Highland Park Il Parade Shooting Leaves Six Dead, Dozens Injured

  
Via:  John Russell  •  one month ago  •  139 comments

By:   J. Kim Murphy (Variety)

Highland Park  Il    Parade Shooting Leaves Six Dead, Dozens Injured
Multiple people have reportedly been shot after rounds were fired during a Fourth of July parade in the Illinois suburb Highland Park.

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A shooting at a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Ill. has left at least six people dead and 24 others injured, according to the New York Times.

Reports indicate that shots were heard approximately 10 minutes after the parade had commenced at 10 a.m. CT. Authorities have stated that they believe the gunman had used a high-powered rifle, firing from a rooftop near the parade.

Highland Park PD have described the situation as an "active incident." The police department of Evanston, Ill., a nearby town, has stated that the shooter remains at large.


While there is no known threat to Evanston residents, the shooter is still at large; and cancelations are taking place in an abundance of caution. Our thoughts and prayers go out to our neighbors to the the north. — Evanston, IL Police (@EvanstonPD) July 4, 2022

Highland Park possesses a population of roughly 30,000 people.

Highland Park's government has informed residents to avoid the downtown area, though its initial statement did not specifically reference that a shooting had occurred. The city posted the message to its official Facebook page at 10:45 a.m. CT.

"Highland Park Police are responding to an incident in downtown Highland Park. All 4th of July events have been canceled. Please avoid downtown Highland Park. Take shelter if in downtown HP. More information will be shared as it becomes available," reads the statement.

Highland Park mayor Nancy Rotering shared the same message on Twitter.

Neighboring towns such as Deerfield, Ill. have reportedly canceled their own official Fourth of July festivities since the incident began in Highland Park. Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot has stated that the city's police department is providing assistance to Highland Park "to bring the shooter into custody."

"There are no words for the kind of monster who lies in wait and fires into a crowd of families with children celebrating a holiday with their community," Illinois Governor J.N. Pritzker said in a statement Monday afternoon. "There are no words for the kind of evil that robs our neighbors of their hopes, their dreams, their futures."

Chicago Sun-Times columnist Lynn Sweet shared a brief video of the parade's abrupt conclusion. The footage shows groups of people fleeing from the area. Sweet also shared images of noticeably bloodied individuals from the area.

Actress Rachel Brosnahan shared that she was raised in Highland Park and called the Fourth of July parade "a highlight of the year for so many families."

"I'm sick to my stomach every time news like this comes out, but I don't wish the pit in your stomach as you call your family and friends to make sure everyone is okay on anyone," Brosnahan wrote. "No words."


I grew up in Highland Park and this parade is a highlight of the year for so many families. I'm sick to my stomach every time news like this comes out, but I don't wish the pit in your stomach as you call your family and friends to make sure everyone is okay on anyone. No words. https://t.co/5dE7JB8Z17 — Rachel Brosnahan (@RachelBros) July 4, 2022

The Highland Park shooting comes amidst a series of devastating mass shootings in the United States. In late May, 19 students and two adults were killed by a gunman at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas. Days before, another gunman opened fire on a grocery store in Buffalo, N.Y. while livestreaming his attack on Twitch. Calls for stricter gun control laws have been reignited across the United States in recent months as a response to the sequence of tragedies.

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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

Young white guy set up a sniper perch and shot many people at a 4th of July parade in one of the most affluent suburban communities in the Chicago area.

Should be an interesting motive. 

Gun love on the 4th of July, what could be more American. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago
Should be an interesting motive. 

Interesting the adjective you picked in describing the motive of this murder.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1    one month ago

The median individual income in Highland Park is over $100,000. Not exactly a seemingly likely place for a mass shooting.

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
1.1.2  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago

"The median individual income in Highland Park is over $100,000. Not exactly a seemingly likely place for a mass shooting."

It is if you're an unemployed shooter.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago
Not exactly a seemingly likely place for a mass shooting.

What meets your criteria for a likely mass shooting place?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.3    one month ago

Answer your own questions. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
1.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    one month ago

I can't answer, I don't know what criteria you use.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

He's white so they took him alive.  He is a fan of #45.  Another young republican.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

6 dead, 24 seriously wounded in shooting at Highland Park July 4 parade; "An act of violence that has shaken us to our core"

Multiple loud sounds at Highland Park …

original CBS News on MSN.com  · 1h
 
 
 
Revillug
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3  Revillug    one month ago

Can we please steer the conversation back to politicizing guns?

In all seriousness, the amount of guns we have in the public hands and the daily occurrence of events like this is the fault of ONE political party.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Revillug @3    one month ago

The never Trumper David Jolley was on the tv a little while ago. He said, I thought quite correctly, that America has FAILED to deal effectively with gun violence. Failed. That is a realization that we have to acknowledge. What has been done hasnt worked. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    one month ago

What should be done John?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.1    one month ago

enact all the proposed laws about background checks, registration, age restrictions, ban new sale of assault rifles, etc and lets see in a couple years where that gets us . Doing nothing is not an option. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.3  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    one month ago
enact all the proposed laws about background checks, registration, age restrictions, ban new sale of assault rifles, etc and lets see in a couple years where that gets us . Doing nothing is not an option. 

Those 4 items were discussed in the recent gun control law that was signed by Biden just 10 days ago, but they were not included in the law.  But going by your sentence, as a new law was passed and signed then we should wait a couple of years to see what it gets us.

I disagree with waiting however.  The common piece among all these shootings is a person did the work.  I'm fairly confident that once again when they start to disclose the background of this latest POS, there will be several "red flags" that were missed or ignored.  I don't think we can really wait a couple of years before they start to seriously look at the people who do these acts and try to find a way to identify them in advance.  As well as insuring that all institutions are fully working to identify and prevent the formation of these people.  

But those 4 items you listed, I do not believe that they would make much of any difference in this type of problem.  Just banning the new sale of "assault rifles" won't do much of anything as there are how many million of them already out in public.  Age restrictions already exist, this POS from today was 22.  Registration, only will work with guns sold in the past 12 years or so, anything prior to that is there a paper trail anymore?  I have several guns handed down from my father and grandfather which were purchased well before there was any restrictions, I even have one that was purchased thru the Sears catalog.  Background checks?  They are already done by licensed dealers, my complaint on this has always been that there are no teeth in the system to force reporting agencies to get the data in to the NICS system.  And if  you are implying the so-called universal background check, I am loath to allow the federal government to get inserted into intra-state commerce, I'm very concerned that slippery slope will only end badly for the American public.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.3    one month ago
The common piece among all these shootings is a person did the work. 

You're not supposed to talk about that!  Dealing with the person holding the inanimate object is much harder to work with.  

But those 4 items you listed, I do not believe that they would make much of any difference in this type of problem....

So what you are saying is that the "new" laws are nothing more than a regurgitation of existing laws put out to pacify those who are afraid of inanimate objects?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.4    one month ago

Hand grenades and flamethrowers are inanimate objects too. Do you think people should be able to walk around on city streets with them? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    one month ago
Hand grenades and flamethrowers are inanimate objects too.

Now you're finally catching on. Moronic way to go about it, but your catching on nonetheless.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.6    one month ago

You didnt answer the question. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.7    one month ago

There was no question.  Just a stupid fucking statement.

 
 
 
Revillug
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3.1.9  Revillug  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.8    one month ago
There was no question.

There was a question mark at the end of this sentence:

Do you think people should be able to walk around on city streets with them [Hand grenades and flamethrowers]?

Do you think people should be able to walk around on city streets with hand grenades and flamethrowers?

They are arms. Should the right to bear them on city streets be infringed or not?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
3.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Revillug @3.1.9    one month ago
Do you think people should be able to walk around on city streets with hand grenades and flamethrowers?

And there is the stupidity I was talking about.

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
3.1.11  Revillug  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.10    one month ago

You are avoiding answering the question because your answer would open up a keg of worms admitting that this or that weapon should and could be banned. If flamethrowers can constitutionally be banned the why not semi-automatic weapons?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
3.1.12  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Revillug @3.1.11    one month ago
If flamethrowers can constitutionally be banned the why not semi-automatic weapons?

IN DC vs Heller the court found that the DC law banning handguns, an entire class of arms that is commonly used for protection purposes, violates the Second Amendment.  Semi-automatic pistols are the most popular handgun for protection.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.13  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    one month ago
"Doing nothing is not an option."

Doing "something" that doesn't work is stupid.

But it makes self righteous lefties  feel good about themselves.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
3.1.14  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.12    one month ago

that "in common use " phrase , gets them every time .

 hand grenades and flamethrowers are not used commonly though some could make then out of readily available items  if they wanted  , just like one COULD own a howitzer , its the explosive ammo that is the hard part to get without the proper permits .

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Revillug @3.1.11    one month ago

When there is a sensible question posed I'll answer it.  That garbage JR is asking is just that - garbage.  It's about as coherent as Kamala Harris' speech in Chicago.

 
 
 
Revillug
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3.1.16  Revillug  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.12    one month ago
Semi-automatic pistols are the most popular handgun for protection.

As long as non-automatic handguns remain then heller should be satisfied.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.17  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Revillug @3.1.16    one month ago

Heller references home protection right and observes that the hand gun is by far the most popular self-defense weapon.  Of hand guns, semi-automatics are the most popular by far.  Revolver are great for hunting but almost anyone looking at self0defence will pick a semi.  That is why almost all cops and military carry them.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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3.1.18  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.17    one month ago

LOL a double action revolver does the same thing as a semi auto pistol does anyway , some fail to realize that , it just doesnt "look" as scarey  to them .

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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3.1.19  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.17    one month ago
anyone looking at self defence will pick a semi.
I would be the outlier and exception to that rule .
My carry is a 2 shot single action derringer .
 granted its chambered to take a .410 shotshell and a .45 Long colt . but it cannot be said i was over armed looking for trouble .
 And since its simply for MY own personal self defense , i dont have to worry about using it to "save" some other person , even though the law here says i can . others are just shit out of luck , but they also have te same choice of to carry for self defense or not , let them live with their choice .maybe .

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
3.1.20  Revillug  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.17    one month ago

Get better at shooting with a musket.

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
3.1.21  Revillug  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @3.1.14    one month ago
that "in common use " phrase , gets them every time .

Semi-auotmatic handguns are not in common use in NYC. And our laws will keep them that way.

Welcome to Rikers -  you will hate the food.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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3.1.22  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Revillug @3.1.21    one month ago
Semi-auotmatic handguns are not in common use in NYC

? you sure about that , or just wishful thinking ?

 i dont have to worry about rikers or the quality of its food , NYC is a no go / drive through place as far as im concerned, nothing there i want or would like to see or need   , so since i have no plans of going there , you have no worries about me . just as i have no worries about conditions of things there  .

 thats actually freedom of choice . 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @3.1.22    one month ago

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Mark in Wyoming
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3.1.24  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Tessylo @3.1.23    one month ago

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Tessylo
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3.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @3.1.24    one month ago

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Mark in Wyoming
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3.1.26  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Tessylo @3.1.25    one month ago

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Tessylo
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3.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @3.1.26    one month ago

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Mark in Wyoming
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3.1.28  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Tessylo @3.1.27    one month ago

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Mark in Wyoming
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3.1.29  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Mark in Wyoming @3.1.28    one month ago

( in a hushed , austrailian accent ) mates did ya hear all that ?  crickey that was the mating call of the perpetually offended  outback  flannel loving barking moon bat , female of the species to be sure  , and from the sounds of that one , that sheila isnt finding her joey anytime soon.

be careful mates , they can be very dangerous when in this situation .....

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @3.1.29    one month ago

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Revillug
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3.1.31  Revillug  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @3.1.22    one month ago
you sure about that , or just wishful thinking

Gun ownership is low in NYC. 

In order to say "the sorts of guns in common use for self defense" in reference to NYC you will need to be talking about guns in use someplace else.

We will stand by our muskets and slingshots.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
3.1.32  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Revillug @3.1.31    one month ago
In order to say "the sorts of guns in common use for self defense" in reference to NYC you will need to be talking about guns in use someplace else.

debatable ,maybe 

 what i think you are ignoring is the fact that the in common use also includes those firearms carried by the police and other agencies  or professions , they all carry them for self defense by virtue of their jobs .

 So what IS the standard issue side arm for the NYPD? or the port authority ? or a simple armed bank guard or courrier ?

 Lot more semi autos there than you thought looking at things as they are .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.33  Vic Eldred  replied to  Revillug @3.1.31    one month ago

"We can be street wise, tough and smart and end our [crime] problem, or we can be politically correct."

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https:// bit.ly/3ySdfKP

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Revillug @3    one month ago

What party is that?

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
3.2.1  Revillug  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2    one month ago
What party is that?

If you have to ask then you probably belong to it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3  Texan1211  replied to  Revillug @3    one month ago
In all seriousness, the amount of guns we have in the public hands and the daily occurrence of events like this is the fault of ONE political party.

Well, damn that pesky old Second Amendment, denying a liberal utopia everywhere you turn!

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
3.4  squiggy  replied to  Revillug @3    one month ago

We all saw New York give the Supreme Court, and all Americans, the middle finger. They were told their laws were unfair and instead of straightening up they doubled down on arrogance - and that's how the anti-gunners have always played. It's a new day and the left is going to have to figure out how social engineering went wrong. I'd blame free drug use and the 'me first' attitude but hey, ya'll seem fine with it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.4.1  Texan1211  replied to  squiggy @3.4    one month ago
they doubled down on arrogance

Kind of like Cali releasing all that private info on gun permit holders there?

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
3.4.2  Revillug  replied to  squiggy @3.4    one month ago
It's a new day and the left is going to have to figure out

How to control guns under the new ruling.

Kick shit.

Shoot beer cans.

If you come to Times Square, retain a lawyer.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

6 people are dead, apparently all adults. 

Perhaps as many as 40 were shot, some of them drove themselves to the hospital or had someone other than an ambulance take them, so the number is not totally clear. 

It sounded like the perp shot at least 60 bullets into the spectators. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5  Greg Jones    one month ago

Largely forgotten in the blame game is the ongoing crime spree every weekend in the metro Chicago area

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @5    one month ago

You want to blame Chicago gangs for a shooting in a wealthy white community with a black population of about 3%?

ROFL

Just stop embarrassing yourself. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.1.1  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    one month ago

Not at all, given the particulars it was more than likely a millennial white liberal kid. If that’s how it turns out?…..

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @5.1.1    one month ago

But he's not.  He's a  young trumplican.  A big fan.  Has pictures of himself at trumpturd rallies.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.2    one month ago
Has pictures of himself at trumpturd rallies.  

Exactly, he's like all the others dressed as Waldo at the rallies.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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5.2  Gazoo  replied to  Greg Jones @5    one month ago

Would not be surprised to read in the news tomorrow that more people were shot and killed in the chicago metro area this weekend than were shot and killed at the july 4th parade. It’s happened very often and nary a peep about it. I wonder why?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @5.2    one month ago

Gang violence and random mass shootings are really two different issues. 

Try and address today. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
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5.2.2  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    one month ago

Yes, today is sad just like all the other days in chicago when people were shot. In fact, there were 971 people shot in the first 5 months of 2022 in chicago and i don’t recall you putting up any articles about that. It looks racist when you only put up articles about affluent people getting shot.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @5.2.2    one month ago

fuck off

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Gazoo @5.2    one month ago

Black on black crime isn't really a problem, I guess.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Sophomore Silent
5.2.5  Gazoo  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.4    one month ago

Or doesn’t really matter.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.4    one month ago

I'm going to start to delete off topic comments about black on black crime as trolling. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Gazoo @5.2.2    one month ago

Hey, that only averages out to about 6 1/2 people per day shot.

Nothing to see here.

 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
5.2.8  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.6    one month ago

Exactly, this is all about white on white crime.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.6    one month ago

Okay, my mistake since you as the seeder talked about gangs in posts 5.1 and 5.2.1., I kind of figured if it was on topic for you, it would be on topic for me too. 

Hmmm.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Sophomore Silent
5.2.10  Gazoo  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.7    one month ago

Mayor beetlejuice seems to agree with you.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.6    one month ago

Exactly right, the 9 dead among the 57 shot in this  weekend in Chicago have nothing to do with this story.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.12  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    one month ago
Gang violence and random mass shootings are really two different issues. 

Indeed they are.  Gun violence killed almost 20,000 here in 2020.  446 or 2.3% of them were killed in mass shooting incident,

Try and address today. 

This past weekend: 

CHICAGO -- Seventy one people were shot , eight fatally, in 4th of July holiday weekend shootings across the city, Chicago police said.

Nine of the wounded were shot in two attacks on the West and South sides: Four people in West Garfield Park Friday evening, and five men in Parkway Gardens on the South Side early Monday.

At least 16 people were shot, two fatally, in a violent eight-hour span late Saturday into early Sunday in the city, according to Chicago police.
A woman was killed and a gunman was among two others wounded in a shootout Friday night in Chinatown, the police said.

A man and another gunman were shooting at each other about 10:50 p.m. in the 2200-block of South Wentworth Avenue, police said. A 24-year-old woman was struck in the torso and was taken to Stroger Hospital, where she died due to her injuries.

A second woman, 42, was taken to the University of Chicago Medical Center with a gunshot wound to her hand, police said. She was listed in good condition. One of the gunmen, a 38-year-old man, was shot in the buttocks and was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, where he was in critical condition.

Three people were shot, one fatally, in a backyard early Sunday morning in Grand Crossing on the South Side.

The victims were with people in the backyard of a house about 5:30 a.m. in the 7000-block of South Harper Avenue when someone approached and fired into the crowd, police said.

5 wounded in Parkway Gardens

A man, 24, was shot multiple times in the body and pronounced dead at the scene, officials said. Two women, 24 and 30, both suffered multiple gunshots to the body and initially went to Jackson Park Hospital before going to the University of Chicago Medical Center, police said. The younger woman's condition was stabilized and the older woman was in good condition.

A man was fatally shot Friday in Englewood on the South Side.

The 31-year-old was outside about 5:45 p.m. in the 6500-block of South Wolcott Avenue when someone approached him and opened fire, police said. He was struck in the arm and head and was transported to the University of Chicago Medical Center where he was pronounced dead.

Less than an hour earlier, a man was fatally shot in West Garfield Park.

About 5 p.m., Keishone Roberts, 29, was in the 4300-block of West Van Buren Street when someone approached him and opened fire, police and the Cook County medical examiner's office said. He was shot multiple times and taken to Stroger Hospital, where he was later pronounced dead.

Just after midnight Saturday, a man was shot to death in South Chicago on the Far South Side.

About 12:20 a.m., the man, 30, was in the 9000-block of South Escanaba Avenue when he was shot in the head, police said. He was taken to the University of Chicago Medical Center, where he died.

A man was fatally shot while riding inside a vehicle early Sunday in Brighton Park on the Southwest Side.

About 3 a.m., the man, 35, was in the passenger seat as a female driver was traveling in the 3800-block of South Kedzie Avenue when he was struck in the neck by gunfire, police said.

The driver then drove about two and a half miles to the 5600-block of South Spaulding Avenue, where she called police, officials said.

The man was pronounced dead at the scene, police said. His name hasn't been released yet.

A man was killed in a shooting Saturday in South Shore.

About 4 p.m., he was riding a bike in the 2100-block of East 71st Street when someone fired shots at him from a dark-colored sedan, police said.

The 26-year-old was struck in the head and arm, and taken to the University of Chicago Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.

A man was fatally shot sitting outside a residential building Sunday morning in West Humboldt Park on the West Side.

The man, 38, was sitting outside the building about 10 a.m. in the 700-block of North Springfield Avenue when he was shot in the chest and head, police said.

He was taken to Stroger Hospital, where he was pronounced dead, officials said.

Hours later, a man was shot walking in Chicago Lawn on the South Side.

The man, believed to be between 25 to 35 years old, was walking about 12:50 p.m. Sunday in the 6500-block of South Kedzie Avenue when a dark colored vehicle approached and someone inside got out and opened fire, police said.

He was taken to Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn with multiple gunshot wounds to the head, police said. He was later pronounced dead, officials said.

Other attacks

Nine people were wounded in two attacks on the West and South Sides.

In the first mass shooting, four people were wounded Friday evening in West Garfield Park.

Just after 9 p.m., a male walking down the 3800-block of West Monroe Street opened fire, striking multiple people, according to the police.

A man, about 25 years old, was struck in the back and taken to Mount Sinai Hospital in serious condition, police said.

A woman in her 20s was hit in the leg and taken to the same hospital in good condition, police said.

Another woman, 36, and a man, 41, both suffered gunshot wounds to the back, police said. The pair were transported to Stroger Hospital in good condition, police said.

Days later, a 17-year-old boy was among five people wounded in a mass shooting early Monday in Parkway Gardens, according to Chicago fire and police officials.

Officials responded to a call of multiple people shot about 12:20 a.m. in the 6500-block of South Martin Luther King Drive , a spokesperson with the fire department said.

The boy was taken to St. Bernard Hospital with a gunshot wound to the arm, Chicago police said.

A man, 30, was taken to the University of Chicago Medical Center with gunshot wounds to the body.

Two men, both 19, were shot in the leg and taken to the University of Chicago.

Another man, about 25, was shot in the knee and taken to the same hospital.

All five victims were listed in fair condition, police said.

Police say preliminary information indicates that the suspect may have been traveling in a black SUV.

A 90-year-old man was hospitalized in critical condition after he was shot Saturday morning in North Lawndale.

The man was found about 10 a.m. in the 1500-block of South Harding Avenue with a gunshot wound to the abdomen, police said.

He was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital in critical condition, according to police.

Detectives were speaking to a person of interest.

I could past more, but you get the picture, right JR.

Last weekend , 24 people were shot, five fatally

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    one month ago

All they have is deflection and you'll hear nothing but black on black crime and this is a young white republican.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.6    one month ago
"I'm going to start to delete off topic comments about black on black crime as trolling."

That's exactly what they are.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.14    one month ago

Exactly, only some firearm violence is worthy of discussion.  Only 9,913 Blacks were homicide victims in 2020, while 7,029 White people were victims of homicide.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.16  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.15    one month ago

Last warning, this article is not about "black on black" violence. If you want such a topic, make your own seed. 

Any further references to black on black violence will be removed as off topic. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Freshman Quiet
5.2.17  afrayedknot  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.15    one month ago

“…only some firearm violence is worthy of discussion.”

True, and the death toll one may cite is entirely predicated on one’s politics. So easy to ignore the bodies buried and the families shattered in ignoring the bottom line…we have a gun problem.

They are simply too accessible, but no one has a fucking clue how to address it. One side considers the carnage collateral damage and the other side cannot coalesce a strategy…meanwhile the only thing we can count on is more funerals, more thoughts and prayers, and more meaningless kicking of the can down the road.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.18  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.16    one month ago

Some members prefer to troll when they've been told that they will no longer be responded to.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.19  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.18    one month ago

Don't pussyfoot around, put me on ignore and inform me when you do.

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
5.2.20  Revillug  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.12    one month ago

Geez, Drinker, when you list all that gun violence in one place it kind of makes it look like we should be banning guns instead of dithering around the margins.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.2.21  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Revillug @5.2.20    one month ago

If you can get a Constitutional Amendment passed.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.3  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @5    one month ago

Yeah!  That's the ticket! /S

original Too Soon?

 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
5.3.1  GregTx  replied to  JBB @5.3    one month ago

So you do get it?..

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.3.2  JBB  replied to  GregTx @5.3.1    one month ago

I get the irony of thinking guns make us safer!

 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
5.3.3  GregTx  replied to  JBB @5.3.2    one month ago

What do guns do? In your opinion. Make us less safe?

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
5.3.4  Revillug  replied to  JBB @5.3    one month ago

Actually, the holiday we celebrate only exists because the French were screwing with the British.

Kind of like how Ukraine's fate depends upon the United States.

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
5.3.5  Revillug  replied to  GregTx @5.3.3    one month ago
Make us less safe?

Of course guns make us less safe.

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Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
5.3.6  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Revillug @5.3.5    one month ago

And that chart is suppose to say something ?

 i see my state is it appears to be 3 or 4  as the most deadly , even though it has the least population .

 like the "REST" of the story ?

Wyoming has one of if not the highest rates of suicide in the nation , and according to the state , 80 % or better of gun deaths are attributed to suicide , not gun violence .

 Quibble if you want but suicide is not gun violence , it is a mental health issue . And the use of a firearm to commit suicide , pretty much says the individual had made up their mind thats what they wanted , and even then ,only about 90% of attempted suicides where a firearm is used , are sucsessful here.

 so unless one is suicidal , my state is actually a lot safer from gun violence than most of those at the lower end of that chart .

 and 10 year old data isnt exactly current events or reasons .

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.3.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.3.6    one month ago

I wonder how many folks that include firearm suicides in charts like this support assisted suicide?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
5.3.8  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.3.7    one month ago

oh i am all for assisted suicide , but the devil is always where it has been , in the details .

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
5.3.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.3.8    one month ago

Completely agree.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.4  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @5    one month ago

No, this guy was white and a fan of whatshisname #45

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6  Kavika     one month ago

Just another day in America, a mass shooting, a number dead and more wounded, families destroyed, but what the hell it's America on the 4th of July.

Sadly it seems that we've moved on from Uvalde.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @6    one month ago

All these fools here want to talk about is killings in Chicago. What they apparently dont understand is that crackdown on weapons would help Chicago too. Many guns are transported from Indiana and other states to the streets of Chicago. A crackdown there would help Chicago as well. 

These fools also dont understand how random shootings terrorize the population. 

But we have to support gun love culture because 230 years ago a bunch of guys who grew up with muskets decided that people can have weapons that shoot a hundred rounds a minute. The shooter fired at least 60 rounds from a high powered rifle into a crowd of people, and did it in less than a minute. 

Is this really what we want? 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6.1.1  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    one month ago

I guess it's easier to talk about gang shootings involving blacks than to discuss what the article is about, a mass shooting at a 4th of July parade celebrating the 246th birthday of our country and done by a white killer, and I'd guess that the vast majority of victims are white as well. 

The 4th of July will never ever be the same for the citizens of Highland Park. 

We'll have moved on from this mass shooting in a week or so.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
6.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @6.1.1    one month ago
"I guess it's easier to talk about gang shootings involving blacks than to discuss what the article is about,"

Guilt-soaked attempted deflection.

"We'll have moved on from this mass shooting in a week or so."

The next American mass shooting doesn't usually take that long to occur.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
6.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    one month ago
But we have to support gun love culture because 230 years ago a bunch of guys who grew up with muskets decided that people can have weapons that shoot a hundred rounds a minute

No, we have to amend the constitution, any recommendations on the wording?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.3    one month ago

Amending the constitution is not feasible in the current atmosphere. We dont need an amendment, there is nothing in the one we already have that affirms a right to individual ownership of high powered, high capacity assault rifles. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.4    one month ago
Amending the constitution is not feasible in the current atmosphere.

I'm not sure what that means.

Does that mean there there is nothing you can do or do you aim to go around the Constitution?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
6.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.4    one month ago
We don't need an amendment, there is nothing in the one we already have that affirms a right to individual ownership of high powered, high capacity assault rifles. 

Then have Congress pass a new assault weapon's ban.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.5    one month ago

Heller was decided 5-4 on strictly political and ideological lines. The idea that it is obvious that people have a constitutional right to own personal assault rifles is utterly ridiculous. 

The next "liberal" Supreme Court should make that clear to everyone. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.7    one month ago
The next "liberal" Supreme Court should make that clear to everyone. 

They have no such right!  Only congress has that right!

BTW only the liberals vote for what should be. They have no use for the Constitution.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.8    one month ago
They have no such right!  Only congress has that right!

ROFL. The SC right wing justices have a right to overturn Roe v Wade but another court at another time cannot overturn Heller?  lol, what the heck are you smoking? 

SC Justices can make the constitution mean whatever they want it to. Just ask Alito. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.9    one month ago
The SC right wing justices have a right to overturn Roe v Wade

They had an absolute duty to overturn it. It was un-Constitutional.


but another court at another time cannot overturn Heller?

Heller was an absolute confirmation of what the 2nd Amendment specifically says. I think the 2nd Amendment should be changed. Only congress can do it, not 5 activist judges!



SC Justices can make the constitution mean whatever they want it to. Just ask Alito. 

That would be the leftist activist who tampered with it for 60 years.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.10    one month ago

I am not surprised you praise right wing Supreme Court decisions , but your belief that they "had to" overturn Roe v Wade is absurd, as is your belief that Heller needed to be affirmed because it is obvious what the 2nd amendment means. The constitution means whatever the current court says it means. 

If the Heller decision was so clear cut, why was it 5-4 ? 

You cling to the illusion that your right wing courts are not political. 

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
6.1.12  Revillug  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.6    one month ago
Then have Congress pass a new assault weapon's ban.  

From what I have read there is nothing in the Supreme Court rulings that would prevent such a ban. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
6.1.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Revillug @6.1.12    one month ago

Agree.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
6.1.14  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.6    one month ago

then they run into the same problem they had with the 94 one , consent co-operation , and compliance , outside their little urban areas , there isnt really much support for one once the details become known .

 before the 94 ban which didnt ban anything because it grandfathered those in existance , and new ones were available once some cosmetic features that were required to be considered an AW were removed , they went right back on the market .

 come to think of it , that dem AW ban of 94 can be directly attributed with making the AR type rifle so popular while it was in effect , before that , most people said they would pass on buying one . ironic that gun grabbers made the very thing they wanted gone so popular with the public that shoots or collects guns  .

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
6.1.15  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.4    one month ago
Amending the constitution is not feasible in the current atmosphere.

loosely translated ; We cannot amend the constitution in the manner desired because it will never pass the ratification process and it will be defeated .

 SOOOO , what is left is to try and get legislation passed that somehow conforms to the desired definition of said amendment using legalese chicanary and double speak that a simple majority MAY be able to get passed .

 problem is , that hasnt worked either .

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
6.2  Revillug  replied to  Kavika @6    one month ago
Sadly it seems that we've moved on from Uvalde.

I haven't.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

Here is a twitter feed for the search "Robert Crimo"

robert crimo - Twitter Search / Twitter

Looking through it, not surprisingly there are those who claim to have found proof that he is "woke" , in other words a leftist, and there are those who show him in pictures at a Trump rally. 

I guess it could be either, but what is undeniable is that this wacko was obsessed with guns, and the twitter material shows this. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7    one month ago
Chase Stefano
@StefanoChase
· 1h
MAGA is out in full force saying the shooter is “ANTIFA”. His YouTube has him at trump rallies, his father ran for Mayor of Highland Park as a trump republican and lost and follows ‘Military Badassery” and Donald Trump Jr. on Facebook. Don’t let them gaslight this.
Show this thread
 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    one month ago

Another young republican with kills under his belt.  Like Kyle Rittenhouse.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
7.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.1    one month ago
Another young republican with kills under his belt

Exactly, and "Awake the Rapper" had the tattoos of a white nationalist, the four tally marks with a line through them on his right cheek, red roses and green leaves on his neck, and cursive script above his left eyebrow.

Like Kyle Rittenhouse.,

You called it, identical profile.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
7.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    one month ago
his father ran for Mayor of Highland Park as a trump republican

Do you have a source?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.3    one month ago
His Twitter page indicates that the elder Crimo follows just one account — an archived account of former President Donald Trump.

Trump was permanently suspended from Twitter for “incitement of violence” just days after the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the US Capitol.

In 2020, the younger Crimo attended one of Trump’s rallies dressed as the title character from “Where’s Waldo?”

Robert Crimo's dad liked pro-gun tweet days after Uvalde massacre (nypost.com)

I'm sure there are others, so dont press your luck. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
7.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.4    one month ago

I read that Crimo had no political party support in his 2019 campaign.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.5    one month ago

I dont think he is a liberal Democrat, do you? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.6    one month ago

He isn't.  He's a young trumppublican

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
7.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.6    one month ago

No, but so what?  He has probably had a sick kid for years and wished the problem away.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
7.1.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.7    one month ago

Pay attention, we are talking about the father.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.7    one month ago

Both of them are trumpturdpublicans

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
7.3  Revillug  replied to  JohnRussell @7    one month ago

That was an interesting read.

I don't se how anyone takes away that he was a Democrat from those tweets. I saw much more right wing clues. But really, the main issue here, besides his access to guns, is his derangement.

The question that comes to mind for me is - is derangement a mental health issue? Is it something we identify and treat or are there monsters among us?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
8  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

It doesn't make it easy for America to sell its brand of "exceptionalism" to other nations of the world.  In fact, I can't help but wonder why the emigration situation hasn't been reversed, and why Canada doesn't have a problem in controlling the flow northwards of the 48th parallel - those seeking to escape from a coast-to-coast shooting gallery.  Well, I guess if everyone could have a gun to protect themselves it's okay to stay put.  What a fucking way of life. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

This trumpster clown is going to get trounced in November. 

news.yahoo.com   /gop-illinois-governor-hopeful-apologizes-012308789.html

GOP Illinois governor hopeful apologizes after calling for people to ‘move on’ after shooting

Jared Gans 2-2 minutes   7/4/2022


Darren Bailey, an Illinois state senator and the Republican nominee for governor, apologized Monday after saying that people should “move on” from the deadly Highland Park shooting earlier in the day.

Bailey spoke after a July Fourth parade in the town of Skokie was canceled in the wake of the shooting, which left at least six dead and injured at least 24 others.

“Let’s pray for justice to prevail, and then let’s move on and let’s celebrate the independence of this nation,” he said.

Bailey said in a statement released after his comments that he apologizes if he “diminished the pain” being felt across Illinois.

“I am heartbroken by today’s tragic events and the pain and loss felt by so many,” he said. “My intent was to pray for the victims and those affected by today’s tragedy and for the shooter to be caught and prosecuted without further loss.”

Bailey said he hopes people can come together in prayer and to take action to address “rampant” crime and mental health issues to ensure tragedies like the shooting do not happen again.

He   posted   a tweet on Monday afternoon saying he sends his “heartfelt prayers” to the victims of the shooting.

“July 4th is supposed to be a holiday for families, for parades, for celebrating the American Dream, but when people dont feel safe in their own community, they are deprived of that dream,” he said.
 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @9    one month ago

Bailey didn't have a chance anyways. He was and HAS been way down in polling. This won't really matter.

Kind of silly to think one statement would make such a huge difference to someone already trailing badly.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    one month ago

One of Bailey's major problems (besides being a Trump bootlicker) is that he sounds like a hick. His heavy southern Illinois accent wont play too well in metro chicago. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.1    one month ago
His heavy southern Illinois accent wont play too well in metro chicago. 

I also doubt that he will do well but I'm surprised that you think it is because the chicago voters are so shallow to be influenced by his accent.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.1    one month ago
One of Bailey's major problems (besides being a Trump bootlicker) is that he sounds like a hick. His heavy southern Illinois accent wont play too well in metro chicago

You insinuated that he would lose because of his remarks.

I merely pointed out to you that he has trailed badly in the polls ALL ALONG.

In other words--he didn't stand a chance and his remarks won't be why he lost.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Sophomore Silent
9.1.4  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.1    one month ago

Maybe he uses a fake accent to find commonalities with the local populace? Kind of like hag clinton or hoho harris? Who knows, by the time he gets to chicago maybe he’ll be using a thuggish accent?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Gazoo @9.1.4    one month ago
Maybe he uses a fake accent to find commonalities with the local populace? Kind of like hag clinton or hoho harris? Who knows, by the time he gets to chicago maybe he’ll be using a thuggish accent?

Perhaps if he worked "I ain't no ways tired" into a speech?

Or carries a bottle of hot sauce everywhere with him?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago
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NBC News correspondent   Ben Collins   told the   Morning Joe   Crew that despite being a “Trump fan,” Highland Park mass shooting suspect   Robert Crimo III   is part of a deeper subculture that goes beyond politics.

Collins   covers disinformation , extremism and the internet for NBC News, and was a guest on Tuesday morning’s   edition  of MSNBC’s  Morning Joe   to give his insights into Crimo — the suspect   who was apprehended   in the mass shooting at the Highland Park 4th of July parade.

He spent several minutes telling host   Willie Geist   and the other   MJ   regulars about Crimo’s   disturbing online activities , and described in detail the online subculture that he says Crimo was trying to fit in with.

And toward the end of his segment, Collins took pains to point out that while “a lot of people want to point out that this guy was a Donald Trump fan,” the former president is not to blame for Crimo’s actions:

And also, I want to say, like, you can’t drill this down to one specific traditional political subculture. I know a lot of people want to point out that this guy was a Donald Trump fan. He had, there were pictures of him draped in a Trump flag or, you know, at a Donald Trump, outside of a Donald Trump motorcade. This guy, this is part of a much larger, deeper subculture that Donald Trump is in the past of, like this guy who grew up as a child, if Donald Trump was his president, he is trying to advance the accelerationism well past Donald Trump. This guy is part of a new wave of terror, and that’s something that we have to get our brains around right now. This is not, this is not tied to one guy. This is tied to a much larger cell of people who think they’re loners, who are really acting in concert to express their disaffection with the world by murdering a bunch of people. We have to stop that. I don’t know how to stop that. The one thing that you can stop it at the very end is the gun parts. But we have to at least, you know, try to start to learn how people are getting to this point.
 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @10    one month ago

I blame trumpturd and the majority of his supporters/fans/enablers.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
10.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @10.1    one month ago

That's  a reflex act, one in which your impulse  operates in immediate response to a sensory stimulation without the interposition of consciousness. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @10.1    one month ago

I'm not sure it is as simple as blaming Trumpism.   This guy clearly loved gun violence, and fantasized about it, so I am more inclined to blame our gun love culture than politics. Although there is no evidence at all that he is a "liberal" and at least a smattering of evidence that he followed Trump. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.2    one month ago
Although there is no evidence at all that he is a "liberal" and at least a smattering of evidence that he followed Trump. 

True.
And there is also no evidence to suggest that Trump had anything to do with this, nor is there evidence to suggest that the political leanings of the shooter had any influence on his actions in committing murders.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.2    one month ago

I blame both . 

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
10.1.5  Revillug  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.2    one month ago
This guy clearly loved gun violence, and fantasized about it, so I am more inclined to blame our gun love culture than politics.

There are a predictable amount of psychopaths with violent tendencies in America or any other population. They may wrap themselves in an ideology or they may not. But whatever their backstory, here in America we make it easy for them to obtain weapons to act on their fantasies. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.2    one month ago

I think it was the love of gun violence and was disgusted with the people of Highland Park. They were just too happy and they didn't vote for his dad.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11  Texan1211    one month ago

What kind of very special idiots think that this can be blamed on Trump, or that being a Trump 'fan' somehow is responsible for the actions of this lunatic?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
11.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @11    one month ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
PhD Principal
12  Just Jim NC TttH    one month ago

Well the asswipe confessed and said he had a second attack planned in Wisconsin.

 
 

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