The key primary for democrats
The democrat party is favored to win back the House in the coming midterms. The Senate contest is rated as a tossup with only about 4 seats being crucial for democrats as long as they can hold onto the seats they already control. We recently witnessed the undemocratic farce the democrats went through in Maine in order to produce a candidate that appeared to be working class. There is one must win for democrats if they ever hope to win the Senate and that is the primary race being decided tomorrow night in the swing state of Michigan.
The choice for democrats:
Representative Haley Stevens
For whatever is left of the party's moderate wing is Representative Haley Stevens , a moderate in a district north of Detroit. She is trying to hold to the party line about "affordability" (remember that) and she has the backing of many establishment democrats.
And then there is
Abdul El-Sayed
You might be saying who the hell is Abdul El-Sayed? He is the darling of the far left. They may demand that you call him Doctor. El-Sayed is campaigning on an extremely anti-Israel platform that also calls for abolishing ICE, raising taxes on the rich and making Medicare available to all Americans. A Michigan-born son of Egyptian immigrants, El-Sayed, 41, would be the country’s first Muslim senator and we all know how being the first of anything that is non-white, non-male or non-Christian is important to democrats. He's the one getting most of the interest from that wonderful far left base of the democrat party. El-Sayed rallies with progressive luminaries like Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Senator Bernie Sanders and the leftist streamer Hasan Piker.
According to Copilot El-Sayed has made a few memorable statements:
1. “Ogre on a pike” comment
In a leaked Zoom donor meeting, El-Sayed said, “If I win … well y’all came at me so now I get to come at you, and you know, primarying people like John Fetterman, I have no problem to do that. Ideally you put one ogre on a pike, and then everyone else gets the message, and all of a sudden starts to sound a lot different.” The metaphor, referencing Fetterman, was condemned by fellow Democrats as “violent, vulgar threats” and a dangerous escalation in a democratic contest POLITICO .
2. Synagogue attack statement linking to Israel’s war in Lebanon
After the March 12, 2026 Temple Israel attack, El-Sayed released a four-minute video condemning the violence while tying the attacker’s actions to Israel’s military campaign in Lebanon. He said, “Imagine if that had never happened. Imagine there was no war in Iran. Imagine if there were no airstrikes in Lebanon. Imagine if his family had never died.” The statement was seen by some as anti-American and inflammatory, especially given Michigan’s large Muslim and Arab-American communities Punchbowl News +1 .
3. “Hurt people hurt people” remark
Following the synagogue attack, El-Sayed also said “hurt people hurt people,” a phrase critics interpreted as downplaying the victims’ suffering and aligning with far-left rhetoric that has drawn scrutiny in recent years Fox News +1 .
4. Anti-American tone on Iran’s Supreme Leader
In leaked audio, El-Sayed said he wouldn’t comment on the death of Iran’s Supreme Leader Khamenei because “there are a lot of people in Dearborn who are sad today” and that he would instead pivot to criticizing Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. He called the war in Iran “illegal and unjustifiable” but was accused of anti-American sentiment Michigan News Source .
5. Defiant rhetoric toward Republicans
El-Sayed has repeatedly used combative language, including “When they go low, we don’t go high. We take them to the mud and choke them out” , which he defended as a call to stand up to bullying opposition Fox News +1 .
And of course, we have been told repeatedly that there aren't many anti-Semites, Socialists or Communists in the democrat party. Some say those are good things if done right. It can all be a bit hard to believe, but El-Sayed is likely to get the majority of the democrat vote tomorrow night.
The good part of all this is that El-Sayed once ran for Governor of Michigan and lost by 20 points. Thus, we may all look forward to the general election
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Ok democrats, let's do your thing tomorrow night!
I hope they do but have no faith that they will.
The DSA is taking over the dem party
That's a good thing.
Now, now, that's only a conspiracy theory/ s
That the DSA started
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LOL!!! Projecting? My picture is real, yours is imagined....
And yet we are still here. I am confident the DSA is crying about it.
Please explain why you think socialists and communists (yes, they are the same in this context) would be good for the democratic party....and do it without a meme
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I disagree. The DSA's good positions (e.g. national healthcare) are poisoned by its bad.
Using ChatGPT to chronicle this:
Further, its constructive notions are idealized. For them to be valuable, there must be a plan to realize these ideals (or something on the track). Anyone can make claims of an idealized situation. The hard part is making it happen. Trump's concept of a plan nonsense, for example, is a demonstrable joke.
Bottom line, DSA is insane to suggest changing our Constitution to vest all power in a unicameral Congress and to nationalize the largest corporations. Those two alone put them on the extreme left. Not only is that political suicide, but these are terrible ideas. Here is an illustration of the bad ideas that would poison the Ds:
I want the Ds to get their act together and provide a platform that appeals to the current electorate. The best thing the Ds can do for our nation right now is to get control of Congress to hobble Trump . The Rs have become feckless, spineless wimps who are letting Trump do whatever he wants. Not only is that sickening, it is damaging our nation on a continual basis.
Name the democrats that support the most "extreme" positions and provide links that show them supporting them.
Why should I do that?
First, I am not aware of any prominent Ds supporting the most extreme positions.
Second, I made no claim that any D supports the extreme positions.
What I did was disagree with your statement @1.1.1 that it would be good for the DSA to take over the D party.
My response, in short, is that it would NOT be good because the extreme positions of the DSA (the organization) are a poison pill.
That's the whole point. Every ideology has its extremists, those that support that ideology may not support the most extreme examples however. For example, most of Americans are christians that believe in the bible. However most Americans do not support slavery, stoning your children for back talking you, or forcing a rape victim to marry her rapist.
Look Ozzwald, you said that you think it would be good that the DSA is taking over the D party.
That is the point you made, and it is that point AND ONLY THAT POINT that I countered.
The DSA itself, not just extreme members, has made the statements I outlined. Those positions are poison for the D party.
If you disagree with the actual argument I made, then provide a rebuttal.
POINT (Ozzwald): It is good that the DSA is taking over the D party. { no argument provided to back this up }
COUNTERPOINT (TiG): The published platform of the DSA organization includes extreme objectives such as changing our system of government into a unicameral Congress that elects the PotUS, controls the SCotUS, takes control over the largest corporations, etc. Those items are poison for the D party. Thus I refute your position that the DSA is good for the Ds.
True.
The point you made was about some of the extreme beliefs of DSA and not the DSA leaning beliefs of those in the democratic party.
And that's what I asked for citations about. If current or future members of the democratic party are espousing some of those extreme beliefs, I want to know who since I would not support them. But you can't put an "extreme" label on all of them.
You made the statement, "I made no claim that any D supports the extreme positions", but if that were true, why bring it up at all?
This country needs change and in many ways needs to be brought up into the 21st century to keep up with the other counties that are passing us in a myriad of different ways, and currently the DSA is heading in that direction. However I try to be an informed voter and actually vote based on the candidates espoused beliefs as well as I can, not simply because they have an (R) or (D) after their name.
If the DSA is seen as a significant part of the D party, those extreme negatives will hurt the Ds.
It does not matter if no D supports the extreme portions of the DSA platform because it will be attached to the Ds by virtue of claiming to support DSA. The more Ds who claim to be DSAs, EVEN IF THEY DO NOT SUPPORT THE EXTREMES, the more those extremes will be attached to the Ds. Political reality.
Absolutely. Republicans will take the most extreme of the extreme views and attempt to paint every democrat with it. As they always do.
See above.
Even worse, a D might wear a brown suit.
Have you noticed that the blockheads that are defending "mr science" and were obedient little shits are the same blockheads that shriek "No kings"?
That meme is a stupidly dishonest misrepresentation of what Fauci said. He said he was representing science in the discussion. That is true, that is exactly what he was supposed to do! He should accurately bring the findings of science into the discussion and explain them in terms others can understand.
Smearing fear may warm the hearts of the Trump faithful - but - avoids the ultimate question. Are Trump Republicans competitive against radicals, lunatics, and freaks? Losing to moderates or more traditional liberals could be spun away. But a contest between extremes can't be swept under the rug.
Is the 2026 mid-term election becoming a referendum on America First?
It is really a counterrevolution vs a revolution. Fifty years of the progressive project is on the line.
That is what this is all about.
Yeah, I can agree with that to a large extent. The 'progressive project' was mainly focused inward and relied on grievances that existed prior to 1964. The post-national crap had only been a theory until the 21st century. Given the authority of electoral wins, the Democratic divisions will become more public. IMO there will be far too many litmus tests than Democrats can manage. So, even after obtaining power it is likely the Democratic Party won't be able to hold it.
But I still contend that the immediate election is becoming a referendum on America First. Opposing Trump and American First seems to be the only commonality within the Democratic Party at the moment. And Trump seems to be doing everything he can to rally Democrats around that opposition.
So are the Democrats going to let the people make their choice or are they going appoint somebody as they have done in the past?
Here in Michigan, it will be difficult to beat El-Sayed in the primary, Stevens is double-digits behind and McMorrow is worse.
On the Republican side I'm Ok with either governors choice and Rogers is uncontested, so where my vote will count the most will be the Democrat side and vote against Nessel, and against El-Sayed preferably for the easiest for Rogers to beat McMorrow, but McMorrow can't beat El-Sayed in the primary, Stevens has the best chance to do that. One problem, Stevens has a better chance of beating Rogers even over El-Sayed. Decisions, decisions.
quotes from democratic politicians and thought leaders:
I am Guatemalan before I am American.” - Delia Ramirez
“America is a fucking disgrace.” - Darializa Avila Chevalier “
”America is a shithole built on slavery and genocide and rape and oppression.” - Rashida Tlaib
“I am ashamed of the U.S. Goddamn states.” - Ilhan Omar
“America deserved 9-11, dude. Fuck it. I’m saying it.” - Hasan Piker
Abdul El-Sayed Will fit right in…
The new democratic leadership
Notice that NONE of them have left the country?
Sayed finished his campaign with an appearance with Piker, the "America deserved 9-11" dog abuser who pretty much embodies every criticism I have of the race communists taking over the Democratic Party. The key to rallying the progressive vote in the Democratic primary is hating America (and Jews) in the most extreme possible way. Platner, Sayed etc..
How any sane person could support them or defend them is disgusting.
It is pathetic..
It looks like it’s going to be very close. Rural whites and blacks support the relative moderate Stevens, while rich whites and Muslims are going huge for the radical communist. Looks like a photo finish.
There we go again. More neo-fascist propaganda.
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It didn't come from the democrats.
Of course it didn't. Neo-fascist propaganda is a right wing thing. The republicon Dear Leader Trump spews neo-fascist propaganda all the time and the magas love it.
So how could it be "neo-fascist propaganda." Democrats are the only party acting as fascists and pumping propaganda out at breakneck speed.
Uh huh. That comment is either:
1. Sadly delusional
2. Totally ignorant
3. A feeble attempt at a bad joke
4. Some combination of all of the above
I pick 4.
All point to me being a liberal. Good thing I'm not.
That comment is clearly in Category 3:
That's one unsolicited opinion.
That comment is definitely in Category 4:
For further reference, please be advised that a peer review has resulted in a new designation for Category 2 as: Profoundly ignorant
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
P.S. If someone posts a comment on NT the person who posts the comment is ipso facto "soliciting" an opinion.
Cool story.
Michigan doesnt strike me as a radical communist state. To get this far means El-Sayed has appealed to much more than the "communist" voting bloc, and if he wins the general it will be even more proof that Trump has destroyed normal politics in this country.
Economic populism from "the left" is the future of this country. People are tired of admiring and catering to the richest people in the world.
Ann Arbor, Dearborn etc.. are as radical as anywhere in the country.
To get this far means El-Sayed has appealed to much more than the "communist" voting bloc, and if he wins the general it will be even more proof that Trump has destroyed normal politics in this country.
Not really. He won a plurality among Democrats. Large segments of the left (his voting block) love the Hasan Pikers of the world. Hate America, Hate Capitalism and Hate Isreal (read Jews) and a competent candidate can pull those numbers in most states in a Democratic primary.
People are tired of admiring and catering to the richest people in the world
People are going to be tired of having their standard of living destroyed if the DSA ever takes control. OF course, as happens in every country socialists take over, the people will suffer while the socialist rulers live like the Bezos of the world.
That's shortsighted and dumb.
Lawmakers can put protections against predatory capitalism without destroying capitalism.
The country is being degraded.
The scary part, is that the moderate democrats that voted for Stevens wouldn't have even been close to beating El-Sayed if it wasn't for the republicans switching to the democrat side and voting for her in an attempt to stop him.
The dilemma for me was that Stevens could beat Rogers in the general, while El-Sayed has little chance of doing that. Republicans of the state are now highly motivated and will show up at the November polls and moderate democrats are now motivated to join the republicans against the DSA. Basically everyone that voted for El-Sayed in the primary are the only ones he can count on to vote for him in the general.