit loops nonsense with disparate facts being taken out of context and used to craft some fanciful conspiracy theory chimera. And no wonder considering it's from the laughably moronic dipshit partisan 'National Review'. You don't actually expect anyone to accept that as a fact-based argument, do you? I mean the stretch and mental contortion necessary to get from that to Democrats buying votes or paying homeless people to vote is just stunning.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.5.37  Sean Treacy  replied to  SteevieGee @1.5.35    3 months ago
It's like Trump giving children $1000 in a "Trump account"  in his own name making sure everybody knows that it's him giving it to them.

Not at all.  The accounts were specifically created and passed by Congress. They aren't from a legal slush fund. And most importantly, they aren't only going to Republicans. They are available to all kids.

 ould that be called buying votes?  I call it that.

You can call it whatever you want, but it has nothing to do what we are talking about.  For starters, you know one year olds can't vote, right? (except for possibly in some democratic jurisdictions).  It would be unlikely Trump is even alive when these recipients get to vote. 

 I'd bet when these kids actually try to cash it out there's nothing there in the end.

I suppose that's possible if the DSA  has their way. Assuming we retain a functioning economy and the stock market exists, that would be pretty much impossible. If  those funds are "gone" so is the USA as we know it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.5.38  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.5.36    3 months ago

There are currently three Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) members serving in the U.S. House of Representatives.

As of 2026, the three DSA-affiliated members in Congress are   Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (NY‑14), Rashida Tlaib (MI‑12), and Greg Casar (TX‑35) , all serving in the House of Representatives. This count reflects the most recent consolidated listings of DSA public officeholders and cross-checked membership tables, confirming that these three are the only current federal legislators formally associated with the organization   th?id=ODF.-9RIklfyR8MZtu9mLC0J8g factually.co +2 .

3 out of 535 is 0.00560747664.   That is a little more than half of 1%.  But the sky is falling. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.5.39  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.5.36    3 months ago
rightwing conservative incel circle jerk fantasy spank bank material.

seems to be a bit of an obsession with you, no? 

I mean the stretch and mental contortion necessary to get from that to Democrats buying votes or paying homeless people to vote is just stunning.

you can't fathom how giving billons to Democratic special interest groups results in votes and funding for the democratic party? That's what you want to publicly admit to? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.5.40  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1.5.38    3 months ago

how many members of congress have made comments associated with white nationalism

  • Steve King — Repeated remarks about “Western civilization,” “culture,” and demographic purity; widely condemned by both parties; lost committee assignments.

  • Paul Gosar — Promoted white‑nationalist figures, shared content from them, and echoed “replacement” rhetoric.

  • Marjorie Taylor Greene — Used rhetoric overlapping with “great replacement” themes; praised individuals tied to white nationalism; later walked back some remarks.

  • Louie Gohmert — Made comments about demographic change and immigration that civil‑rights groups flagged as echoing white‑nationalist narratives.

  • Matt Gaetz — Defended individuals with white‑nationalist ties; used framing similar to “replacement” arguments.

  • Barry Moore — Used language about culture and identity that watchdog groups linked to white‑nationalist themes.

  • Lauren Boebert — Made comments about immigration and demographic change that analysts described as echoing white‑nationalist messaging.

  • Andy Biggs — Repeated “invasion” and demographic framing that civil‑rights groups classify as white‑nationalist‑coded.

These cases are not equivalent —some involve explicit praise of white‑nationalist figures, others involve rhetoric that watchdog groups say overlaps with white‑nationalist narratives. But they are the core set consistently cited across major outlets.

  • The list is not exhaustive. It reflects cases with broad, multi‑source documentation , not isolated accusations.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.5.41  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1.5.40    3 months ago
how many members of congress have made comments associated with christian nationalism Based on credible reporting and analysis from civil‑rights organizations, academic researchers, and major news outlets, roughly 10–15 members of Congress in the past decade have made comments that observers describe as aligned with or supportive of Christian nationalist themes . Microsoft Copilot: Your AI companion
 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
1.5.42  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.5.39    3 months ago
you can't fathom how giving billons to Democratic special interest groups results in votes and funding for the democratic party? That's what you want to publicly admit to? 

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And no money goes to republican special interest groups? They all fucking do that shit, it's not "buying votes" as you claim.

seems to be a bit of an obsession

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Rightwing conservatives are indeed obsessed with anything that will divert attention away from the monumental failure they elected President. Claiming Democrats are buying votes is just another such demented obsession along with trying to prove fantasy widespread illegal immigrant voting and that the 2020 election was stolen. And they just keep repeating themselves like fucking mental patients. People who believe all that rightwing conspiracy theory bullshit are seriously fucked in the head and need to seek help from a mental health professional and shouldn't be on social media trying to dump their bullshit dementia on others.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.5.43  1stwarrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.5.36    3 months ago

Absolutely amazing how many people aren't just clambering to learn about the political party that

512

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
1.5.44  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  1stwarrior @1.5.43    3 months ago
Absolutely amazing

What's 'absolutely amazing' is that anyone believes that horse shit. The list on the right is just total bullshit, but then that is a constant state for things on the right. But conservatives can go ahead and believe what they want, I'm not trying to convince any minds that are too fucking stupid to see reality even when it's shoved in their fucking fat faces.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
1.5.45  charger 383  replied to  SteevieGee @1.5.22    3 months ago

why should a foreigner have a say in American schools?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.5.47  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @1.5.43    3 months ago

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
1.5.48  SteevieGee  replied to  charger 383 @1.5.45    3 months ago
why should a foreigner have a say in American schools?

Anybody who has children in American schools should have a say.  Don't you believe in parental rights?  Many of these children are Americans.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
1.5.49  charger 383  replied to  SteevieGee @1.5.48    3 months ago

 Foreigners should not have a say in anything American 

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
1.5.50  SteevieGee  replied to  charger 383 @1.5.49    3 months ago

So...  Parental rights are a big no go then?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.5.51  devangelical  replied to  SteevieGee @1.5.50    3 months ago

not for white conservative xtians ...

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
1.5.52  charger 383  replied to  SteevieGee @1.5.50    3 months ago

Parental rights of citizens should not be affected by foreigners.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

In just 4 states…

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
3  Jeremy Retired in NC    4 months ago

So, how is the left going to spin this one?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    4 months ago
So, how is the left going to spin this one?

1 accusation.

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0 facts or evidence presented.

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No spin necessary.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
3.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    4 months ago
No spin necessary.

As you prove otherwise. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.1    4 months ago

The left's reaction to illegals voting.

1. Illegals do not vote

2. OK maybe a few but not enough to turn an election......

3. So what's a few thousand?

4. They are already here. We may as well let them stay and vote

Most liberals have graduated to number 2 publicly, but privately, they are on number 4. Post 3.1 is stuck on 1.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @3.1.2    4 months ago
1. Illegals do not vote

No, it is obvious that some do.  100% is never a realistic expectation for anything dealing with many moving parts (like a voting system).

2. OK maybe a few but not enough to turn an election......

Correct.   That is what the evidence shows.   Not even remotely close to making a difference.   If you disagree show evidence.   You and fellow Trump supporters never seem to have any evidence showing that we have a significant problem with voter fraud.

3. So what's a few thousand?

The evidence suggests that voter fraud is a fraction of a tenth of a percent.

4. They are already here. We may as well let them stay and vote

Who is saying that?   Show me.


Many Trump supporters, in general, cannot defend Trump so instead they have resorted to exaggeration and in some cases just making shit up.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.4  bugsy  impassed  TᵢG @3.1.3    4 months ago

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Tacos!
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3.2  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    4 months ago

Spin what? A wild claim with zero evidence? How does this work for you? Mullin says it’s true, therefore it is?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
3.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @3.2    4 months ago

Thank your for playing.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4  MrFrost    4 months ago

Fake news. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MrFrost @4    4 months ago
Fake news. 

Its rhetorical nonsense wrapped up neatly and fed to poorly educated gullible bigots who are pathetically desperate for their xenophobic hate and anger and blaming everyone but themselves for their problems to be justified.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1    4 months ago
Its rhetorical nonsense

Bingo

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

The arguments we see depending on the seed:

Democracy is in jeopardy if states share voter rolls with the feds to check for citizenship!

Who cares if China steals voter information from states !

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
5.1  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    4 months ago
Who cares if China steals voter information from states !

Are you referring to publicly available information?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6  evilone    4 months ago
Mullin said a DHS review found the quarter million bogus registrations were found...

First, he offers no evidence. Second, registrations are not votes. Third, I though MAGA wasn't about state nullification by a stronger fed?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @6    4 months ago
Second, registrations are not votes.

Registrations are what enables people to vote. A registered voter, no matter who it is, becomes legal at the ballot box!

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    4 months ago

Registrations are what enables people to vote. A registered voter, no matter who it is, becomes legal at the ballot box!

So where is the evidence? We all know you hate CA., have you considered moving? And what happened to states rights Vic?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.1    4 months ago
So where is the evidence?

In the DHS Review.


We all know you hate CA., have you considered moving? 

I don't live in California. I have nothing against the state, especially as it was before one-party rule.


And what happened to states rights Vic?

States only have rights that the Federal government hasn't specifically superseded via the Supremacy clause. We only hear about states rights when democrats are out of power.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    4 months ago
I have nothing against the state,

You post articles about it daily. 

The constitution says that elections are run by the states, they are not obligated to turn over their rolls to anyone, sorry. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.1.4  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    4 months ago
Registrations are what enables people to vote.

Yes... Two separate acts. Provide the evidence voter fraud is this huge problem the current Admin claims it is. They haven't offered any...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
6.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    4 months ago
We only hear about states rights when democrats are out of power.

And it's usually an idiotic and unfunded summary of "rights we will lose" if Democrats aren't in power.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @6.1.4    4 months ago
Provide the evidence voter fraud is this huge problem the current Admin claims it is.

Tell us how we get the state of California to turn over its voter rolls.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.1.5    4 months ago

They once thought they had the right to secede

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
6.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.7    4 months ago

That right still exists.  But what goes with it is the right to feel the consequences of such a stupid decision.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.1.9  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.6    4 months ago
Tell us how we get the state of California to turn over its voter rolls.

Produce the evidence it's legally necessary and get a court order.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
6.1.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  evilone @6.1.9    4 months ago
Produce the evidence it's legally necessary and get a court order.

If California cared about election integrity  they would be happy to supply it.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
6.1.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.10    4 months ago
If California cared about election integrity  they would be happy to supply it.

I'm assuming you would have recommended any red State to hand over their voter rolls to a Democratic administration that had no evidence of any wrongdoing, they just wanted to make doubly sure Republicans weren't cheating, right? You'd be telling Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi and the rest "Turn over those voter rolls! We're happy to supply it to the Democrats who are currently in power! We trust them implicitly because they won the last election and would never do anything improper with our red States voter data!", right?

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Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
6.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.11    4 months ago
I'm assuming

Not a good idea

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
6.1.13  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.12    4 months ago
Not a good idea

You're right. It's never a good idea to assume rightwing conservatives would choose not to be hypocritical and actually demand the same accountability of their own political party as they do of their opponents. No 'good for the goose, good for the gander' there, rightwing conservative Christians have always wanted special privileges that they deny others, but that's what you get from pompous piece of shit white supremacists and religious bigots.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
6.1.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.13    4 months ago
You're right

I know

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
6.1.15  1stwarrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.11    4 months ago

And the inclusion of the SE states was for ????

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  JohnRussell    4 months ago

This administration is filled with pathological liars. Nothing they say can be taken as fact unless verified by reliable outside sources. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
7.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @7    4 months ago
Nothing they say can be taken as fact unless verified by reliable outside sources.

Then, instead of crying about it every day, verify it by reliable outside sources.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8  TᵢG    4 months ago

Mullin makes a claim with no evidence, and you believe it.   

When will Trump supporters learn that this is a corrupt administration that lies daily?   The gullibility is appalling.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @8    4 months ago

Why are democrats always hiding evidence when it comes to voting?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1    4 months ago

Why do you exaggerate/invent D wrongs while ignoring the daily word and deed wrongs of Trump and his administration?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.1.2  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1    4 months ago
Why are democrats always hiding evidence when it comes to voting?

Why are MAGA populists always accusing others of crimes, yet ignore the evidence of their own crimes?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
8.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  evilone @8.1.2    4 months ago
Why are MAGA populists always claiming others of crimes, yet ignore the evidence of their own crimes?

They believe the ends justify the means, and the end they're looking for is America to turn int some sort of basic, stupid, poorly educated white Christian conservative amusement park where they can pretend they're the best people in the universe and that the God of the universe loves them and thinks they're special and chose them to lord it over all his creation. MAGAites are neither smart nor moral people, so they don't really give a fuck about breaking the law as long as they get their way.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

Does anyone even know that 23 states are cooperating with Mullen to find illegals registered to vote?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
9.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    4 months ago

Yep, good to see some states take election integrity seriously

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
9.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    4 months ago
Does anyone even know that 23 states are cooperating with Mullen to find illegals registered to vote?

I read the article above and I'm just curious where you read that "illegals" were registering to vote? I can't find the word "illegal" in the seed, perhaps you can point it out for me.

Or perhaps some poorly educated halfwit rightwing conservatives think "non-citizen" is the same as "illegal" and don't know that there are 12 million legal "non-citizens" living and working in the United States. Being a non-citizen doesn't mean they're here illegally, but of course some tired old racist douche bag dumb fucks might not know that and start raging in impotent fury over nothing as they often do.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
9.2.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2    4 months ago

Explain who a "non-citizen" is.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
9.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @9.2.1    4 months ago

A green card holder who has a drivers license to get to and from work legally. A permanent legal alien. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
10  Right Down the Center    4 months ago
DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin accused four Democrat-run states of having 250,000 "non-citizens" registered to vote during a Friday morning press conference.

I hope they supply the proof of this or the usual excuses for not improving voting integrity will continue.

Although they may very well continue even after the proof or they will just move the goal posts.

 
 
 
Thomas
Professor Guide
11  Thomas    4 months ago

If Markwayne Mullin says there are 250,000 non-citizens then the burden of proof is on him to also provide the actual evidence proving the claim and the database constructed to make that determination.

Until such a time as this verification by non-partisan actors occurs, I call bullshit on the whole claim. 

IMO, it is part and parcel of the administrations bid to stay in power through any fabricated means necessary.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
11.1  bugsy  replied to  Thomas @11    4 months ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @11.1    4 months ago

As I see it, a Trump supporter claiming someone else is believing bullshit is the epitome of irony.

Don’t make allegations with any claim to credibility until you are willing to face the reality of Trump.

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
12  TᵢG    4 months ago

Trump's bullshit seems to have no limits, and neither does the willingness of his supporters to repeat it.   Seems to me this is some kind of groupthink untethered from reality.

After all, even the Heritage Foundation shows how absurd this is:

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One could increase the fraud 1000 times over, and it still would not even register (would be 0.06%).

 
 

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