This Take on Hamas and Its Western Supporters Is Worth Reading
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It's not often that I read anything in the NY Times that I completely agree with. More often I find their coverage of bent by an obvious bias toward conclusions reached in advance about who the good guys and bad guys are. So, for instance, their first stab at coverage of Jason Arday was terrible . Only later did they cover the awkward fact that Arday was clearly a liar who'd invented most of his biography.
This piece is in the opinion section, but even so it feels like the first clear statement about Gaza and Hamas the paper has published in some time. The author is a Palestinian who was educated in American. He got to see how Hamas operated up close .
Despite its posturing as an elite club, Hamas, from its inception, behaved like a mob of gangsters, brutalizing Palestinian women who violated its fanatic sense of morality, torturing and killing those who were suspected of opposing them and carrying out grisly suicide attacks against Israeli civilians, which weakened the Palestinian Authority and empowered the extremist right in Israel, which seized the opportunity to destroy hopes of a new Palestinian horizon or future.
Now, in the ruins of my once beautiful homeland, we are witnessing the coda of the group’s two decades of horrific rule. By agreeing in principle to a disarmament plan after its Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel and slaughter of hundreds of civilians led to over two years of Israeli bombardment that killed tens of thousands of Gazans, including much of my family, Hamas is acknowledging what Palestinian leadership knew 30 years ago: that only peace could lead to freedom and armed struggle was a disastrous strategy.
But the best part of the article is that it doesn't just go after the terrorist group, it places blame on the group's western supporters who now seem to make up a majority of the progressive left .
Hamas should have no role in Gaza’s future but, appallingly, so many in the West who consider themselves allies of the Palestinian people still see the group as honorable resistance fighters. Their support for, or failure to denounce, the group only helps perpetuate the degradation of Gaza...
Repeated wars killed thousands of Palestinians and wounded or displaced hundreds of thousands, locking Gaza into a cycle of destruction, reconstruction, resource theft and deeper Hamas entrenchment. Billions of dollars were wasted and the development that I saw emerging as a child was arrested.
This alone should have delegitimized Hamas among Western activists, academics, students, journalists, protesters, politicians and those who claim to be pro-Palestinian. Yet after Hamas carried out the worst single-day massacre of Jews since the Holocaust on Oct. 7, triggering the worst catastrophe in modern Palestinian history, I watched with dismay and anger as activists, students, academics, politicians and writers expressed a chilling appreciation for the massacre.
At a rally the day after the Hamas attack, organized and attended by people who became key supporters of Mayor Zohran Mamdani, the “ resistance” and “ Intifada ” were cheered. A day later, student groups announced that they stood “in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance” and that they hold “the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence.” Activists began referring to the Oct. 7 massacre by what Hamas called it, the Al-Aqsa Flood. The influential leftist streamer Hasan Piker, who campaigned for Mayor Mamdani, the Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed and other Democrats, has normalized Hamas and praised other terrorist groups , even while he coyly denied supporting terror.
The resistance narrative became a matter of solidarity with social justice groups and marginalized communities, with Hamas as a symbol of liberation. As a result, a poll in April found that 40 percent or more of Americans between 18 and 34 said they supported Hamas over Israel.
As Hamas seems to be on the verge of collapsing and maybe even giving up control in Gaza, the last thing anyone needs is support for the group in America. That will only doom Gaza to a repeat of what just happened, i.e. more foolish attacks followed by more destruction and death from Israel in response. In order to avoid this future, Gaza needs to change direction. And that means Gaza's supporters in the west also need to change direction.
Gaza needs to be reimagined so it is no longer sustained by an NGO complex or a refugee framework. Gaza will need deep deradicalization across schools, mosques, media and public language to cultivate and produce builders and creators...
Will those in the West who express support for Palestinians finally abandon their sloganeering about “resistance”?
I was equally struck by some of the comments. The top comments, with hundreds of upvotes, are overwhelmingly supportive of the author's take. Again, this is the kind of thing I'd expect to see on the right, not being upvoted 1,500 times by NY Times subscribers.
This ineffably honest article should be widely distributed not because it is critical of Hamas but because it is critical of the fellow travelers and sycophants of Hamas who continue to enable and promote the Terrorist enterprise.
Here's the #2 comment.
I must confess, I fell out of my chair when I read this. The first honest article I have ever seen in The New York Times on the subject — exposing not just Hamas, but the moral depravity of those in the the West supporting Hamas.
Comment #3 (in order of upvotes) is from the Bay Area.
When Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel in 1977, retired Golda Meir asked Sadat on the tarmac, “What took you so long.”
That’s my question to the New York Times this morning. I’ve read similar accounts mostly on social media, and brave Palestinians and Lebanese speak up for peace the end of terror domination. The political-academic-media campaign to suppress these views and prop up hate has been downright chilling.
It just keeps going like this.
Wow. A realistic assessment of the situation from a normal Gazan, not an Islamist ideologue or Hamas apologist. Somewhat shocked to see this in the NYT, but thank you; maybe there is hope that reasonable people can prevail.
People are genuinely surprised this was published at all.
This is the single best column ever published in the NYT on the Gaza conflict. And it comes from someone who has lived it firsthand.
I hope it goes viral and all those who consider themselves fair minded will read it and consider its point of view even if they disagree with it.
I too hope that it goes viral. If you can, read the whole thing. Hasan Piker shouldn't be allowed to dominate discussion of this topic.
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Time and time again, the useful idiots on the left have been exposed as carrying water for Hamas, modern day nazis. When will the Hamas cheeleaders take accountability for what they've done?
Good luck with that. Surely you must know what you're up against.
You understand this article is about the actions of people who pride themselves on being secularists, right?
... as opposed to the radical rug sniffers, foreskin pruners, and bible thumpers, that occupy the very bottom rung of humanity.
Great article
Prior to Oct 7th, and then the lengthy disproportionate response by Israel that killed 60 or 70 thousand people, were there frequent large protests "in favor" of Hamas?
I certainly dont remember any such thing. So what is Israel's role in creating this monster? If you say zero I will know you are not serious.
For one, as this article points out, the protests in favor of Hamas began immediately after October 7th, before Israel did much of anything.
I guess you are not serious.
A point many Hamas supporters will never admit.
That's the bullshit part of all of this these dipshits are ignoring. There is NO mass support on the left of Hamas, it's just NOT HAPPENING.
What this slimy HotAir piece (at least they know what they are) takes a NYT opinion piece (not from the editor or staff) which says:
A statement with ZERO fucking proof and frankly, I watch some CNN and MSNOW and PBS, all the media networks conservatives claim are ultra-liberal, and NONE of them EVER make statements that could be construed as still seeing Hamas "as honorable resistance fighters". Claiming there are "many" in the west who feel that way without ANY FUCKING PROOF shows what complete horse shit this whole seed is, though this is just par for the course and to be expected from dishonest conservatives.
"Waz you there, Sharley?" Col. Richard Kemp was.
It's getting rather tiring having to explain, apparently to those who are incapable of listening, that I and millions of other progressives, DO NOT 'love', condone or support terrorists, whether foreign or domestic, simply because we object to the indiscriminate bombing of women and children.
I object to when terrorists bomb civilians and use civilians as human shields, and I hate it when the supposed 'good guys' bomb civilians and shoot or bomb the human shields. Neither of those sides are worth supporting because neither one is doing their best to protect the innocent. And sadly, it seems on one side it's easier to just demonize the other side's women and children so you can ignore the guilty of all those children whose blood is indirectly on your hands through your tacit support of their murder seen as justified because they had to go after the real bad guys behind them.
I'm sure all those conservatives who have been supporting the indiscriminate bombing of civilians to get at the bad guys using them as human shields would, if they were in those civilian families' shoes, accept that your children and your wife simply had to die. There was just no other way for the righteous IDF to bring peace but to drop bombs on buildings that may or may not have terrorists in them but maybe did a while ago, but who really cares anyway because none of the brown people living in this crumbling shithole are worth anything anyway, right?
Now, some have said the IDF has done all they can to protect the innocent and the IDF claims to go to extraordinary lengths to avoid civilian's casualties, but I have also heard and seen evidence that contradicts those claims. But I will at least accept that the IDF is at least claiming they're trying, which is more than Hamas has done. That's why I support Israels right to defend itself and recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization, but that doesn't mean I'm giving a thumbs up to the IDF to blow up children. I'm pissed off at my own government for blowing up a school full of Iranian children. I don't fucking care if some Keifer Sutherland dick hole had just tortured an Iranian scientist to give up the location of their hidden nuke and it was a school full of kids; you still don't blow up the school full of fucking kids! I don't fucking care about the "what-ifs" and the "but millions of people could die" later bullshit reasoning, that's fucking fantasy horse shit, what's real is pulling the trigger to drop a bomb on a school full of children and that's NOT okay no matter what culture those kids were born into.
Now, I'm not saying that no military should ever drop a bomb or fire a missile without being 100% sure there are no kids around, but I'd like to think the military my tax dollars go to pay for could at minimum make pretty damn sure it wasn't a school full of kids or a street market with children and women present before having to indiscriminately murder or maim everyone, supposedly for 'my' safety. If you were told that an evil terrorist had kidnaped your family, your wife and children, and was using them as human shields and the police said "Well, the only way to make sure the terrorists are dead and we get this over by dinner is to blow the building up, so I'm sorry sir, but we'll remember your family as patriots", would your reply simply be "I understand, do what you've got to do"? Really? It wouldn't be "Hey, maybe we can take some more time and figure out a way to negotiate or get my family back, or kill the terrorists more carefully with snipers or something? Maybe?"?
Thank you for reminding me of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo and Dresden.
I'm not sure if that was supposed to be sarcasm, but I agree. We should be reminded or Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo civilians, Dresden civilians, My Lai, the school full of kids in Minab, all of the things America has done that we should be ashamed of. None of those things were okay. Some may try and justify them today, but I did not and do not support such actions of my government. Which is why I do not feel at all hypocritical about calling out the IDF when they also try and justify the terrible violence they have inflicted on civilians, perhaps not targeting them intentionally, but knowing they're there and deciding to bomb anyway.
Sadly, it feels as if the world is coming into another excessively violent period much like what the world went through in the first third of the last century. I only hope that fewer innocent people lose their lives for the greedy violent piece of shit dictators who seem poised to try and force themselves on everyone as they like to do, because they believe, " when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything".
What do convicted felons, narcissist dick hole authoritarians, violent immigration officers, pedophiles and those who justify bombing little kids deserve for Christmas?
Nothing but lumps.
I am unable to open the link you posted.
It's just a gif of Santa giving a paramilitary dressed goon his lumps.
I see them as nothing but blood thirsty terrorists
Agreed. And so do 90% of those on the left. But the right will always only focus on the 10% or less that for one reason or another think violence against is Israel is justified. That's who I think Buzz is angry at but ends up just yelling at the 90% because they haven't been hard enough on the 10% loonies. Of course, there is at least as large a percentage if not larger of those on the right who are extreme antisemites and want both sides to wipe each other out since they believe only one group, white conservative Christians worshiping white Jesus, will eventually triumph over all the earth. But those who feel that way on the right got really quiet over the last few years, ever since Charlottesville in my opinion, because they realized they came out a little early and got attacked for their obvious confederate Nazi collab project they've been working on in their moms' basements for years. After October 7th and some on the left turning against the retaliation massacres, those antisemites on the right just smiled, stayed quiet and kept their heads down.
we seem continuously reminded by the author that because of a few muslim candidates and representatives already within the US legislature as democrats, the logical progression is that most democrats support radical muslim terrorists and are godless antisemites.
but surprisingly, those that support a convicted felon, alleged rapist, alleged child molester, non-prosecuted traitor, and current record holder for decrees ruled unconstitutional, trump supporters aren't bound by the same logic and are given a pass.
Not most, just a daily growing number
And if they don't support them they are quiet about it
Your use of "logical" in that sentence is the same as one might say it's 'logical' for a chimpanzee to put a human boot on its head. Sure, it may seem logical from the low IQ chimp, but those with any sort of intelligence would put the boot on the body part that matched it better. In the same way, it may seem like a "logical progression" for a complete fucking moron with their head shoved up their own ass to make, but no one with more than half a brain is going to be led to that kind of stupid conclusion.
you mean like maga has been with the epstein files? the iran war? the relentless attacks upon the US constitution by POS/POTUS? the war in ukraine, gas, groceries, and no new wars on day 1?
that kind of maga quiet?
No
No
No
No
Like all the democrats that will not pledge they are not extremists or socialists and support radicals in their "big tent".
you're correct, I should have said their instead of the ...
Why are the numbers so high? It's because Hamas used war crimes - hid themselves and their weapons and control centres in hospitals, schools, mosques, UNRWA facilities and refugee camps and they famously used human shields.
After they had killed 4 or 5 thousand people wouldnt it have been prudent for Israel to stop and reconsider their strategy? No one begrudged them for taking revenge for Oct 7th. But it wasnt long before they went too far. It has damaged Israels reputation considerably.
Right.. As every victor has ever done when attacked. Stop waging war as soon as casualties are roughly equal because the last thing a country who is attacked should ever do is prevent the aggressor from doing it again in the near future. I guess the the whole point of warfare is to stop as soon as casualties are equal because the whole point is to ensure the losing aggressor remains in the exact same position relative to the country it attacked so it can try again.
It's the point of the article. We see how it plays out over and over. . Jihad is waged against Israel. As soon as things start going badly the losers and their allies start screaming "genocide" and ask to be left to regroup. (pay no attention to the population of Gaza growing during the "genocide," words have no meaning to those who parrot Hamas PR).
It has damaged Israels reputation considerably
So you believe the US's reputation was harmed because they didn't stop fighting the Japanese after Guadalcanal? Or ever fought the Germans, after a few bombing raids?
I thought Hamas were terrorists. Since when do we kill terrorists women children and families ?
A better reply than I could have posted. Because Hamas has even ANNOUNCED that it will do Oct7 again, again and again, it has become necessary for Israel to totally eradicate Hamas, or face Oct7 again and again..
That is hilarious
The second Israel retaliated for Oct 7, many on the left got even louder about wishing for their demse and the success of Hamas. Still doing it today
Hamas must have a hell of a regular army.
They have not gone far enough as long as Hamas is in control and able to build up to do it again
It is not "revenge" to do whatever is necessary to protect and defend one's nation and population.
Some might say it's "necessary" to pre-emptively use the US nuclear arsenal to wipe out all other nations that may ever pose a threat to the American people. But those are stupid people. Those are people who haven't thought things through, haven't calculated the cost, like letting a chicken decide the next chess move when the outcome of the game will determine whether billions of people will live or die. That might work if the game is Tic-Tac-Toe but not a geopolitical nightmare of global interests where even the slightest hint at a move can affect the lives and financial futures of billions.
October 7th was abominable. The unrestrained feral response to it by Israel's leadership was stupid and inhumane. But even then, many of Israel's allies turned a blind eye for a while. But as the death toll continues to rise and the atrocities and indiscriminate bombings of civilians continues, some of those allies are having trouble stomaching it. And calling them antisemites simply because they can't stomach the bombing of women and children is just stupid and cowardly.
Your link is meaningless to me because I can't open it. But then, so is the rest of your comment, because Oct7 was neither the beginning or the end of Hamas' attacks on Israel. How many 9/11s would it take for America to put an end to even the possibility for it to happen again and again.
Your link, that I'm unable to open, means nothing to me.
Too bad. It was Ben Shapiro talking about Hamas and everything the Israelis have done to try and avoid civilian casualties and was a great explanation of your point..
It's just a pic of the old Tic-Tac-Toe chickens they had at fairs. You put a quarter in and picked a spot on the tic tac toe board, and the machine dropped some feed into a slot the chicken would peck at selecting a grid spot. It was impossible to beat since that game always ends in a tie as long as both parties are paying attention.
Never said it was.
So, are you asking "How many 9/11s would it take for America to execute everyone and anyone who was either connected to 9/11, celebrated 9/11, danced in the streets over 9/11 or thought about dancing in the streets, and anyone leaving even a possibility for it to happen again?".
I just want to be clear because it seems you're asking how many 9/11's would it take for me to be cool with genocide and mass murder so that I was confident there either were no more people who wished me or my country harm or that any of those persons are rendered incapable of harming my country. If so, my answer would be infinity. I will never be okay with genocide and mass murder. I believe in bringing justice to those who commit crimes, not murder for pre-crime or thought crime and certainly not wiping out entire groups or cultures just because I deem them a threat to mine.
Take note that it will soon be the 25th anniversary of 9/11. The people who danced in their streets and shared candies to celebrate Oct7 are the same ones who did so on 9/11.
Yep. Only difference is now they are in Congress or on their way.
More people died in Chicago than Palestine this weekend, the liberal Hamas supporters have to be antisemitic pieces of shit. Or racist? Flip of the coin.
Or mayors of big cities, or their supporters.
Links of mayors of big cities outside of the Middle East doing so?
And the same dumb fucks who made that shit up then are the same ones making it up now.
Are there Palestinians around the globe that celebrate when Israeli Jews and Jewish Americans are killed? Certainly, and they think themselves justified because every one of them has a story about how their family or friends were killed and their land stolen by Israel, just like the stories told by Israeli Jews about their family and friends killed by Palestinian terrorists. They both regularly justify the murder in their hearts, and I don't want to have anything to do with either of them, so I'm called anti-Semitic on one hand and a Godless capitalist infidel deserving of death on the other. And in America I'm called a liberal atheist socialist that doesn't deserve my freedoms by half-wit rightwing conservative Christians. Fuck all three sides and fuck all three faiths as clearly none of them actually work to bring peace, they just shout that they're right and only their God is real "One" even though all three worship the same fucking God. What a total shit show.
I didn't say they danced in the streets in America. Obviously I meant they did so in the West Bank and Gaza, if not elsewhere in the Middle East.
Ah, so people who were dancing in the West Bank and Gaza are now, as in the comment you quoted in your reply, in Congress or on their way?
Are we talking about the same Congress?
I didn't mean that ANY Americans were literally "dancing in the streets", but there ARE those in Congress who support those who attack Israel, such as wanting to end military aid to Israel.
So, if an American taxpayer who lives in the deepest swamps of Florida and doesn't know where Israel is or care and votes to stop sending tax dollars and weapons to a foreign government because he wants to use his tax dollars for things here in his own country, that's attacking Israel? Is treating Israel like any of our other allies not allowed?
I mean, Trump has threatened to invade Greenland and turn Canada into a 51st State, but Israel should get special treatment, why? "OH! But they're surrounded by Arabs!" Waah fucking waah, so is everyone else these days, get used to it.
I don't mind having the same relationship with Israel as we do with every other ally, but I see no reason to give any special treatment. The only ones who think that's necessary are the dipshit Zionists and conservative Christians who only want the Jewish people to stay in Israel to fulfill bible prophecy so that Armageddon can come and wipe out all of white Jesus's enemy's aka anyone white conservative Christians hate. Of course, what they won't say out loud now is that includes all the remaining Jews after they've fulfilled their role along with anyone who doesn't accept white Christians as God's new chosen people. And with the instant gratification society upon us, white conservative Christians were through waiting for Christ to come along and start Armageddon, so they voted for a convicted criminal who would be willing to do it. So, here we are, balls deep in the middle east again with no reasonable way out, no plan and no clear objectives, so you'll have to excuse me for being a bit sour about those on the right who have done this to what was an already great nation.
The damage done to America from all this will likely take decades to recover from, possibly seeing the kind of damage to our nation and military that Russia saw after they spent ten fruitless years with their dicks in the sand in Afghanistan. And who do we have to thank? MAGA by way of Trump and bitch boy Bibi who rode the Trump pony into war like a bald little jockey.
Well, when US citizens look at a country we're supporting with our taxes, whose citizens get government benefits we don't, like publicly-funded healthcare and heavily subsidized higher education, I think it's understandable that they and their representatives might question whether that money might be better used to our own benefit.
Now, would you like to address your claim about mayors?
Perhaps Israel should be supported because it happens to be an indispensible American asset gaining needed intelligence in an area where the USA needs the eyes and ears that it doesn't itself have. Let's not forget what Alexander Haig said about it being like the biggest American carrier in the Middle East without requiring one soldier on board.
The USA does not SUPPORT Israel with its taxes. The USA provides MILITARY AID to Israel. I repeat again - consider what Alexander Haig said about Israel.
About mayors? How about New York City?
Supporting Israel with military aid frees Israel to spend money providing its citizens with benefits US citizens don't have.
Was the Mayor of NY dancing in the streets about 9-11? Because if you follow the comment thread, you indicated that he was, along with the members of Congress who were accused of the same, with you agreeing (and then backpedaling).
In my opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion, in his mind he was dancing in the streets. If it's so important to you, prove me wrong.
How do you prove what was in someone's mind unless they put it on paper? '
Nope. Complete bullshit rhetorical nonsense invented by Bibi to make Israel feel more important. In reality we've simply been playing guard dog for two thirds of a century, mostly because some Christians believe in bible prophecy and voted and made decisions based on their faith.
Also, what would the fucking difference be between our relationship with Israel if we weren't dumping money into their military and it became the same relationship we have with many other countries with which we are allies and have bases within their borders? Why would we all of a sudden have an " area where the USA needs the eyes and ears"? Would we be kicked out of the country and treated like an enemy if we stopped sending them $4B in military aid every year? I mean, that does seem like something some countries might do, does that mean Israel only tolerates the US there because we pay them buttloads of money? Seem's like there's something wrong with that kind of relationship.
Since you brought up the analogy, carriers are the LAST thing America want to be building or investing in, they're simply not nimble enough for modern warfare. That is doubly true for a carrier that can't move at all and is surrounded on all sides and has a petty regional and religious conflict with the millions of humans they essentially keep locked up in the carrier's brig.
Well, ya know...when you're a stranger to the truth just make up some bullshit and hope somebody eats it
Something Jews today better understand...these Christians will force them to convert or kill them if things go their way. That's their mindset. They only want them NOW because they are part of a misbegotten Biblical prophecy.
I think most believe they won't ever have to; white Jesus will come and do it for them.
2000+ years ago, wealthy fascists killed the last social activist jew, the only jew they really probably most of them ever cared about, that thumpers now worship, while his followers stood by and did nothing. now most of them vote for the interests of wealthy fascists that work to eliminate the types of programs their savior taught and urged them to follow as believers ...
... so confusing. no wonder organized religion is fading from our culture ...
promises of milk and honey get both ideologies a foot in the door, and thumpers fall for it time and again, while the most of the rest of us end up with a shit sandwich on a paper plate ...
maga and evangelicalism have converged at the apex of bullshit to create christo-fascism, now arguably the groups closest to being the greatest terrorist threat to america ...
... uh-oh, maybe he won't recognize them by then.
That would be a funny video to make; Jesus arriving on earth and approaching America and Trump and the MAGAites step out of a cloud of smoke and collectively turn their 50 cal mini guns on the brown skinned robe wearing bearded middle eastern man approaching them.
"We're bible Trumpers now bitch!"
but, but, but, just because that's the biblical description of their savior, like his teachings, it doesn't mean anything now ...
I used to have a lot of sacrilegious fun with a former member by telling him/her that their savior wouldn't know him/her ...
Well he wouldn't
Jesus went to heaven after he died and had 'work done' and got all Mar-a-Lago'd out. Some Botox, skin whitening, teeth whitening, faith whitening, had his asshole bleached, the works. He looks like a whole new man.
"A little more to the left Jesus, you know those treatments weren't free. I paid for all that shit so you better keep rubbing. And don't be afraid to use the thumbs, get on in there. Yeah, that's more like it...".
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I used to tell the trumper/thumper that geezus already came back, and he was either lynched or deported by republicans ...
Well, that sounds pretty prejudiced.
it gets better, keep scrolling down ...
It is rather amazing that some have to set the bar at "Prove the guy who was ten years old when 9/11 happened wasn't thinking about dancing in the streets in celebration of all the dead infidels" to stop hating any Muslims they see.
Isn't it, though? "I'm sure I know what he was thinking when he was a child, and if you can't prove me wrong, then I have every reason to think badly of him!"
It reminds me of why spectral evidence was outlawed in court. As we see here, it is all too easy for people to jump on the bandwagon of unfounded accusations, and some don't like to let go of those accusations. We're seeing a new rendition of The Crucible playing out right here on this page.
It's really becoming tiresome having to constantly and continually defend Israel for doing what is necessary to defend itself and its population. Perhaps I see things a little differently than others because I personally witnessed a bus bomb explosion set off by a Palestinian when I was in Jerusalem, and because I persoally saw the immediate aftermath of the Passover Massacre at the Park Hotel in Netanya, and because I had to run and hide in a shelter when bombs were sent over a kibbutz I was visiting in northern Israel, or because my son only through the grace of God escaped being blown to bits by a terrorist bomb when he was in Jerusalem. I doubt that any other NT members have had such personal experiences, while they sit comfortably in their living rooms watching biased TV news stories and read biased newspaper headlines.
Anyone who thinks that Israel was going to be able to kill 70,000 people, majority civilians, and not get criticized for it is delusional.
This is the 21st century. People can understand many things without having personally lived through them.
I didn't say such people were not allowed to be critical. I just think that in the circumstances they are wrong, just as would Col. Richard Kemp try unsuccessfuly to convince them about being wrong as well. .
But you seem to be saying, correct me if I'm wrong, that those who ARE critical must be antisemites who support Hamas and terrorists.
I've tried many times to point out how, while I am critical of some of Israels actions and I do not support the indiscriminate bombing of civilians, I do not support the terrorists or Hamas and think they should be brought to justice.
So, when you say people are allowed to be critical, is that really just saying people are allowed to, in your mind "expose themselves as antisemites" because that's the only thing you'll label any critic of Israel?
ummmm....yep
LOL, somebody screenshot this in it's entirety ...
done
That's a perfect example of putting words in another's mouth. I never said or meant that. Now what else are you going to say I am saying?
meh, after 2+ millennium on planet earth's regions of abrahamic religions and their shared cultures of revenge and retribution, it's probably a learned defensive mental function for the religious wackos to be so biased about collateral damage to other civilians that aren't connected to it, yet can't escape it ...
I was asking a question which is why it has a question mark.
Great.
Since I didn't actually put any words in your mouth, I won't start now either.
Now that we have that resolved, perhaps you can let us all know which criticisms of Israel you think makes one an antisemite and which criticisms of Israel do not, because apparently that's a wildly varying scale depending on the mood of the defender.
The 25th anniversary of 9/11 is almost here to MAYBE remind everyone just who are your enemies and who are your friends. I am done responding to replies to my comments posted on this article by those who have not had the same life experiences that I have had. Anything further, including what I'm unable to open anyway, will simply be "IMPASSED" or ignored.